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Gulf: Mother of all Gushers COULD kill the Oceans

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Mother of all gushers could kill Earth's oceans

Imagine a pipe 5 feet wide spewing crude oil like a fire hose from what could be the planets' largest, high-pressure oil and gas reserve. With the best technology available to man, the Deepwater Horizon rig popped a hole into that reserve and was overwhelmed. If this isn't contained, it could poison all the oceans of the world.

"Well if you say the fire hose has a 70,000 psi pump on the other end yes! No comparison here. The volume out rises geometrically with pressure. Its a squares function. Two times the pressure is 4 times the push. The Alaska pipeline is 4 feet in diameter and pushes with a lot less pressure. This situation in the Gulf of Mexico is stunning dangerous." -- Paul Noel (May 2, 2010)

Last night we received the following text in an email, author not identified. I passed it by Paul Noel, who is an expert in the field. His response follows thereafter. In calculating the gallons required to kill the oceans, remember that oil goes to the surface, where life is concentrated.

The Oil Mess


The original estimate was about 5,000 gallons of oil a day spilling into the ocean. Now they're saying 200,000 gallons a day. That's over a million gallons of crude oil a week!

I'm engineer with 25 years of experience. I've worked on some big projects with big machines. Maybe that's why this mess is so clear to me.

First, the BP platform was drilling for what they call deep oil. They go out where the ocean is about 5,000 feet deep and drill another 30,000 feet into the crust of the earth. This it right on the edge of what human technology can do. Well, this time they hit a pocket of oil at such high pressure that it burst all of their safety valves all the way up to the drilling rig and then caused the rig to explode and sink. Take a moment to grasp the import of that. The pressure behind this oil is so high that it destroyed the maximum effort of human science to contain it.

When the rig sank it flipped over and landed on top of the drill hole some 5,000 feet under the ocean.

Now they've got a hole in the ocean floor, 5,000 feet down with a wrecked oil drilling rig sitting on top of is spewing 200,000 [gallons] of oil a day into the ocean. Take a moment and consider that, will you!

First they have to get the oil rig off the hole to get at it in order to try to cap it. Do you know the level of effort it will take to move that wrecked oil rig, sitting under 5,000 feet of water? That operation alone would take years and hundreds of millions to accomplish. Then, how do you cap that hole in the muddy ocean floor? There just is no way. No way.

The only piece of human technology that might address this is a nuclear bomb. I'm not kidding. If they put a nuke down there in the right spot it might seal up the hole. Nothing short of that will work. [See Paul Noel's ideas above.]

If we can't cap that hole that oil is going to destroy the oceans of the world. It only takes one quart of motor oil to make 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to wildlife. Are you starting to get the magnitude of this?

We're so used to our politicians creating false crises to forward their criminal agendas that we aren't recognizing that we're staring straight into possibly the greatest disaster mankind will ever see. Imagine what happens if that oil keeps flowing until it destroys all life in the oceans of this planet. Who knows how big of a reservoir of oil is down there.

Not to mention that the oceans are critical to maintaining the proper oxygen level in the atmosphere for human life.

We're humped. Unless God steps in and fixes this. No human can. You can be sure of that.

See also: Oil spill Much Much Worse than reported and Not Stopping Soon (Christian Science Monitor)

Response by Paul Noel
for Pure Energy Systems News

I really do think that the situation is getting further and further out of hand.

By yesterday morning, the nature of the crude had changed, indicating that the spill was collapsing the rock structures. How much I cannot say. If it is collapsing the rock structures, the least that can be said is that the rock is fragmenting and blowing up the tube with the oil. With that going on you have a high pressure abrasive sand blaster working on the kinks in the pipe eroding it causing the very real risk of increasing the leaks.

More than that is the very real risk of causing the casing to become unstable and literally blowing it up the well bringing the hole to totally open condition. Another risk arises because according to reports the crew was cementing the exterior of the casing when this happens. As a result, the well, if this was not properly completed, could begin to blow outside the casing. Another possible scenario is a sea floor collapse. If that happens Katie bar the door.

Possible Fix

I do not see any good possibilities from humans further fracturing the rock particularly at higher levels. That is the cap rock that is holding the deposit together.

I do see a possible use of explosives for favorable outcome. If a properly sized charge were applied in a shaped fashion around the drill pipe at some distance from it say 5 feet or so it is entirely possible that an explosive charge could pinch the pipe off similar to a hydraulic clamp. The resulting situation would vastly reduce the spill. Once you clamped off the pipe much more substantially say down to 1 foot or less opening the resulting pipe could be charge cut above the location and a tapered pipe fitted to it to collect any leaking oil. The end result would be to contain the spill and dramatically control any leaks because drill mud could then be entered into the pipe fitted to the exterior. In the end, the pipe could be controlled that way. The size of a charge to do this would be a few pounds not megatons.

A nuclear detonation carries the real risk of giving us the full doomsday scenario on this well. I just don't like doing that. There is no coming back from the brink when you do that one. If it works, which I see as unlikely, great. If it doesn't work, there is now a maybe a hole 1/4 mile across leaking oil. That looks worse than any possible outcomes otherwise.

Oil Deposit Capacity

The BP people are not talking, but this well is into a deposit that easily could top 500,000 barrels production per day for 10 or 15 years. Letting that all go in one blast seems more than foolish.

The deposit is one I have known about since 1988. The deposit is very big. The central pressure in the deposit is 165 to 170 thousand PSI. It contains so much hydrocarbon that you simply cannot imagine it. In published reports, BP estimated a blow out could reach near 200,000 Barrels per day (165,000) They may have estimated a flow rate on a 5 foot pipe. The deposit is well able to surpass this.

The oil industry has knowledge of the deposit more than they admit. The deposit is 100 miles off shore. They are drilling into the edge of the deposit to leak it down gently to be able to produce from the deposit. The deposit is so large that while I have never heard exact numbers it was described to me to be either the largest or the second largest oil deposit ever found. It is mostly a natural gas deposit. That is another reason not to blast too willy nilly there. The natural gas that could be released is really way beyond the oil in quantity. It is like 10,000 times the oil in the deposit.

It is this deposit that has me reminding people of what the Shell geologist told me about the deposit. This was the quote, "Energy shortage..., Hell! We are afraid of running out of air to burn." The deposit is very large. It covers an area off shore something like 25,000 square miles. Natural Gas and Oil is leaking out of the deposit as far inland as Central Alabama and way over into Florida and even over to Louisiana almost as far as Texas. This is a really massive deposit. Punching holes in the deposit is a really scary event as we are now seeing.

Rig and Pipe Info

The pipe is a fairly rigid pipe and sticks up out of the Blow out prevention device for some distance before it bends over and kinks off. The distance is not long but is enough to do what I suggested. Explosive forming of metals is a standard technology and under water it is easier. The charge focuses very predictably.

Imaging a long straw that is 1 mile long and has kinked over in several locations. This is about what you have. I have seen the submarine photos from early on. Just a really big straw. It has about a 1.5 or 2 foot diameter drill pipe in the center with about a 10 inch hole down the center. I am not exactly sure on the drill pipe size. The casing here is very thick steel. It has to handle massive pressures.

The rig is quite some distance away from the well. It may be a 1/4 mile or more away. It sort of bent over and then kinked the pipe as it went down.

I guess the size here sort of bends the imagination. This rig has a deck area of about 3 to 4 acres. It had a crew quarters on board that had about 120 people in it. (Imagine a big hotel here.) The hotel on the rig was about 4 stories high. You just cannot imagine until you see these rigs how big they are. If you want to see one go to Mobile Bay. Gulf High Island 2 and other rigs in the area can be seen clearly for 90 miles from Pensacola Florida. The towers go up 1100 feet. You can take the ferry right between two rigs if you go from Fort Morgan to Dauphin Island. There is no comparison to these rig anywhere in the world. They are the biggest ever built bar none.

Controls That Should Have Been In Place

By the way, I am not against drilling it, I am just against doing so without proper controls.

The rig that was drilling was not a US Flagged rig. That means US Inspectors were not allowed on board the rig to inspect it. As a matter of National Security under the GATT the USA has a right to demand US Only in various technology. The USA should never allow a foreign flag vessel to drill for oil in the US Economic Zone (200 mile limit).
Acoustic automated shut of devices should be required.
I think US Federal Inspectors should have to be resident on and inspecting rigs like this 24/7.
I think that the drilling should be required to do some smaller holes that deliberately miss the main deposit that test the structure before main drilling operations happen.
Careful procedures should be in place to set up wells before they hit the main deposit. The well casing should have to be inserted well before the drill hits the deposit and it should have to be cemented in at least 2 weeks prior to finishing the hole down to the oil or gas. This is to give the cement time to set. The casing should have ridging to make this cement have a tight wedged grip on the miles of rock around it. This is required because the lift pressure on a pipe in this case could easily reach 20 million pounds of lift. This is an insane amount of up pressure. Even at 70,000 psi it would lift about 140 million pounds. (almost 64,000 long tons!)

Haste from Economic Pressure

I suspect that the series of disasters we have seen in mines around the world and in the USA regards coal and oil are the product of pushing the crews and developments too fast due to the high economic pressures. This happened the last time (Sago and others) when the economic pressure started rising.

The economic pressures on the energy prices are stunning. Everyone is trying to keep their economy going. You can measure the economic output of a nation directly with the energy consumption day to day. The USA dropped its energy consumption in the current downturn (depression) by about 24%. It is now rising again. We are about 19% down and rising. The current situation is that the developments in oil/gas and coal are not keeping pace with what is going to be the demand shortly. They cannot even hope to meet the demand.

This is why I said that Alternative Energy is the only hope.

They can push the pedal to the metal (figuratively speaking) and there is not going to be a speed up much. Since human demand is going to force increases in supply towards 3 times the current level in less than 30 years, we are looking at a big hole with no hope of fixing it.

Air pollution world wide is reaching levels that are at the limits of the environment to take the demands. This increase in energy has to come from somewhere else.

Nuclear power doesn't have the potential. It turns out to run out of fuel in about 30 years. Worse yet solving the problem with nuclear doesn't do anything but boil away scarce fresh water supplies. All combustion does this. The only solutions are ones where the energy comes from somewhere else. Solar and Wind are good options. As you are also aware, the hard core alternatives are there in magnetic power etc. This has to come.

The alternatives to drilling US Waters for oil if we solve this with oil are to depend more and more on hostile powers for oil. Funding your enemies is insane. Drilling in US waters risks ever increasing threats of what we have going on right now.

The collapse of rock structures is even more scary. Mexico has one entire state that is being held up by nitrogen injection wells that would sink if that gas is released. This is not funny stuff. I know I get punched by the "know nothings" out there with political agenda, but I will risk it. If you will note the Oil and Gas people pretty much don't say anything against me. They know. I have been to some of their events and they actually like what I have to say. They cannot say it for fear of their jobs.

If one estimates the cost of a barrel of oil from the Middle East, the US Armed Forces cost added in would drive it to about $2000/barrel. If people paid this at the pump they would be demanding what I say with force so high you couldn't hear anything else. If you factor in the cost of spills and such domestic oil probably costs $500/barrel or more. This is just insane.

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Paul Noel, 52, works as Software Engineer (as Contractor) for the US Army at Redstone Arsenal, Alabama. He has a vast experience base including education across a wide area of technical skills and sciences. He supplies technical expertise in all areas required for new products development associated with the US Army office he works in. He supplies extensive expertise in understanding the Oil and Gas industry as well.

Born in Lynnwood Washington, he came to Huntsville Alabama, when his father moved to be part of NASA’s effort to put men on the moon. Neal Armstrong may have gotten the ride, but his father’s computers did the driving.

Paul is also a founding member of the New Energy Congress.

Previous Coverage

Oil > Ecological Impact >
Deepwater Horizon debacle pushes alt energy - In addition to devastating ecological despoiling, the oil slick could shut down Mississippi River transport, effecting nearly half of U.S. import/export commerce. The damage to the tourism industry in Alabama and Florida could top $25 Billion a year for several years. Faced with this disaster the Obama Administration has just stopped all off shore drilling. (PESN; May 1, 2010)
What They're Doing (Follow-up)

Picture becoming clearer on BP Deepwater Horizon incident - BP said on Sunday that the GSF Development Driller II will drill a second relief well on the Mississippi Canyon 252 block. GSF Development Driller III spudded the first relief well on May 2. Discoverer Enterprise, also on location will work on containment. Oil flows from the end of the riser, the end of the drill pipe and a crack in the riser. BP sheared off the drill pipe and will install a valve in the next one or two days. This will stop one of the three leaks. (Gerson Lehrman Group; May 3, 2010)
BP spuds relief well - BP said it spud the first of two planned relief wells to intervene in the Macondo exploration well that is leaking an estimated 5000 barrels per day into the US Gulf. The effort is expected to take at between two and three months, Suttles confirmed. (Upstream Online; May 3, 2010)
Additional Links

Deepwater Horizon.pdf - brief history and photos of fire.
[link to www.state.nj.us] - Motor Oil: "One part per million (1ppm) can make water unsafe to drink; 35 ppm can produce a visible oil slick that damages aquatic life, including fish and shellfish; and 50 ppm can foul a wastewater treatment plant."
Leaked report: Government fears Deepwater Horizon well could become unchecked gusher 30 Apr 2010 'The following is not public' document --A confidential government report on the unfolding spill disaster in the Gulf makes clear the Coast Guard now fears the well could become an unchecked gusher shooting millions of gallons of oil per day into the Gulf. "The following is not public," reads the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Emergency Response document dated April 28. "Two additional release points were found today in the tangled riser. If the riser pipe deteriorates further, the flow could become unchecked resulting in a release volume an order of magnitude higher than previously thought."
Oil > Ecological Impact / Dependence >
Productively directing our Deepwater Horizon anger - In response to the Gulf of Mexico predicament, Author Jeane Manning urges against depression, which is anger turned inward. Instead, she suggests that people direct their anger into propagating awareness of solutions to our addiction to oil, which have been available and suppressed for sometimes a century. The book she coauthored, Breakthrough Power, is a good tool. (JeaneManning; May 1, 2010)


View/post comments below or at our Examiner.com version of this story. Also at BeforeItsNews
Other forums that have picked up this story include:

no link.com/forum/thread567266/pg1
mountainsageblog.com/2010/05/03/mother-of-all-gushers/ - includes a time lapse animation of the oil spill spread so far.
Contain the Upsurge: Free Oil

On May 3, 2010; 9:45 am, Raphial Morgado phoned and said:

It's going to take a long time to cap this at the source. Don't worry about that now. We need to figure out a way to turn a bad thing into good by harvesting the crude oil on the surface where it bubbles up. We should focus all our efforts on containing it there. Don't think of it as a clean up effort, think of it as a collecting effort. Bring all the tankers needed to pump it up. We can't allow this oil to float out into the wider sea. Invite all willing parties to come and pump it up: "free oil".

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Scriptures of Interest

Revelation 8:9
A third of the living creatures in the sea died...

Ezekiel 32:14
Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord GOD.

Actina Rig Blowout

On May 2, 2010, DaddyBare wrote:

This isn't the first time we lost a rig working under those kids of pressures

Offshore blowout involving Actinia semi-submersible oil rig, off Vietnam in February 1993. Compilation of footage from various helicopters, planes...

(YouTube; August 09, 2007)

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See also

Directory:Ecological Impact of Oil - index at PESWiki.com
Directory:Abiotic Oil - index at PESWiki.com
Directory:Oil - index at PESWiki.com
Directory:Best_Exotic_Clean_Energy_Technologies - index at PESWiki.com
More Stories by Paul Nowl
PESN (Pure Energy Systems News) | contributors - Feature stories on cutting-edge, clean energy technology.
Free Energy News (.com) - Daily cutting-edge, clean energy technology news from around the world
PESWiki Latest - Newest feature pages in the publicly-editable energy directory.
Free Energy Now (.net) - 1-hour, in-depth, live interview, each Monday, 9:00 - 10:00 pm Arizona time (same as Mountain from Nov. 2 - March).
This Week in Free Energy™ - Ten-minute recap each Sunday, 7:50 - 8:00 pm Mountain.

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Last updated May 03, 2010


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According to my calculations using the numbers above and below we should have 474039 years at the current rate of out flow before all the ocian life gets destroyed

The United States Geologic Survey (USGS) estimates there to be 326,000,000 cubic miles of water on the planet. A cubic mile can hold a little more than 1.1 X 1012 gallons.

The USGS also estimates that 96.5% of that water is in the planets oceans.

X (1,100,000,000,000 gallons per cubic mile)
X (326,000,000 cubic miles)
= 346,049,000,000,000,000,000 gallons of ocean water.

The origional post quoted 200,000 gallons a day of oil spilling out, at 4 quarts per gallon (1 quart of oil makes deadly toxic 250,000 gallons of water for ocian life) thats
800,000 quarts of spill per day which would destroy 200,000,000,000 gallons of water per day.

Now if we take 346,049,000,000,000,000,000 gallons of clean ocean and divide by 200,000,000,000 gallons of water being destroyed by the oil each day day, thats 1,730,245,000 days of continuous flow before we all start to die (~roughly).

So that give us 4740397 years before this spill destrorys us. Or if we look at it another way we would have to blow up about 100,000 more of these oil wells to commit full thourough ocianicide in about 47-50 years. BUT!- this is all just rough caluclations and I'm sure it wont take that much oil to screw up our ecology and "circle of life" to the extent that it may endanger our own species' survival. I have no idea how much it would take to do that, but I'm sure its less than the numbers here.

Either way, I'd say even if we let this go and go and go, it will never kill the world just most of the western Atlantic.

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this is being removed from the front page:

just trying to get the word out to ya'll

something is fishy cause this just will not make it to the front page

"Re: WHOA!! BP - Footage of new plume from sea floor!!!!

why did the above thread disappear from the pinned threads on the front page?

and why is the following post by me not making it to the front page?????? i even created a new thread for it, "Gulf of Mexico Cameron Highway Disaster or Sabotage"


someone check this

am i in the right place on the cameron highway map?

figured it out

looks like the Marco Polo line cuts right through Mississippi Canyon Block 252

and some miles to the right there is another line

75 NW of the leak would be a BUNCH of pipelines


i think the pipeline is leaking

hope i am wrong

anyone want to look at the map

[link to www.cameronhighwayoil.com]


5-6 miles away to the right of the Marco Polo line is the Allegheny line

isn't there supposed to be a even bigger leak 5-6 miles away?

and 75 NW is where the Poseidon Line, the Allegheny Line and a bunch of other lines meet up


i think we are dealing with not just a rig blowing but failure of some pipelines

someone check this PLEASE

[link to www.cameronhighwayoil.com]

Poseidon, Allegheny, Front Runner, Constitution, Caesar Line all meet up around 75 NW of original leak

Allegheny is 5-6 miles away

crap, this MUST be a Cameron Highway Disaster
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 994598

Ok, I made a screenshot, marked the spots I am talking about in HOT PINK. here is the flickr link.

someone check it.
[link to www.flickr.com]"