IS BP HIDING THE AMOUNT OF OIL BEING SPILLED, WITH DISPERSANTS????? | |
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SHR![]() Forum Administrator 05/04/2010 11:38 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Come on guys no theories or opinions on this??? Quoting: SwampRatLost 960462For some reason I get the sinking feeling that a mix of chemicals AND oil will actually be worse than just oil..... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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SHR![]() Forum Administrator 05/04/2010 11:42 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, these types of dispersants will make it very hard to estimate the oil leaked because they droplets will be microemulsified into the ocean water. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 684320It sounds like disolving the toxic oil into the sea water instead of dealing with removing it is a much better idea...looks better I'm sure.... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 960833 ![]() 05/04/2010 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But its not better! And we know it! Watch in a week or sooner, when they run out of these chemicals. THAT SLICK WILL BALLOON! Sure it keeps the oil from reaching shore in a covering slick. But the oil is still reaching shore, IN THE WATER! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 960849 ![]() 05/04/2010 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Come on guys no theories or opinions on this??? Quoting: SwampRatLost 960462You are basically right. Dispersants are good for PR, not for the environment. The dispersants themselves are toxic, and as you say they just suspend the oil in the water. |
SwampRatLost(OP) User ID: 960833 ![]() 05/04/2010 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And if you notice, this tactic has worked out QUITE WELL for BP. There is even less coverage on the spill in the media, then their was before. And the coverage before, was a joke! This is why so many people responded that it looks like its getting smaller, to Trins three day slick forcast. ITS NOT, IT GROWS BY SO MUCH MORE THEN WE SEE, EVERYDAY! Im so frustrated :( |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 960833 ![]() 05/04/2010 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, obviously. Quoting: AndromedaSad but true. Then what do you do? So many people are believing this lie, and they are killing our Gulf. AHHHHH Nothing to see here folks! Catastrophy AVERTED! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! JOB WELL DONE BROWNIE! Man TPTB REALLY PISS ME OFF SOMETIMES! |
Andromeda User ID: 946938 ![]() 05/04/2010 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, obviously. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 960833Sad but true. Then what do you do? So many people are believing this lie, and they are killing our Gulf. AHHHHH Nothing to see here folks! Catastrophy AVERTED! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! JOB WELL DONE BROWNIE! Man TPTB REALLY PISS ME OFF SOMETIMES! There's nothing we can do this week, or this minute. They believe that using the chemical dispersants is helpful for some reason and people are buying it. I don't think they should use that stuff at all. It's poison, all they are doing is hiding the oil that they can dissolve into the sea water. They should have more ships at the surface vacuuming up the oil with high capacity pumps and a very focused boom containment system. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 960833 ![]() 05/04/2010 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | See! People actually believe this crap message that the MSM is spewing! Thread: the Oil Spill doom-mongers - not "the worst ever" |
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Prisoner of Technology User ID: 792783 ![]() 05/04/2010 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And the EPA allows this shit? ![]() No one has ever seen a perfect circle, nor a perfectly straight line, yet everyone knows what a circle and a straight line are. Perceived circles or lines are not exactly circular or straight, and true circles and lines could never be detected since by definition they are sets of infinitely small points. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 961071 ![]() 05/04/2010 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And the EPA allows this shit? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 952623![]() Fuck you hippie! If you care that much about the earth kill yourself now! So if your pissed that someone is killing your food supply, you are a hippie????? Dude you are a dumbass |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 952623 ![]() 05/04/2010 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And the EPA allows this shit? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961071![]() Fuck you hippie! If you care that much about the earth kill yourself now! So if your pissed that someone is killing your food supply, you are a hippie????? Dude you are a dumbass It was a joke. Guess not a very good one. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 961071 ![]() 05/04/2010 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And the EPA allows this shit? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 952623![]() Fuck you hippie! If you care that much about the earth kill yourself now! So if your pissed that someone is killing your food supply, you are a hippie????? Dude you are a dumbass It was a joke. Guess not a very good one. Im sorry, I am so frustrated right now with all of this stuff. Our local news here in SE Louisiana is barely covering the story. Literally 5 minutes a news cast. Im sorry :( |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 684320 ![]() 05/04/2010 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | once the oil is microemulsified into the sea water, emulsions don't break easy and the emulsions have an easier bio-uptake into plants and animals. trust me, microemulsified oil in water solutions are what the agricultural business does to INCREASE the BIOEFFICACY (in their case to kill a plant or pest) of the solution. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 512476 ![]() 05/04/2010 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BP Had Other Problems in Years Leading to Gulf Spill BP, the global oil giant responsible for the fast-spreading spill in the Gulf of Mexico that will soon make landfall, is no stranger to major accidents. In fact, the company has found itself at the center of several of the nation’s worst oil and gas–related disasters in the last five years. In March 2005, a massive explosion ripped through a tower at BP’s refinery in Texas City, Texas, killing 15 workers and injuring 170 others. Investigators later determined that the company had ignored its own protocols on operating the tower, which was filled with gasoline, and that a warning system had been disabled. The company pleaded guilty to federal felony charges and was fined more than $50 million by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Almost a year after the refinery explosion, technicians discovered that some 4,800 barrels of oil had spread into the Alaskan snow through a tiny hole in the company’s pipeline in Prudhoe Bay. BP had been warned [1] to check the pipeline in 2002, but hadn’t, according to a report in Fortune. When it did inspect it, four years later, it found that a six-mile length of pipeline was corroded. The company temporarily shut down its operations in Prudhoe Bay, causing one of the largest disruptions in U.S. oil supply in recent history. BP faced $12 million in fines for a misdemeanor violation of the federal Water Pollution Control Act. A congressional committee determined that BP had ignored opportunities to prevent the spill and that “draconian” cost-saving measures had led to shortcuts in its operation. Other problems followed. There were more spills in Alaska. And BP was charged with manipulating the market price of propane. In that case, it settled with the U.S. Department of Justice and agreed to pay more than $300 million in fines. ….., Families of workers who died in the accident have already filed lawsuits accusing BP of negligence. Congress, as well as the Minerals and Management Service, the federal agency that regulates drilling in the Gulf, were already separately investigating allegations that BP has failed to keep proper documents about how to perform an emergency shutdown [3] of the Atlantis, another Gulf oil platform and one of the largest in the world. There are also indications that BP and Transocean, the owner of the Deepwater Horizon rig that burned and sank, could have used backup safety gear [4] — a remote acoustic switch that would stanch the flow of oil from a leaking well 5,000 feet underwater — to prevent the massive spill now floating like a slow-motion train wreck toward the Mississippi and Louisiana coastline. The switch isn’t required under U.S. law, but is well-known in the industry and mandated in other parts of the world where BP operates. In the year before the accident, BP once again aggressively cut costs. A reorganization stripped 5,000 jobs from its payroll, saving BP more than $4 billion in operating costs, according to a report sent to ProPublica by Fadel Gheit, an investment analyst for Oppenheimer. On April 27, as the U.S. Coast Guard worked with BP engineers to guide remote control submarines nearly a mile underwater in a futile effort to close a shut-off valve, BP told investors that its quarterly earnings were up more than 100 percent over the last year, beating expectations by a large margin. After underperforming its competition throughout the last decade, Gheit wrote, BP was the only major oil company to perform better than the S&P 500 last year. BP's campaign to exploit protected areas While BP was been spending big on its "Beyond Petroleum" advertising campaign to position itself as an environmentally responsible company, it also publicly backed moves by the Bush government to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to oil drilling. BP, also continues to explore for oil in environmentally sensitive areas such as the Atlantic Frontier, the foothills of the Andes and Alaska. [31] It has also been attempting to woo environmental groups and the International Union for the Conservation of Nature into relaxing guidelines for the World's protected areas and World Heritage Area that sattes that mining and oil developments are incompatible in four of the five classes of protected areas. See BP's campaign to exploit protected areas case study. In 1996 BP was accused of human rights violations in Colombia. Its Casanare oil field has oil reserves valued at approximately $US 40 billion. The Colombian government has a poor human rights record, and both the police and army are held responsible for serious abuses of human rights including extrajudicial killings, forced disappearances, torture and beatings. [32] In January 2003, U.S. law courts ordered BP to allow federal inspectors unrestricted access to its Alaskan operations to verify compliance with environmental, health and safety laws. This was a modification of a five-year probation imposed on BP in 2000 after the company admitted it had illegally dumped hazardous waste from the Endicott Island oil field between 1993 and 1995. [33] blog.cleantechies.com/2010/04/30/bp-problems-before-oil-spill/ |
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Prisoner of Technology User ID: 792783 ![]() 05/04/2010 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The exact makeup of the dispersants is kept secret under competitive trade laws, but a worker safety sheet for one product, called Corexit, says it includes 2-butoxyethanol, a compound associated with headaches, vomiting and reproductive problems at high doses. Quoting: SwampRatLost 960462Wow, they don't even have to disclose what they are dumping in the water. This just gets better and better. No one has ever seen a perfect circle, nor a perfectly straight line, yet everyone knows what a circle and a straight line are. Perceived circles or lines are not exactly circular or straight, and true circles and lines could never be detected since by definition they are sets of infinitely small points. |
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