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What do you think about nanotech?

 
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damned
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I think EVERYBODY is already infected with it! :(
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A good thing in badminton rackets for one thing. Carbon nanotubes are nice.
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A good thing in badminton rackets for one thing. Carbon nanotubes are nice.
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I can't agree with you.
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A good thing in badminton rackets for one thing. Carbon nanotubes are nice.


I can't agree with you.
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Please elaborate. What I think you mean is that all that nano-talk is just marketing shit and that the fine properties of the rackets actually come from sound application of quite mundane and traditional stuff.
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damned
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I think , somebody should kill your dealer.
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A good thing in badminton rackets for one thing. Carbon nanotubes are nice.


I can't agree with you.


Please elaborate. What I think you mean is that all that nano-talk is just marketing shit and that the fine properties of the rackets actually come from sound application of quite mundane and traditional stuff.
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nano machines are still SF, but I think that people should unite forces to avoid situation ,that nazi can use nanorobots to opress mankind, change people like you or me into slaves
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Without nanotech, PCs would be too slow to watch Youtube hf
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Without nanotech, PCs would be too slow to watch Youtube hf
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I was rather thinking about nanorobots than PC.
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Mine iches.
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what about it
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Re: What do you think about nanotech?
It is being used to liquidate you.

Trust me. Most of these other pseudo conspiracies are nonsense.

This isn't.

The technology has been incorporated into the surface of nearly ever major product since as early as 1980.

Microwve satellites in geosynch orbit have exceptional targeting and can excite and cavitate for inhalation surfactant nanoparticles. these particulates enter either through the lungs or, most often, the sinuses and evter the capillaries in the brain.

After penetrating the circulatory system they have been designed to bond to specific sites in specific organs throughout the human body. Heart Attacks and cardiovascular disease are the most common cause of death after prolonged and sometimes short term exposure.

That depends upon your value as a target.

They have even been incorporated into the surfaces of military equipment. You can be sure that wouold prevent any "independent" action by military units.
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Nanomaterials are everywhere. Very cool stuff, with many applications. Now, automated nano-machines and assemblers are where it gets scary, but in the end it's just a powerful tool. Any tool can be used for good or evil or selfish purposes.
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Apparently it is a loose cannon let loose in agriculture and bio-systems as a whole as well as items we touch and consume daily mankind has just began to suffer the aftermath and side- effects of Monsanto and other so called know it all biologist , hopefully we will not suffer as much as the pollinators such as the honey Bees of our food crops and orchards but I think the nightmare has just begun considering the death of animals from organ failure that consume these modified grains that we also are eating in cornmeal and wheat and potatoes.
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You mean the sentient stuff floating out in the Oort cloud that is the remains of some ancient alien civilization that slowly spreads through the galaxy across interstellar space?

Oh wait that's from a book (Spin), nevermind!!
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Re: What do you think about nanotech?
OP, there's a now closed forum group called Noble Realms. If you google "Noble Realms forum," and then use the search function (which still works) entering "Nanotechnology" for the keyword search, and "Auendove" for author search, you'll find a four page thread with some blow-your-mind information about the future of nanotech. I'd link the page but I'm not sure if Noble Realms is on GLP's no-no list, and I don't want to get my IP address banned.

I started the thread, but the shining star on that thread was "czyx." Most of the thread is about an apx. 400 pg. document. It proposes ideation that is horrendous. Here's a link to the doc without searching the forum, in case you're unaware of the doc, but the posts by czyx are very, very commonsensical and insightful--


[link to www.wtec.org]


My opinion was and still is that as long as we have people like this mapping out our future utilizing nanotech then it's best the technology is not used/viable.

The few, as usual, will ruin what could possibly otherwise be used as a benefit.
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It's incredible what they're doing right?! And the field of science that it's opening is amazing.
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Re: What do you think about nanotech?
It is being used to liquidate you.

Trust me. Most of these other pseudo conspiracies are nonsense.

This isn't.

The technology has been incorporated into the surface of nearly ever major product since as early as 1980.

Microwve satellites in geosynch orbit have exceptional targeting and can excite and cavitate for inhalation surfactant nanoparticles. these particulates enter either through the lungs or, most often, the sinuses and evter the capillaries in the brain.

After penetrating the circulatory system they have been designed to bond to specific sites in specific organs throughout the human body. Heart Attacks and cardiovascular disease are the most common cause of death after prolonged and sometimes short term exposure.

That depends upon your value as a target.

They have even been incorporated into the surfaces of military equipment. You can be sure that wouold prevent any "independent" action by military units.
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and nanorobots?
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it came from Aliens of course just like all other tech after 1940
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Re: What do you think about nanotech?
Tech can be useless against supernatural forces, civilization which can replace tech by supernatural power has the highest grade of development.
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Re: What do you think about nanotech?
I don't think they exist, but claimed control over them and uses of them are pure science fiction.
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Correction,
I do think they exist, etc.
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Re: What do you think about nanotech?
Rhian, I edited your post to reflect your second post (don't to do)...but my post is not aimed at you in particular. It's for the benefit of anyone who reads this that thinks the same as you, or is otherwise simply uninformed about the subject matter.


I do think they exist, but claimed control over them and uses of them are pure science fiction.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org] --



"While international discussion of the converging technologies and NBIC concepts includes strong criticism of their transhumanist orientation and alleged science fictional character,[69][70][71] research on brain and body alteration technologies has accelerated under the sponsorship of the US Department of Defense, which is interested in the battlefield advantages they would provide to the "supersoldiers" of the United States and its allies.[72] There has already been a brain research program to "extend the ability to manage information" while military scientists are now looking at stretching the human capacity for combat to a maximum 168 hours without sleep.[73]"


So much for science fiction, and "too much" for science fact.

Now tell me, if the US DoD is accelerating their R&D on brain and body alteration for creating "super soldiers" (warring) purposes, does it not follow that the US's opposers would also be doing the same?

NBIC is not just a US effort. NBIC has representative scientists (and others) globally. Since we've done such a stellar job of playing nice in the "sandbox" that is our civilization up until now, we have no reason to believe that NBIC technologies aren't going to be used for less than the benefit of humanity...right?

rolleyes Yeah, right.

As for the use of them: not science fiction at all.

The Project on Emerging Nanotechnologies reports that there are 1,000+ manufacturer-identified nanotechnology-based consumer products - everything from electronics and cosmetics to automotive and medical products - currently on the market.

While not all of these 1000+ products are used with regularity apx. half of them are...as of 2007 that is--


[link to www.sciencedaily.com]


"Nanotechnology Now Used In Nearly 500 Everyday Products

ScienceDaily (May 23, 2007) — — The number of consumer products using nanotechnology has more than doubled, from 212 to 475, in the 14 months since the Project on Emerging Nanotechnologies launched the world’s first online inventory of manufacturer-identified nanotech goods in March 2006. Clothing and cosmetics top the inventory at 77 and 75 products, respectively. A list of nanotechnology products that also includes bedding, jewelry, sporting goods, nutritional and personal care items is available free at [link to www.nanotechproject.org] ."


On the same page--


"While polls show most Americans know little or nothing about nanotechnology, in 2005 nanotechnology was incorporated into more than $30 billion in manufactured goods. By 2014, Lux Research estimates $2.6 trillion in manufactured goods will incorporate nanotechnology—or about 15 percent of total global output.

“The use of nanotechnology in consumer products and industrial applications is growing rapidly, with the products listed in the inventory showing just the tip of the iceberg,” said Project on Emerging Nanotechnologies science advisor Andrew Maynard. “How consumers respond to these early products—in food, electronics, health care, clothing and cars—will be a litmus test for broader market acceptance of nanotechnologies in the future.” "


And what people don't know won't hurt them, right?

Wrong. Examination of just one product type, suntanning products, is but a bare glimpse into a harm that wasn't befounded through R&D before its application...application being a double entendre.


[link to www.news-medical.net]


"Potential toxicity of zinc nanoparticles in sunscreen products
8. April 2010 07:52


Scientists are reporting that particle size affects the toxicity of zinc oxide, a material widely used in sunscreens. Particles smaller than 100 nanometers are slightly more toxic to colon cells than conventional zinc oxide. Solid zinc oxide was more toxic than equivalent amounts of soluble zinc, and direct particle to cell contact was required to cause cell death. Their study is in ACS' Chemical Research in Toxicology, a monthly journal.

Philip Moos and colleagues note that there is ongoing concern about the potential toxicity of nanoparticles of various materials, which may have different physical and chemical properties than larger particles. Barely 1/50,000 the width of a human hair, nanoparticles are used in foods, cosmetics and other consumer products. Some sunscreens contain nanoparticles of zinc oxide. "Unintended exposure to nano-sized zinc oxide from children accidentally eating sunscreen products is a typical public concern, motivating the study of the effects of nanomaterials in the colon," the scientists note.

Their experiments with cell cultures of colon cells compared the effects of zinc oxide nanoparticles to zinc oxide sold as a conventional powder. They found that the nanoparticles were twice as toxic to the cells as the larger particles. Although the nominal particle size was 1,000 times larger, the conventional zinc oxide contained a wide range of particle sizes and included material small enough to be considered as nanoparticles. The concentration of nanoparticles that was toxic to the colon cells was equivalent to eating 2 grams of sunscreen - about 0.1 ounce. This study used isolated cells to study biochemical effects and did not consider the changes to particles during passage through the digestive tract. The scientists say that further research should be done to determine whether zinc nanoparticle toxicity occurs in laboratory animals and people.

Source: American Chemical Society"


Did you note the date of this article? One month ago. One month ago the American Chemical Society was calling for further research into zinc nanoparticle toxicity. This years and years after it being introduced into suntanning products (and others). It's this proverbial ass-backwards approach that has got us into trouble before regarding the release of consumer products that aren't FULLY investigated and all too late found to create definitive health risks.

And someone may retort the above by commenting, 'Yeah, but who eats suntan lotion?'

Don't forget, aside of the possibility of children accidentally drinking the stuff, you're rubbing that nanotechnologized suntan lotion all over your face. It's bound to get on your lips, and then in your mouth and swallowed. Your children's, too.

Not enought for you? Try this--

Read, if nothing else, just the abstract from the following research into TiO2 (this used in suntan products and others) and see that they've revealed that TiO2 induces DNA deletions in the form of, or indicative of, DNA double strand breaks. It's titled Titanium Dioxide Nanoparticles Induce DNA Damage and Genetic Instability In Vivo in Mice. released 11/2009. I can't copy and paste it, otherwise I would.


[link to www.aolcdn.com]


Pause for a moment to deeply think about DNA deletion and DNA double strand breaks and how NIBC R&D is transhumanistic in nature as outlined in the Convergent Technologies doc, they seeking to "build" a more efficient human being.

Too much silly NWO conspiracy mindedness many will claim, but as is so often found out: Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I DO NOT trust that the alturism they claim to embrace is the end all and be all of their efforts.

Now, what about our govt. and their ability to determine the risks involved. Read this article here--


[link to www.sciencedaily.com]


This from the above link sounds none to good to me--

"Currently, the federal nanotechnology risk research agenda is a bit like a ship without a captain, and it is unclear who has the responsibility to steer this ship in the right direction and make sure that it reaches its destination..."


--this all the while we have 1000+ consumer products on the market today.

Moving on to the FDA and nanotech products, taking note of what's said about cosmetics, cosmetics using the same nanoparticles as suntanning products--


[link to www.usatoday.com]


"U.S. regulatory agencies, including the EPA and Food and Drug Administration, say their regulatory options are adequate to cover nano-engineered materials, said Clayton Teague, director of the National Nanotechnology Coordination Office. Officials continue to evaluate the field as more studies are done, and updating the rules or adding ones now would be premature, he said.

"Until we have information that there are truly inadequacies in existing regulations, any additional regulations beyond what we already would have would be burdensome to industry and the advancement of the field," Teague said.

The sometimes unpredictable behavior of materials at the nanoscale does give some pause. Even seemingly subtle changes in the size of particles can precipitate wildly different changes in the basic properties of those materials, including their toxicity.

Laws like the Clean Water Act or Toxic Substances Control Act lack either the authority or resources — or both — to adequately address those sorts of peculiarities inherent to nanotechnology, Davies said.

Others, like the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, are probably adequate when it comes to governing the safety of nano materials in food and drugs, the report said. But that act falls flat when it comes to cosmetics, which remain essentially unregulated by the FDA, Davies and others said.

"It's a list of things they can't do because the list of things they can do is practically non-existent," Davies said.

Davies said he hopes the report will spark discussion, in part to help skirt the pitfalls that have befallen other emerging technologies."


Nanoparticles in cosmetics and suntanning products ARE NOT regulated by the FDA. As well, there is no legislation/requirements that demand products, any of them, be packaged with notification that nanoparticles are contained therein.

Given all of the above, wouldn't you like to know if what you're buying to apply to your body, to ingest in the form of food and supplements, the containers you're using to store items in, and for god's sake, the toys your children are playing with, contain nanoparticles?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Gotcha thinking, haven't I?

Then there's also what they're doing right under our noses while we're looking the other way business, too.

Supersoldiers...gaah

Not so much science fiction and sunshine blowin' up your skirt, is it?


With that, class dismissed. Make sure to do your homework. Sooner or later you're going to be tested. Most likely when and how you'll least expect it.
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bump for tiny things.
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Could be amazing if used for good, terrifying if used for evil.
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I think it could be programmed to change your brain to make you feel good and high all of the time, much better than euphoric drugs with no side effects, and no loss of effect due to tolerance, a high that lasts for ever and allows you to function better instead of worse





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