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Gas Leak 3000 Times Worse Than Oil
By innereye
5-18-10


There is 3000 times more natural gas coming out of the leak than oil. The damage of the massive amounts of Gas being released into the gulf is worse than the oil.
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Oxygen levels in some areas have dropped 30 percent, and should continue to drop, Joye said.
"It could take years, possibly decades, for the system to recover from an infusion of this quantity of oil and gas," Joye said. "We've never seen anything like this before. It's impossible to fathom the impact."



The Federal Minerals Management Service (MMS) contracted a study to see how badly a deep water drilling oil spill would deplete the gulf of oxygen. this study underestimated the current leak by a factor of 26. It was NOT peer reviewed and did not consider that the damage would occur at depth greater than 700 meters. In other words, the determination of the potential impact of deep water drilling on the ecosystem by the federal agency that regulates these activities was a TOTAL SHAM.

The Gulf oxygen depletion zone or "Dead Zone" has been documented by environmentalists over the last 20 years.



This satellite image from NOAA is from 2008. The dead zone typically grows in the summer.

Scientists in Pennsylvania report that boosting production of crops used to make biofuels could make a difficult task to shrink a vast, oxygen-depleted "dead zone" in the Gulf of Mexico more difficult. The zone, which reached the size of Massachusetts in 2008, forms in summer and threatens marine life and jobs in the region. Their study is scheduled for the Oct. 1 issue of ACS' semi-monthly journal Environmental Science & Technology.

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Now an immense amount of fossil-fuel gasses are being released into the ocean at the oil leak site.

How much gas is being released?


A BP executive stated that they were removing 3000:1 gas to oil at the well before the explosion. (thats 3000 cubic feet of gas for every barrel of oil) The amount of oil leaking into the gulf is 25,000 to 70,000 barrels.

a 3000:1 ratio would mean 75 - 210 million cubic feet of gas per day being released.
There is 5.64 cubic feet of gas per barrel.

That would mean there is 13.3 to 37.2 million "barrels" of gas being released each day.
(note: this is at standard atmospheric temp and pressure. At the ocean floor and 2,400 pounds per square inch, this gas is compressed by a factor of of over 1000 and will expand as it rises. So, in the video coming out of the pipe it looks like 75,000 to 210,000 barrels of gas per day.

you see, what happens when methane is released into the gulf? It goes into solution. There, in the deep ocean, it oxidizes, stripping the ocean of oxygen and forming carbon dioxide and water.

This report, contracted by MMS, and titled: "Deepwater Program: Understanding the Processes that Maintain the Oxygen Levels in the Deep Gulf of Mexico" was contracted to see what the effects of deepwater drilling would be on the oxygen content of the gulf.

They found that there are three regions of oxygen in the gulf, the oxygen- upper waters from 0-200 meters down, the oxygen minimum zone from 300-700 meters down, and the relatively dense, oxygen rich deep water brought by currents at a depth of 800-1500 meters.
it looks kind of like this, with the oxygen level going up again at deeper levels.

They found that the majority of dissolved oxygen in the deep water gulf is due to current inflow, which then circulates within the depths of the gulf, since the exit at the Florida keys is so shallow.

"For deeper waters, the major source is transport of relatively dense, oxygen-rich water masses through the Yucatan Channel into the Gulf interior"

The study goes on to say that,

The Gulf of Mexico Basin is in no danger of becoming anoxic due either to natural processes, oil and gas production, or other anthropogenic effects.

Decreased oxygen levels, however, could occur in localized areas.

In this they are talking about NORMAL oil production occurrences. they are also only looking at oxygen depletion caused by the long-term breakdown of oil.

Because discharges of oil or gas can consume oxygen during their degradation

Now, this is certainly going to occur, and for a long-long time, the oxygen rich waters flowing into the deep gulf will become depleted as the oil breaks down. That is on the long term. On the shorter term the real issue is the growing deep water dead zone of hydrocarbon-rich/oxygen-poor waters in the gulf at depths greater than 700 meters.
As this deep water dead zone moves into the loop current, it will recirculate in the gulf since the outflow of the gulf is at shallow depth. (from the study)

The Gulf of Mexico is a semi-enclosed sea with two ports. The
major inflow port is at the Yucatan Channel, which has a sill depth that is deep enough (~2,000 m) to allow the transport of relatively dense, oxygen-rich deep source waters from the Atlantic Ocean into the Gulf from the Caribbean Sea. The Loop Current brings these waters in. The major outflow port at the Florida Straits is shallow enough (~800m) that the deeper, oxygen rich waters can mix into the interior of the Gulf, rather than flowing directly out with the Loop Current.

So the Deep Water Dead Zone of the gulf will recirculate within the gulf of mexico, moving up the shore of Florida and back toward the coasts of Louisiana. It will spread through a majority of the area of the deep gulf.



This deep water oxygen depletion zone has the potential of killing most deep water sea life in the entire Gulf of Mexico.

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More on the MMS study

This study by MMS on the effect of oxygen depletion on the gulf of mexico is woefully inadequate. When they say that a "catastrophic oil spill" in the gulf would not lead to a "significant alteration of the oxygen supply", they underestimated the amount of hydrocarbons leaked into the gulf by a factor of 26. (see below)
In the event of analysis of the potential effect on the gulf oxygen contents they only look at the effects of oxygen depletion caused by oil decomposition.

They estimate that:

Catastrophic oil spills can introduce hydrocarbons at 2-3 times the rate of natural seeps, but such an input will not significantly alter the oxygen supply. There may be local effects from anthropogenic discharges, but the oxygen database is not adequate to assess them.

so, they say that the most catastrophic discharge will only be 2-3 times the natural seeps. Let's check that with reality. . .why don't we. . .
They say the natural seeps produce 140,000 +/- 60,000 Metric Tonnes of hydrocarbons per year. They say a "catastrophic" leak will produce 2-3 times that amount per year.


1 barrel of oil per day = 50 Tonnes of oil per year (approx)
current oil outflow is between 25,000 and 70,000 barrels per day
This equals 1.25 to 3.5 MILLION tonnes of oil per year.
at this rate, in the last 21 days between 71,918 and 201,370 metric tonnes of oil have ALREADY been released.

AND THAT IS JUST THE OIL
But what about the gases? the study says that the release above was hydrocarbons, not just oil.
from above:

That would mean there is 75 to 210 million cubic feet of gas being released each day

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there are 44,872 cubic feet of natural gas in one metric ton of gas.

that means 1,671 to 4,680 metric tons of gas released each day.

how does that compare with 140,000 +/- 60,000 metric tons of hydrocarbons per year???

609,900 to 1,710,000 metric tons of gas per year
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1,250,000 to 3,500,000 metric tons of oil per year

IT DOESN'T
woefully inadequate = the definition of < [link to www.mms.gov]

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additional comment on the study:
when they say:

Complete oxidation of the U.S. Gulf oil and gas reserves, which are on the order of 10 billion barrels, would consume <1% of the standing oxygen supply. </p>

They are talking about long-term oxygen depletion due to oxidation of hydrocarbons, not the effects of the immediate release. They are also including the oxygen located in the super oxygen-rich shallow waters found between 0-70 meters down. The decomposition of the oil will occur below the "oxygen minimum" barrier between the depths of 300-700 meters down. This will provide a buffer zone where depletion in the deep water will be isolated from the oxygen rich surface and will draw exclusively from the deep-water oxygen reserves.
note that they add the caveat:

There may be local effects from anthropogenic discharges, but the oxygen database is not adequate to assess them.

I really think that this is the most significant issue. The amount of natural gas being released is 3000 times more in mass than the oil. But people only talk about the oil!
Oxygen depletion in the deep water zones is significant because there is a buffer of low-oxygen between depths of 300 and 700 meters. All oxygen depletion that occurs due to the breakdown of hydrocarbons below this level will be isolated from the surface, leading to an even larger "dead zone" in the deep.

The MMS study is intentionally inadequate. It is not peer reviewed and does not address the stratification of oxygen levels in the deep gulf waters. This study was supposed to be looking at possible impacts of deep water drilling but underestimates the "worst case" scenario from what is currently happening in the gulf by a factor of 100,000.

The fact that the natural gas is coming out at a rate of 3000:1 has not been mentioned in the media. CNN is still reporting that 210,000 gallons (5,000 barrels per day) is the "general consensus" levels of oil. A total misrepresentation.
It is up to the government to force BP to do a proper estimation of gas and oil leak rates using accurate measurements.


update:
the calculation of this diary has been changed: a units conversion error needed to be fixed. Thanks for pointing this out. This is the calculation that has been addressed:

The amount of oil leaking into the gulf is 25,000 to 70,000 barrels.
a 3000:1 ratio would mean 75 - 210 million cubic feet of gas per day being released.
There is 5.64 cubic feet of gas per barrel.
That would mean there is 13.3 to 37.2 million "barrels" of gas being released each day.
There are 44,872 cubic feet of natural gas in one metric ton of gas (STP).
That means 1,671 to 4,680 metric tons of gas released each day
(75,000,000 divided by 44,872 = 1,671)
BRIEF AND TO THE POINT

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That's 4000 times worth of bullshit, so we gained like 1000... so everything is getting better...right?
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That's 4000 times worth of bullshit, so we gained like 1000... so everything is getting better...right?
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Thread: ***UPDATE*** OIL SPILL IS EQUAL PARTS METHANE AND OIL *** OIL SPILL METHANE WILL TURN THE OCEANS TO ACID and could make the ATMOSPHERE IGNITE???? DOO

thats what I be sayin
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As have I
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Oops link
Thread: Want to see what methane does???
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Don't worry, there is an upside to all that gas in the atmosphere... Thread: Oil spill is a last ditch effort to keep the coming Ice Age at bay
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'Summer of Hell' here we come. damned
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Don't worry, there is an upside to all that gas in the atmosphere... Thread: Oil spill is a last ditch effort to keep the coming Ice Age at bay
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Anyone feel like we are a
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My friend and I were talking about this. This underwater land mass should become completely unstable. Shouldn't all this gas and oil holding the surrounding underwater land mass cave in on itself?
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My friend and I were talking about this. This underwater land mass should become completely unstable. Shouldn't all this gas and oil holding the surrounding underwater land mass cave in on itself?
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Or blow out from the over pressure.
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From one of the links in that thread. That info was from 1992.

[link to marine.usgs.gov]

BP is actively looking for the stuff is our gov and other oil cos. They knew it was in MC Block 252. That is why they only went to 18,000 feet.

They have already helped in an experimental drilling in coordination with USGS in the waters off Alaska last year.

The industry loves the possibility of methane hydrate production. They are all salivating at the mouth.

They already know where most of those reserves are, already mapped them out. Quotes have already been made that there are enough gas hydrates to fuel the world.

Gas hydrates = biomass = alternatives to BP. They don't call themselves Beyond Petroleum for nothin'.

Folks are starting to see the tip of the iceberg with drilling for methane hydrates. BP is just a pimple on the butt of the Oiligarchy.
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Stop eating those damn beans then try some carrots
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Thread: ***UPDATE*** OIL SPILL IS EQUAL PARTS METHANE AND OIL *** OIL SPILL METHANE WILL TURN THE OCEANS TO ACID and could make the ATMOSPHERE IGNITE???? DOO

thats what I be sayin


As have I


From one of the links in that thread. That info was from 1992.

[link to marine.usgs.gov]

BP is actively looking for the stuff is our gov and other oil cos. They knew it was in MC Block 252. That is why they only went to 18,000 feet.

They have already helped in an experimental drilling in coordination with USGS in the waters off Alaska last year.

The industry loves the possibility of methane hydrate production. They are all salivating at the mouth.

They already know where most of those reserves are, already mapped them out. Quotes have already been made that there are enough gas hydrates to fuel the world.

Gas hydrates = biomass = alternatives to BP. They don't call themselves Beyond Petroleum for nothin'.

Folks are starting to see the tip of the iceberg with drilling for methane hydrates. BP is just a pimple on the butt of the Oiligarchy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 938245


Try this link. It brings us up to date for the quest for gas hydrates to just last year.

[link to www.usgs.gov]
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I wrote this poem as lyrics for a song about 1994-95 and i have zero prophetic power. The song was about a thermal electric generaton plan on a volcano on another world where prisoners were sent as laborers, but I like the way the lyrics fit exactly to what the extreme doomers are saying NOT THAT I BELIEVE ITS TRUE OR EVEN A POSABILITY but just in Sci-fantasy from 15 years ago being said now by extemists about a real situation

I like the way it fits the bill.


Subterranean Crematorium

Have you ever visions that evolving changes reasons
or strip away the ages just to dig the coming seasons
When stumbling through a daydream seems like falling through a doorways
inverted snapshots, negative apocalyptic glory
Say the words “I wish to go,” my riddles shift at will
duck the judges shotgun gavel, thief his cats-eye diamond drill
Descend below for a wild ride, its non-stop leeward rigging’s
projected slope of minds decline, and a pick-axe piece for digging
Monolithic wonders stacked, all overkill of vaulted stones
as serpent labor torture slaves are whipping mindless Vulcan drones
They take you out without a fight and throw you in still breathing
“Lashed and bound till skin and bones” said sorrows scathed and bleeding
“How can you have a hope to never, hold your breath for fucking ever?”
A billion tons of granite mass, pressed and tempered white
Super heated shadows forge, atomic birth of Earth and life
Go West along the center line, gone wild like the look of day
hear approach of evening lift, get pushed atop the waiting stage
Get in on, perceive the face, of a mad-dog mineshaft saboteur
his smitten suicidal slumps, a ritual mountain massacre
Decline the offered second death, fatedly a trap endeavor
“Smile like a corpse” the convict states, “You’ll hold your breath for fucking ever,”
Ford on a raging Earth-bed sled, where the wicked whirlpool slashes, thrashes
a blizzard hail of torment looms, your treacheries in fucking ashes
Chambers void of Oxygen, wrought stoney grave entombs these rooms
through open gates Platonic wide let noxious vapor screaming demons through
Down snakes, lava lakes, cables cut, poisons weaves, dripping sleeves, flesh to touch
Fissure cracks, stress fatigue, erupt the beast, chews the wind and spits the word “Cease,”
“If you insist, so hang the there, wish eternal. Its your subterranean crematory funeral,”
The Underworld is storm encircled, with Ferris molten towers
where lava life so endless churns, and scorching burns for hours and hours
Poison sucking spazums take, your melted lungs, your precious air
not content to quit this time, you’ll hold your breath forever.
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You, my friend, got in touch with the collective unconscious. Odd I started a narrative poem around the same time about unburying that which we already remember. I have no clue where the words came from.
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damn, if an asteroid hits that zone...
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Oh that's your post too! Sorry figured you were someone else since it was a different thread. :-)
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damn, if an asteroid hits that zone...
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It does not require an asteroid to ignite it, a lightning bolt will do the trick. I would not want to be within a hundred miles of the coastline when it happens.
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damn, if an asteroid hits that zone...


It does not require an asteroid to ignite it, a lightning bolt will do the trick. I would not want to be within a hundred miles of the coastline when it happens.
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Yep, lightning would do the trick...

Did Asteroid-Induced Firestorm Destroy the Dinosaurs?
By Michael Paine
Special to space.com
posted: 03:10 pm ET
18 November 1999

Dinosaurs may have met their demise in a global firestorm of methane gas triggered by an asteroid impact, a team of scientists reports in the latest issue of Geo-Marine Letters.

The methane gas was released from the Earth by the asteroid collision and ignited by lightning, says Naval Research Laboratory scientist Barton Hurdle.

Hurdle told space.com that he and several colleagues put forth the idea -- a fiery end to Earth's greatest land creatures -- before various teams of researchers in 1991 and 1992 theorized that a crater discovered in Mexico was the site of an asteroid impact responsible for the mass extinctions.

"It shook up the ocean, generated tsunamis that ruptured pockets of methane that were trapped under gas hydrates, and it also created slumping -- a sliding down of the ocean bottom -- that released (the methane) too," Hurdle said.

"This stuff came out, lightning set it afire, and it burned," Hurdle explained. "There were fantastic quantities of this stuff."

The theoretical fire would have burned near the ground and high into the atmosphere, Hurdle said, enveloping much of the planet as shock waves from the impact moved through the planet and dislodged methane around the globe.

"The atmosphere itself would have been on fire," Hurdle and his colleagues wrote in the paper.

The fire would have incinerated land creatures, he said, while decreasing oxygen supplies and increasing the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

"There was a lot of soot, and that soot has been found," Hurdle said.

The theory, also featured in this week's issue of New Scientist magazine, stems from the discovery of vast deposits of methane, a carbon-based molecule, under the sea floor that are locked in crystals of water ice, forming "methane hydrate."

Marine geologist Erwin Suess and co-workers from the Research Center for Marine Geosciences in Germany estimate the total amount of carbon locked in these deposits exceeds the amount in all of the known coal, oil and gas reservoirs. What is more, methane hydrate is very unstable and releases methane if the temperature or pressure rises slightly above that existing under the seafloor.

Interest, and skepticism

Brown University's Peter Schultz, who studies impact craters and the processes that create them, says Hurdle's idea definitely merits further study.

"The observation that there are these methane traps on the bottom of the ocean is pretty well established," Schultz told space.com. He said that while an ocean impact could certainly release this methane, he's not sure if the affect would be over a large enough area to release enough methane to cause the scenario Hurdle describes.

"My reservation is whether or not the shock wave could have released as much methane as they say," Schultz said.

And as planetary scientists John Lewis and Sidney van Den Bergh point out, there are several other dire consequences of the impact, (the site is known as the Chicxulub crater), that could explain the extinction of the dinosaurs. The methane hydrate proposal is seen by many researchers as credible, but may in fact have been a nail in the coffin rather than the exact cause.

Evidence and likelihoods

There is ample evidence of a global firestorm at the time of the Chicxulub impact. Iridium-bearing clay in the boundary layer between the Cretaceous Period (a time when dinosaurs roamed) and Tertiary Period (the subsequent geologic time frame when dinosaurs seem to have disappeared) contains soot.

The quantity and composition of the soot corresponds to the burning of at least 50 percent of the world's forests. Although Hurdle's idea that methane fires were responsible for this firestorm is plausible, there is another simpler explanation.

The Chicxulub impact would have launched millions of tons of rock into ballistic space flight. Over the following hour this debris would have re-entered the Earth's atmosphere at high speed, causing millions of brilliant "shooting stars." The radiant heat from these meteors alone would have been sufficient to ignite the trees around the world.

This idea is supported by the discovery of charcoal in tsunami deposits near the impact site. The best explanation may be that the trees were ignited by radiant heat, then swamped soon after by the waves.

The shock wave from the impact would indeed have triggered massive earthquakes in the region and indirectly triggered other earthquakes around the globe. A tsunami would have formed from the impact, which occurred in a shallow sea. The giant waves would also have been generated by the earthquakes and undersea landslides triggered by the shock wave.

"Megawaves emanating from an impact site would circuit the earth at high speeds and cause worldwide disruption in the entire ocean in a single day," Hurdle and his colleagues wrote.

Acid rain and a long, long winter

Researchers say the impact fireball and the forest fires would have created huge quantities of nitrogen oxides, which react with water vapor to form acid rain. By chance, the Chicxulub asteroid struck rocks with an unusually large proportion of calcium sulfate. This would have generated sulfur dioxide -- another source of acid rain. There are several signs of a massive dose of acid rain at the time, including sudden weathering of continental rocks.

The dust thrown up by the impact, the soot generated by the firestorms and the smog formed from the oxides of nitrogen and sulfur particles would have blocked sunlight for many months. The surface of the Earth would have plunged to freezing conditions -- typically 70 degrees Fahrenheit below normal -- and photosynthesis would not have been possible, even if plants had survived the fires and acid rain.

Global warming

After several months the dust would have settled and sunlight would have begun heating up the land. Now the greenhouse effect would have taken over due to the excess of carbon dioxide created by the fires and the melting of limestone rocks at the impact site.

Methane released from ocean sediments could have added to the greenhouse effect. It has been estimated that the surface temperatures on Earth were at least 10 degrees Fahrenheit above normal for hundreds of thousands of years after the impact.

So dinosaurs, if they were not consumed in a firestorm, would have had to live through a torturous sequence of events -- from the barbecue to the freezer, to a dip in acid and then a hothouse baking. Regardless of whether Hurdle's idea is correct, it agrees with mounting evidence that suggests how a massive asteroid impact at Chicxulub may have been the fatal blow to the dinosaurs, as well as 50 percent of all the Earth's species.





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