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There is 3000 times more natural gas coming out of the leak than oil. The damage of the massive amounts of Gas being released into the gulf is worse than the oil.

Oxygen levels in some areas have dropped 30 percent, and should continue to drop, Joye said.
"It could take years, possibly decades, for the system to recover from an infusion of this quantity of oil and gas," Joye said. "We've never seen anything like this before. It's impossible to fathom the impact."

The Federal Minerals Management Service (MMS) contracted a study to see how badly a deep water drilling oil spill would deplete the gulf of oxygen. this study underestimated the current leak by a factor of 26. It was NOT peer reviewed and did not consider that the damage would occur at depth greater than 700 meters. In other words, the determination of the potential impact of deep water drilling on the ecosystem by the federal agency that regulates these activities was a TOTAL SHAM.


[link to rense.com]

A BP executive stated that they were removing 3000:1 gas to oil at the well before the explosion. (thats 3000 cubic feet of gas for every barrel of oil) The amount of oil leaking into the gulf is 25,000 to 70,000 barrels.

A 3000:1 ratio would mean 75 - 210 million cubic feet of gas per day being released.
There is 5.64 cubic feet of gas per barrel.

That would mean there is 13.3 to 37.2 million "barrels" of gas being released each day.
(note: this is at standard atmospheric temp and pressure. At the ocean floor and 2,400 pounds per square inch, this gas is compressed by a factor of of over 1000 and will expand as it rises. So, in the video coming out of the pipe it looks like 75,000 to 210,000 barrels of gas per day.
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i hope this isnt true but if it is, holy fucking a
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Yep - we heard about this early on.
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Uh ....last I checked it was BRITISH petroleum home based out of London England. Not an american company although they did gobble up Arco and Amoco.
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This gets worse everyday we log on
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Uh ....last I checked it was BRITISH petroleum home based out of London England. Not an american company although they did gobble up Arco and Amoco.
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but eho permitted them to extract oil there?
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Why drilling was banned at the first place?
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There is 3000 times more natural gas coming out of the leak than oil. The damage of the massive amounts of Gas being released into the gulf is worse than the oil.

Oxygen levels in some areas have dropped 30 percent, and should continue to drop, Joye said.
"It could take years, possibly decades, for the system to recover from an infusion of this quantity of oil and gas," Joye said. "We've never seen anything like this before. It's impossible to fathom the impact."

The Federal Minerals Management Service (MMS) contracted a study to see how badly a deep water drilling oil spill would deplete the gulf of oxygen. this study underestimated the current leak by a factor of 26. It was NOT peer reviewed and did not consider that the damage would occur at depth greater than 700 meters. In other words, the determination of the potential impact of deep water drilling on the ecosystem by the federal agency that regulates these activities was a TOTAL SHAM.


[link to rense.com]

A BP executive stated that they were removing 3000:1 gas to oil at the well before the explosion. (thats 3000 cubic feet of gas for every barrel of oil) The amount of oil leaking into the gulf is 25,000 to 70,000 barrels.

A 3000:1 ratio would mean 75 - 210 million cubic feet of gas per day being released.
There is 5.64 cubic feet of gas per barrel.

That would mean there is 13.3 to 37.2 million "barrels" of gas being released each day.
(note: this is at standard atmospheric temp and pressure. At the ocean floor and 2,400 pounds per square inch, this gas is compressed by a factor of of over 1000 and will expand as it rises. So, in the video coming out of the pipe it looks like 75,000 to 210,000 barrels of gas per day.
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This number might be reasonable.

Let's say the number is 100 million cubic feet a day. Over a month, that's 3 billion cubic feet (3 BCF).

Total U.S. production is about 2 TCF (trillion) a month. So this would equal 0.15% (.0015) of total U.S. production (15/10,000ths).

That seems reasonable.

Is the gas really worse? Wouldn't it just bubble and escape into the atmosphere?
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so what the FUCK are they doing to stop this???? This is going to be the worst environmental disaster in the HISTORY OF HUMANKIND.

They could have nuked the well by now and it wouldn't have caused this kind of damage. Fucking obliterate the well idiots!
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will this gas eat the oxygen of the earth?
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No working link?
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Is the gas really worse? Wouldn't it just bubble and escape into the atmosphere?
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Gas mixes in with water under pressure, however methane is polar neutral, and water is polar, so methane cannot dissolve in water -- neither can oil. Methane weighs a lot less than water, so yes it will eventually rise to the surface. I would have to assume though that a school of fish swimming into methane infused water would more than likely die, just like they would die in oil.

[link to www.wiley.com]
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Makes one wonder if a nice sprite(Lightning that shoots upward instead of downward) ignite this gas and we may see the "Heavens Roll back like a scroll"...
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methane will ignite in the air at a 15% concentration; that's very high considering.

with respect to methane eating up the earths oxygen; it will eventually oxidize and produce C02 and water.

Methanes chemical make up is CH4

It's atmospheric half life is 7 years.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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[link to www.sciencedaily.com]
In an article published in the September issue of Geology, Gregory Ryskin, associate professor of chemical engineering, suggests that huge combustible clouds produced by methane gas trapped in stagnant bodies of water and suddenly released could have killed off the majority of marine life and land animals and plants at the end of the Permian era -- long before dinosaurs lived and died.

The mechanism also might explain other extinctions and climate perturbations (ice ages) and even the Biblical flood, as well as be the cause of future catastrophes.


Read entire article at the link.
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yes, i remember watching a show about that. The methane concentrations in the water grew, and killed off everything in the oceans, thus eliminating a huge amount of 02 that gets created by plankton, and microorganisims (they actually produce the majority of our planets 02). this created a mass extinction, and it wasn't until our planets chemical makeup balanced back out, that life progressed...
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hmmmm that sucks.


BTW - since Rense posted this article their site went down... coincidence????

and the story is now on CNN
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PIN THIS SHIT!
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Clathrate gun hypothesis
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The clathrate gun hypothesis is the popular name given to the hypothesis that rises in sea temperatures (and/or falls in sea level) can trigger the sudden release of methane from methane clathrate compounds buried in seabeds and permafrost which, because the methane itself is a powerful greenhouse gas, leads to further temperature rise and further methane clathrate destabilization in effect initiating a runaway process as irreversible, once started, as the firing of a gun.[1]

In its original form, the hypothesis proposed that the "clathrate gun" could cause abrupt runaway warming in a timescale less than a human lifetime,[1] and might be responsible for warming events in and at the end of the last ice age.[2] This is now thought unlikely.[3][4]

However there is stronger evidence that runaway methane clathrate breakdown may have caused drastic alteration of the ocean environment and the atmosphere of earth on a number of occasions in the past, over timescales of tens of thousands of years; most notably in connection with the Permian extinction event, when 96% of all marine species became extinct 251 million years ago.[5]

Contents [hide]
1 Mechanism
2 Possible release events
3 Related mechanism: dissolved methane release
4 Current outlook
5 Possible outcomes
6 In fiction
7 See also
8 References
9 External links
9.1 Historical events

[edit] Mechanism

Specific structure of a gas hydrate piece, from the subduction zone off Oregon
Gas hydrate-bearing sediment, from the subduction zone off OregonMethane clathrate, also known commonly (albeit incorrectly) as methane hydrate, is a form of water ice that contains a large amount of methane within its crystal structure.

Potentially large deposits of methane clathrate have been found under sediments on the ocean floors of the Earth, although there are many orders of magnitudes in between the estimates of various experts[6]. In fact, the existence of vast oceanic methane clathrate formation is uncertain and usually only based on reflective seismology and pieces larger than 10 cm have only been recovered from three sites[7].

The sudden release of large amounts of natural gas from methane clathrate deposits in runaway climate change could be a cause of past, future, and present climate changes. The release of this trapped methane is a potential major outcome of a rise in temperature; it is thought that this is a main factor in the global warming of 6°C that happened during the end-Permian extinction,[8] as methane is much more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide (despite its atmospheric lifetime of around 12 years, it has a global warming potential of 62 over 20 years and 23 over 100 years). The theory also predicts this will greatly affect available oxygen content of the atmosphere.
[edit] Possible release events

Two events possibly linked in this way are the Permian-Triassic extinction event and the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum. It may also have had a role in the sudden warm-up of "Snowball Earth", 630 million years ago.[9] However, warming at the end of the last ice age is thought not to be due to methane release.

[edit] Related mechanism: dissolved methane release
Focusing on the Permian-Triassic boundary, Gregory Ryskin [1] explores the possibility that mass extinction can be caused by an extremely fast, explosive release of dissolved methane (and other dissolved gases such as carbon dioxide and hydrogen sulfide) that accumulated in the oceanic water masses prone to stagnation and anoxia (e.g., in silled basins).

[edit] Current outlook
Main article: Arctic methane release
Most deposits of methane clathrate are in sediments too deep to respond rapidly, and modelling by Archer (2007) suggests the methane forcing should remain a minor component of the overall greenhouse effect.[10] Clathrate deposits destabilize from the deepest part of their stability zone, which is typically hundreds of metres below the seabed. A sustained increase in sea temperature will warm its way through the sediment eventually, and cause the deepest, most marginal clathrate to start to break down; but it will typically take of the order of a thousand years or more for the temperature signal to get through.[10]

One exception, however, may be in clathrates associated with the Arctic ocean, where clathrates can exist in shallower water stabilized by lower temperatures rather than higher pressures; these may potentially be marginally stable much closer to the surface of the sea-bed, stabilized by a frozen 'lid' of permafrost preventing methane escape. Recent research carried out in 2008 in the Siberian Arctic has shown millions of tons of methane being released, apparently through perforations in the seabed permafrost,[11] with concentrations in some regions reaching up to 100 times normal.[12][13] The excess methane has been detected in localized hotspots in the outfall of the Lena River and the border between the Laptev Sea and the East Siberian Sea. Some melting may be the result of geological heating, but more thawing is believed to be due to the greatly increased volumes of meltwater being discharged from the Siberian rivers flowing north.[14] Current methane release has previously been estimated at 0.5 Mt per year.[15] Shakhova et al. (2008) estimate that not less than 1,400 Gt of carbon is presently locked up as methane and methane hydrates under the Arctic submarine permafrost, and 5-10% of that area is subject to puncturing by open taliks. They conclude that "release of up to 50 Gt of predicted amount of hydrate storage [is] highly possible for abrupt release at any time". That would increase the methane content of the planet's atmosphere by a factor of twelve,[16][17] equivalent in greenhouse effect to a doubling in the current level of CO2.

In 2008 the United States Department of Energy National Laboratory system[18] and the United States Geological Survey's Climate Change Science Program both identified potential clathrate destabilization in the Arctic as one of four most serious scenarios for abrupt climate change, which have been singled out for priority research. The USCCSP released a report in late December 2008 estimating the gravity of this risk.[19]

[edit] Possible outcomes
According to Gregory Ryskin, a sudden release of methane from the ocean may lead to either global cooling or global warming. The explosions and burning of methane would produce lots of smoke and dust, which would lead to global cooling. The methane and carbon dioxide would "create the greenhouse effect, which may lead to global warming". Professor Ryskin writes that it is "difficult to predict" whether global cooling or warming would result.

The evolution of dust and smoke, if it caused global cooling, would likely only last a short time before the particulates washed out of the atmosphere. Then the raised levels of methane and the derivative carbon dioxide would take over. The likely result would be an alternating series of extra cold and extra warm years, arguably more devastating to crop production than a trend in one direction or the other.

It may be possible to explain past marine extinctions by the scrubbing effect. If an inert gas is bubbled through water, the surface of each bubble acts as a semi permeable membrane. Gases diffuse across this membrane according to their concentration inside and outside the bubble. The result of bubbling methane through the ocean is to deplete the oxygen dissolved in the water, leading to ocean anoxia.

The consequences of a methane-driven oceanic eruption for marine and terrestrial life are likely to be catastrophic. Figuratively speaking, the erupting region "boils over," ejecting a large amount of methane and other gases (e.g., CO2, H2S) into the atmosphere, and flooding large areas of land. Whereas pure methane is lighter than air, methane loaded with water droplets is much heavier, and thus spreads over the land, mixing with air in the process (and losing water as rain).

The air-methane mixture is explosive at methane concentrations between 5% and 15%; as such mixtures form in different locations near the ground and are ignited by lightning, explosions and conflagrations destroy most of the terrestrial life, and also produce great amounts of smoke and of carbon dioxide. Firestorms carry smoke and dust into the upper atmosphere, where they may remain for several years; the resulting darkness and global cooling may provide an additional kill mechanism. Conversely, carbon dioxide and the remaining methane create the greenhouse effect, which may lead to global warming. The outcome of the competition between the cooling and the warming tendencies is difficult to predict.[2]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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This is what the government is covering up and why so many crazy statements about how little time we had left to save the earth from global warming were made. It's not CO2 from cars we have to worry about, it's the methane and the chemical reactions in our atmosphere that create more Co2 and water and decrease our oxygen.


In 2008 the United States Department of Energy National Laboratory system[18] and the United States Geological Survey's Climate Change Science Program both identified potential clathrate destabilization in the Arctic as one of four most serious scenarios for abrupt climate change, which have been singled out for priority research. The USCCSP released a report in late December 2008 estimating the gravity of this risk.[19]
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Back in May 2009

Prince of Whales said we only had 97 months left in which to ensure that greenhouse gas emissions reach their absolute peak otherwise it may well be too late to stop temperatures rising beyond dangerous levels.

He knew then.
[link to www.princeofwales.gov.uk]
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This is an important thread.
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One more reason for people living near there need to evacuate,sooner the better.
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BP has a fleet of ships sitting right over the top of the well leaking this gas. Should Berry Sombrero send Axelprod out to see if they are all ghost ships now?
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Shut down all the wells. Stop all the lying and and all the secrets. Stop the greed. Stop the selfishness. Share what you have. Love thy neighbor. Be a good person. Give back to nature. Go slow, be patient.

This is the only way to heal the world.

This goes for everyone.
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liquid expansion rate formula: 1 gal. = 100 gallons per 1,000 foot of rise. You know the depth.

Now imagine the gas factor for expansion, and then compression and condensing at atmospheric pressure and rise.

Also,

The percipitation from these gas nodes and what they carry with them is another doom in itself !
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