All Rand Paul haters - come here to be politically annihilated

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no. all politicians are owned by moneyed interests.

tptb control all sides in any sanctioned debate.

you have been caught in their trap. learn from it.

It must be fairly miserable living through such a cynical reality tunnel.

No that isnt a business providing a service to the COMMUNITY


That is not discrimination. The person in the baggy pants and not speaking english did not represent themselves in a proper manner...Totally different..

Discrimination is not allowing blacks to work for your company, simply because they are black



You do have the right to refuse service, but not for color..

And if you actually think that you should be able to ban blacks from your restaurant, there is a word for you. That is racist, biggot, separatist..



Fact is you arent any more American than a black person..

You in fact are a immigrant...

SO blah, blah, blah with your commie Glenn Beck bullshit

Yes your right, we should have kept slaves and never let them move to the front of the bus...

I went to a Tea Party once. It looked like a Klan rally. All these white people with signs that made Obama look like some '' Jigaboo'' and the few black people that were there were skidish and in the way back away from the rest of it. It doesn't shock me at all Rand Paul said this. He may very well believe it, but this is dog whistle politics to his supporters who want to '' Take their country back''. On a ideological front, the people have spoken, the people want the fed govt to stop discrimination in workplaces or places of buisness. I hate Tea Partiers badly.

I don't know that I'm a Paul "hater" but I know I'm not as elated about this win as some feel I should be. I would like Mr. F to address my concerns:

To me, Rand Paul is nothing more than the son of Ron Paul. Ron Paul appeals to a certain (possibly correct) element of the populace, but has lacked support in Congress. I'm uncertain what good encouraging the whole Paul clan to go carpetbag other states would be. The establishment of another political dynasty doesn't excite me.

Perhaps you'll point to speeches, or words, or something that hasn't materialized. Or "libertarianism". Fine. I'm not much of a "platform" supporter. Pre-deciding every possible contingencies from first principles is the kind of crap that mires religions and governments. I won't say you should sail without a rudder, but there's no "magic bullet" to fixing law, policy and infrastructure.

So... in short, if I'm a "hater", it's because Paul is approximately an insider, carpetbagging an election in which I'm not voting, in support of a broad platform about which I have doubts. Really, it seems "more of the same" to me. I may be wrong. The mass media seems to hate him, but the enemy of your enemy isn't really your friend. Tell me more?

That is exactly the point. Racism is one of society's least tolerated "ism"s, so think through the effect, in a completely free society, of a bigot denying service to a black person.

Day One: Black person leaves angrily
Day Two: Article appears in local paper of town of bigot-run business
Day Three: Protests outside
Day Four: No more customers show up
Day Five: Bankruptcy

In a free and civil society, with some basic set of shared of values, you don't need government to enforce rules like this on businesses. Society naturally enforces them.

What government typically does, rather than allowing civil society to set up its own values, punishments, and rewards, is force a set of values down the throats of society.

Sir, you are a liar. I have been to several Tea Parties and have never seen anything like this. Care to share some photos of your run-ins with the Grand Wizards of the Tea Party?

This is completely retarded. If you allow people to freely discriminate in their buisness with only the market being the force to punish them you leave the door open for institutional racism to creep back to a region that it becomes such a problem that the Fed Govt has to come in and correct it again, like Rand Paul agreed with doing for that time. Freedom is great man, but there is many problems with allowing this, another is it's a social hazard.

Ha, this leads me to believe you've never been to a tea party. If you've never seen the signs making fun of Obama's black features then you've never been to one yourself. Signs with Obama and a bone thru his nose wearing tribal gear? Go back to your home country of Kenya crap? That doesn't make black people feel comfortable. Just a news flash man.

Look, I sympathize. I am on here defending Rand Paul, and I can't be certain he is going to prove to be worth defending. But here is what I like...

1. He shares his father's Austrian economics and suspicion of the Fed. I work in commodities trading and watch finance closely, and I am absolutely convinced that the Fed is a terrible institution that slowly and systematically steals the savings of prudent people to reward and protect the imprudent. There the number of people in Congress who actually understand economics can be counted on one hand, and it would be nice to have another sane voice.

2. I don't think he is really owned by anyone. The Republican party wanted Grayson and backed him hard. The Dems hate Paul's libertarian financial ideas. The Pubs hate his libertarian social ideas. I believe both parties view the Tea Party as an existential threat to their political theater, split-the-goodies status quo, and they will go whole hog to destroy his campaign. If they can wreck this first Tea Partier, it will do long-term damage to the political will of the Tea Party.

3. There is no doubt he is trading on his father's name to some extent, but to be fair, trying to enter national politics if you are not a multimillionaire is basically impossible in the current system, unless you have a name. And personally I think Ron Paul is a pretty good name.

4. Finally, what ever label you want to apply to his politics, he seems to be fundamentally focused on upholding the Constitution. As the Constitution is viewed as little more than an inconvenience by a majority of the existing Congress, I consider that a plus.

Hope the helps!

Do you understand what black people went through for nearly 200 years by our govt and society??

They deserve to have a law to protect them from the racism that our founding fathers instilled on our country..

We took them from their homes, put them on boats and sailed them to our country so they could do all of our work..We raped, tortured, killed and harassed blacks for hundreds of years..

This law put a stop to some of that..

It is sad to see we are fucking debating this in 2010...Very Sad


This is something to think about..Amazing powerful scene from A Time To Kill...Watch this and listen to what he says, close your eyes and imagine...Its time to end racism, separatism and realize we are all human beings..

Rand Paul is a Satanist, who wants no regulation for his big corporate thugs.

People who love him, are nothing less then Sheep.

Fair enough. I haven't seen that myself, but I have no doubt that many Birthers are in the Tea Party. I'm not one myself, but I actually don't see that issue as necessarily racist in any case.

And to be fair, when I went to Bush protests, there were some pretty vile signs at those affairs. Obviously, no one claimed those were racist, so perhaps the Obama-hating signs are just political like the Bush signs and not some sign of underlying bigotry.

Incidentally, there are no doubt bigots in the Tea Party, just like there are bigots in every walk of life. Since the Tea Party has a lot of anger at the current state of the government and most bigots have some irrational anger aimed at larger forces they see injuring them, I imagine bigots would be overrepresented at a Tea Party, but I still think the vast, vast majority of Tea Partiers are just normal, good-hearted people who are getting panicky at the government's endless expansion.

Hmmm who is the liar...

Tea Party = A bunch racists led by fake leaders...

reality ain't a tunnel. it's an anvil dropping on your head. you can look away and whistle dixie but you are still marked for death.

me, on the other hand, i know the anvil is dropping and i live my life to my liking. i ignore the controllers.

just like anyone on the political "left".

Exactly the point I have made all along...

The 2 parties are the same...

Corrupt politicians with lined pockets..

agreed. the system is a sham.

First, to be clear, I am not saying that Civil Rights laws should be undone and neither was Rand Paul. His point was that the Civil Rights Act was not a very well crafted law, and some parts of it are probably unconstitutional. There really is very little constitutional basis for the federal government getting involved heavily in private business. Maybe there should be, but that should be debated, and if decided, done with a Constitutional amendment like the one that emancipated slaves.

Incidentally, my story was just to illustrate that civil society will take care of most bad, non-criminal behavior (such as racism) by itself without the need for government. Government is there for the criminal stuff - such as any kind of physical attacks, racially based or not.

Great message here..

If 99.999999% of the population is against racial discrimination, why is the law necessary?

Surely they would not stay in business.

It is unfortunate you chose to do that.

It defends the rights of every man or woman, every color, every religion...

We should have the right as human being of planet earth to be treated civil and equal in every aspect of life..

This law ensures that the people of the United States are treated fairly and equally, no matter of race or creed..

I am not interested in Rand, or defending Rand, but one could simply reply, accurately, that it is a fake quote.

Forcing someone else to provide you with a good/service is a right?

That is false.

Secondly, it did not address the point I was making.

If 99.999999% of the public is against this activity, as you claim, then a law isn't necessary as any business placing "Whites Only" (or another race) on their window would quickly go out of business.

More or less. You like what he says. Fine. You seem a little jaded about how people break into politics. Fine. I'll call this a "wait and see" situation. I'm not angry about him, but not very excited either. Thanks?

I don't know, mate. That is a pretty manipulative video. I saw maybe 5 or 6 truly racist signs. You would have had a better argument if you claimed that, based on the signs, all Tea Partiers are clinically insane.

And that is out of thousands and thousands of signs at rallies. Find me a video with just one random sign after another from a Tea Party, and it would probably take ten minutes to find the first insane sign. That video is created to manipulate, not to present the truth.

As I've said, I've been to several Tea Parties, only on the East Coast, and they've generally been very friendly and well-behaved. Admittedly, mostly white, but definitely not exclusively so, and I have never once seen race brought up.

Rand Paul is not a racist perhaps you do not understand the Libertarian principles and a review of their platform might better temper your judgment.

Libertarian Platform
Link: [link to www.lp.org]

"We" meaning the white man...

This topic means a lot to me...

My great aunt, Madge Oberholtzer has been credited with taking down the Klan in the 20s and I am very against any form of racism or separatism. I will spend my life fighting people with racist views..

You want to see what racists do, even to their own white people...Read the story of Madge Oberholtzer...


The Downfall of the Klan in the 1920s
[link to www.latinamericanstudies.org]