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About us Freemasons...

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Free basing goat fucks sipping a lemonade stolen from street kids.

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BP oil blame. I wipes a sweaty palm across Clinton's shirt.



When one is a Mason, they can build a Glorious Temple from just sticks and a string. Look up the 47th problem of Euclid. To Square the Square, how is geometry bad?

Want to squat in the dirt under your pup tent?
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well i figure the masons must be on the right track if they are into geometry because i also research sacred geometry and have been trying to get into physical applications of it. but i'm just having difficulty in deciding if it would be a mistake to join the masons instead of pursuing a brotherhood of a higher order :)
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I squat in the dirt and play with my Euclids all the time.
When one is a Mason, they can build a Glorious Temple from just sticks and a string. Look up the 47th problem of Euclid. To Square the Square, how is geometry bad?

Want to squat in the dirt under your pup tent?
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Idol1

the "g" stands for god encompassed (by the two intersecting compasses, which also give a partial star of david/solomon depending on whether or not they are one on top of the other or intersecting each other

not geometry or goatfucking...sorry
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"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?
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"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?
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In the Initiations, the BIG GOAL is to connect with your Higher Self, thats the Best example of Godlike I can muster, and its just my opinion. But from where I come from. HIGHER SELF is the Key to ones Self Development and Evolution . Your Body is the Temple and your Mind becomes the Infinite square room of the Holy of Holies.
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"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?
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people will do acts of evil in the name of "god" and of "lucifer"

that does not mean they are endorsed by their god, I happen to think that if lucifer's real he would have nothing to do with most of the "satanists".
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"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?



In the Initiations, the BIG GOAL is to connect with your Higher Self, thats the Best example of Godlike I can muster, and its just my opinion. But from where I come from. HIGHER SELF is the Key to ones Self Development and Evolution . Your Body is the Temple and your Mind becomes the Infinite square room of the Holy of Holies.
 Quoting: THE PRODIGAL SON


sounds like the philosopher's stone lol. that's my understanding of the great work at least, to transmute your body into 'gold' (perfection) by proper alignment with cosmic energies.
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"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?


people will do acts of evil in the name of "god" and of "lucifer"

that does not mean they are endorsed by their god, I happen to think that if lucifer's real he would have nothing to do with most of the "satanists".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589279



To be a LUCIFER is to realize and shoot for the Stars, The POTENTIAL in man, not his debasement. I see Lucifer in technology, in striving to understand our place in the Universe, In scratching our head and wondering why we all FELL into this 3-D life of struggle rather then land in the Land of Oz and Yellow brick roads.

Lucifer is MANS POTENTIAL USING HIS OWN ABILITY, how much Lucifer needs his Father or the Divines help however, is something Lucifer must figure out.
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what are the pros and cons of each?
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This largely depends on what you are looking for. The Freemasons are a catchment to funnel the worthy to higher places. Most people remain on the lower rungs and do not advance very far. How far you advance is up to you and your personal ambition. At each level you have to prove that you can keep secrets, to become eligible for advancement. The real power of the world is at the higher levels. If you advance to the 33rd degree, princes, kings and presidents will perform the ritual of initiation into it. The Illuminati are all members of the council of the 33rd degree. Depending on your ability, drive and desire it can take as little as five years to reach the 33rd. Usually you have to have proved yourself as a "Worshipful Master", but it is not mandatory, because if a lodge is very large, you simply may not have had the opportunity to be elected to that office.
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what are the pros and cons of each?

This largely depends on what you are looking for. The Freemasons are a catchment to funnel the worthy to higher places. Most people remain on the lower rungs and do not advance very far. How far you advance is up to you and your personal ambition. At each level you have to prove that you can keep secrets, to become eligible for advancement. The real power of the world is at the higher levels. If you advance to the 33rd degree, princes, kings and presidents will perform the ritual of initiation into it. The Illuminati are all members of the council of the 33rd degree. Depending on your ability, drive and desire it can take as little as five years to reach the 33rd. Usually you have to have proved yourself as a "Worshipful Master", but it is not mandatory, because if a lodge is very large, you simply may not have had the opportunity to be elected to that office.
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It is NOT about wanting power. and its God that Initiates, Not Man. He should begin by looking at the back of a dollar bill and meditating on that. to discover the real meaning of why we are here and where we are going. You are writing from a researcher, not one who knows from experience.
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To be a LUCIFER is to realize and shoot for the Stars, The POTENTIAL in man, not his debasement. I see Lucifer in technology, in striving to understand our place in the Universe, In scratching our head and wondering why we all FELL into this 3-D life of struggle rather then land in the Land of Oz and Yellow brick roads.

Lucifer is MANS POTENTIAL USING HIS OWN ABILITY, how much Lucifer needs his Father or the Divines help however, is something Lucifer must figure out.
 Quoting: THE PRODIGAL SON


no, i meant the lucifer that wouldn't bow down to man, rebelled against heaven, and was transformed into satan and cast into the pit, sort of what the bible talks about, although ex-u s marine and freemason john robinson wrote that francis bacon and his cohort devere wrote that into the king james bible in his book about his pilgrimage into freemasonry

not a lucifer matchstick, like what your penis looks like at the bottom of your avatar...unless that is your thumb...
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"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?


people will do acts of evil in the name of "god" and of "lucifer"

that does not mean they are endorsed by their god, I happen to think that if lucifer's real he would have nothing to do with most of the "satanists".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589279

Lucifer is the embodiment bearer of light that guides the way of knowledge and advancement. Many wish to keep you in the darkness of ignorance and superstition. Lucifer as you say would reject Satanism. Satanism is merely a reaction to the broken promises of conventional religions. People who act in the name of Lucifer bring reason where there is confusion, knowledge where there is ignorance, help where there is want, light where there is darkness, peace where there is conflict.
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"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?



In the Initiations, the BIG GOAL is to connect with your Higher Self, thats the Best example of Godlike I can muster, and its just my opinion. But from where I come from. HIGHER SELF is the Key to ones Self Development and Evolution . Your Body is the Temple and your Mind becomes the Infinite square room of the Holy of Holies.


sounds like the philosopher's stone lol. that's my understanding of the great work at least, to transmute your body into 'gold' (perfection) by proper alignment with cosmic energies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589279



My friend, you are correct, Its from the Hermetic Axiom, As Above, So Below. Subscribe to HOROSCOPE magazine, Great fun, Its no where near the Hollywood one paragraph tidbit, It goes into the times and degrees. I can NEVER go thru a entire magazine in a month, Its like a college course, all the info. lol.. It advanced me greatly and has been a wonderful guide, One day you will also see the Bible written in the next layer, Its quite remarkle to see and understand.

Remember, part of Gold is to not be shocked if your dross rises up. We all need purification, You are the one to examine yourself and forgive.
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About us Freemasons...

Pro:
Free basing goat fucks sipping a lemonade stolen from street kids.

Con:
BP oil blame. I wipes a sweaty palm across Clinton's shirt.



When one is a Mason, they can build a Glorious Temple from just sticks and a string. Look up the 47th problem of Euclid. To Square the Square, how is geometry bad?

Want to squat in the dirt under your pup tent?


well i figure the masons must be on the right track if they are into geometry because i also research sacred geometry and have been trying to get into physical applications of it. but i'm just having difficulty in deciding if it would be a mistake to join the masons instead of pursuing a brotherhood of a higher order :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589279

Geometry is an easy to perceive principal upon which the universe is founded. The rules of Geometry are fixed. There is not trickery or misdirection in Geometry. Geometry is something upon which we can all agree, regardless of the superstitions and cultures that govern the rest of our lives.
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To be a LUCIFER is to realize and shoot for the Stars, The POTENTIAL in man, not his debasement. I see Lucifer in technology, in striving to understand our place in the Universe, In scratching our head and wondering why we all FELL into this 3-D life of struggle rather then land in the Land of Oz and Yellow brick roads.

Lucifer is MANS POTENTIAL USING HIS OWN ABILITY, how much Lucifer needs his Father or the Divines help however, is something Lucifer must figure out.
 Quoting: THE PRODIGAL SON

You have such a level of understanding, but do not serve yourself well in other things that you say.
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About us Freemasons...

Pro:
Free basing goat fucks sipping a lemonade stolen from street kids.

Con:
BP oil blame. I wipes a sweaty palm across Clinton's shirt.



When one is a Mason, they can build a Glorious Temple from just sticks and a string. Look up the 47th problem of Euclid. To Square the Square, how is geometry bad?

Want to squat in the dirt under your pup tent?


well i figure the masons must be on the right track if they are into geometry because i also research sacred geometry and have been trying to get into physical applications of it. but i'm just having difficulty in deciding if it would be a mistake to join the masons instead of pursuing a brotherhood of a higher order :)

Geometry is an easy to perceive principal upon which the universe is founded. The rules of Geometry are fixed. There is not trickery or misdirection in Geometry. Geometry is something upon which we can all agree, regardless of the superstitions and cultures that govern the rest of our lives.
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I disagree. it all comes down to individual perception. how can you truly know anyone else is perceiving the universe and its geometry in the same way that you are? I don't think there are any rules, only limitations on creation from the source of all geometry imposed by small human minds.
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what are the pros and cons of each?

This largely depends on what you are looking for. The Freemasons are a catchment to funnel the worthy to higher places. Most people remain on the lower rungs and do not advance very far. How far you advance is up to you and your personal ambition. At each level you have to prove that you can keep secrets, to become eligible for advancement. The real power of the world is at the higher levels. If you advance to the 33rd degree, princes, kings and presidents will perform the ritual of initiation into it. The Illuminati are all members of the council of the 33rd degree. Depending on your ability, drive and desire it can take as little as five years to reach the 33rd. Usually you have to have proved yourself as a "Worshipful Master", but it is not mandatory, because if a lodge is very large, you simply may not have had the opportunity to be elected to that office.

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It is NOT about wanting power. and its God that Initiates, Not Man. He should begin by looking at the back of a dollar bill and meditating on that. to discover the real meaning of why we are here and where we are going. You are writing from a researcher, not one who knows from experience.
 Quoting: THE PRODIGAL SON

No I am not writing from a researcher. I wear the 47th proposition of Euclid with pride. I said nothing of "wanting power".
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To be a LUCIFER is to realize and shoot for the Stars, The POTENTIAL in man, not his debasement. I see Lucifer in technology, in striving to understand our place in the Universe, In scratching our head and wondering why we all FELL into this 3-D life of struggle rather then land in the Land of Oz and Yellow brick roads.

Lucifer is MANS POTENTIAL USING HIS OWN ABILITY, how much Lucifer needs his Father or the Divines help however, is something Lucifer must figure out.


no, i meant the lucifer that wouldn't bow down to man, rebelled against heaven, and was transformed into satan and cast into the pit, sort of what the bible talks about, although ex-u s marine and freemason john robinson wrote that francis bacon and his cohort devere wrote that into the king james bible in his book about his pilgrimage into freemasonry

not a lucifer matchstick, like what your penis looks like at the bottom of your avatar...unless that is your thumb...
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LOL, my pic is making a point ! But nevermind, lol. We have to realize why we dominate over women and over expose them all the time. Lucifer was a Rebel, I guess it means he had questions, and that enters in the Tree of Knowledge
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what are the pros and cons of each?

This largely depends on what you are looking for. The Freemasons are a catchment to funnel the worthy to higher places. Most people remain on the lower rungs and do not advance very far. How far you advance is up to you and your personal ambition. At each level you have to prove that you can keep secrets, to become eligible for advancement. The real power of the world is at the higher levels. If you advance to the 33rd degree, princes, kings and presidents will perform the ritual of initiation into it. The Illuminati are all members of the council of the 33rd degree. Depending on your ability, drive and desire it can take as little as five years to reach the 33rd. Usually you have to have proved yourself as a "Worshipful Master", but it is not mandatory, because if a lodge is very large, you simply may not have had the opportunity to be elected to that office.

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It is NOT about wanting power. and its God that Initiates, Not Man. He should begin by looking at the back of a dollar bill and meditating on that. to discover the real meaning of why we are here and where we are going. You are writing from a researcher, not one who knows from experience.

No I am not writing from a researcher. I wear the 47th proposition of Euclid with pride. I said nothing of "wanting power".
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Im sorry, I just wanted to be sure ones had to know of the right intentions. One of Art and Knowledge and to be a better man in the Craft.
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the last time i ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge I may have taken too many bites :)

I remind myself of Icarus

flying too high to touch the sun, it's a hard fall down back to the ground.
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To be a LUCIFER is to realize and shoot for the Stars, The POTENTIAL in man, not his debasement. I see Lucifer in technology, in striving to understand our place in the Universe, In scratching our head and wondering why we all FELL into this 3-D life of struggle rather then land in the Land of Oz and Yellow brick roads.

Lucifer is MANS POTENTIAL USING HIS OWN ABILITY, how much Lucifer needs his Father or the Divines help however, is something Lucifer must figure out.

You have such a level of understanding, but do not serve yourself well in other things that you say.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 986204



Im working on that, Something snapped in me days ago. Ive never explored a site this large before. I had a anger I had to root out the source. Now Im zeroing in. I have to figure out why Ive held it in and why Im angry, Totaly felt like my life is a ouroboros. LOL. Ive come back circle to the same man inside of me Ive denied existed
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Geometry is an easy to perceive principal upon which the universe is founded. The rules of Geometry are fixed. There is not trickery or misdirection in Geometry. Geometry is something upon which we can all agree, regardless of the superstitions and cultures that govern the rest of our lives.

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I disagree. it all comes down to individual perception. how can you truly know anyone else is perceiving the universe and its geometry in the same way that you are? I don't think there are any rules, only limitations on creation from the source of all geometry imposed by small human minds.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589279

If you take the position of a solipsist there can be no possibility of communications with another. If I place a 24 inch rule in your hand and you are unable to perceive it as a 24 inch rule then I cannot communicate with you at all. I agree that the human mind is very small and very limited in its ability to perceive the grand scheme of things, but even from our small vantage point we can see that things proceed according to rules. Gravitation operates according to a constant. We do not know what gravitation is, but it is the same for two observers standing next to each other discussing it. An angle of 90 degrees is a quarter of a circle, no matter where we stand within that part of the universe open to our perceptions. The rules that govern the operation of the universe are surprisingly few, given its vast scale, and they are the bounds within which our imaginations must work to create. What limits creativity is thinking that all the rules are known.
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To be a LUCIFER is to realize and shoot for the Stars, The POTENTIAL in man, not his debasement. I see Lucifer in technology, in striving to understand our place in the Universe, In scratching our head and wondering why we all FELL into this 3-D life of struggle rather then land in the Land of Oz and Yellow brick roads.

Lucifer is MANS POTENTIAL USING HIS OWN ABILITY, how much Lucifer needs his Father or the Divines help however, is something Lucifer must figure out.

You have such a level of understanding, but do not serve yourself well in other things that you say.
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"such a level"...another masonic catchphrase?

yes, current technology is satanic, like nuke bombblasts, one after the other, into the upper atmosphere so that we are all tainted with radioactive isotopes in our bloodstream, for the military to toy with

proof that the military is a bunch of possessed freemasons at the top levels...nobody in their right mind would set off nuke after nuke, and even try to blast away the van allen belts, unless they were trying to get back to where ever in hell the insane demonic shitforbrains think is in the direction of "heaven"
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the last time i ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge I may have taken too many bites :)

I remind myself of Icarus

flying too high to touch the sun, it's a hard fall down back to the ground.
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Ouch, you betcha. But never give up on the Sun. Another Son or Sun God will find a better way to reach it, Think Chariot. tounge
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Op, joining any secret society is a very serious matter.

Initiations (Real initiation BTW none of that astral stuff) have powerful, long lasting affects on your life and very being.

You must want it bad and be ready for it. Be careful, be wise.

As someone else mentioned, The Golden Dawn is accessible if your ready but it's the work of a lifetime. Chic and Tabby Cicero head up the real thing. Be wary of others though I know some others are doing good work.

It's hard work and much study but it's awesome.

Take it slow, research a lot of groups, GD, OTO, SRIA, MOUP,
So many...

I would just recommend picking up a copy of the original "Golden Dawn" by Regardie and see how it feels. I also recommend introducing yourself to Qabalah, try Ducettes "The Chicken Qabalah" for starters.

After you dig into those books, you can decide if your into a true spiritual order or something more along the ligns of Masonry (red or blue) or even a Moose lodge, lol.

Take your time and

Best Wishes,

Frater

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the last time i ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge I may have taken too many bites :)

I remind myself of Icarus

flying too high to touch the sun, it's a hard fall down back to the ground.



Ouch, you betcha. But never give up on the Sun. Another Son or Sun God will find a better way to reach it, Think Chariot. tounge
 Quoting: THE PRODIGAL SON



I correct myself, WINGS stil count. lol

the Son of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings" (Malachi)

I like the image of the Egyptian Winged Sun Disk.
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the last time i ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge I may have taken too many bites :)

I remind myself of Icarus

flying too high to touch the sun, it's a hard fall down back to the ground.
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The moment that we as a species ate from that tree, we started to change the world around us, without forethought for the consequences of those changes. We cannot go back and expel the "toxins" that fruit has infected us with, despite the attempts of organized religions to make us less than we have the potential to be, so we must go forward cautiously, knowing that each change we bring about has potentially unknown consequences. You need to rest a while between each bite.
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Op, joining any secret society is a very serious matter.

Initiations (Real initiation BTW none of that astral stuff) have powerful, long lasting affects on your life and very being.

You must want it bad and be ready for it. Be careful, be wise.

As someone else mentioned, The Golden Dawn is accessible if your ready but it's the work of a lifetime. Chic and Tabby Cicero head up the real thing. Be wary of others though I know some others are doing good work.

It's hard work and much study but it's awesome.

Take it slow, research a lot of groups, GD, OTO, SRIA, MOUP,
So many...

I would just recommend picking up a copy of the original "Golden Dawn" by Regardie and see how it feels. I also recommend introducing yourself to Qabalah, try Ducettes "The Chicken Qabalah" for starters.

After you dig into those books, you can decide if your into a true spiritual order or something more along the ligns of Masonry (red or blue) or even a Moose lodge, lol.

Take your time and

Best Wishes,

Frater
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Frater, May I chime in? My Astral came from explicit exact guidance and instructions thousands of years held in tradition, The opinion of it as effective or not is debatable, I stand by it. As to other rituals. Yes, that has to be done physical. But Im not going to put all out here of course.

-Prodigal
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Geometry is an easy to perceive principal upon which the universe is founded. The rules of Geometry are fixed. There is not trickery or misdirection in Geometry. Geometry is something upon which we can all agree, regardless of the superstitions and cultures that govern the rest of our lives.

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I disagree. it all comes down to individual perception. how can you truly know anyone else is perceiving the universe and its geometry in the same way that you are? I don't think there are any rules, only limitations on creation from the source of all geometry imposed by small human minds.

If you take the position of a solipsist there can be no possibility of communications with another. If I place a 24 inch rule in your hand and you are unable to perceive it as a 24 inch rule then I cannot communicate with you at all. I agree that the human mind is very small and very limited in its ability to perceive the grand scheme of things, but even from our small vantage point we can see that things proceed according to rules. Gravitation operates according to a constant. We do not know what gravitation is, but it is the same for two observers standing next to each other discussing it. An angle of 90 degrees is a quarter of a circle, no matter where we stand within that part of the universe open to our perceptions. The rules that govern the operation of the universe are surprisingly few, given its vast scale, and they are the bounds within which our imaginations must work to create. What limits creativity is thinking that all the rules are known.
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yes I see your point. I'm not ready to resign to solipsisticism yet :) but I do think there is only one law in our universe and all of the scientific rules and theories are only describing smaller aspects of the one law that our whole reality is based on. I can't prove that assertion but it's what I believe at present time. I also think our world is a shared holographic reality that we are all consciously and un-consciously co-creating. Not in a figurative sense either I think consciousness is the fundamental particle of which all reality is made up from. I can't support this with empirical evidence but from my experiences it is the only conclusion I could come up with that seems to fit the data.

This leads into how I've been trying to raise my consciousness so I can attain greater control over the creative power I believe I have, that everyone has. In my opinion that's why the whole media industry is so heavily controlled (to the extent it can be of course) because it puts thoughtforms into the minds of those who buy into the reality they want to create. and because of mass consumption and the fact that we are all co-creators if they have a critical mass of souls creating what they want it will come into being.
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Re: should i join freemasons, rosicrucians or pilgrim society?
Frater, May I chime in? My Astral came from explicit exact guidance and instructions thousands of years held in tradition, The opinion of it as effective or not is debatable, I stand by it. As to other rituals. Yes, that has to be done physical. But Im not going to put all out here of course.

-Prodigal

Hi Prodigal Son,

I know, know it can be effective but their has been many supposedly doing this that were Charlatans.

I think you would agree, initiation conducted here in Malkuth is preferred and so that's the only way we do it.

A pleasure meeting you here BTW, I hope we get to interact more.

Love you signature.

Pax et LVX,

Frater
LVX!