should i join freemasons, rosicrucians or pilgrim society?

About us Freemasons...

Pro:
Free basing goat fucks sipping a lemonade stolen from street kids.

Con:
BP oil blame. I wipes a sweaty palm across Clinton's shirt.



When one is a Mason, they can build a Glorious Temple from just sticks and a string. Look up the 47th problem of Euclid. To Square the Square, how is geometry bad?

Want to squat in the dirt under your pup tent?

When one is a Mason, they can build a Glorious Temple from just sticks and a string. Look up the 47th problem of Euclid. To Square the Square, how is geometry bad?

Want to squat in the dirt under your pup tent?

"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?

"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?

"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?



In the Initiations, the BIG GOAL is to connect with your Higher Self, thats the Best example of Godlike I can muster, and its just my opinion. But from where I come from. HIGHER SELF is the Key to ones Self Development and Evolution . Your Body is the Temple and your Mind becomes the Infinite square room of the Holy of Holies.

"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?


people will do acts of evil in the name of "god" and of "lucifer"

that does not mean they are endorsed by their god, I happen to think that if lucifer's real he would have nothing to do with most of the "satanists".

what are the pros and cons of each?

what are the pros and cons of each?

This largely depends on what you are looking for. The Freemasons are a catchment to funnel the worthy to higher places. Most people remain on the lower rungs and do not advance very far. How far you advance is up to you and your personal ambition. At each level you have to prove that you can keep secrets, to become eligible for advancement. The real power of the world is at the higher levels. If you advance to the 33rd degree, princes, kings and presidents will perform the ritual of initiation into it. The Illuminati are all members of the council of the 33rd degree. Depending on your ability, drive and desire it can take as little as five years to reach the 33rd. Usually you have to have proved yourself as a "Worshipful Master", but it is not mandatory, because if a lodge is very large, you simply may not have had the opportunity to be elected to that office.

To be a LUCIFER is to realize and shoot for the Stars, The POTENTIAL in man, not his debasement. I see Lucifer in technology, in striving to understand our place in the Universe, In scratching our head and wondering why we all FELL into this 3-D life of struggle rather then land in the Land of Oz and Yellow brick roads.

Lucifer is MANS POTENTIAL USING HIS OWN ABILITY, how much Lucifer needs his Father or the Divines help however, is something Lucifer must figure out.

"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?


people will do acts of evil in the name of "god" and of "lucifer"

that does not mean they are endorsed by their god, I happen to think that if lucifer's real he would have nothing to do with most of the "satanists".

"godlike production" sounds about as masonic a concept as possible...wonder which god is being invoked here, anybody know?

albert pike, who was the preeminent mason of his time, and ours, had it that lucifer was pre-fall and satan was post-fall, is it one of them?



In the Initiations, the BIG GOAL is to connect with your Higher Self, thats the Best example of Godlike I can muster, and its just my opinion. But from where I come from. HIGHER SELF is the Key to ones Self Development and Evolution . Your Body is the Temple and your Mind becomes the Infinite square room of the Holy of Holies.


sounds like the philosopher's stone lol. that's my understanding of the great work at least, to transmute your body into 'gold' (perfection) by proper alignment with cosmic energies.

About us Freemasons...

Pro:
Free basing goat fucks sipping a lemonade stolen from street kids.

Con:
BP oil blame. I wipes a sweaty palm across Clinton's shirt.



When one is a Mason, they can build a Glorious Temple from just sticks and a string. Look up the 47th problem of Euclid. To Square the Square, how is geometry bad?

Want to squat in the dirt under your pup tent?


well i figure the masons must be on the right track if they are into geometry because i also research sacred geometry and have been trying to get into physical applications of it. but i'm just having difficulty in deciding if it would be a mistake to join the masons instead of pursuing a brotherhood of a higher order :)

To be a LUCIFER is to realize and shoot for the Stars, The POTENTIAL in man, not his debasement. I see Lucifer in technology, in striving to understand our place in the Universe, In scratching our head and wondering why we all FELL into this 3-D life of struggle rather then land in the Land of Oz and Yellow brick roads.

Lucifer is MANS POTENTIAL USING HIS OWN ABILITY, how much Lucifer needs his Father or the Divines help however, is something Lucifer must figure out.

About us Freemasons...

Pro:
Free basing goat fucks sipping a lemonade stolen from street kids.

Con:
BP oil blame. I wipes a sweaty palm across Clinton's shirt.



When one is a Mason, they can build a Glorious Temple from just sticks and a string. Look up the 47th problem of Euclid. To Square the Square, how is geometry bad?

Want to squat in the dirt under your pup tent?


well i figure the masons must be on the right track if they are into geometry because i also research sacred geometry and have been trying to get into physical applications of it. but i'm just having difficulty in deciding if it would be a mistake to join the masons instead of pursuing a brotherhood of a higher order :)

Geometry is an easy to perceive principal upon which the universe is founded. The rules of Geometry are fixed. There is not trickery or misdirection in Geometry. Geometry is something upon which we can all agree, regardless of the superstitions and cultures that govern the rest of our lives.

what are the pros and cons of each?

This largely depends on what you are looking for. The Freemasons are a catchment to funnel the worthy to higher places. Most people remain on the lower rungs and do not advance very far. How far you advance is up to you and your personal ambition. At each level you have to prove that you can keep secrets, to become eligible for advancement. The real power of the world is at the higher levels. If you advance to the 33rd degree, princes, kings and presidents will perform the ritual of initiation into it. The Illuminati are all members of the council of the 33rd degree. Depending on your ability, drive and desire it can take as little as five years to reach the 33rd. Usually you have to have proved yourself as a "Worshipful Master", but it is not mandatory, because if a lodge is very large, you simply may not have had the opportunity to be elected to that office.

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It is NOT about wanting power. and its God that Initiates, Not Man. He should begin by looking at the back of a dollar bill and meditating on that. to discover the real meaning of why we are here and where we are going. You are writing from a researcher, not one who knows from experience.

To be a LUCIFER is to realize and shoot for the Stars, The POTENTIAL in man, not his debasement. I see Lucifer in technology, in striving to understand our place in the Universe, In scratching our head and wondering why we all FELL into this 3-D life of struggle rather then land in the Land of Oz and Yellow brick roads.

Lucifer is MANS POTENTIAL USING HIS OWN ABILITY, how much Lucifer needs his Father or the Divines help however, is something Lucifer must figure out.


no, i meant the lucifer that wouldn't bow down to man, rebelled against heaven, and was transformed into satan and cast into the pit, sort of what the bible talks about, although ex-u s marine and freemason john robinson wrote that francis bacon and his cohort devere wrote that into the king james bible in his book about his pilgrimage into freemasonry

not a lucifer matchstick, like what your penis looks like at the bottom of your avatar...unless that is your thumb...

what are the pros and cons of each?

This largely depends on what you are looking for. The Freemasons are a catchment to funnel the worthy to higher places. Most people remain on the lower rungs and do not advance very far. How far you advance is up to you and your personal ambition. At each level you have to prove that you can keep secrets, to become eligible for advancement. The real power of the world is at the higher levels. If you advance to the 33rd degree, princes, kings and presidents will perform the ritual of initiation into it. The Illuminati are all members of the council of the 33rd degree. Depending on your ability, drive and desire it can take as little as five years to reach the 33rd. Usually you have to have proved yourself as a "Worshipful Master", but it is not mandatory, because if a lodge is very large, you simply may not have had the opportunity to be elected to that office.

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It is NOT about wanting power. and its God that Initiates, Not Man. He should begin by looking at the back of a dollar bill and meditating on that. to discover the real meaning of why we are here and where we are going. You are writing from a researcher, not one who knows from experience.

No I am not writing from a researcher. I wear the 47th proposition of Euclid with pride. I said nothing of "wanting power".

To be a LUCIFER is to realize and shoot for the Stars, The POTENTIAL in man, not his debasement. I see Lucifer in technology, in striving to understand our place in the Universe, In scratching our head and wondering why we all FELL into this 3-D life of struggle rather then land in the Land of Oz and Yellow brick roads.

Lucifer is MANS POTENTIAL USING HIS OWN ABILITY, how much Lucifer needs his Father or the Divines help however, is something Lucifer must figure out.

You have such a level of understanding, but do not serve yourself well in other things that you say.

Geometry is an easy to perceive principal upon which the universe is founded. The rules of Geometry are fixed. There is not trickery or misdirection in Geometry. Geometry is something upon which we can all agree, regardless of the superstitions and cultures that govern the rest of our lives.

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I disagree. it all comes down to individual perception. how can you truly know anyone else is perceiving the universe and its geometry in the same way that you are? I don't think there are any rules, only limitations on creation from the source of all geometry imposed by small human minds.

To be a LUCIFER is to realize and shoot for the Stars, The POTENTIAL in man, not his debasement. I see Lucifer in technology, in striving to understand our place in the Universe, In scratching our head and wondering why we all FELL into this 3-D life of struggle rather then land in the Land of Oz and Yellow brick roads.

Lucifer is MANS POTENTIAL USING HIS OWN ABILITY, how much Lucifer needs his Father or the Divines help however, is something Lucifer must figure out.

You have such a level of understanding, but do not serve yourself well in other things that you say.

the last time i ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge I may have taken too many bites :)

I remind myself of Icarus

flying too high to touch the sun, it's a hard fall down back to the ground.

the last time i ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge I may have taken too many bites :)

I remind myself of Icarus

flying too high to touch the sun, it's a hard fall down back to the ground.



Ouch, you betcha. But never give up on the Sun. Another Son or Sun God will find a better way to reach it, Think Chariot.

the last time i ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge I may have taken too many bites :)

I remind myself of Icarus

flying too high to touch the sun, it's a hard fall down back to the ground.

Op, joining any secret society is a very serious matter.

Initiations (Real initiation BTW none of that astral stuff) have powerful, long lasting affects on your life and very being.

You must want it bad and be ready for it. Be careful, be wise.

As someone else mentioned, The Golden Dawn is accessible if your ready but it's the work of a lifetime. Chic and Tabby Cicero head up the real thing. Be wary of others though I know some others are doing good work.

It's hard work and much study but it's awesome.

Take it slow, research a lot of groups, GD, OTO, SRIA, MOUP,
So many...

I would just recommend picking up a copy of the original "Golden Dawn" by Regardie and see how it feels. I also recommend introducing yourself to Qabalah, try Ducettes "The Chicken Qabalah" for starters.

After you dig into those books, you can decide if your into a true spiritual order or something more along the ligns of Masonry (red or blue) or even a Moose lodge, lol.

Take your time and

Best Wishes,

Frater

Geometry is an easy to perceive principal upon which the universe is founded. The rules of Geometry are fixed. There is not trickery or misdirection in Geometry. Geometry is something upon which we can all agree, regardless of the superstitions and cultures that govern the rest of our lives.

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I disagree. it all comes down to individual perception. how can you truly know anyone else is perceiving the universe and its geometry in the same way that you are? I don't think there are any rules, only limitations on creation from the source of all geometry imposed by small human minds.

If you take the position of a solipsist there can be no possibility of communications with another. If I place a 24 inch rule in your hand and you are unable to perceive it as a 24 inch rule then I cannot communicate with you at all. I agree that the human mind is very small and very limited in its ability to perceive the grand scheme of things, but even from our small vantage point we can see that things proceed according to rules. Gravitation operates according to a constant. We do not know what gravitation is, but it is the same for two observers standing next to each other discussing it. An angle of 90 degrees is a quarter of a circle, no matter where we stand within that part of the universe open to our perceptions. The rules that govern the operation of the universe are surprisingly few, given its vast scale, and they are the bounds within which our imaginations must work to create. What limits creativity is thinking that all the rules are known.