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BREAKING: Cumbria (UK) Shooting: 12 dead up to 25 injured Confirmed: Suspect Dead

 
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Yes; which is pretty much why we get this kind of thing very rarely - unlike you morons in the states who think guns are more socially acceptable than tits!


Agreed!


Great logic there!

Okay now, does anyone with a brain want to give a reasonable answer?
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Mentally ill/crazy people should not be given access to guns?
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I'm talking about psychological competence. Is that evaluated in a driving test? How many "nutters" or potential nutters do you think have licenses to drive a 500kg object at 200km/hr?

I'd wager a few. Why the obsession with gun control as though it is going to save everyone from the inevtiable nutter element in the community?
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yes it is any known pyschological issues preclude an individual from obtaining a driving license as does substance abuse disorders.

that said you are correct in stating that the lack of a comprehensive pychological evaluation means that there are some nutters out their with access to cars.

The thing is you are thus arguing that car ownership should be contingent on the same rigourous psychological profiling that gun ownership requires in the UK. NOT that cars control should be abolished

That said the "obsession" with gun control is largely due to two factors


1 the propensity for nutters to elect to use (be drawn to?) guns as a weapon of choice whereever available. as demonstrated amply today where a career profession driver /psycho drove around for three hours in a half tonne WMD yet rather than simply run people down stopped and shot them.

2 cost benefit analysis: unlike firearms road vehicles have a primary function which is massively more intergrated and essential to a functional modern society.
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New york city [8 million people]

stabbing deaths...125
Gun deaths...292

England...[50 million people]

Gun deaths 42
Stabbing deaths 220

Figures for 2009
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Too bad no one else was armed. This event would have been stopped dead in its tracks.


How many shootings have actually been stopped by bystanders over the years? I'm not in favour of gun control, but it doesn't seem to happen too often.


MANY!!! They're just never reported by the MSM.


Do you have any proof though? If anything I'd have thought the MSM would want to report such things sometimes to say "This is why we need guns".


Here's just a few:

[link to www.wnd.com]

[link to www.wbir.com]

[link to freestudents.blogspot.com]

There are many many others, but they never become things of nation or international discussion.
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Fair enough. I don't think anyone was saying that it Never happens, just that it's rarer than you might expect.
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2 cost benefit analysis: unlike firearms road vehicles have a primary function which is massively more intergrated and essential to a functional modern society.
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The primary function of firearms to me is to collectively protect against an abuse of government. The English have always been subjects of her majesty though so they're traditionally used to being bullied into submission by those wielding power.

Whereas the US has the opportunity to withstand an attack upon their status as free men by those who would wish to enslave them the UK does not - neither does Australia.

The irony is that gun control in the UK has done nothing to curb the rate of gun related fatalities. The only thing it has curbed is your ability to challenge the authority of those in power.
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oh isnt it against the law to have guns in the UK? hmmm...

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several types of weapon are banned outright however a vareity of firearms are permitted for private ownership providing the owner can demonstrate a practical/sporting need and can pass all the neccessary checks as required by law and reviewed by the police.

two types of firearms licenses are available

1 firearms certificate



A firearm certificate differs from a shotgun certificate in that justification must be provided to the police for each firearm; these firearms are individually listed on the certificate by type, calibre, and serial number



2 shotgun certificate
covering smoothbore firearms with barrels not shorter than 24" and a bore not larger than 2" in diameter, no revolving cylinder, and either no magazine or a non-detachable magazine that is not capable of holding more than two cartridges

A shotgun certificate lists type, calibre and serial number, but permits ownership of as many shotguns as can be safely accommodated


prohibited weapons include

fully automatic weaponry, semi-automatic and pump-action centre fire rifles, military weapons firing explosive ammunition, short shotguns that had magazines, and both elevated pump-action and self-loading rifles to the Prohibited category
all pistols of any calibre and magazine capacity (EXCLUDING black poder breech loaders those of a historical interest prototypes etc. or predating 1917, starter pistols or shot pistols for pest control.) however under certain specific circumstances an individual may be issued a personal protective weapon license.
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Sky News just mentioned 11 dead, but then brushed over it pretty quickly...

neighbors described him as 'a nice guy'.



strange how the neighbors ALWAYS say the perp is/was a nice guy..........



EVERYONE IS A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL AND WHY EVERYONE MUST BE MONITORED
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These rare, but atrocious, MK-Ultra psy-op gun massacres in the UK are ALWAYS followed by some kind of Draconian, "Big Brother" legislation.

I wonder what it will be?

pennywise
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Sky News just mentioned 11 dead, but then brushed over it pretty quickly...

neighbors described him as 'a nice guy'.



strange how the neighbors ALWAYS say the perp is/was a nice guy..........



EVERYONE IS A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL AND WHY EVERYONE MUST BE MONITORED


These rare, but atrocious, MK-Ultra psy-op gun massacres in the UK are ALWAYS followed by some kind of Draconian, "Big Brother" legislation.

I wonder what it will be?

pennywise
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You are right mate....



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Yes; which is pretty much why we get this kind of thing very rarely - unlike you morons in the states who think guns are more socially acceptable than tits!


Agreed!


Great logic there!

Okay now, does anyone with a brain want to give a reasonable answer?


Mentally ill/crazy people should not be given access to guns?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 989301

So they stab you or blow you up instead. I will take my chances with guns, it is safer, the other people did not have guns they are dead

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Interesting first name...Oil Derrick?
They throw it right in your face. s226
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I wonder what made him do it?
seems he was well liked very freindly and popular man, reports say that yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
what happened recently
to cause his change in himself
that neighbours have talked about?
yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.

I WONDER WAS HE POLITICAL?
seemed very nice and did not seem prone to outbursts of angr or such like according to other people who knew him
SEEMS VERY PEACE LVING

yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
WAS HE POLITICAL?

I WONDER WAS HE ANGERED BY THE DEATHS OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?

WAS THAT A POSSIBLE FOR HIS SUDDEN CHANGE YESTERDAY?
WAS ANGER SLOWLY BUILDING?

ANGER BREWING BY THE DEATH OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?
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I wonder what made him do it?


In the 1960's we had someone climb the clock tower at University of Texas in Austin...he then proceeded to shoot pedestrians... after he died, they did and autopsy...he had a brain tumor
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The primary function of firearms to me is to collectively protect against an abuse of government. The English have always been subjects of her majesty though so they're traditionally used to being bullied into submission by those wielding power.

Whereas the US has the opportunity to withstand an attack upon their status as free men by those who would wish to enslave them the UK does not - neither does Australia.

The irony is that gun control in the UK has done nothing to curb the rate of gun related fatalities. The only thing it has curbed is your ability to challenge the authority of those in power.
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the primary use of fire arms is to kill things

hunting rifle kill game handguns and suchlike to kill people.

messers smith and wesson didn't pick up their work and go oh that'll make those pesky lawmakers think twice before enacting eminent domain they thought fuck yea that'll put a big hole in some cunt...
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I wonder what made him do it?


In the 1960's we had someone climb the clock tower at University of Texas in Austin...he then proceeded to shoot pedestrians... after he died, they did and autopsy...he had a brain tumor
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Charles Whitman, ex USMC!

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I wonder what made him do it?
seems he was well liked very freindly and popular man, reports say that yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
what happened recently
to cause his change in himself
that neighbours have talked about?
yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.

I WONDER WAS HE POLITICAL?
seemed very nice and did not seem prone to outbursts of angr or such like according to other people who knew him
SEEMS VERY PEACE LVING

yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
WAS HE POLITICAL?

I WONDER WAS HE ANGERED BY THE DEATHS OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?

WAS THAT A POSSIBLE FOR HIS SUDDEN CHANGE YESTERDAY?
WAS ANGER SLOWLY BUILDING?

ANGER BREWING BY THE DEATH OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?
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capslock it's cruise control for cool.

a whitehaven taxi driver is about as likley to go out shooting random stangers in protest over israeli action as you are to engage yer brain before posting so do us a favour and fuck off son..
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...My condolences to the family members...wasn't there something else of significance ...that transpired in Cumbria..in the not to distant past...? Wasn't ancient Cumbria one of the first Roman settlements in England...?
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I wonder what made him do it?
seems he was well liked very freindly and popular man, reports say that yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
what happened recently
to cause his change in himself
that neighbours have talked about?
yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.

I WONDER WAS HE POLITICAL?
seemed very nice and did not seem prone to outbursts of angr or such like according to other people who knew him
SEEMS VERY PEACE LVING

yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
WAS HE POLITICAL?

I WONDER WAS HE ANGERED BY THE DEATHS OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?

WAS THAT A POSSIBLE FOR HIS SUDDEN CHANGE YESTERDAY?
WAS ANGER SLOWLY BUILDING?

ANGER BREWING BY THE DEATH OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?
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well, just putting a tenuous 2+2 together, this kid, Kieron Goulding, aged 15, was from Whitehaven..

[link to www.mirror.co.uk]

the very same place..

..which suggests an idea to me.

was the vehicle the bus 'swerved to avoid' a taxi?

Maybe a taxi driven by Mr Bird?

Maybe this little fact was worked out by the other taxi drivers?

just a thought!
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suicide This is how it will end ...


And yes, probably.
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lol
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The irony is that gun control in the UK has done nothing to curb the rate of gun related fatalities. The only thing it has curbed is your ability to challenge the authority of those in power.
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in hard numbers (somewhat correct) but the UK population has grown by about 17% since 86 and 12% since 1997 additionally the move to high density urban lifestyle has continued apace

as such the per capita figure has actually fallen despite

1/ the increase in total population in an already crowded country
2/ the impact of "immigrant" behavioural norms
3/ the impact of increased urbanisation
4/ the impact of increased drug/gang related crime

so all in all thank you for trying contestant but no prize this time
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I wonder what made him do it?
seems he was well liked very freindly and popular man, reports say that yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
what happened recently
to cause his change in himself
that neighbours have talked about?
yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.

I WONDER WAS HE POLITICAL?
seemed very nice and did not seem prone to outbursts of angr or such like according to other people who knew him
SEEMS VERY PEACE LVING

yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
WAS HE POLITICAL?

I WONDER WAS HE ANGERED BY THE DEATHS OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?

WAS THAT A POSSIBLE FOR HIS SUDDEN CHANGE YESTERDAY?
WAS ANGER SLOWLY BUILDING?

ANGER BREWING BY THE DEATH OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?


well, just putting a tenuous 2+2 together, this kid, Kieron Goulding, aged 15, was from Whitehaven..

[link to www.mirror.co.uk]

the very same place..

..which suggests an idea to me.

was the vehicle the bus 'swerved to avoid' a taxi?

Maybe a taxi driven by Mr Bird?

Maybe this little fact was worked out by the other taxi drivers?

just a thought!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 978129

just TOO many coincidences...

[link to www.yorkshirewired.co.uk]

''It is believed the driver of the coach, which was run by J.B. Pickthall based in Rowrah, West Cumbria, had swerved to avoid another vehicle when the collision occurred. ''

ROWRAH!

the very same tiny little village that Derrick Bird was from?

come on people!
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...My condolences to the family members...wasn't there something else of significance ...that transpired in Cumbria..in the not to distant past...? Wasn't ancient Cumbria one of the first Roman settlements in England...?
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nope, in fact one of the last.
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If those VICTIMS had been ARMED and PACKIN as well, there would NOT have been as many VICTIMS.

Stupid stupid stupid to disarm the people where they can not defend themselves.
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I wonder what made him do it?
seems he was well liked very freindly and popular man, reports say that yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
what happened recently
to cause his change in himself
that neighbours have talked about?
yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.

I WONDER WAS HE POLITICAL?
seemed very nice and did not seem prone to outbursts of angr or such like according to other people who knew him
SEEMS VERY PEACE LVING

yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
WAS HE POLITICAL?

I WONDER WAS HE ANGERED BY THE DEATHS OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?

WAS THAT A POSSIBLE FOR HIS SUDDEN CHANGE YESTERDAY?
WAS ANGER SLOWLY BUILDING?

ANGER BREWING BY THE DEATH OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?


well, just putting a tenuous 2+2 together, this kid, Kieron Goulding, aged 15, was from Whitehaven..

[link to www.mirror.co.uk]

the very same place..

..which suggests an idea to me.

was the vehicle the bus 'swerved to avoid' a taxi?

Maybe a taxi driven by Mr Bird?

Maybe this little fact was worked out by the other taxi drivers?

just a thought!

just TOO many coincidences...

[link to www.yorkshirewired.co.uk]

''It is believed the driver of the coach, which was run by J.B. Pickthall based in Rowrah, West Cumbria, had swerved to avoid another vehicle when the collision occurred. ''

ROWRAH!

the very same tiny little village that Derrick Bird was from?

come on people!
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no thoughts then?

oh well, at least I tried! lol

I'm convinced this is the case. far too coincidental. the vehicle that caused the bus crash never was identified, but you know how gossip spreads in communities like that, and he sure did seem to have some sort of guilt trip going on there today, didn't he?
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not read much bujt this seems staged to persuade gullible judges and mps to sign something
soon
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If those VICTIMS had been ARMED and PACKIN as well, there would NOT have been as many VICTIMS.

Stupid stupid stupid to disarm the people where they can not defend themselves.
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And that's why there are no gun masacres in the US, right? cause everyone is 'packin'?

Don't be an idiot.

So, some dude in a taxi pulls over beckons you over to his car. You walk over obligingly. He winds down the window innocently, and says something. An instant later he whips up a shot gun and shoots you in the face, then drives off...

Of course, with your lightning fast reactions you would have dropped your shopping bags, reached inside your coat and have outdrawn him wild west stylee.

Give me a break.

whatever
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I wonder what made him do it?
seems he was well liked very freindly and popular man, reports say that yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
what happened recently
to cause his change in himself
that neighbours have talked about?
yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.

I WONDER WAS HE POLITICAL?
seemed very nice and did not seem prone to outbursts of angr or such like according to other people who knew him
SEEMS VERY PEACE LVING

yesterday he did not seem to be himself according to his close neighbours.
WAS HE POLITICAL?

I WONDER WAS HE ANGERED BY THE DEATHS OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?

WAS THAT A POSSIBLE FOR HIS SUDDEN CHANGE YESTERDAY?
WAS ANGER SLOWLY BUILDING?

ANGER BREWING BY THE DEATH OF PEACELOVING TERRORISTS ON SHIPS?


well, just putting a tenuous 2+2 together, this kid, Kieron Goulding, aged 15, was from Whitehaven..

[link to www.mirror.co.uk]

the very same place..

..which suggests an idea to me.

was the vehicle the bus 'swerved to avoid' a taxi?

Maybe a taxi driven by Mr Bird?

Maybe this little fact was worked out by the other taxi drivers?

just a thought!

just TOO many coincidences...

[link to www.yorkshirewired.co.uk]

''It is believed the driver of the coach, which was run by J.B. Pickthall based in Rowrah, West Cumbria, had swerved to avoid another vehicle when the collision occurred. ''

ROWRAH!

the very same tiny little village that Derrick Bird was from?

come on people!


no thoughts then?

oh well, at least I tried! lol

I'm convinced this is the case. far too coincidental. the vehicle that caused the bus crash never was identified, but you know how gossip spreads in communities like that, and he sure did seem to have some sort of guilt trip going on there today, didn't he?
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so we're talking rogue microwave tower - check transmitters in vicinity via ofcom

I would but sleeping soon

a skewed dish dropped 20 odd drummer kids in early 90's near by somewhere in UK

no link - on tv
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this is the reason people should allowed to own a fire arm. a fire arm in this society is a rational decision. police only follow up crime after it been commited.

police follow up crime does not and cannot save lives, people need to take responsibility for themselves and thier family. THe law does not protect the innocent.....

make the rational choice for yourself becasue one day your life may bepend on it, even if it is where the road ends in cumbria.
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no, we're talking a guilty taxi driver, who knew that EVERYONE in his local village was pointing the finger at HIM for the deaths of those two little girls.

he went home last night, festered, and then decided to sort it the only way he knew how.

even though he probably NEVER would have been charged, due to lack of evidence/proof, death by a thousand cuts from Chinese rumours was the fate that awaited the remainder of his life, and that for him was unbearable.

imho.
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Sky News just mentioned 11 dead, but then brushed over it pretty quickly...

neighbors described him as 'a nice guy'.



strange how the neighbors ALWAYS say the perp is/was a nice guy..........



EVERYONE IS A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL AND WHY EVERYONE MUST BE MONITORED


These rare, but atrocious, MK-Ultra psy-op gun massacres in the UK are ALWAYS followed by some kind of Draconian, "Big Brother" legislation.

I wonder what it will be?

pennywise
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normally I wouldn't go for this being a conspiracy but one thing strikes me

hungerford

19 8 1987

dunblane

13 3 1996

whitehaven

2 6 2010


so thats

198-198-7

133-199-6

and

262-010

not sure how numerelogically significant they are but i am struck by the pattern repetitions.





GLP