BREAKING: Cumbria (UK) Shooting: 12 dead up to 25 injured Confirmed: Suspect Dead

It would be just as easy (if not easier) to kill as many people with a razor sharp piece of steel in a crowded place as it would with a gun.

oh isnt it against the law to have guns in the UK? hmmm...


It's a common misperception that people aren't allowed to have guns in the UK. But people do need permits. so not as liberal as some other countries.


Most handguns are banned (or VERY strictly controlled) though.

All I have to say is thank fuck guns are banned in this country, so we never see things like this.

Thus the false flag from the anti gunners. Had there been more guns the shooter would have been stopped much sooner or never have tried such a thing in the first place.

criminals will get hold of guns, and kill, whether they're legal or not, and decent law abiding people will STILL be decent law abiding PROTECTED people.


yet in every country where gun control is laxer than the UK more people are killed per capita by criminals weilding guns than are in the UK.

ergo you justification flies in the face of actual real life experience.

the idea of relaxing gun laws so people can defend themselves is as moronic as justifying speeding as a way to avoid accidents because you are on the roads for less time.

facile, flawed and demonstrably wrongheaded.

All I have to say is thank fuck guns are banned in this country, so we never see things like this.

Thus the false flag from the anti gunners. Had there been more guns the shooter would have been stopped much sooner or never have tried such a thing in the first place.


bullshit as amply proven by the rate of these events in your heavily armed country compared to the UK

All I have to say is thank fuck guns are banned in this country, so we never see things like this.


1 guns aren't banned in the UK only some types are

2 last time was dunblaine in 97 and the time before that hungerford in 86, hardly a weekly occurance.


3 also the type of weapons used in dunblaine and hungerford were prior to the incidents legally obtainable and only subsequently banned following the incidents


it's STILL a policy failure, no matter how it's spun.

these things will happen, whether guns are banned or not, simply because decent law abiding people will still be decent law abiding people whether they own guns or not, and murdering c*nts like this Bird fella will get hold of guns regardless.

it's as simple as that!

The ban on guns is a FAILURE, as a policy.

All I have to say is thank fuck guns are banned in this country, so we never see things like this.

Thus the false flag from the anti gunners. Had there been more guns the shooter would have been stopped much sooner or never have tried such a thing in the first place.


bullshit as amply proven by the rate of these events in your heavily armed country compared to the UK


You have to account for the difference in population though (I'm not saying you're not, just making it clear).

criminals will get hold of guns, and kill, whether they're legal or not, and decent law abiding people will STILL be decent law abiding PROTECTED people.


yet in every country where gun control is laxer than the UK more people are killed per capita by criminals weilding guns than are in the UK.

ergo you justification flies in the face of actual real life experience.

the idea of relaxing gun laws so people can defend themselves is as moronic as justifying speeding as a way to avoid accidents because you are on the roads for less time.

facile, flawed and demonstrably wrongheaded.


don't give a fuck.

sick of all the control.

you live, you die.

try telling that fella who 'went for a walk' only to have his brains splattered all over the street how safe it is here right now. or that farmer, doing his job, only to be blasted away.

fuck you and your 'it's safe here' bullshit.

arm the people!

Sellafield Nuclear plant on lockdown???

Our propensity to violent crime not including guns is also higher.

criminals will get hold of guns, and kill, whether they're legal or not, and decent law abiding people will STILL be decent law abiding PROTECTED people.


yet in every country where gun control is laxer than the UK more people are killed per capita by criminals weilding guns than are in the UK.

ergo you justification flies in the face of actual real life experience.

the idea of relaxing gun laws so people can defend themselves is as moronic as justifying speeding as a way to avoid accidents because you are on the roads for less time.

facile, flawed and demonstrably wrongheaded.


don't give a fuck.

sick of all the control.

you live, you die.

try telling that fella who 'went for a walk' only to have his brains splattered all over the street how safe it is here right now. or that farmer, doing his job, only to be blasted away.

fuck you and your 'it's safe here' bullshit.

arm the people!

Guy riding his bike on this beautiful day....BANG...dead..so sad.

Guy riding his bike on this beautiful day....BANG...dead..so sad.


guy riding his bike one day to work bang crunch crushed by a truck, so sad.


the chances of being shot why cycling are vanishingly small compared to being ran over by a protitute murdering truck driver.

to those proposing a free for all for every nutter to get a gun shall we provide the entire population with unrestricted access to trucks too?

Our propensity to violent crime not including guns is also higher.


Couldn't it be claimed then that gun control reduces shootings, but increases other violence?

Guy riding his bike on this beautiful day....BANG...dead..so sad.


guy riding his bike one day to work bang crunch crushed by a truck, so sad.


the chances of being shot why cycling are vanishingly small compared to being ran over by a protitute murdering truck driver.

to those proposing a free for all for every nutter to get a gun shall we provide the entire population with unrestricted access to trucks too?


You don't already?

it depends, do you want a reduction in total homicide fatalities or a reduction in knife fatalities at the cost of a massively disproportionate increase in overall and gun fatalities?

Guy riding his bike on this beautiful day....BANG...dead..so sad.


guy riding his bike one day to work bang crunch crushed by a truck, so sad.


the chances of being shot why cycling are vanishingly small compared to being ran over by a protitute murdering truck driver.

to those proposing a free for all for every nutter to get a gun shall we provide the entire population with unrestricted access to trucks too?


You don't already?

Guy riding his bike on this beautiful day....BANG...dead..so sad.


guy riding his bike one day to work bang crunch crushed by a truck, so sad.


the chances of being shot why cycling are vanishingly small compared to being ran over by a protitute murdering truck driver.

to those proposing a free for all for every nutter to get a gun shall we provide the entire population with unrestricted access to trucks too?


You don't already?


To be fair, the restrictions on truck drivers are pretty tight these days lol.

Guy riding his bike on this beautiful day....BANG...dead..so sad.


guy riding his bike one day to work bang crunch crushed by a truck, so sad.


the chances of being shot why cycling are vanishingly small compared to being ran over by a protitute murdering truck driver.

to those proposing a free for all for every nutter to get a gun shall we provide the entire population with unrestricted access to trucks too?


You don't already?



no we have a medical and specific driving test for HGV usage to ensure those using them in public can do so safely.

again it's not 100% but the alternative is to allow free access and watch the roads decend into unregulated carnage.

why do you not have a specific driving test for HGV's in OZ?

Yep - sad, isn't it?

The real tragedy is, gun control only allows crooks and nuts to have guns.


I for one aren't arguing with you.

Our propensity to violent crime not including guns is also higher.


Couldn't it be claimed then that gun control reduces shootings, but increases other violence?

oh isnt it against the law to have guns in the UK? hmmm...



Reminds me of the fact that "Carbine Williams" who was doing time for killing a federal agent in a gun battle at his still, covertly made and perfected the M1 Carbine[a damned sweet little battle rifle]while locked up in the 1930s. Where there is a will, there is a way.




But we don't want you brits to know that


Interesting.

It's not all that hard for people to get guns here,even though they are illegal. Also you can still get shotguns legally.

The real tragedy is, gun control only allows crooks and nuts to have guns.


I for one aren't arguing with you.



sophistry. It doesn't "allow" any such thing, inefficiencies in enforcing the law (and piss poor penalties) leave criminals willing and able to obtain and possess guns HOWEVER the are breaking the law and should face massively severe sanctions for doing so to deter them.

gun control also does not only allow crooks to have guns there are tens of thousands of legally held firearms in the UK. are you claiming they are all nuts and crooks?.