BREAKING: Cumbria (UK) Shooting: 12 dead up to 25 injured Confirmed: Suspect Dead | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 989463 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 cost benefit analysis: unlike firearms road vehicles have a primary function which is massively more intergrated and essential to a functional modern society. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990079The primary function of firearms to me is to collectively protect against an abuse of government. The English have always been subjects of her majesty though so they're traditionally used to being bullied into submission by those wielding power. Whereas the US has the opportunity to withstand an attack upon their status as free men by those who would wish to enslave them the UK does not - neither does Australia. The irony is that gun control in the UK has done nothing to curb the rate of gun related fatalities. The only thing it has curbed is your ability to challenge the authority of those in power. well iv`e got a butter knife and a tin opener if push comes to shove |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 988736 Turkey 06/02/2010 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is the reason people should allowed to own a fire arm. a fire arm in this society is a rational decision. police only follow up crime after it been commited. Quoting: uk cumbria 990285police follow up crime does not and cannot save lives, people need to take responsibility for themselves and thier family. THe law does not protect the innocent..... make the rational choice for yourself becasue one day your life may bepend on it, even if it is where the road ends in cumbria. wrong on so many levels 1 police often preempt crimes 2 all societies with lax gun controls have far higher gun fatalities and homicide rates than that in the UK 3 enormous numbers of child gunshot fatalities are recorded as a result of piss poor parents not securing firearms (I need it loaded and ready in my bedside drawer) and kids playing with them. |
uk cumbria User ID: 990285 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is the reason people should allowed to own a fire arm. a fire arm in this society is a rational decision. police only follow up crime after it been commited. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 988736police follow up crime does not and cannot save lives, people need to take responsibility for themselves and thier family. THe law does not protect the innocent..... make the rational choice for yourself becasue one day your life may bepend on it, even if it is where the road ends in cumbria. wrong on so many levels 1 police often preempt crimes 2 all societies with lax gun controls have far higher gun fatalities and homicide rates than that in the UK 3 enormous numbers of child gunshot fatalities are recorded as a result of piss poor parents not securing firearms (I need it loaded and ready in my bedside drawer) and kids playing with them. you assume that most are irrational with fire arms....the problem is not the gun its the person using it..and i am not interested in anyone else just myself and my family. you will always get gun crime and i do not plan on being a statistic through the irrational actions of others. We only have ONE life. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 988736 Turkey 06/02/2010 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you assume that most are irrational with fire arms....the problem is not the gun its the person using it..and i am not interested in anyone else just myself and my family. you will always get gun crime and i do not plan on being a statistic through the irrational actions of others. Quoting: uk cumbria 990285We only have ONE life. I don't assume most are irrational with firearms, (I do however KNOW most are dangerously incompetent with them). I assume that if there are more firearms more easily avaiable then more irrational people will find access to the easier. and the thing is there are ample statistics to back up my assumption. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 988288 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no, we're talking a guilty taxi driver, who knew that EVERYONE in his local village was pointing the finger at HIM for the deaths of those two little girls. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 978129he went home last night, festered, and then decided to sort it the only way he knew how. even though he probably NEVER would have been charged, due to lack of evidence/proof, death by a thousand cuts from Chinese rumours was the fate that awaited the remainder of his life, and that for him was unbearable. imho. oooooooooohhhhhhhhhh - I see - plausable !!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 977555 United States 06/02/2010 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i own 10 ak 47's and many other much more powerful rifles do you see me in the news? no... because i am a collector and a trader. not a murderer if i wanted to murder i could run people over in my car by the hundreds why use a gun? |
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TiSwAs_UK User ID: 961174 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lived in Whitehaven for a couple of years as most of my mums family live there and just found out that my anuties partner who works at said taxi firm was stood next to the 1st guy who got shot dead - he is currently in hospital receiving treatment after being hit by a stray bullet - never thought something like this would be so close to home :( thank goodness he is ok and condolences to all the friends and family of the deceased - it is a sad sad day Last Edited by TiSwAs_UK on 06/02/2010 05:02 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 988736 Turkey 06/02/2010 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | seriously though Quoting: Anonymous Coward 977555ignorant anti gun laws are useless..unless you are the government..then it is very useful to control and harass and imprison and fine and and and etc etc.... i see so your population is not harassed controlled or imprisoned then? I guess the whole no fly list, patriot act, warrantless domestic wire tapping, waco branch davidian assaulting, suspension of habeus corpus for citizens, hutaree raiding, coralled free speech zones. stuff is all just make believe eh? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 988736 Turkey 06/02/2010 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i own 10 ak 47's and many other much more powerful rifles Quoting: Anonymous Coward 977555do you see me in the news? no... because i am a collector and a trader. not a murderer if i wanted to murder i could run people over in my car by the hundreds why use a gun? the guy today was a taxi driver he could have used his car to run people over rather than shoot them, but he didn't instead he used guns. applying the logic and propositioning that a sane aperson with access to a car and guns would just as likely consider using a car is always gong to fail because a sane person doesn't embark on a killing spree. they are called gun rampages for a reason and the reason is not simply because a car was unavailable. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 988736 Turkey 06/02/2010 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lived in Whitehaven for a couple of years as most of my mums family live there and just found out that my anuties partner who works at said taxi firm was stood next to the 1st guy who got shot dead - he is currently in hospital receiving treatment after being hit by a stray bullet - never thought something like this would be so close to home :( thank goodness he is ok and condolences to all the friends and family of the deceased - it is a sad sad day Quoting: TiSwAs_UKaye my facebook has been updating all night with names (confirmed and not yet confirmed) of victims. tonight all cumbrians are jam eaters. |
ac User ID: 990353 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If guns were legal in the UK. Fridays nights would be one hell of a night. lots of pissed up chavs an spivs giving it what for. hahaha Nope, best that they dont trust the ordenary brit with a gun. Safer that way. hehe |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 988736 Turkey 06/02/2010 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If guns were legal in the UK. Fridays nights would be one hell of a night. lots of pissed up chavs an spivs giving it what for. hahaha Nope, best that they dont trust the ordenary brit with a gun. Safer that way. hehe Quoting: ac 990353good point well made. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 990094 United States 06/02/2010 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If guns were legal in the UK. Fridays nights would be one hell of a night. lots of pissed up chavs an spivs giving it what for. hahaha Nope, best that they dont trust the ordenary brit with a gun. Safer that way. hehe Quoting: ac 990353That makes sense. Give someone a gun, and they suddenly forget about all the other laws they used to obey, like not murdering or robbing people. Guns cause irrational behavior. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 990369 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sky news now reporting that one of the dead was his twin brother. Also looks like he was assaulted a couple of years ago as a taxi driver [link to www.whitehaven-news.co.uk] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 978129 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sky news now reporting that one of the dead was his twin brother. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990369Also looks like he was assaulted a couple of years ago as a taxi driver [link to www.whitehaven-news.co.uk] perhaps his brother was one of the people nagging him to fess up to causing that crash? as for the assault, well he was a taxi driver. unfortunately it's one of the hazards of doing that job. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 990114 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 05:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lived in Whitehaven for a couple of years as most of my mums family live there and just found out that my anuties partner who works at said taxi firm was stood next to the 1st guy who got shot dead - he is currently in hospital receiving treatment after being hit by a stray bullet - never thought something like this would be so close to home :( thank goodness he is ok and condolences to all the friends and family of the deceased - it is a sad sad day Quoting: TiSwAs_UKDo you mean, a stray "pellet", as would be fired from a shotgun load? Otherwise, your post makes little sense. |
babycakes User ID: 695273 United States 06/02/2010 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lived in Whitehaven for a couple of years as most of my mums family live there and just found out that my anuties partner who works at said taxi firm was stood next to the 1st guy who got shot dead - he is currently in hospital receiving treatment after being hit by a stray bullet - never thought something like this would be so close to home :( thank goodness he is ok and condolences to all the friends and family of the deceased - it is a sad sad day Quoting: TiSwAs_UKHope he has a speedy recovery, and Bless you and yours. Seeker of Universal Truths. Live from MT Summit! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 961174 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lived in Whitehaven for a couple of years as most of my mums family live there and just found out that my anuties partner who works at said taxi firm was stood next to the 1st guy who got shot dead - he is currently in hospital receiving treatment after being hit by a stray bullet - never thought something like this would be so close to home :( thank goodness he is ok and condolences to all the friends and family of the deceased - it is a sad sad day Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990114Do you mean, a stray "pellet", as would be fired from a shotgun load? Otherwise, your post makes little sense. possibly would make better sense although he did have a rifle as well as a shotgun - still havent spoken with my auntie as yet as he doesnt want to talk about it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 961174 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lived in Whitehaven for a couple of years as most of my mums family live there and just found out that my anuties partner who works at said taxi firm was stood next to the 1st guy who got shot dead - he is currently in hospital receiving treatment after being hit by a stray bullet - never thought something like this would be so close to home :( thank goodness he is ok and condolences to all the friends and family of the deceased - it is a sad sad day Quoting: babycakesHope he has a speedy recovery, and Bless you and yours. thank you |
NetRanger User ID: 935396 United States 06/02/2010 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is the reason people should allowed to own a fire arm. a fire arm in this society is a rational decision. police only follow up crime after it been commited. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 988736police follow up crime does not and cannot save lives, people need to take responsibility for themselves and thier family. THe law does not protect the innocent..... make the rational choice for yourself becasue one day your life may bepend on it, even if it is where the road ends in cumbria. wrong on so many levels 1 police often preempt crimes 2 all societies with lax gun controls have far higher gun fatalities and homicide rates than that in the UK 3 enormous numbers of child gunshot fatalities are recorded as a result of piss poor parents not securing firearms (I need it loaded and ready in my bedside drawer) and kids playing with them. Stand back. I got this one. OK, Turkey. Get this: Less than 10% of US citizens go around in public armed. Yet, 29% of all violent crimes are "preempted" by armed civilians. The societies that have lax gun controls are slave societies. They have neither desire nor will to fight. You will find, however, that in the societies that have tight gun controls the suicide and homocide level goes up (by magnitudes). Sure, gun crimes go down 80% its just that *ALL*OTHER*CRIMES* climb to the fucking moon... even to the point they aren't worth reporting. The Government doesn't give a damn because they're in control and nobody can do anything about it. You will find that the number of child deaths related to accidental gunshot wounds is tiny compare to the willful slaughter of innocent civilians from gunshot wounds by government agents mistaking targets. The fact is, I am a big gun control advocate: The government should be controlled and should not have guns: Its a safety risk. The People, however, cannot be even restricted. Government agents with guns are for cleanup and apprehension. Leave the heavy lifting to the people that get the job done: Armed Civilians that do their duty. What part of "shall not be infringed" am I confused about? 100% Unmodified DNA (mRNAless!) "Communism/Socialism/Democracy makes and delivers promises! ...but only to the elites that force it upon you." -NetRanger (2012) "Government is the Anti-Midas. Everything they touch turns to complete crap." -NetRanger (2005) [link to www.aefad.us] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 949976 South Korea 06/02/2010 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ITV chiefs last night cancelled an episode of Coronation Street just hours before millions were due to watch a chilling storyline that echoed the Cumbria Massacre. The post-watershed episode was due to feature convicted killer Tony Gordon, played by Gray O’Brien, embarking on a terrifying gun siege in Weatherfield after escaping from prison. Along with his henchman Robbie, Tony was set to hold prison guards at gunpoint before making his getaway - and then holding people hostage at the Underworld factory. During five post-watershed episodes planned for this week, viewers were due to see at least one character die as Tony made it clear that he intended to kill his ex-wife Carla, played by Alison King, and Hayley, played by Julie Hesmondhalgh. A Coronation Street spokeswoman said: ‘Obviously, there are huge sensitivities given the scale of the tragedy of what has happened in Cumbria. 'We postponed last night’s episode (2) and will make a decision about tonight’s (3) episode today.' A show source said the soap, watched by more than 10 million fans a week, could even be off air Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 990345 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and i am not interested in anyone else just myself and my family. Quoting: uk cumbria 990285Well, you are not a particularly pleasant person then, are you? You need to realise that everyone is important, not just those YOU hold dear. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 988921 United Kingdom 06/02/2010 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IMO more significance should be put on campaigns to convince people with mental health issues (Including depression) to go see a NHS doctor to help treat them before their mental state gets to a point where they just snap, rather than just finding ways to make it harder to legally own a gun. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 990448 Sweden 06/02/2010 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If guns were legal in the UK. Fridays nights would be one hell of a night. lots of pissed up chavs an spivs giving it what for. hahaha Nope, best that they dont trust the ordenary brit with a gun. Safer that way. hehe Quoting: ac 990353Those chavs would be a memory, they would wipe themselves out in month or two, just stay indoors until they've done wiping each other out. Them and the muskies. Then a chav and muskie free nation... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 964156 Australia 06/02/2010 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i own 10 ak 47's and many other much more powerful rifles Quoting: Anonymous Coward 977555do you see me in the news? no... because i am a collector and a trader. not a murderer if i wanted to murder i could run people over in my car by the hundreds why use a gun? What is to stop a murderer stabbing you in the neck from behind with a screwdriver and taking your guns? |