2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther **Beware of false prophets**

I hate to burst your bubble and it does not occur often but indigenous people do take the right white people and do teach then the practice of shamanism.


WRONG. REAL Native peoples NEVER teach white people anything. That is because you white people DON'T GET IT.

Any Native person that teaches white people Native culture does not have the blessing of their tribe, I GUARANTEE YOU. They are TRAITORS.

Go research it if you don't fucking believe.

Fuck, I hate you white people. Stealing our land wasn't enough, now you have to fucking steal our religion and culture. When the end of the world comes, you will all be paying for your sins and we will not be helping you. You've all helped to destroy this planet and you all treat non-whites like dirt. Fuck you all. The Creator will be recycling your souls, you're all so dirty.



Being a "white man" , I couldn't agree more with our words..


I've looked at some of her video's and what i found particular was that at her seminars or ceremonies i only could find white people??? Except for one video , were there sat only one native american. If she really was initiated by a native american tribe, you would expect she would be surrounded by many native americans right?

Also she never have shown any proof of that she's really who she claims she is...

I do like the message she gives, but if it's backed up by false claims, i don't approve it

I hate to burst your bubble and it does not occur often but indigenous people do take the right white people and do teach then the practice of shamanism.


WRONG. REAL Native peoples NEVER teach white people anything. That is because you white people DON'T GET IT.

Any Native person that teaches white people Native culture does not have the blessing of their tribe, I GUARANTEE YOU. They are TRAITORS.

Go research it if you don't fucking believe.

Fuck, I hate you white people. Stealing our land wasn't enough, now you have to fucking steal our religion and culture. When the end of the world comes, you will all be paying for your sins and we will not be helping you. You've all helped to destroy this planet and you all treat non-whites like dirt. Fuck you all. The Creator will be recycling your souls, you're all so dirty.



Being a "white man" , I couldn't agree more with our words..


I've looked at some of her video's and what i found particular was that at her seminars or ceremonies i only could find white people??? Except for one video , were there sat only one native american. If she really was initiated by a native american tribe, you would expect she would be surrounded by many native americans right?

Also she never have shown any proof of that she's really who she claims she is...

I do like the message she gives, but if it's backed up by false claims, i don't approve it



I liked her soft spoken ways, she looks very authentic and her words gave me a warm feeling, but an admission fee of € 39 to listen to her for a couple of hours, seems pretty steep to me...I am wondering wether there is a moneymaking side to this lady..if thre is, I would be very dissapointed....

I hate to burst your bubble and it does not occur often but indigenous people do take the right white people and do teach then the practice of shamanism.


WRONG. REAL Native peoples NEVER teach white people anything. That is because you white people DON'T GET IT.

Any Native person that teaches white people Native culture does not have the blessing of their tribe, I GUARANTEE YOU. They are TRAITORS.

Go research it if you don't fucking believe.

Fuck, I hate you white people. Stealing our land wasn't enough, now you have to fucking steal our religion and culture. When the end of the world comes, you will all be paying for your sins and we will not be helping you. You've all helped to destroy this planet and you all treat non-whites like dirt. Fuck you all. The Creator will be recycling your souls, you're all so dirty.



Being a "white man" , I couldn't agree more with our words..


I've looked at some of her video's and what i found particular was that at her seminars or ceremonies i only could find white people??? Except for one video , were there sat only one native american. If she really was initiated by a native american tribe, you would expect she would be surrounded by many native americans right?

Also she never have shown any proof of that she's really who she claims she is...

I do like the message she gives, but if it's backed up by false claims, i don't approve it



I liked her soft spoken ways, she looks very authentic and her words gave me a warm feeling, but an admission fee of € 39 to listen to her for a couple of hours, seems pretty steep to me...I am wondering wether there is a moneymaking side to this lady..if thre is, I would be very dissapointed....



But hey,maybe that's my problem...I am being too cynical, always have been, I should probably stop that and une my energy for positive things instead of negative...gonna give it a try...

Show me her CDIB card.

May the Great Spirit Bless you

Take Care
Tann



Pretty irrelevant I think. Anyone who uses shamanic techniques (which medicine men/women also use.. drumming, dancing, fasting, entheogens, etc) to create a shamanic trance and to use that trance to heal others, is a shamanic practitioner. We all get lost in titles and names and this or that and forget to look back and see the big picture. This woman practices shamanism, has nothing to do with whether she is native American or not. We are all in this together, why focus on the differences when there are so many similarities that bring us together.



No disrespect to you but I find it disrespectful what she is doing. Claiming to be a Native American wisdom keeper then calling yourself a shaman with some of the new age twink shit that is being used. People hear prophecies all the time and think they understand what they mean. People need to quit trying to hijack Native American spirituality for their own gain.

May the Great Spirit Bless you

Take Care
Tann

I am so disheartened by this thread. I am by birth "white" but have much love and respect for many cultures and traditions and find this idea that I don't know anyhing by the color of my skin as offensive and white man's need to dominate all cultures. Until we all accept each other there is no hope. ONly love can heal.

I am fascinated by the responses coming from other countries who do not know the real Ameridian culture here in America…



I suggest you to travel elsewhere and live a little time with these indigenous people ... instead of “travelling” on internet…

This suggestion is applied to all regions of the world ... to really know the reality that people live ...

I am so disheartened by this thread. I am by birth "white" but have much love and respect for many cultures and traditions and find this idea that I don't know anyhing by the color of my skin as offensive and white man's need to dominate all cultures. Until we all accept each other there is no hope. ONly love can heal.

Maybe you are but speaking for yourself?

Maybe you are but speaking for yourself?



You are right like each of us…

I certainly understand your point of view but it seems that all the "Elders" may have decided to disclose much more information through Kiesha saying that the earth is undergoing enormous of disasters such as the Gulf of Mexico and his suite ...

Personally, I am convinced that all the disasters that happen on Earth are connected to all the emotions that each of us currently living on earth ...

So the reason I love Kiesha Crowther, is that she manages to make the link between our physical body, our soul and the Great Creator ...

we are All One...

Thus, the function of the NAFPS forum is to keep upright that which has been in line with thousands of years of knowledge passed on over the generations that is not ever going to be matched by solely saying something like: "But I love all nations" because that's missing the point.

If, instead of being 'disheartened' you are truly interested in understanding why the Native Americans do not want outsiders meddle with & distort their traditions, this link might shed some light on it.

[link to www.newagefraud.org]

WRONG. REAL Native peoples NEVER teach white people anything. That is because you white people DON'T GET IT.

Any Native person that teaches white people Native culture does not have the blessing of their tribe, I GUARANTEE YOU. They are TRAITORS.

Go research it if you don't fucking believe.

Fuck, I hate you white people. Stealing our land wasn't enough, now you have to fucking steal our religion and culture. When the end of the world comes, you will all be paying for your sins and we will not be helping you. You've all helped to destroy this planet and you all treat non-whites like dirt. Fuck you all. The Creator will be recycling your souls, you're all so dirty.

Also, please note that no real medicine men/women would take on a white person as a student. They will not teach white people, period.

This Crowther person probably read a few books and maybe spoke with a few real medicine people, and then took it upon herself to call herself a "shaman". One cannot randomly decide that one is a "shaman" or a "medicine" person; you are told you are one and given the medicine man/woman title by elders of a Native nation.

[link to www.angelfire.com]

The Case Against "Shamans" In North American
Indigenous Cultures

Shamanism is not the same thing as Native American spirituality.

The word shaman, used internationally, has its origin in manchú-tangu and has reached the ethnologic vocabulary through Russian. The word originated from saman (xaman), derived from the verb scha-, "to know", so shaman means someone who knows, is wise, a sage. Further ethnologic investigations shows that the true origin for the word Shaman can be tracked from the Sanskrit initially, then through Chinese-Buddhist mediation to the manchú-tangu, indicating a much deeper but now overlooked connection between early Buddhism and Shamanism generally. In Pali it is schamana, in Sanskrit sramana translated to something like "buddhist monk, ascetic". The intermediate Chinese term is scha-men (source). It has been adopted into the English speaking world not unlike words such as kayak for example, but when it is used to describe Native American holy men or women it can be offensive to traditional Natives and their Elders.

Below are excerpts from a number of articles I have selected (with links to the originals) clarifying the above paragraph. I have several Shaman related pages that support and link through to my Zen pages and the following excerpts are presented to ensure all who may be interested where I stand and that what is offered, presented, or linked to is not intended to cross into sacred areas. It should also be clarified that, even though I am in agreement with contents of the articles presented, in no way is their appearance here intended to imply an endorsement by the authors of MY Shaman related links or philosophy.

My Uncle was well accepted by most spiritual members of the indigenous people of the desert southwest he interacted with as a person at one with the Earth. He was married to a Native American of the Little Shell Plains Ojibwe who was a fourth level Midewiwin medicine woman that was held in awe by most that came within her presence. He himself moved with an almost cloak-like and uncanny nearly invisible ability, passing among people and places without disturbing the environment. Some say he was a Cloud Shaman and it may very well be the case. However, for the most part, he felt it was an impropriety to usurp for ones own gain or any other reason the traditional spiritual realms of others. Plain speaking, from a very young age I was, by example, both shown and taught by my father and uncle two very basic concepts: "When walking in the woods, never leave tracks," and "when you depart from a campground, always leave it better than you found it." Both concepts, although worded specifically in context, were meant to be expanded to the world and ones life as a whole, the philosophy meshing perfectly in my later teen years when I began study practice of Zen under the auspices of my Mentor.

It should be brought to the attention of those who may have an interest as well, that the word Shaman is meant to mean in the English language, by definition, that a Shaman so indentified, understands that ALL things have a spirit, which inturn would imply within that definition, that each of our words and thoughts are thus endowed. As I have treated the words of the authors below appropriately, so too, it is hoped the spirits of my words are granted an equal treatment. I bow in deference....

She is half Sioux

FYI, Native Americans don't have "shamans". They have "medicine men" and "medicine women". That's how I know this white girl wannabe "Indian" is a complete FAKE. She is just another New Age fraud, just another white person who is stealing and exploiting another race's culture.

[link to newagefraud.org]

FYI, Native Americans don't have "shamans". They have "medicine men" and "medicine women". That's how I know this white girl wannabe "Indian" is a complete FAKE. She is just another New Age fraud, just another white person who is stealing and exploiting another race's culture.

[link to newagefraud.org]

Quote from Crowther's 'rebuttal' written by her anonymous ghost-writer:

"I personally have witnessed Kiesha receive teaching messages in Sioux (which she does not speak) from ancestors past."


This is channeling. Channeling is phooey to put it mildly and DOES NOT come from a higher source.

WRONG. REAL Native peoples NEVER teach white people anything. That is because you white people DON'T GET IT.

Any Native person that teaches white people Native culture does not have the blessing of their tribe, I GUARANTEE YOU. They are TRAITORS.

Go research it if you don't fucking believe.

Fuck, I hate you white people. Stealing our land wasn't enough, now you have to fucking steal our religion and culture. When the end of the world comes, you will all be paying for your sins and we will not be helping you. You've all helped to destroy this planet and you all treat non-whites like dirt. Fuck you all. The Creator will be recycling your souls, you're all so dirty.


Wow, talk about rage. Nobody "stole" your land. You lost it. If you could have defended it properly, you would still own it. Move on with your life, your rage will sicken you.

As far as Native American's "teaching" us anything, If this is what you have to teach, you can keep it to yourself.

FYI, Native Americans don't have "shamans". They have "medicine men" and "medicine women". That's how I know this white girl wannabe "Indian" is a complete FAKE. She is just another New Age fraud, just another white person who is stealing and exploiting another race's culture.

[link to newagefraud.org]

can anyone whos seed the vids give a brief summary for the bandwidth challenged among us?

true shamans don't use the net that much.

I am fascinated by the responses coming from other countries who do not know the real Ameridian culture here in America…

true shamans don't use the net that much.


I love this.

I've been attacked here at GLP for pointing out this fraud. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking it.