2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther **Beware of false prophets**

And another one in which she gives answers to people asking her via internet

72min
[link to vimeo.com]

Thank you - I had seen the first two, but not the video cam one.

you re welcome, it s the most recent as far as I know

there is a radio show aswell here:
[link to www.blogtalkradio.com]

but I haven't listenned to it yet

Anyway, I m surprised there hasn't been any thread here before (or maybe I just haven't found it)
I guess it s not doomy enough ;)

Great Stuff.

Kind hearts are gardens,
Kind thoughts are roots,
Kind words are blossoms,
Kind deeds are fruits.

~ Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

great thread - thank you for keeping those informed

I found her links here:
[link to www.fredpajorden.se]


[link to vimeo.com]

[link to vimeo.com]

FYI, Native Americans don't have "shamans". They have "medicine men" and "medicine women". That's how I know this white girl wannabe "Indian" is a complete FAKE. She is just another New Age fraud, just another white person who is stealing and exploiting another race's culture.

[link to newagefraud.org]

Also, please note that no real medicine men/women would take on a white person as a student. They will not teach white people, period.

This Crowther person probably read a few books and maybe spoke with a few real medicine people, and then took it upon herself to call herself a "shaman". One cannot randomly decide that one is a "shaman" or a "medicine" person; you are told you are one and given the medicine man/woman title by elders of a Native nation.

[link to www.angelfire.com]

The Case Against "Shamans" In North American
Indigenous Cultures

Shamanism is not the same thing as Native American spirituality.

The word shaman, used internationally, has its origin in manchú-tangu and has reached the ethnologic vocabulary through Russian. The word originated from saman (xaman), derived from the verb scha-, "to know", so shaman means someone who knows, is wise, a sage. Further ethnologic investigations shows that the true origin for the word Shaman can be tracked from the Sanskrit initially, then through Chinese-Buddhist mediation to the manchú-tangu, indicating a much deeper but now overlooked connection between early Buddhism and Shamanism generally. In Pali it is schamana, in Sanskrit sramana translated to something like "buddhist monk, ascetic". The intermediate Chinese term is scha-men (source). It has been adopted into the English speaking world not unlike words such as kayak for example, but when it is used to describe Native American holy men or women it can be offensive to traditional Natives and their Elders.

Below are excerpts from a number of articles I have selected (with links to the originals) clarifying the above paragraph. I have several Shaman related pages that support and link through to my Zen pages and the following excerpts are presented to ensure all who may be interested where I stand and that what is offered, presented, or linked to is not intended to cross into sacred areas. It should also be clarified that, even though I am in agreement with contents of the articles presented, in no way is their appearance here intended to imply an endorsement by the authors of MY Shaman related links or philosophy.

My Uncle was well accepted by most spiritual members of the indigenous people of the desert southwest he interacted with as a person at one with the Earth. He was married to a Native American of the Little Shell Plains Ojibwe who was a fourth level Midewiwin medicine woman that was held in awe by most that came within her presence. He himself moved with an almost cloak-like and uncanny nearly invisible ability, passing among people and places without disturbing the environment. Some say he was a Cloud Shaman and it may very well be the case. However, for the most part, he felt it was an impropriety to usurp for ones own gain or any other reason the traditional spiritual realms of others. Plain speaking, from a very young age I was, by example, both shown and taught by my father and uncle two very basic concepts: "When walking in the woods, never leave tracks," and "when you depart from a campground, always leave it better than you found it." Both concepts, although worded specifically in context, were meant to be expanded to the world and ones life as a whole, the philosophy meshing perfectly in my later teen years when I began study practice of Zen under the auspices of my Mentor.

It should be brought to the attention of those who may have an interest as well, that the word Shaman is meant to mean in the English language, by definition, that a Shaman so indentified, understands that ALL things have a spirit, which inturn would imply within that definition, that each of our words and thoughts are thus endowed. As I have treated the words of the authors below appropriately, so too, it is hoped the spirits of my words are granted an equal treatment. I bow in deference....

No mention of her on the site as being a fraud.

She is half Sioux

have you watched the videos ?
you might understand more her background...

there s a written interview here, i copy paste an excerpt

[link to www.mysterious-america.net]

"“Little Grandmother” was made a shaman recently at age 30. The daughter of a white father and a Sioux/Salish mother, she grew up in a small farming community in southern Colorado, disconnected from indigenous traditions on the reservation of her people. "


So she was chosen by the elder and she is half native as far as her body is concerned

but anyway, if you don't trust her, anything she says won't convince you in any way... so be it...

Last Edited by Hermit 2.0 on 06/04/2010 04:43 PM

Lol right so I guess I didn't meet and study with a native from the Caribbean who was a shaman...because they don't exist as you say...I guess it was just my imagination, oh and I imagined all the people on the island who knew him too right?

last bump for today

True enough, "shaman" is a finno-ugric word originating with the Karelian people of present day Finland.

I too am skeptical of this garden variety breed of neuromancer. I've been around several and they fell far short in daily life of anything extraordinary.

Sorry....I was so excited to hear this woman the first time I saw this series of videos. To my complete disappointment, she lost me when she started talking about how the destruction of the US was necessary and that when the Chinese were ruling our country, it wouldn't be a bad thing...."it's gon' be alright." I felt at that point, that she may be under some sort of mind control - which would also explain her blank stare, the cadence of her speech, and her pedantic demeanor.

Well, if you look at who owns the US debt, you can imagine a lot from there to where it could go...

anyway, I said earlier it s not doomy, but it kinda is if you have some kind of huge power (be it economic, politic or religious) because all will fall

A thing I really liked in this video, is that she mentions Tesla, as I think that if he had had more support he could probably have turned our modern life as an utopian scifi landscape

you should have a look to the parody

New radio interview June 14, 2010 :

[link to www.cosmic-heart.net]

The one and only 'frauds' roaming this planet are the khazars who say they are jews and think they have the right to live in the state of Israel, which is created with help from the Nazis, funded by other (fake) jewish bankers.

The time draws near for these frauds. Karma is upon these souls of black.

YOU AGAIN! ALWAYS SPREADING THE UGLY TRUTH!! YOU KNOW ABOUT FAKES CUS YOU ARE A FAKE!!!!

Does anyone know if she is a vegetarian?
In my humble opinion and knowledge anyone who loved animals would not dream of killing one for any reason. Not even for food as the human body does not need meat, in fact meat is unhealthy and digested with difficulty, using up a lot of energy. There is absolutely nothing in meat that cannot be found in a vegetable, fruit or herb anyway.
Live food versus dead food.. my instinct says live food.
Peace