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question for rapture belivers (before shtf)
if the oil spill s bible prohecy then how come your not gone?

wouldnt this be a disaster god would "protect" you from?

o wait mabe before martial law gets implemented?
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Because God doesn't want them either.
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What? That makes no sense.
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What? That makes no sense.
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Sure it does. They are idiots. The Bible says nothing about the Rapture. The Rapture is a fallacy created by the church, i.e. mankind. God doesn't want idiots in Heaven. They bring down the property values.
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What? That makes no sense.
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well the christians who belive this is bible prohecy and belive they will be raptured before these prophecys take place dosnt make sense to me
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What? That makes no sense.

well the christians who belive this is bible prohecy and belive they will be raptured before these prophecys take place dosnt make sense to me
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Well, I have not seen anything that would indicate this oil spill is 'the sign' people are to look for before a rapture. Perhaps people come up with all sorts of things in this age of confusion. As for the rapture being true or untrue, that is not really worth arguing about. Is it?
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What? That makes no sense.

well the christians who belive this is bible prohecy and belive they will be raptured before these prophecys take place dosnt make sense to me


Well, I have not seen anything that would indicate this oil spill is 'the sign' people are to look for before a rapture. Perhaps people come up with all sorts of things in this age of confusion. As for the rapture being true or untrue, that is not really worth arguing about. Is it?
 Quoting: Capt. Dusty

well i would looooove to know what the sighn would be. before the first trumpet? seal? what?
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well i would looooove to know what the sighn would be. before the first trumpet? seal? what?
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EAT making an accurate prediction would surely be a sign.
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well i would looooove to know what the sighn would be. before the first trumpet? seal? what?


EAT making an accurate prediction would surely be a sign.
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This.
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What? That makes no sense.

well the christians who belive this is bible prohecy and belive they will be raptured before these prophecys take place dosnt make sense to me


Well, I have not seen anything that would indicate this oil spill is 'the sign' people are to look for before a rapture. Perhaps people come up with all sorts of things in this age of confusion. As for the rapture being true or untrue, that is not really worth arguing about. Is it?
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Prophecy Rock




We Are All Related By Dr. Allen Ross

(excerpt) for entire article click here


"The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

"This is the First Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder.

"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. In his youth, my father saw this prophecy come true with his eyes -- the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies."

"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his eyes -- the coming of the white men's cattle."

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron."

"This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web."

"This is the Sixth sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun."

"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it."

"This is the Eight Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom.

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.

"These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying.

"Many of my people, understanding the prophecies, shall be safe. Those who stay and live in the places of my people also shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon -- very soon afterward -- Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in their hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World.


* * * * God's indiginous people knew the signs.... and the rapture is not about saving people before the radical changes for many souls came in to expereince them, it is leaving them with the New Earth that is cleansed.
Do not get me wrong, many plan to die.
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if the oil spill s bible prohecy then how come your not gone?

wouldnt this be a disaster god would "protect" you from?

o wait mabe before martial law gets implemented?
 Quoting: rachel 529732


1) You would have to actually believe that the "bible" was a reliable source of information for the past, or the present.

2) This is a Freewill Zone. You were (stupid/brave?) enough to be born on Earth now just because it was a place where "God" would NOT "protect" you. You didn't have to be born here on Earth at this time. You came because you wanted to experience the possibilities of the SHTF.

3) Look around you. There are SHTF events in ALL places in the world, yet I don't see any mass "raptures" taking place any time soon.

4) Karma's a bitch. The Controlling Powers have nuked, war'd, Martial Law'd, depleted uranium'd, H1N1'd, weaponized and ecologically screwed most of the world while debt-slaving, energy-slaving and subjugating most of the population. Like Atlantis in the past, it was only a matter of time before the Elites shot themselves in the foot, so to speak, because of their general lack of Spiritually and care for the human population. The Gulf disaster could be the start of Atlantis two-point-zero.
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What? That makes no sense.

well the christians who belive this is bible prohecy and belive they will be raptured before these prophecys take place dosnt make sense to me


Well, I have not seen anything that would indicate this oil spill is 'the sign' people are to look for before a rapture. Perhaps people come up with all sorts of things in this age of confusion. As for the rapture being true or untrue, that is not really worth arguing about. Is it?

well i would looooove to know what the sighn would be. before the first trumpet? seal? what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 529732



Satan gets kicked out of heaven full of wrath. You will see his wrath first.


The rapture occurs just prior to God's wrath. The Day of the Lord is announced at the 6th Seal....then you have the rapture.....then you have God's wrath as described in the 7th Seal.

The Sign is the whole world will go dark (pitch black 24 hours per day) for awhile.....perhaps months. Then the sign of the Lord will occur and be obvious to all......a bright flash of light that goes from the east horizon to the west. This occurs as part of the 6th Seal.
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What? That makes no sense.

well the christians who belive this is bible prohecy and belive they will be raptured before these prophecys take place dosnt make sense to me


Well, I have not seen anything that would indicate this oil spill is 'the sign' people are to look for before a rapture. Perhaps people come up with all sorts of things in this age of confusion. As for the rapture being true or untrue, that is not really worth arguing about. Is it?

well i would looooove to know what the sighn would be. before the first trumpet? seal? what?
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Why?

You do realize human beings don't have those exact answers? Right?

We can only know what God has revealed thus far. Don't you agree?

People only add and perpetuate confusion to a very clear message.

Is it not best to seek God instead of the so called 'wisdom' of man if you have questions?

No?
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What? That makes no sense.

well the christians who belive this is bible prohecy and belive they will be raptured before these prophecys take place dosnt make sense to me


Well, I have not seen anything that would indicate this oil spill is 'the sign' people are to look for before a rapture. Perhaps people come up with all sorts of things in this age of confusion. As for the rapture being true or untrue, that is not really worth arguing about. Is it?

well i would looooove to know what the sighn would be. before the first trumpet? seal? what?


Why?

You do realize human beings don't have those exact answers? Right?

We can only know what God has revealed thus far. Don't you agree?

People only add and perpetuate confusion to a very clear message.

Is it not best to seek God instead of the so called 'wisdom' of man if you have questions?

No?
 Quoting: Capt. Dusty

yes
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What? That makes no sense.

well the christians who belive this is bible prohecy and belive they will be raptured before these prophecys take place dosnt make sense to me


Well, I have not seen anything that would indicate this oil spill is 'the sign' people are to look for before a rapture. Perhaps people come up with all sorts of things in this age of confusion. As for the rapture being true or untrue, that is not really worth arguing about. Is it?

well i would looooove to know what the sighn would be. before the first trumpet? seal? what?


Why?

You do realize human beings don't have those exact answers? Right?

We can only know what God has revealed thus far. Don't you agree?

People only add and perpetuate confusion to a very clear message.

Is it not best to seek God instead of the so called 'wisdom' of man if you have questions?

No?

yes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 529732


LOL.

I think so.

But, honestly I am not surprised there are some saying the oil spill is 'it.' This spill is a tragedy of course, and I believe a warning and a definite signal of the times. Personally, I believe the spill is only a small event in terms of what is yet to come. Now, that is an opinion but it is based in what I understand that God has indicated quite clearly are the definitive events that will shape the Tribulation. A preview of coming attractions, the likes of which we cannot imagine. It is an opportunity for people to open their eyes as well. God warns prior to any serious judgement. That is his pattern and his method consistently. Since he is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, we can know he does not change. Change suggests imperfection that needs improvement or correcting. I am of the belief God is perfect already, in all his ways.

Are you in a hurry to get out of here?
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how is the oil spill bible prophecy? i dont recall reading anywhere in the bible that the gulf of mexico will be covered in oil, and oil washing up in louisiana.
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how is the oil spill bible prophecy? i dont recall reading anywhere in the bible that the gulf of mexico will be covered in oil, and oil washing up in louisiana.
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God will do greater than man, but the things that happen today show us what is coming. We live in a threatening time. It is wise to turn to God.

And in the morning, 'There will be a storm today, for the sky is red and threatening.' Do you know how to discern the appearance of the sky, but cannot discern the signs of the times? -Matthew 16:3
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so if this is the second trumpet you rapture belivers (before shtf) missed your boat lol
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Re: question for rapture belivers (before shtf)
if the oil spill s bible prohecy then how come your not gone?

wouldnt this be a disaster god would "protect" you from?

o wait mabe before martial law gets implemented?
 Quoting: rachel 529732

Jesus told the disciples that in the end time prior to when the rapture occurred that we would expect many things: famines, earthquakes, wars, rumors of wars, nation will rise against nation and there will also be pestilences. (Matthew 24)

The rapture does not depend on an event, it depends on a number. Paul said that the rapture will not occur until the Church has fulfilled its intended number (Romans 11:25). No one knows tha number, not even Jesus but God only. (Mt 24:36)

Jesus said that we should not be ignorant of the season, though, and told us to watch (Mt 24:42). That is partially, in my opinion, so that we can share the Gospel with increased fervor as we see the number of signs coming upon us. And, of course, since God is merciful, it is so that many would repent. 2 Peter 3:9 says "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." Haitians repented in droves after their earthquake.

He will save us from the Tribulation (1 Thess 5:9) - those are the judgments. But the judgments have not started yet. These things we are experiencing are part of the price for living in a fallen world. And, they are the warnings.
"From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
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thanks for that reply.

if these are warnings then wow
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so we have to go through all this horrible stuff ?\
i was expecting to be raptured before tshtf
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so we have to go through all this horrible stuff ?\
i was expecting to be raptured before tshtf
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Jesus never said that Christians would be immune to catastrophes...the first century Christians were tarred and lit on fire for the Emperor's garden torches. Christians in the Middle ages went thru the bubonic plague. Christians in Africa are regularly machete'd for their faith and in Arab nations, beheaded...

BUT!! We WILL be saved from the wrath (judgments). We WILL be raptured before TSHTF, and it hasn't hit yet, so that gives you some idea if what is in store for those who do not believe. And yes, if you think it's bad now, and it is, it is going to get exponentially worse. Jesus Himself said that it will be so bad that if he had not cut short the days, no man would be left alive. He said that it will be so bad that the world has never seen such suffering as that which will come, and never will again. Take heart, Christians! His footsteps are resounding in the halls of Heaven as we speak, and our time on this planet draws to a close. Listen, watch, and look up!

Hang on, He is coming soon, and until He does, take hold of His promises to be with us every day. He is the same God that is on the mountain that is with us when we are in the valleys! Our peace and certainty in His promises will be a Light that cannot be hid to those who do not believe. YOU and I are the directional signals (pointing to Him) in this increasingly tumultuous world. Be bright!

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^ this!!!^
If you break my wings, I will just find a cloud and learn to fly again. The Lord will catch you when you fall or teach you to fly! May the footprints I leave lead you to BELIEVE.
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I have studied for many years and have gone at it with an open heart.

There is nothing I found that would suggest us do gooder christians to be whisked away.


It's quite the contrary.


We are in for the long haul.
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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It's a nice thought, that God will protect you. But the truth is, God is fake, and nothing will protect you but yourself.
"And as things fell apart, nobody paid much attention"
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I have studied for many years and have gone at it with an open heart.

There is nothing I found that would suggest us do gooder christians to be whisked away.


It's quite the contrary.


We are in for the long haul.
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!

I agree 100 percent. I'm positive this is where psalms 91 would come in.

I'm also positive the bible says to pray god deems you worthy to escape the wrath. I think he meant psalms 91 as his promise if we are worthy.

imagine how disapointed many are or will be.

I belive earth goes through cycles and have contemplated and prayed for dicernment and I gotta say

911 was terror and that's in end times prohecy.

oil rig disaster is not natural

some are just not meant or ready to see the truth.
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I have studied for many years and have gone at it with an open heart.

There is nothing I found that would suggest us do gooder christians to be whisked away.


It's quite the contrary.


We are in for the long haul.
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!


Studying with an open heart is a dangerous thing. For the heart is desperately wicked above all things, who can know it? Jer 17:9. But if you ASK the Holy Spirit for wisdom, it shall be given without rebuke Eph 1:17 and James 1:5. Study in HIS strength and wisdom and all things will be opened to you.

In your studies, perhaps you missed 1 Thessalonians 5:9. Or missed 1 Corinthians 15:51-. Or missed Revelation 5. There are many places where implicitly and explicitly the rapture is stated

No person is "good" and no one is "gooder" as you say it, than anyone else. We're all sinners, the only difference being that some are forgiven and some who have not asked, are not. However His mercy is great and we are not appointed to wrath. When the wrath begins in Rev 6 as it plainly states, we will not be here. Unbelievers will be in for the long haul. Believers will be raptured away off planet and so we will be with Him where He is. John 14:3

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if you were God would you really want all these white trash in heaven?????????? I don't think so.
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Satan gets kicked out of heaven full of wrath. You will see his wrath first.


The rapture occurs just prior to God's wrath. The Day of the Lord is announced at the 6th Seal....then you have the rapture.....then you have God's wrath as described in the 7th Seal.


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i think harpazo occurs as satan and the angels are thrown down here.

we go up.
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The rapture is false doctrine.

False Bible interpretation. The Christians who believe they will be raptured away the the Tribulation are going to be shocked.

There is not such thing as a rapture. It was created by a bunch of rich Christians who could not believe "they" would have to be involved with the Tribulation.
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I think this Gulf Disaster is a result of man's foolishness or intentional. Not from God.

I think we will go through suffering but not God's wrath.
You'll know God's wrath when you see it.

I believe we will be raptured out before that happens. There is a verse that keeps coming to my mind and that is
"Who can make war against the Beast?" ETC...We already have this disaster in the gulf...I think we will see war and have to get to a point where the world sees something happen and marvels after the Beast. I don't know the timeline...

One thing that also keeps going through my mind is a map I saw of the United States with the Mississippi River enlarged and going into the Gulf of Mexico. It's nagging me. I wonder if this is how we will become the North American Union...I think our lives are about to change.

I think we are going to experience the United States being reduced to nothing but chaos in short order.





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