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I used to be a Christian

 
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God is not whatever you want to make him. God reveals himself to us in his Word, the Bible. His character is found in his law, the Ten Commandments.
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I was never a Christian, though.


HA! SO YOU ADMIT IT!

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I've always admitted to that.
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King James Bible
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Epic Fail OP, it is impossible to separate yourself if you are saved you can do NOTHING to separate yourself from the mercy of Christ. Not only that if you are saved you would never intentionally hurt or sin against another, but if you do you will quickly feel the need to confess it and repent.
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and you use to be saved



2 Peter 2:20-22

For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ďA dog returns to his own vomit,Ē and, ďa sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.Ē



Sorry to say if you left Yeshua then you were never His to begin with...


John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice....and I know them ...and they follow me.
And I give them eternal life....and they shall never perish....neither shall any man pluck them from My Fatherís hand.
My Father gave them to me....is greater than all...no man is able to pluck them out of the Fatherís hand.

You need to reevaluate your previous standing with God and do some soul searching.



OP, you were NEVER a Christian. You may "think" you were, but you couldn't have been.


Some folks should have just been smothered at birth, their too stupid to continue on!!
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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


HardTruth. Mr. Complainer! The christians say hateful things, they condemn people. Blah, Blah, Blah. You just called a group of people stupid and said they should have been MURDERED at birth.

EXPLAIN TO US ALL HOW YOU ARE SO DIFFERENT AND ENLIGHTENED????

You are a HYPOCRITE!!!!! The nerve of this one who knows so much about the universe, how old it is, blah blah blah.

YOU ARE JUST LIKE THEM!!!
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2 Peter 2:20-22

For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ďA dog returns to his own vomit,Ē and, ďa sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.Ē



Sorry to say if you left Yeshua then you were never His to begin with...


John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice....and I know them ...and they follow me.
And I give them eternal life....and they shall never perish....neither shall any man pluck them from My Fatherís hand.
My Father gave them to me....is greater than all...no man is able to pluck them out of the Fatherís hand.

You need to reevaluate your previous standing with God and do some soul searching.



OP, you were NEVER a Christian. You may "think" you were, but you couldn't have been.


Some folks should have just been smothered at birth, their too stupid to continue on!!
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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!


HardTruth. Mr. Complainer! The christians say hateful things, they condemn people. Blah, Blah, Blah. You just called a group of people stupid and said they should have been MURDERED at birth.

EXPLAIN TO US ALL HOW YOU ARE SO DIFFERENT AND ENLIGHTENED????

You are a HYPOCRITE!!!!! The nerve of this one who knows so much about the universe, how old it is, blah blah blah.

YOU ARE JUST LIKE THEM!!!
 Quoting: Uh, OK 385444



If you're going to try and rattle my chains, at least do it correctly!!
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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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God is not whatever you want to make him. God reveals himself to us in his Word, the Bible. His character is found in his law, the Ten Commandments.
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Actually, if we're going by scripture, Hebrews tells us that Christ is the "express image" (Greek = charakter) of God. He also said "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father".

And the Law consists of more that just the big ten.

Just sayin'.
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I am a Christian and I believe the things you believe...

God loves you... he doesn't withdraw his love when you 'sin' and lavish it upon you when you keep his commandments..
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Good.
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You guys place attributes on this God you preach of like you KNOW he exists...


Hypocrites...straight the hell up...
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!

Ok,

I would love to hear your theory of life, the Universe and everything. (non-numeric answer please).
It is a great day to be alive!
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Feel better now?

Like taking a big dump?
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Sorry to say if you left Yeshua then you were never His to begin with...


John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice....and I know them ...and they follow me.
And I give them eternal life....and they shall never perish....neither shall any man pluck them from My Fatherís hand.
My Father gave them to me....is greater than all...no man is able to pluck them out of the Fatherís hand.

You need to reevaluate your previous standing with God and do some soul searching.
 Quoting: Spawn



Here is the thing about the bible, and quoting scripture.

This is a book written by men. It was decided by men what books chapters and verses to include, and which ones to exclude.

How do you know that you are getting the whole story?

It has been proven that there was human inhabitation of the planet well before the stories in the Bible.

There is evidence of a nuclear war between India and Pakistan 125,000 years ago.

What about the giants?

It touches on it in Genesis, but there was an entire book about the giants, that was excluded from the Bible, the book of Enoch. Why wasn't it in there?

So all I'm saying is that the Bible is a decent guide, and has some good stories, and parables ect, however it may not be complete.

And

I believe that some of the stories are from ancient Sumeria. Also I believe that the book of Revelation is actually a story about something that actually happened on the Earth in the past, and it is showing the end of the cycle. So maybe the India Pakistan nuke fest was what the bible was talking about in the book of Revelation.
It is a great day to be alive!
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Sorry to say if you left Yeshua then you were never His to begin with...


John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice....and I know them ...and they follow me.
And I give them eternal life....and they shall never perish....neither shall any man pluck them from My Fatherís hand.
My Father gave them to me....is greater than all...no man is able to pluck them out of the Fatherís hand.

You need to reevaluate your previous standing with God and do some soul searching.



Here is the thing about the bible, and quoting scripture.

This is a book written by men. It was decided by men what books chapters and verses to include, and which ones to exclude.

How do you know that you are getting the whole story?

It has been proven that there was human inhabitation of the planet well before the stories in the Bible.

There is evidence of a nuclear war between India and Pakistan 125,000 years ago.

What about the giants?

It touches on it in Genesis, but there was an entire book about the giants, that was excluded from the Bible, the book of Enoch. Why wasn't it in there?

So all I'm saying is that the Bible is a decent guide, and has some good stories, and parables ect, however it may not be complete.

And

I believe that some of the stories are from ancient Sumeria. Also I believe that the book of Revelation is actually a story about something that actually happened on the Earth in the past, and it is showing the end of the cycle. So maybe the India Pakistan nuke fest was what the bible was talking about in the book of Revelation.
 Quoting: Doomologist


You're on the right track, question everything, and you're right about the many, many books intentionally left out to continue the agenda of dumbing down the masses by TPTB!!

Again you're correct about the book of Revelation, it is the telling of an ancient civilization and a cataclysmic Earth cycle, as well as being a blueprint for restoring what once was!!

See:

Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!
Thread: Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!
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Christians have to rationalize why someone would leave the faith.
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Christians have to rationalize why someone would leave the faith.
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Yep, and the religion has many built in safety valves and protocols to deal with those who finally do become enlightened and leave!!

It's kind of like Wiley Coyote and the Road Runner, the christians being Wiley of course, always putting obstacles out there trying to trip up the free minded!!

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He is pure love.

He doesn't want to burn people eternally for not accepting him.

He doesn't cause cataclysmic disasters because a certain group of people were "bad".

He gave us life.

He gave us a soul.

He gave us a place.

The rest is up to us. We must honor our creator by spreading life. This is what he wants.

We can either use the gifts we were given to end our species, or we can decide collectively to advance, and explore the vastness of the Universe.

No one is coming to save us.

Our fate is up to us.
 Quoting: Doomologist


Well good news is you're on the right track. Although you need make a couple more difficult realizations. Hell is an illusion of scripture used to manipulate the animal in man.

There is no eternal "punishment" only a system of rewards. For those that seek to follow after the will of our father creator the creator will reward them with eternal life. However for those that wish to follow after their only animalistic free will, their "reward" is upto themselves to achieve, and they can not. So at the end of their selfish run they will be thrown into the fires and made like they never were.

God doesn't create "bad" events to fall upon the heads of mankind. However shit does happen. Big scary events are about to take place, but this isn't a punshment. Physical planets of animalistic evolutionary life such as this is more likened to a farm where souls are grown. Sure the seeds of weeds have been mixed in but upon the harvest the souls will be collected and the weeds and the "shoots" physical body of animalistic evolutionary nature will be thrown into the fire.

If you're ready to make the jump into the absolute love of our creator father God then check out this book.
[link to urantiabook.org]
if the salt loses its savor, with what shall it be salted? [link to urantiabook.org]
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It's kind of like Wiley Coyote and the Road Runner, the christians being Wiley of course, always putting obstacles out there trying to trip up the free minded!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


And keeping those Acme sons o' bitches in business ;)
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christianô, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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It's kind of like Wiley Coyote and the Road Runner, the christians being Wiley of course, always putting obstacles out there trying to trip up the free minded!!


And keeping those Acme sons o' bitches in business ;)
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)


LOL....For real!!
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I believe in 2 realities - What we refer to as the physical reality and all its dimensions and the spiritual reality and all its dimensions!

Both are infinite and both are eternal!

God is ALL of it - both spiritual and physical!

We also are both spiritual and physical and throughout eternity weave in and out of both realities!

There was no beginning and there will be no end - only change!

When we exercise a loving nature - we draw love to ourselves.
When we exercise aggression - we attract aggression.
When we exercise peace - peace encompasses us.

I could go on!

Here I am merely stating what I believe and I am not suggesting that others should believe the same. Each of us has our personal journey to travel and we can only walk it alone. There may be others who are walking beside us but they can't walk for us.
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"...when you consider the question of a supreme being, you imagine a male personality with those abilities that you yourselves possess, with great emphasis upon qualities you admire.

This imagined god has therefore changed throughout your centuries, mirroring man's shifting ideas of himself. God was seen as cruel and powerful when man believed that these were desirable characteristics, needed particularly in his battle for physical survival. He projected these upon his idea of a god because he envied them and feared them. You have cast your idea of god, therefore, in your own image.

In a reality that is inconceivably multidimensional, the old God concepts are relatively meaningless. Even the term, a supreme being, is in itself distortive, for you
naturally project the qualities of human nature on it.

If I told you that God was an idea, you would not understand what I meant, for you do not understand the dimensions in which an idea has its reality, or the energy that it can originate and propel. You not believe in ideas in the same way that you believe in physical objects, so if I tell you that God is an idea, you will misinterpret this to that God is less than real - nebulous, without reality, without purpose, and without motive action.

Now your own physical image is the materialization of your idea of yourself within the properties of matter. Without the idea of yourself, your physical image would not be; yet often it is all you are aware of. The initial power and energy of that idea of yourself keeps your image alive. Ideas, then, are far more important than you realize.

If you will try to accept the idea that your own existence is multidimensional, that you dwell within the medium of infinite probabilities, then you may catch a slight glimpse of the reality that is behind the word "god," and you may understand why it is almost impossible to capture a true understanding of that concept in words.

"God", therefore, is first of all a creator, not of one physical universe but of an infinite variety of probable existences, far more vast than those aspects of the physical universe with which your scientists are familiar. He did not simply then send a son to live and die on one small planet. He is a part of all probabilities.

There have been parables told, and stories of beginnings. All of these have been attempts to transmit knowledge in as simple terms as possible. Often answers were given to questions that literally have no meaning outside of your own system of reality.

For example: There was no beginning, and there will be no end, yet parables have been given telling you of beginnings and endings simply because with your distorted ideas of time, beginnings and endings seem to be inseparable, valid events.

As you learn to turn the focus of your attention away from physical reality and therefore experience some slight evidence of other realities, your consciousness will cling to old ideas that make true explanations impossible for you to understand. Multidimensional awareness is available to you in your dreams, however, in some trance states, and often even beneath ordinary consciousness as you go about your day."

(from "Seth Speaks")

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Christians, lol.


Some people can't stay off the koolaid.
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But then I realized that it is all about control. Here is the thing that got me to understand. The thing that made change my mind. believe that there is an Almighty Creator of all things. He is not some guy with a beard that likes to punish people.

He is pure love.

He doesn't want to burn people eternally for not accepting him.

He doesn't cause cataclysmic disasters because a certain group of people were "bad".

He gave us life.

He gave us a soul.

He gave us a place.

The rest is up to us. We must honor our creator by spreading life. This is what he wants.

We can either use the gifts we were given to end our species, or we can decide collectively to advance, and explore the vastness of the Universe.

No one is coming to save us.

Our fate is up to us.
 Quoting: Doomologist


If I may, allow me to comment on your statements with my own:

1.
"But then I realized that it is all about control".

WRONG! It is about TRUTH.

2.
"I am not an athiest".

You are either an athiest or a believer in God. There is no middle of the road.

3.
"He is not some guy with a beard that likes to punish people."

CORRECT! There is no Bible record of God having a beard.

4.
"He is pure love."

CORRECT!

5.
"He doesn't want to burn people eternally for not accepting him."

CORRECT! We do that ourselves when we CHOOSE to live in the eternal place that was prepared for the devil and all his demons.

6.
"He doesn't cause cataclysmic disasters because a certain group of people were "bad".

CORRECT! When it rains in New Your City, everyone gets wet, the good and the bad.

7.
"He gave us life."

Correct!

8.
"He gave us a soul."

CORRECT!

9.
"He gave us a place."

CORRECT!

10.
"We must honor our creator by spreading life. This is what he wants."

CORRECT! Actually that is what He told Adam and Eve to do...
"Go and populate the earth".

11.
"No one is coming to save us. Our fate is up to us."

INCORRECT!
Life is how we lived it or how we are living it still. Our destiny depends on the choices we make in our life. One thing for sure, when God created us, He blessed each one of us with a beautiful, worth while living life.

Most oftenly, we refuse to see God's intention for us. We humans are so impulsive that we want to work things on our own and forget to discern what God's desire for us really is, thus in the end we end up astray and homeless and worst we stretch out our finger and put the blame to our creator without realizing that it is our choices in life that led us to destruction.

Then when all goes wrong we BLAME GOD FOR IT!!!

Look around you today.

The jails are full.
The hospitals are full.
The mental institutions are full.
There are wars being fought all over the earth.
Children are giving birth to children.
Homosexuals are getting married.
A man gets out jail before his victim gets out of hospital.

CHOICES!!!! The only way to know what the GOOD choices are is to read and study the Bible!!!!
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He is pure love.

He doesn't want to burn people eternally for not accepting him.

He doesn't cause cataclysmic disasters because a certain group of people were "bad".

He gave us life.

He gave us a soul.

He gave us a place.

The rest is up to us. We must honor our creator by spreading life. This is what he wants.

We can either use the gifts we were given to end our species, or we can decide collectively to advance, and explore the vastness of the Universe.

No one is coming to save us.

Our fate is up to us.


Well good news is you're on the right track. Although you need make a couple more difficult realizations. Hell is an illusion of scripture used to manipulate the animal in man.

There is no eternal "punishment" only a system of rewards. For those that seek to follow after the will of our father creator the creator will reward them with eternal life. However for those that wish to follow after their only animalistic free will, their "reward" is upto themselves to achieve, and they can not. So at the end of their selfish run they will be thrown into the fires and made like they never were.

God doesn't create "bad" events to fall upon the heads of mankind. However shit does happen. Big scary events are about to take place, but this isn't a punshment. Physical planets of animalistic evolutionary life such as this is more likened to a farm where souls are grown. Sure the seeds of weeds have been mixed in but upon the harvest the souls will be collected and the weeds and the "shoots" physical body of animalistic evolutionary nature will be thrown into the fire.

If you're ready to make the jump into the absolute love of our creator father God then check out this book.
[link to urantiabook.org]
 Quoting: NoWhereMan

I hinted at it, but part of what I am saying is that there is no hell.

So we are in agreement.
It is a great day to be alive!
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"CHOICES!!!! The only way to know what the GOOD choices are is to read and study the Bible!!!!"

No, I'm sorry.

While the Bible can be helpful, it is also a stumbling block that impedes the path to true enlightenment. It is man made, incomplete, and a tool of TPTB to keep the Christian sheeple in line.
It is a great day to be alive!
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He is pure love.

He doesn't want to burn people eternally for not accepting him.

He doesn't cause cataclysmic disasters because a certain group of people were "bad".

He gave us life.

He gave us a soul.

He gave us a place.

The rest is up to us. We must honor our creator by spreading life. This is what he wants.

We can either use the gifts we were given to end our species, or we can decide collectively to advance, and explore the vastness of the Universe.

No one is coming to save us.

Our fate is up to us.


Well good news is you're on the right track. Although you need make a couple more difficult realizations. Hell is an illusion of scripture used to manipulate the animal in man.

There is no eternal "punishment" only a system of rewards. For those that seek to follow after the will of our father creator the creator will reward them with eternal life. However for those that wish to follow after their only animalistic free will, their "reward" is upto themselves to achieve, and they can not. So at the end of their selfish run they will be thrown into the fires and made like they never were.

God doesn't create "bad" events to fall upon the heads of mankind. However shit does happen. Big scary events are about to take place, but this isn't a punshment. Physical planets of animalistic evolutionary life such as this is more likened to a farm where souls are grown. Sure the seeds of weeds have been mixed in but upon the harvest the souls will be collected and the weeds and the "shoots" physical body of animalistic evolutionary nature will be thrown into the fire.

If you're ready to make the jump into the absolute love of our creator father God then check out this book.
[link to urantiabook.org]

I hinted at it, but part of what I am saying is that there is no hell.

So we are in agreement.
 Quoting: Doomologist


Just out of curiosity, and I ask only in the interest of promoting thought here, do you believe in a heaven where all the good boys and girls go?

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1.
"But then I realized that it is all about control".

WRONG! It is about TRUTH.

2.
"I am not an athiest".

You are either an athiest or a believer in God. There is no middle of the road.
 Quoting: Major 647112


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God is not whatever you want to make him. God reveals himself to us in his Word, the Bible. His character is found in his law, the Ten Commandments.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009145


Yeah, some character. His first commandment is that we worship no other God but him. Jealous much? I think it says a lot about the Christian God that he made this the first one.

The first and only commandment should have been, do unto others as you'd have done unto you. You know, love your neighbor as yourself and all that.

But he has his priorities. rolleyes





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