If you can't grasp the simple law of evolution..you are retarded

Well neither Energy nor Matter are Eternal at the quantum level. So yes, OUR UNIVERSE has a definite starting point and a definite end point. Even if our ancestors survived the future to a point where the universe had simply cooled and lost adhesion. Our FAR, FAR off ancestors would themselves be made of very lackluster material.

Thank you. If energy as we know it has a finite "lifespan", or a beginning and an end, and if OUR UNIVERSE had a starting point, how did it start and why? What energy did it start from? Thanks :)

Actually, intelligence is not required... (Luckily for most)

Evolution is about adaptability.

So be prepared to adapt to the following immediate challenge, which the dinosaurs did not adapt to so well.

Evolution is the inevitable consequence of the rules under which this Universe operates.

If one believes that the Universe was willed into existence than evolution is part of the plan.



So it's more important to feel good then to know the truth?


Cosmology is hardly a 'hole' in the science of biology.
The Universe quite evidently exists.


The Universe quite evidently exists.
Why it exists is outside the field of study of biology.


It does not matter to the science of biology.
Biological entities quite evidently exist.


Science knows that it doesn't know everything. Otherwise it'd stop.


The truth is non-negotiable.

And what does biological evolution have to do with cosmology anyway?


Start with search term cosmology.

And proof is for mathematicians.



So is the Theory of Gravity.

Do you leave your house through the bedroom window?



Theories are never proved.

But: "A Theory, when advanced by a competent scientist, is an elaborate and detailed attempt to account for a series of otherwise disconnected and apparently unrelated observations. It is based on numerous observations, close reasoning, and, where appropriate, careful mathematical deduction. To be successful, a theory must be confirmed by other scientists through numerous additional observations and tests and, where this is possible, must offer predictions that can be tested and confirmed. The Theory can be, and is, refined and improved as more and better observations are made.
What is a Theory not? It is not "a guess". - Isaac Asimov

The Theory of Gravity is an attempt to explain the observed fact that gravity exists.
The Theory of Adaptation by means of Natural Selection (i.e. 'Darwinism') is an attempt to explain the observation that evolution occurs.



No, they don't.

Biologists in general don't dabble in Cosmology.


oh, that sounds nice.
Now what does that mean?


This is the usual creationist strawman.
The science of biology doesn't require a god to work, it how ever doesn't say there is no god.
Science simple doesn't deal with metaphysics. It is not part of its field of study, which happens to be nature.



That's the pop culture version, not the real deal.

Search term: Planck Epoch.



Poppycock.

Life is not a closed system.



Oh, come on!

Even Ken Ham knows that that ain't true! [link to www.answersingenesis.org]

Beware, there are people out there who have no compunction about Lying-for-Jesus.
Lady Hope was one of them.



Only American protestant fundies (and Muslims), not most Christians.


"It is precisely because it is fashionable for Americans
to know no science, even though they may be well educated
otherwise, that they so easily fall prey to nonsense.
They thus become part of the armies of the night, the purveyors
of nitwittery, the retailers of intellectual junk food,
the feeders on mental cardboard, for their ignorance keeps
them from distinguishing nectar from sewage."
- Isaac Asimov

Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution: [link to www.talkorigins.org]

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lol.. scientist never could come up with a conclusion on evolution..they can't even properly conclude how some "dumb ancient uneducated native" built the pyramid when our technology's suppose to be "so advanced"..

thinkers like you wake up to find out everything your life's theoretical foundation have been based on is in acceleration going backwards on a slippery slope tring to upgrade to the past..

evolution is not a law...
it is a theory.

Sadly, O/P, with the phrasing of your gratuitously insulting and specious thread title, you reveal yourself falling very far short of the standard required by your boastful choice of screen name.

Seems like one cannot talk sensibly about evolution to god-deluders because they will always prefer to sit within their delusion bubble, than accept reality. To those people who are skirting the issue of mutation and selection and bringing up separate issues like 'how did all the stuff get here in the first place', this is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about biotic evolution. We are not talking about the formation of the universe. Which, by the way, does not 'come from nothing because magic ghost didn't make it', the universe is here because of complex physics which would tire my fingers to tap out here.

I implore you, step outside of your delusion bubble for just a moment and judge the basis of evolution purely by its scientific merits. You will see it is the only reasonable method for life to grow into complexity.

Evolution is a law of nature. It may not be written as a law (because of political reasons i.e. god-deluders who are afraid that they will lose their power once people see reason) but it is as much a law of the universe as the law of heliocentricity (the Sun being the centre of the solar system and the planets rotating around it). Funny thing is, it is still called the heliocentric theory. I have yet to see someone reply, saying that the Earth orbiting the Sun is just theory. Interesting.

The dreaded multiple quote response huh?



How you derived this from my statement, I don't know.

In reality I would say that it is far more important to know the truth than to feel good.



You still cannot tell me at what point in the pre-universe, by what method, and when the very first matter 'appeared.'

If you think you can, I am all ears.



So, in other words, you don't know why?




So, in other words you don't know why?



Then I would have to assume that because Science does not 'know' everything, that you also do not 'know' everything.

Correct me, if I am mistaken.



The truth is relative, according to your worldview.

Therefore, it is negotiable.

Scientifically speaking Scientist A, often disagree with Scientist B, on what is true.

Evidence is open to interpretation, just like in a trial.




Citing Cosmology as a defense for your inability to answer what you do not know, is not an answer.




So, you still can't say where the universe began?

And, yet again cite Cosmology which still cannot answer the question at hand.

Why not just say "i don't know where life/universe began?

Do you have that much pride you can't even admit the obvious?

Geez.



It means (to me) that love can only exist in an intelligent being.

If there was a being then love preceded the creation.

Why make man at all?

I trust I do not need to explain the dynamics or definition of 'first cause.'




No, it's not a straw-man. You say we were sludge. Well, sludge does not love. Therefore, according to you, first cause is sludge, result is love. Love would have to have evolved somewhere along the line from sludge to human being. Unless of course the first sludge was very loving sludge.

So, citing 'metaphysics' is much like you Cosmology response?

(I can't explain where love comes from, love so I will cite metaphysics)


Look, I don't really mind if this is the way you want to have your world view shaped. If science is your answer, so be it. But where you don't have the answer you can at least have the wherewithal to admit as much. To say you know and then to say you don't know does not develop much as to credibility.

'I don't know' are powerful words when used in context. Those words can also display honesty to other human beings. If honesty is not a concern then you will have to continue to pretend you do know, I guess. But, people can see through that.

This is why I am not afraid to say those three words, personally. To never use them is to reveal in myself what people can see as deceptive. I did not get far when I had that kind of arrogant attitude.

I do find it pretty neat though that science has seen fit to mirror Genesis so closely:

1.First God made heaven & earth - Big Bang-Theory of inflation... SCIENCE believes STRONGLY in the THeory of Inflation... EVERY DIRECTION WE LOOK the UNIVERSE IS MOVING AWAY FROM US, FROM OUR GALAXY. So by it's own admission, from our viewpoint WE ARE AT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE.
2.Let there be light - Sun Ignition
3.Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters - Atmosphere Formation
4.
And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."-
This pretty much mirrors evolution, does it not?
As for Dinosaurs... Really? Can't you READ?
SEA MONSTERS!!!
"but the bible only mentions birds on land"... REALLY? How many paleontologists think Dinosaurs were more bird like than reptilian? [link to www.timesonline.co.uk]
5.And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so. 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. -
More "Evolution"
6. Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."-
LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE... LET US? HMMMMM, THAT'S STRANGE!!!!

Cool huh?

Oh and don't EVEN get me started on the BRANE THEORY and the possibility that THERE WAS NO BIG BANG. The possibility that our universe simply poured into existence from a collision of 2 Branes undulating in the 11th dimension. This is science folks!

Look up Psalm 90 to see the EARLIEST description of THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY.

What I hate about the theory of evolution (as understood by the average person, not as defined by Dawkins or Darwin or any other 'expert') is the premise that because life evolves, humans evolve, and because humans evolve, human societies evolve.

It is basically a belief system that things will get better without YOU having to do anything about it, such as educate yourself, stay aware, inform others, protest against totalitarian rules and regulations... Which perfectly explains IMO why 80% of people are sheep, because hey, "Evolution will make things better".

Why bother with all that thinking and worrying, and reading and analyzing, if evolution will just take care of it all for you?

I believe in punctuated equilibrium, and I also believe our equilibrium is about to be punctuated, in the next few years!

Hmm. Seems there are many retarded people on here.

Or perhaps they have been home-schooled, thus denying them of the opportunity to further their understanding of the world.

Either way, it's very very sad.

Pray tell exactly what law of evolution are you referring too with evidence to support you assertion?

It must be a very slow day in people's lives that so many posts are appearing on the board so ridiculous and looking for negative attention, sowing no seeds of information sustainable in the thread.

What are you blathering on about?

What is a "conclusion" on evolution? Evolution is an observation. Common descent is a derivation of that observation. Natural selection is one of the prime theories explaining that observation. "Conclusion" fits nowhere within the ongoing science.

Nor would anyone within the fields of anthropology -- not, at least, within the 20th century -- describe any culture past or present as "dumb uneducated native(s)." Such thinking is not the product of any science of which I am aware. Such thinking, in fact, illuminates only you as a dumb-fuck racist.

Double fail. The expansion of the universe only makes it appear that we are at the center. As far as the giant green blobs of Far Arcturus are concerned, the universe is moving away from THEM.

And it is unclear to me in reading Genesis, at least in the King James translation, that Earth is necessarily at the geometric center of things. That so many things are placed in relationship to it does not preclude the entire construction from being in some remote side table of Creation.





Which sun? For that matter, according to modern cosmology, the first light is NOT our sun, nor indeed any sun. It is instead that light of the first free photons, from that moment some 380,000 years after the Big Bang when the universe became transparent enough to allow free photons to travel; that light we know today as the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR).

The mistake is thinking that evolution has a vector. Every time evolution is phrased in terms of "higher evolution" or "up the ladder of evolution" or "from the more primitive forms" or even the basic and oft-abused image of the crouching chimp into the walking man, this error is promulgated.

Societies do evolve. They get better and better at preserving their own existence. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether the individuals in that society have a good day. A totalitarian regime built on blood diamonds and armed on the international arms market is just as well-evolved as the kindest, most gentle democracy. (Well, almost...from the record, the concept has great survival but individual regimes, not so much!)

Spirit first, matter followed, they are not mutually exclusive.

I have degrees in Zoology, molecular genetics, and biochemistry and evolution the way it's taught is a LOAD OF CRAP.

I'm a Creationist and so are 50% of the life scientists out there.

Speaking of "uneducated", you are speaking of Creation which has more relation to the Big Bang than Evolution.

I know tons of people who believe in God and Evolution, but thanks for pigeon holing everyone, dick.

If the theory of evolution is true, then the 40,000 tonnes of dust that falls to the earth from outer space each year, would amount to 40,000 tonnes*4.5 billion years=180,000 billion tonnes of outer space fallout.

Did Darwin discuss the age of the Earth that much? Furthermore, did he get that precise?

Your ignorance will not be apparent to you, until just before the last thing you'll ever see.

"Let US make man in OUR IMAGINE." I think the Sumerian history is probably pretty accurate. Watch the Lloyd Pye video that was posted a few pages back.

God did not create through evolution. The bible supports no such thing. We are told there will be a new earth after this one. It will not be via evolution either. Catholics claim Genesis is allegorical and not to be relied upon as real. It's why so many Catholics become atheists. If God didn't create then he doesn't exist! If creation wasn't in six literal days there's no need to rest the seventh, to remember creation!

The educated do often become the most indoctrinated with evolution. Still There are millions of university educated Christians.

Most who spout this evolution belief only repeat the baseless claims often found in the msm and go along with peer-pressure concensus failing to understand the dating systems themselves. They don't know just how big the NWO is.

It's no coincidence darwin and marx rose together.

There are over 1 billion catholic? Their church has accepted evolution and rejected the Bible. They won't go against their church no matter what the real evidence supporting the bible shows. It is a religion.

Come on, show a little mercy yo.

Darwin was a Christian.

Evolution is just how we changed from the beginning. Isn't it possible that God created the earth and all the creatures on with the ability to adapt to their environment and pass those changes to their offspring?

Genesis 16:

7And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.

8And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.

9And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.

10And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.


Here is proof evolution is fraud! Butch Hagar gave birth to Arabs not insects!