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Jason Bishop also released some other information he received by way of John Lear, from this individual whose letter we just quoted. According to Lear, the author of the letter was actually a Security Officer at the Test Site who had called in to the Billy Goodman talk show (KVEG radio - Las Vegas, NV) on a few occasions. This person used the codename: ´Yellowfruit,´ which he claimed was actually the codename of a top secret group that worked at the site, with which he was involved. YF also sent Lear a copy of the "Benevolent" teachings. The "Benevolents" are allegedly working at the Test Site with MJ-12 and are "Blond- Aryan-like" people. It is not certain whether these "aliens" were the "Nordic" exterran Pleiadeans, the "Aryan" terran Antarcticans, or the "Blond" subterran Telosians - as all three groups have apparently been confused with each other and all posses aerial disks, although in reality they are somewhat distinct from each other.

[link to ufo.whipnet.org]

Note: We see the Aryans and the Nordics, etc., here associated with the UFO mythos/memes -- the same as was extant with the NAZIS.

This is no surprise here -- Lucifer/Satan and his fallen angels are white racists. It is no surprise that we see Britain as a fountainhead of white racism in history, even before the NAZIS.
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Jesse Logan Nusbaum was the archeologist in the Park Service and is closely tied to the study of the ancient civilization of the Southwest. He was born in Greeley, Colorado, September 3, 1887, to Edward Moore and Agnes Strickland (Moodie) Nusbaum. His parents and maternal grandparents were members of the original Greeley colony organized by Horace Greeley. Nusbaum attended local public schools in Greeley as well as the Colorado Teachers College there, receiving his B. Pedagogy in 1907.

After graduation, Nusbaum went to New Mexico State Normal in Las Vegas to teach science and manual arts. That summer he began his connection with Mesa Verde as a photographer and archeological assistant to A. V. Kidder and spent the following summer (1908) in a similar fashion.

In June of 1909, Nusbaum became the first employee of the School of American Archeology and Museum of New Mexico in Santa Fe under Dr. Edgar L. Hewett. While there he conducted archeological surveys, investigations, excavations, and ruins stabilization in Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Colorado, and New Mexico including the Pajarito Plateau. Nusbaum´s work at the museum again brought him to Mesa Verde for the excavation, repair, and stabilization of Balcony House, an important major project that extended into the winter of 1910. He spent 9 months in Washington, D. C., September 1911 to June 1912, working on exhibits for the Panama-Pacific Exposition to be held in San Diego, California. While in Washington, Nusbaum took advanced courses at night and continued his advanced studies in Colorado during the summer of 1913. His innovations at Mesa Verde and manual arts background stood him in good stead during this supervision of the restoration of the New Mexico Palace of Governors in Santa Fe which was completed in Fall of 1913. In 1913, Nusbaum also worked 3 months in the Maya ruins of Yucatan with Dr. S. G. Morley. During his many expeditions with the museum, Nusbaum also helped restore the mission church at Pecos. He used some of its design in the work of the state art museum, built in 1916-19 under his supervision.

Series IV - "Nut File"

The "Nut File" consists of one file labeled "Nut File" plus six folders labeled "740-17 Nut File" and then the individual name. Nusbaum refers to his "Nut File" several times in the correspondence. This "Nut File" includes correspondence, periodicals, and clippings from and about unusual people or crackpot theories or events. The "Nut File" also includes some of Nusbaum´s replies and letters to other anthropologists as well as the material from and about the "nuts." The one inch thick "Nut File" includes items dating from 1941 to 1956 while the individual files date from 1938 to 1949. The file is in Record Box 2.

"Nut" File

Amazing Explorations, Inc.

Delano´s Mummies

Harry E. (Two-Gun) Miller Matter

Mummifying Zone in New Mexico

Frank A. Baker, South Dakota Black Hills, 1939

Old Prospector and his "Magic Wands," 1938

[link to www.nps.gov]

Giants in Death Valley:

[link to www.s8int.com]

[link to www.livinginthelightms.com]

[link to www.death-valley.us]

[link to www.thewatcherfiles.com]

"...I often see Terra now as in near-final throes of exactly
the H.G. Wells scenario where the unwilling and witless 90% of
mankind inhabits a play-fantasy world on Earth´s surface, while
the split-off race of highly technical degenerates (in league
with and/or controlled by the serpent race - Branton), the Trogs,
prey on them from underground..."
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HG Wells and the Morlocks:

In the book, the Morlocks and the Eloi have something of a symbiotic relationship: The Eloi are clothed and fed by the Morlocks, and in return, the Morlocks eat the Eloi. The Time Traveller, who is the main character in ´The Time Machine´, perceives this, and guesses that the Eloi/Morlock relationship developed from a class distinction present in his own time- the Morlocks are the worker class who had to work underground so that the rich upper class would have luxury. The Morlocks live underground, tending machinery, and are seen by many to represent the "soul-deadening" effects of the Industrial Revolution. In the end of the book, the Time Traveller proceeds further in the future, and sees, on a desolate beach, giant crab-like creatures hunting after beautiful creatures that resemble butterflies. The Time Traveller theorizes that this is an eventual result of the Eloi/Morlock struggle.

Morlocks in other literature
H.G. Wells also wrote a book called ´When the Sleeper Wakes´. The book centers around a man who somehow falls into a sleep for several centuries, and wakes in the mid-21st century to find that he has inherited the world. In this book, we find out that the Salvation Army has rounded up most of the world´s lower class, forcing them to work underground in horrible conditions for the sole benefit of the rich upper class. It would seem that these people will later degenerate to become the Morlocks.

Stephen Baxter, a prominent Science-Fiction writer, wrote a sequel to the Time Machine, called ´The Time Ships´. In this, the Time Traveller attempts to return to the world of the Eloi and Morlocks, but instead finds that he has changed history somehow and finds a completely different world in the future: One in which there never were Eloi. Instead, Humanity constructed a metallic sphere around the sun where humanity now lives. These humans are physically identical to the Morlocks, although they are a race of scientists, not monsters. They do not have war, or religion, or many of the things which is generally had by Humanity. The ´Morlock´ Nebogefel joins the Time Traveller on his travels through time.

Two other books involving Morlocks, by different authors were:

´The Man who loved Morlocks´, by David Lake
´Morlock Night´, by K.W. Jeter.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.bufora.org.uk]

Fairy tales regularly feature a kingdom hidden beneath a hill, only accessed by mortals when and if the fairies wish. This was normally a one-way trip and the luckless mortal was condemned to spend eternity as an unwilling guest of the fairies. Typically, the children’s story of the ‘Pied Piper of Hamlin’ tells how, after failing to pay the piper his rightful fee for ridding the town of a plague of rats, the citizens of Hamlin were punished by having their children led away by the piper into a magical cavern under the ground never to be seen again. Always, we return to a mythical underground world, a place inhabited by supernatural beings, a place of no return, is this perhaps a race memory? In more recent times the writer H. G Wells in his novel ‘The Time Machine’ depicts this recollection of the underworld as a parasitic relationship between the Morlocks, a race of hideous underground sub-humans on a far future earth, and the beautiful, innocent but rather fey Eloi. In reality the Morlocks were technologically proficient cannibals who maintained and fed the humans as a farmer maintains cattle: as food. In the 19th century, popular culture decreed that subterranean civilisations were portrayed as form of idealised society, a variety of Shangri-La where everything was secure, safe and ordered.

An Englishman, Edward Bulwer-Lyton in a little known book ‘The Coming Race’, elaborated upon the concept of a subterranean, superhuman civilisation with noble and honourable ideals emerging as the saviour of the human race. Although better known for his novel ‘The Last days of Pompeii’ it was this work of fiction that eventually inspired the twisted dreams and aspirations of the Nazi Party with the goal of an Aryan master race. Intertwined with the work of Bulwer-Lyton, is the rather more esoteric writing of Madame Helena Blavatski founder of the Theosophy Movement. This, she claimed, was a secret mystical doctrine imparted to her by Tibetan ‘initiates’ and ‘masters’ who lived in caverns hidden in the Himalayas. Yet another strand of this belief in lost civilisations is found in the many references to ‘Agarthi’, a vast, inhabited underground world interconnected by tunnels and lit by a miniature sun. Entry into these realms is effected by means of doorways secreted away all over the world. One book in particular claims that there is such an entrance situated on the Yorkshire moors. The person who discovered this entrance claimed that he could hear the faint sound of machinery echoing along the tunnels but did not feel inclined to proceed further. After leaving the tunnel system, he reported that he could not find the entrance again. Was the entrance on the Yorkshire moors only a passageway leading to a conventional mineshaft? Maybe, but as of now, this has never been proved one way or another.

Another gateway is said to accessible through an underground tunnel

[link to www.bufora.org.uk]

[link to www.edward-bulwer-lytton.org]
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Information on the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeyer:

[link to www.apfn.org]

[link to www.apfn.org]

2.5 hours of MSMedia information you watch.

Confirmation of what else is found in this thread.
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Bulwer Lytton and Vril: The Power of the Coming Race

[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

Bulwer-Lytton´s pioneering science fiction novel "Vril" was taken very seriously by 19th Century Atlantis fans (for instance, Scott-Elliot). Vril is a mysterious energy which is used by Lytton´s subterranian race (refugees from the Deluge) to power their advanced civilization; it was later treated as a reality by occultists.

""What is vril?" I asked.

Therewith Zee began to enter into an explanation of which I understood very little, for there is no word in any language I know which is an exact synonym for vril. I should call it electricity, except that it comprehends in its manifold branches other forces of nature, to which, in our scientific nomenclature, differing names are assigned, such as magnetism, galvanism, &c. These people consider that in vril they have arrived at the unity in natural energic agencies, which has been conjectured by many philosophers above ground, and which Faraday thus intimates under the more cautious term of correlation:--

"I have long held an opinion," says that illustrious experimentalist, "almost amounting to a conviction, in common, I believe, with many other lovers of natural knowledge, that the various forms under which the forces of matter are made manifest have one common origin; or, in other words, are so directly related and mutually dependent, that they are convertible, as it were, into one another, and possess equivalents of power in their action."

These subterranean philosophers assert that, by one operation of vril, which Faraday would perhaps call `atmospheric magnetism,´ they can influence the variations of temperature--in plain words, the weather; that by other operations, akin to those ascribed to mesmerism, electro-biology, odic force, &c., but applied scientifically through vril conductors, they can exercise influence over minds, and bodies animal and vegetable, to an extent not surpassed in the romances of our mystics. To all such agencies they give the common name of vril. Zee asked me if, in my world, it was not known that all the faculties of the mind could be quickened to a degree unknown in the waking state, by trance or vision, in which the thoughts of one brain could be transmitted to another, and knowledge be thus rapidly interchanged. I replied, that there were among us stories told of such trance or vision, and that I had heard much and seen something of the mode in which they were artificially effected, as in mesmeric clairvoyance; but that these practices had fallen much into disuse or contempt, partly because of the gross impostures to which they had been made subservient, and partly because, even where the effects upon certain abnormal constitutions were genuinely produced, the effects, when fairly examined and analysed, were very unsatisfactory--not to be relied upon for any systematic truthfulness or any practical purpose, and rendered very mischievous to credulous persons by the superstitions they tended to produce. Zee received my answers with much benignant attention, and said that similar instances of abuse and credulity had been familiar to their own scientific experience in the infancy of their knowledge, and while the properties of vril were misapprehended, but that she reserved further discussion on this subject till I was more fitted to enter into it. She contented herself with adding, that it was through the agency of vril, while I had been placed in the state of trance, that I had been made acquainted with the rudiments of their language; and that she and her father, who, alone of the family, took the pains to watch the experiment, had acquired a greater proportionate knowledge of my language than I of their own; partly because my language was much simpler than theirs, comprising far less of complex ideas; and partly because their organisation was, by hereditary culture, much more ductile and more readily capable of acquiring knowledge than mine. At this I secretly demurred; and having had, in the course of a practical life, to sharpen my wits, whether at home or in travel, I could not allow that my cerebral organisation could possibly be duller than that of people who had lived all their lives by lamplight. However, while I was thus thinking, Zee quietly pointed her forefinger at my forehead and sent me to sleep."

[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

Od. or Odic Force

The ordic force is an all-penetrating force that was reputedly discovered by Baron Reichenbach. He reported the strongest emanations came from the mouth, hands, and forehead and. They diminished with hunger, and increased after a meal. He stated this peculiar force also was presents in rays of the sun and moon., and can be conducted great distances by all solids or liquids substances, bodies being charged or discharged by contact or proximity. A.G.H.

[link to www.themystica.com]

Baron Reichenbach:

Baron Dr. Carl (Karl) Ludwig von Reichenbach (1788-1869) was a recognized chemist, metallurgist, naturalist and philosopher, a member of the prestigious Prussian Academy of Sciences. He discovered kerosene and paraffins and their uses as fuels, which are now used in jet and rocket engines. He also developed antiseptic phenol.

He spent the last part of his life developing the now popular vitalist theory of the Odic force, the life principle which he believed permeates and binds together all living things. This never acquired currency among mainstream scientists, so instead it lies today among mystical concepts such as chi and prana of the far east.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Reichenbach, was a famous pioneer in psychic research who discovered and named an emanation from the human body as the odic force. He also experimented with sensitives who could perceive radiations from magnets in the dark. Several of his important works were translated into English. A.G.H.

[link to www.themystica.com]

Odic Energy:

[link to www.luminet.net]

"After completing his national industrial marvels, his devotion to these fascinations became a research endeavor of enormous thematic depth. Reichenbach discovered a glowing energy form, which totally revolutionized his own worldview, as well as those who earnestly followed his marvelous publications. Until his death in 1869, he maintained that nature was suffused with a mysterious luminous energy from which it derived its vivifying powers. How this great discovery was made begins the controversial period of Reichenbach´s life, that period when he dared academic prejudice and plunged into the unknown."

[link to www.luminet.net]

Vril = Odic Energy = Prana = Orgonon Energy

Wilhelm Reich and Baron Reichenbach...

Reich: [link to www.orgone.org]

Very good info: [link to www.mt.net]

Note: The reference to aliens/extraterrestrials, which are, in fact, demons in the context of Reich, Reichenbach, and Crowley.

"He also, it soon appeared, wanted to tell me about his accelerating experiences with magick. It had started over two years earlier, after an intensive seminar at Esalen. Dr. H. suddenly found that he could see "auras." (The aura of the human body, known to shamans and witches since time immemorial, has been repeatedly rediscovered by scientists, most of whom were thereupon denounced as "cranks." Franz Anton Mesmer called it "animal magnetism," in the 16th century. In the 19th, Baron Reichenbach called it "OD." In the 1920s, Gurvich named it "the mytogenic ray." Wilhelm Reich rediscovered it in the 1930s, called it "orgone energy," and was destroyed by AMA bigots who charged that he was hallucinating it. Kirlian photography has now demonstrated beyond all doubt that this aura exists.) Dr. H. soon found, further, that he could use the aura as a diagnostic tool in analyzing new patients. This experience, Leary´s books, and a lecture by me on Crowley´s magick, led him to further experiments."

[link to www.mt.net]

You will have noted the relationship of sexual orgasm to this energy field in Reich´s work; also in the occult...

[link to www.transpersonal.de]

[link to www.google.com]


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
In Hinduism, Prana is the infinite matter of which energy is born. It is not, as is commonly misunderstood as being air, or the breath, of the human body. The incorrect assumption that Prana is breath arises from flawed knowledge arising from the practice of Pranayama, in which the control of Prana is achieved (initially) from the control of one´s breathing. The breath or air is merely a gateway to the world of prana and its manifestation in the body. Also interpreted as the vital, life-sustaining force of both the individual body and the universe. Its first expounding came in the Upanishads, where it is part of the worldly, physical realm, sustaining the body and the mother of thought and thus also of the mind. Prana suffuses all living form but is not itself the Atma or individual soul.

From a scientific standpoint, Prana is at the atomic level, down to the humble electron and would be what makes the electron move. It is energy or matter down to its finest possible state. Just as petrol is the fuel, or energy source for a car, Prana is the fuel for all energy, in fact, any motion.

In practical terms, prana can be explained in various ways. Feelings of hunger, thirst, hot, cold, etc. in the body are pranic manifestations. All physical feelings or energies that arise or flow within the body are evidence that prana is at work. Prana is the life force, or vital energy. The presence of prana is what distinguishes a living body from a dead one. When a person (or any other living being such as an animal) dies, the prana, or life force, leaves the body through one of several orifices.

Prana is said to circulate in the body through a system of channels, called nadis (nadi in the singular), which are to prana as veins are to blood.

Prana is a general term which can be further classified into subcategories, referred to as pranas. These are the vital principles of basic energy and subtle faculties of an individual that sustain physiological processes. There are five ´Pranas´ or vital currents: Prana, Apana, Vyana, Udana and Samana.

In yoga, pranayama techniques are used to control the movement of these vital energies within the body, leading to an increase in vitality in the practitioner. If Prana enters a period of uplifted, intensified activity, the Yogic tradition refers to this stage of Prana as Pranotthana.

The pranas constitute the second sheath (kosa) of a human being (who is essentially the Atman or the Self). The kosas are listed below

Annamaya Kosa (Gross Body)
Pranamaya Kosa (Vital Air Sheath)
Manomaya Kosa (Mental Sheath)
Vigyanamaya Kosa (Intellectual Sheath)
Karanamaya Kosa or Anandmaya Kosa (Causal Sheath)

Science: Some believe that Quantum foam or Quantum vacuum are prana being discovered by the scientific community, due to the similarities of the fact that both are universal energies with vast potential and that both are said to be all-pervading and have potential to be harnessed. But right now this is sheer conjecture until research has shown that quantum foam or vacuum energy can be tapped by a biological entity via the electromagnetic field, bio-photons, or the much debated supposed faculty of psychokinesis.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Note from above: "When a person (or any other living being such as an animal) dies, the prana, or life force, leaves the body through one of several orifices."

Prana = Vril = Odic Force = Orgonon Energy = Chi

[link to www.geocities.com]

[link to www.huna.org]

[link to www.foundationwebsite.org]

[link to www.eclipseproductionsltd.com]

[link to www.galactic-server.com]

A Christian would say that it is a person´s soul that leaves their body when they die. We can see the above "energy" seems to be defineable as "soul energy" -- or, simply, life-force.

The sexual relationship of the "life force" energy is understood in the context of Tantric yoga.

Tantric Yoga and Prana:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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Tantra (Sanskrit: loom), tantric yoga or tantrism is any of several esoteric traditions rooted in the religions of India. It exists in Hindu, Buddhist, Jain and New Age forms.

In its Indian forms, tantra can be summarized as a family of voluntary rituals modeled on those of the Vedas, together with their attendant texts and lineages. These rituals typically involve the visualization of a deity, offerings (real or visualized), and the chanting of his or her mantra. These practices are usually said to require permission from a qualified teacher or guru who belongs to a legitimate guruparampara or teacher-student lineage. Tantra thus broadly overlaps with yoga in the broadest sense of that word (which is also used of Buddhist and Jain as well as Hindu spiritual practice).

Common variations include visualizing the deity in the act of sexual union with a consort; visualizing oneself as the deity; and/or "transgressive" acts such as token consumption of meat or alcohol. Occasionally ritualized sex may be undertaken in imitation of the divine model. This accounts of tantra´s mixed reputation, and its reception in the West primarily as a collection of sexual practices.

History of Tantra
Legend ascribes the origin of Tantra to Dattatreya, a semi-mythological Hindu yogi and the assumed author of the Jivanmukta Gita ("Song of the liberated soul"). Others see Lord Adinath, or Shiva, as the first Guru of Tantra. Things become a little more clear with Matsyendranath ("Master of fish" - so-called either because he was a fisherman, or, less probably, because he discovered a tantra inside a fish). He is accredited with authorship of the Kaulajnana-nirnaya, a voluminous ninth-century tantra dealing with a host of mystical and magical subjects, and occupies an important position in the Hindu tantric lineage, as well as in Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhism. His disciple, Gorakhnath, founded laya yoga. Hatha Yoga was penned by Swami Swatamarama as the secrets of Lord Adinath (another name for Shiva) in the 15th century.

Tantra evolved into a number of orders (sampradaya) and diverged into so-called "left-hand tantra" (varma marg), in which sexual yoga and other antinomian practices occurred, and "right-hand tantra", in which such practices were merely visualised. Both groups, but in particular the left-hand tantrists, opposed many features of orthodox Hindu culture, particularly the caste system and patriarchy. Despite this, Tantra was accepted by some high-caste Hindus, most notably the Rajput princes. Hindu tantra even briefly enabled a yogic/sufi synthesis among some Indian Muslims. Nowadays Tantra has a large, though not always well-informed, following worldwide.

Buddhist and Hindu Tantra, though having many similarities from the outside, do have some clear distinctions. Scholars are unable to determine whether the Hindu or the Buddhist version of Tantra appeared first in history. Buddhist Tantra is always part of the Mahayana school of Buddhism, which has as main aim to help all sentient beings becoming free from problems (Dukkha), in order to achieve this aim, one should try to achieve Buddhahood oneself, in order to be the most profound teacher for others.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

As we have previously documented, Buddhism/Hinduism, premised on the Vedic scriptures, is an ARYAN belief system. This "life-force energy/force" is an ARYAN concept.

Mahayana school of Buddhism:

Scholars believe that Mahayana as a distinct movement began around the 1st century BCE in the North-western Indian subcontinent, estimating a formative period of about three centuries before it was transmitted in a highly evolved form to China in the 2nd century CE. According to Williams (1989), the development of the Mahayana was a slow, gradual process. The Mahayana was not a rival school, and therefore it was not the consequence of a schism (sanghbheda). Mahayana and non-Mahayana monks could live without discord in the same monastery, so long as they held the same code.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Note: This would be in the place of the Aryan invasion of India.

"The name "Mahāyāna" means great yāna, or the greater vehicle, in contrast to the Hīnayāna, or "Smaller vehicle", indicating universalism, or Salvation for all. This affirmation is grounded in the belief that every individual possesses Buddha nature, and therefore is a potential Buddha who will attain bodhi.

This was contrasted with Hinayana doctrine, which considers that the search for Nirvana is only possible for a few, demands to lead a monk’s life, to renounce all possessions and to cut oneself from life and its desires, an ideal only achieved by selected arhats.

Because of its universalist position, Mahayana was able to appeal more easily to the lay masses, by promising for all various ways to enlightenment."

“Devotional Mahayana” developed a rich cosmography, with various supernatural Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, residing in paradisiacal realms. The concept of Trinity, or trikaya, supports these constructions, making the Buddha himself into a transcendental god-like figure.

Under various conditions, these lands could be attained by devotees after their death so that when reborn they could endeavour towards Buddhahood in the best possible conditions. Depending on the sect, this salvation to “paradise” can be obtained by faith, imaging, or sometimes even by the simple invocation of the Buddha’s name. This approach to salvation is at the origin of the mass appeal of devotional Buddhism, especially represented by the Pure Land.

This rich cosmography also allowed Mahayana to be quite syncretic and accommodating of other faiths or deities. Various origins have also been suggested to explain its emergence, such as “popular Hindu devotional cults (bhakti), and Persian and Greco-Roman theologies, which filtered into India from the northwest” (Tom Lowenstein, “The vision of the Buddha”).

Among the earliest major Mahayana scriptures that are attested to historically are the Perfection of Wisdom (Prajna-Paramita) Sutras, the Avatamsaka Sutra, the Lotus Sutra, the Vimalakīrti Sutra, and the Nirvana Sutra.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Nepal is famous, as the world´s only Hindu Kingdom. However, it is an intricate and beautiful tapestry formed by the interweaving of Hinduism, Buddhism and other beliefs.

[link to www.thamel.com]

[link to www.appapers.com]

"The Germans just prior to World War II were all over New Mexico
exploring mines, buying up land, etc. This is interesting in regards to
the alleged underground ´Illuminati´ bases near Dulce and other New
Mexican communities. According to Trevor Ravenscroft, the Nazi´s
had an alliance with Tibetan sorcerers who were intent on working with
the Germans to establish a demonic world religious and political order.
These sorcerers believed that their "masters" were a race of reptilian
humanoids or "serpent people" who lived in a subterranean realm [called
"Patala", "Snakeworld" or "Nagaloka" by the Hindus]. This legendary
seven-levelled underworld, with its infernal ´capitol´ Bhoga-Vita, became
the home of a race of reptiloid creatures called the ´Nagas´ which had
escaped underground following an prehistoric war with the human race
for domination of the surface of the planet. According to the legend,
others of their kind later escaped to Alpha Draconis ["Typhon"] with the
aid of the EVIL ONE himself [tie this in with the Hebrew account of the
"serpent race" as given in the third chapter of Genesis, and the New
Testament prophecies of Revelation chapter 12]."

[link to www.beyondweird.com]

[link to www.google.com]

And, note, we return to the Nagas, yet again:


The word Naga comes from the Sanskrit, and nag is still the word for snake, especially the cobra, in most of the languages of India. When we come upon the word in Buddhist writings, it is not always clear whether the term refers to a cobra, an elephant (perhaps this usage relates to its snake-like trunk, or the pachyderm´s association with forest-dwelling peoples of north-eastern India called Nagas,) or even a mysterious person of nobility. It is a term used for unseen beings associated with water and fluid energy, and also with persons having powerful animal-like qualities or conversely, an impressive animal with human qualities.

[link to www.khandro.net]

It is interesting to note that Nagas is a term also used with persons "having powerful animal-like qualities" -- this, in light of the fact, that the Vril is a life-force energy... associated with UFOs and demons... and Nazis... and Theosophy, and Fabian Socialism... and...

The "War of the Worlds" is REAL. The invader is Lucifer/Satan and his fallen angel/demons. The troops of the invasion are the NWO minions, freemasons, and, in America, the Neo-Conservatives (who are not conservatives at all but are demons).
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In Hindu mythology, the Nagas/Nagis were a race of serpents whose purpose was to populate the underworld, Patalas. They were the 1000 offspring of the sage, Kasyapa, and Kadru, the daughter of Daksha. They are associated with weather (especially rain) & pictures of them are worshipped during times of drought.

In terms of appearance, Nagas wear precious jewels on their heads and are usually shown in three forms:

as humans with snake heads
the upper portion of their body human, the lower portion, snake-like
as snakes

The Nagas are only malevolent to humans when they have been mistreated, and while their venom is deadly, they also carry the elixir of life and immortality. One story mentions that when the gods were rationing out the elixir of immortality, the Nagas grabbed a cup. The gods were able to retrieve the cup, but in doing so, spilled a few drops on the ground. The Nagas quickly licked up the drops, but in doing so, cut their tongues on the grass, & since then their tongues have been forked.

Sesha, whose name meaning "eternal", is the world serpent who provides the bed for Vishnu as his heads give Vishnu shade. It is said he came into being when he sprang from the mouth of Bala-Rama as he was dying. He is depicted either as human in the form of Bala-Rama or as a serpent dressed in purple with 1000 heads, which cause earthquakes whenever he moves them. Also, at the end of each kalpa (1000 ages), he destroys the world with fire.

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A Hindu thousand-headed snake god of the Vedas. He was said to have been born from the mouth of Balarama just before his death. Sesha was chief of the mythical Nagas, a clan of snake worshippers.

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The Mahabharata relates that Vishnu pulled a white hair and a black hair from his head and these became Balarama and Krishna respectively. Balarama was white-skinned while Krishna was dark-skinned (represented iconographically by the color blue).

His consort is Revati and his sons are Nisatha and Ulmuka. His symbols are the plow and the mace.

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Note: Balarama was white-skinned.

4. Serpent in scriptural accounts

4.1. Middle East

"The possibility that an ancient reptilian-saurian race may exist below the surface of this planet is not an idea which is relatively new. This infernal yet physical race has been referred to in spiritual and historical records which date back to the beginning of time. Ancient Hebrew history, for instance, records that our human ancestors were not the only intelligent, free-will beings who inhabited the ancient world. Genesis chapter 3 refers to the "Serpent," which according to many ancient Hebrew scholars was identified with a hominoid or bi-ped reptilian being. The ancient Hebrew word for "Serpent" is "Nachash" (which according to Strong´s Comprehensive and other Biblical concordances contained in itself the meanings: Reptile, Enchantment, Hissing, Whisper, Diligently Observe, Learn by Experience, Incantation, Snake, etc. all of which may be descriptive of the serpent-sauroid race which we have been referring to). The original "Nachash" was not actually a "snake" as most people believe, but actually an extremely intelligent, cunning creature possessed with the ability to speak and reason. It also stood upright as we´ve said, as did many of it´s descendants, the small "saurian" predators which ambled about on two legs." (from "The Cult of the Serpent" file, edited by Branton)

In the book of Genesis Elohim punished the Serpent for deceiving Eve by ordering him to crawl on his stomach from that time on. They (Elohim) also created enmity between human and serpent race.

The book of Revelation describes eschatological accounts when the enmity between human and serpent race escalates into an open conflict: "...And there was war in heaven: Michael fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels... and the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world..." (Rev. 12:7)

There are other interesting biblical references to serpents and dragons in Psalms 44:19, 74:13, 148:7, Issaiah 13:22, etc.

4.2. India: Nagas of the Underworld

The Nagas are a race of serpent beings. Most often they manifest themselves with half-man, half-serpent bodies, although sometimes they assume the shape of a dragon, or appear in the guise of a cobra. They can take many different forms including snakes, humans with snake tails and normal humans, often beautiful maidens. A precious gem is embedded in their heads endowing them with supernatural powers including invisibility. Some are demoniac, some neutral or sometimes helpful.

Nagas are divided into four classes: heavenly, divine, earthly or hidden, depending upon their function in guarding the heavenly palace, bringing rainfall, draining rivers or guarding treasures.

In Burma, the Nagas combine elements of the dragon, snake and crocodile. They have guarded and protected several royal Burmese personages. They also give rubies to those they favor.

They inhabit lakes and rivers, but their real domain is a vast underground region called Bila-svarga, or subterranean heavens. There they guard great amounts of jewels and precious metals. Here they dwell with their seductive mates, the Naginis who sometimes seduce humans.

One such account is to be found for example in the Mahabharata. Arjuna, the son of King Pandu, was "abducted" by Ulupi, the Naga princess who enamored him, into the parallel realm in the river Ganges near Hardwar. After spending a night with her and begetting a son called Iravan, he returned back. This incident is also mentioned in the Bhagavata Purana 9.22.32. R. Thompson in his book "Alien Identities" uses this account to give an example of parallel dimensions.

The Mahabharata story follows:

"When his residence was thus crowded with divinity, the darling son of Pandu and Kunti then went down into the Ganges water, to be consecrated for holy rite. Taking his ritual bath and worshiping his forefathers, Arjuna, happy to take his part in the rite of fire, was rising out of the water, O king, when he was pulled back in by Ulupi, the virgin daughter of the serpent king, who could travel about at her will and was now within those waters. Holding onto him, she pulled him down into the land of the Nagas, into her father´s house.

"Arjuna then saw in the most honorable house of the Naga king, whose name was Kauravya, a carefully attended fire. Dhananjaya Arjuna, son of Kunti, took over the duty of the fire, and without hesitation he made the offering and satisfied the sacred flames. Having done the duty to the fire, the son of Kunti then said laughingly to the daughter of the Naga king, "Why have you acted so boldly, O shy and beautiful woman? What is the name of this opulent land? Who are you and whose daughter are you?"

"Ulupi said: "There is a serpent named Kauravya, born in the family of Airavata. I am his daughter, O Partha, and my name is Ulupi, lady of the snakes. I saw you, Kaunteya, when you went down into the waters to take your ritual bath, and I was stunned by Cupid. O Kuru child, now that the god of love has stirred me up so, you must welcome me, for I have no one else, and I have given myself to you in a secluded place."

"Arjuna said: "Dharmaraja Yudhisthira has instructed me to practice celibacy for twelve months, and I agreed; thus I am not my own master. I would like to please you, but I have never spoken an untruth. How can I avoid a lie and also please you, snake woman? If it could be done without hurting my religious principles, then I would do it."

"Ulupi said: "I understand, son of Pandu, how you are wandering the earth, and how your elder brother has instructed you to practice celibacy: "There will be a mutual accord that if any one of us mistakenly intrudes upon the others during their time with Drupada´s daughter, then he must remain in the forest for twelve months as a celibate brahmacari." That was the agreement you all made. But this exile you agreed upon is in regards to Draupadi. You all accepted the religious vow to be celibate in relation to her, and so your religious vow is not violated here with me.

"Your eyes are very big and handsome, and it is your duty to rescue those who are in pain. Save me now, and there will be no breach of your religious principles. And even if there is some very subtle transgression of your religious principles, then let this be religious rule, Arjuna, that you gave me back my life. My lord, accept me as I have accepted you, for it will be an act approved by decent people; And if you will not accept me, then know that I am a dead woman. O strong-armed one, practice the greatest virtue, which is the act of giving life. I come to you now for shelter, for you are an ideal man.

"Kaunteya, you always take care of the poor and helpless people, and I have gone straight to you for shelter and am crying out in pain. I beg you, for my desire is so strong. Therefore you must please me by giving yourself; it is proper for you to make me a satisfied woman.

"Sri Vaisampayana said: "Thus addressed by the virgin daughter of the serpent lord, the son of Kunti, basing his actions on the religious law, did for her all that she desired. The fiery hero Arjuna spent the night in the palace of the Naga king, and when the sun rose he too rose up from Kauravya´s abode."

Similar story is recorded in the Harivansha, which is the addendum to the Mahabharata. Yadu, the founder of the Yadava family, went for a trip to the sea, where he was carried off by Dhumavarna, king of the serpents, to the capital of the serpents. Dhumavarna married his five daughters to Yadu, and from them sprang seven distinct families of people.

Kumudvati, the Naga princess, married Kusha, the son of Rama, as described in the scripture Raghuvansha.

The following account touches upon the issue of underground hominoid-sauroid conflicts.

The Vishnu Purana speaks about the Gandharvas, descendants of sage Kashyapa and his wife Muni. Therefore they are also called Mauneyas. (According to Hindu Dictionary by Manurishi Foundation, the Mauneyas are a class of Gandharvas, who dwell beneath the earth, and are sixty millions in number.) They were fighting with the Nagas in the subterranean regions, whose dominions they seized and whose treasures they plundered. The Naga chiefs appealed to Vishnu for relief, and He promised to appear in the person of Purukutsa, son of King Mandhata, to help them. Thereupon the Nagas sent their sister Narmada to this Purukutsa, and she conducted him to the regions below, where he destroyed the Gandharvas. (According to the Ramayana similar Gandharvas were defeated by Bharata, the brother of Rama, and Hanuman.) The ninth khanda of the Bhagavata Purana also briefly mentions this story.

The Bhagavata Purana narration is based on the incident which happened to King Pariksit. He was cursed by a young brahmana to die within seven days as a result of a snakebite. The boy thought the king had offended his father, who did not welcome the king in his ashrama being absorbed in deep meditation. Thus the king left after putting a dead snake on sage´s shoulder. The king decided to accept the curse as a will of providence and sat down at the bank of Ganges to prepare for his death. At that time the great young sage Shuka, the son of Vyasa, arrived there and the king asked him to explain the most important knowledge meant for a person about to die. Thus the sage started to narrate the great Purana. As a result the king attained self-realization.

His son Janamejaya, however, became angry at the serpents and to revenge his father´s death he started a great sacrifice meant to destroy all the serpents but later he stopped it to please the sage Astika, their relative. (Astika´s father was the sage Jaratkaru who married Manasa, the sister of the Naga king Vasuki.) The whole story is narrated in the Mahabharata, Adi Parva.

The origin of the Naga race is described in the Mahabharata, Adi Parva:

"Long ago, in the godly millennium, Prajapati Daksha had two brilliant and sinless daughters, amazing sisters who were gifted with great beauty. Named Kadru and Vinata, they both became wives of the primordial sage Kashyapa, a husband who was equal in glory to the Prajapati. Being pleased with his religious wive, Kashyapa, with much happiness, offered them both a boon. Hearing of Kashyapa´s joyful intention to let them choose an extraordinary boon, the two excellent women felt an incomparable joy.

"Kadru chose to create one thousand serpent sons, all of equal strength, and Vinata hankered to have two sons who would exceed all of Kadru´s sons in stamina, strength, valor, and spiritual influence. Her husband awarded her only one and a half of these desired sons, knowing that she could not have more. Vinata then said to Kashyapa, "Let me have at least one superior son."

"Vinata felt that her purpose was satisfied and that somehow both sons would be of superior strength. Kadru too felt her purpose fulfilled, since she would have one thousand sons of equal prowess. Both wives were delighted with their boons. Then Kashyapa, that mighty ascetic, urging them to carry their embryos with utmost care, retired to the forest.

"After a long time Kadru produced one thousand eggs, O leader of brahmanas, and Vinata produced two eggs. Their delighted assistants placed the two sisters´ eggs in moist vessels, where they remained for five hundred years. When the years had passed, the sons of Kadru hatched from their eggs, but from Vinata´s two eggs her two sons were not to be seen. That austere and godly woman, anxious to have children, was ashamed. Thus Vinata broke open one egg and saw therein her son. Authorities say that the upper half of the child´s body was fully developed, but the lower half was not yet well formed."

This son was Aruna, the charioteer of Surya, the sun god. His brother was the powerful Garuda, divine eagle, who became the carrier of Vishnu. Garuda is an avowed enemy of serpents who are his food. Krishna mentions him among the most prominent representatives of His power: "Among the Daitya demons I am the devoted Prahlada, among subduers I am time, among beasts I am the lion, and among birds I am Garuda." (Bhagavad-gita 10.30)

Nilamata Purana, the ancient history of Kashmir, is centered around the original inhabitants of Kashmir, the Nagas. In the verses 232-233 it mentions their capital: "O Naga, the dwelling of the Nagas is the city named Bhogavati. Having become a Yogi that Naga-chief (Vasuki) dwells there as well as here. But with his primary body, Vasuki, protecting the Nagas, shall live in Bhogavati. O sinless one, you (also) dwell here constantly." Bhogavati is also mentioned in the Bhagavata Purana 1.11.11. Its another name is Putkari.

Bhagavata Purana gives the following description of Bila-svarga, the subterranean regions compared for their opulence to heaven (5.24.7-15):

"My dear King, beneath this earth are seven other planets, known as Atala, Vitala, Sutala, Talatala, Mahatala, Rasatala and Patala. I have already explained the situation of the planetary systems of earth. The width and length of the seven lower planetary systems are calculated to be exactly the same as those of earth.

"In these seven planetary systems, which are also known as the subterranean heavens [bila-svarga], there are very beautiful houses, gardens and places of sense enjoyment, which are even more opulent than those in the higher planets because the demons have a very high standard of sensual pleasure, wealth and influence. Most of the residents of these planets, who are known as Daityas, Danavas and Nagas, live as householders. Their wives, children, friends and society are all fully engaged in illusory, material happiness. The sense enjoyment of the demigods is sometimes disturbed, but the residents of these planets enjoy life without disturbances. Thus they are understood to be very attached to illusory happiness.

"My dear King, in the imitation heavens known as bila-svarga there is a great demon named Maya Danava, who is an expert artist and architect. He has constructed many brilliantly decorated cities. There are many wonderful houses, walls, gates, assembly houses, temples, yards and temple compounds, as well as many hotels serving as residential quarters for foreigners. The houses for the leaders of these planets are constructed with the most valuable jewels, and they are always crowded with living entities known as Nagas and Asuras, as well as many pigeons, parrots and similar birds. All in all, these imitation heavenly cities are most beautifully situated and attractively decorated.

"The parks and gardens in the artificial heavens surpass in beauty those of the upper heavenly planets. The trees in those gardens, embraced by creepers, bend with a heavy burden of twigs with fruits and flowers, and therefore they appear extraordinarily beautiful. That beauty could attract anyone and make his mind fully blossom in the pleasure of sense gratification. There are many lakes and reservoirs with clear, transparent water, agitated by jumping fish and decorated with many flowers such as lilies, kuvalayas, kahlaras and blue and red lotuses. Pairs of cakravakas and many other water birds nest in the lakes and always enjoy in a happy mood, making sweet, pleasing vibrations that are very satisfying and conducive to enjoyment of the senses.

"Since there is no sunshine in those subterranean planets, time is not divided into days and nights, and consequently fear produced by time does not exist.

"Many great serpents reside there with gems on their hoods, and the effulgence of these gems dissipates the darkness in all directions.

"Since the residents of these planets drink and bathe in juices and elixirs made from wonderful herbs, they are freed from all anxieties and physical diseases. They have no experience of grey hair, wrinkles or invalidity, their bodily lusters do not fade, their perspiration does not cause a bad smell, and they are not troubled by fatigue or by lack of energy or enthusiasm due to old age.

"They live very auspiciously and do not fear death from anything but death´s established time, which is the effulgence of the Sudarshana chakra of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

"When the Sudarshana disc enters those provinces, the pregnant wives of the demons all have miscarriages due to fear of its effulgence."


"The planetary system below Talatala is known as Mahatala. It is the abode of many-hooded snakes, descendants of Kadru, who are always very angry. The great snakes who are prominent are Kuhaka, Taksaka, Kaliya and Susena. The snakes in Mahatala are always disturbed by fear of Garuda, the carrier of Lord Vishnu, but although they are full of anxiety, some of them nevertheless sport with their wives, children, friends and relatives.

"Beneath Mahatala is the planetary system known as Rasatala, which is the abode of the demoniac sons of Diti and Danu. They are called Panis, Nivata-kavacas, Kaleyas and Hiranya-puravasis [those living in Hiranya-pura]. They are all enemies of the demigods, and they reside in holes like snakes. From birth they are extremely powerful and cruel, and although they are proud of their strength, they are always defeated by the Sudarshana chakra of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who rules all the planetary systems. When a female messenger from Indra named Sarama chants a particular curse, the serpentine demons of Mahatala become very afraid of Indra.

"Beneath Rasatala is another planetary system, known as Patala or Nagaloka, where there are many demoniac serpents, the masters of Nagaloka, such as Shankha, Kulika, Mahashankha, Shveta, Dhananjaya, Dhrtarashtra, Shankhacuda, Kambala, Ashvatara and Devadatta. The chief among them is Vasuki. They are all extremely angry, and they have many, many hoods - some snakes five hoods, some seven, some ten, others a hundred and others a thousand. These hoods are bedecked with valuable gems, and the light emanating from the gems illuminates the entire planetary system of bila-svarga."

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Vedic Aryan Invasions:

Aryan Invasions & Genocide of Negroes, Semites & Mongols

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During this period of the Brahmanic Dark Ages (1500 BC - 1000 AD), further waves of white-skinned Vedic Sanscrit-speaking Aryans invaded India, further exterminating the native populations of Negroids, Semites and Mongoloids.

The Krishnaite (Third) Aryan Invasion (1200 BC) :
Krishna launched the third Aryan invasion, invading Western India (Gujarat, Rajastan etc.) from Mathura in Aryavarta. He finally established his capital there, Dwarka. He destroyed the surviving traces of the Indus Valley civilization, abducting and raping 16000 low-caste women (`gopis´) of the races he exterminated. Besides, he was also the engineer of the Mahabharatan Holocaust.
Mahabharatan Aryan Invasion (900-800 BC) :

The Fourth Aryan Invasion occurred in 2 parts: First, the Digvijay Aryan invasions that led to the subjugation of all of India to the Aryan yoke. The revolt by the non-Aryans and mixed races led to the terrible Mahabharatan War between the Aryan Pandavas on one side and the mixed race Kauravas and black aboriginals on the other. The Aryan victory enabled them to invade & settle in the Ganges valley and confirmed Aryan dominance. The genocides of this war permanently changed the racial composition of India. These wars were some of the most terrible recorded.

Fifth (Solar) Aryan Invasion (800 BC) :
The Fifth Aryan invasion is named Solar, since the Aryans who invaded India during this epoch were of the Solar race (Suryavamsi), while the earlier Aryans were of Lunar race (Chandravamsi). Kashyap (ie. from the Caspian) is the progenitor of the Solar race of kings. From the Caspian they swept down into India, driving the preceding peoples before them. Ikshvaku established his chiefdom at Ayodhya, while his grandson Mithi conquered Mithila (named after him). Parasurama continued the 5th Aryan invasion, exterminating various aboriginal races.
Ramaite Aryan Invasion & Dravidian Holocaust (600 BC) :

The 6th Aryan invasion of the deep South (Dravidia) by the armies of `Lord´ Ram led to the fall of the Rakshasa (Dravidian) empire & the destruction of the splendid city of Ravana. The apartheid varna system was imposed, with those black Dravidian Sudras who accepted Aryan enslavement were relegated to the `Clean Sudra´ caste , and those who fought the Aryans were relegated to the `Untouchable Sudra´ castes (`panchama´) of Dalits and Adivasis. The worship of the Aryan religion of Vaishnavism was introduced, and most Dravidians in Lanka exterminated.

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The Agharti System of Central Asia allegedly , according to Hindi legends, links to ´Snakeworld´, a multileveled cavern ystem under the southwestern slopes of the Himalayans, which is the home of the Nagas.

The Narga System is where we find the ´serpent´ cult of human and reptilian collaborators. One of which is said to have had contact with Nazi Thule Society during World War II.

Long ago, an Asian prince is said to have led some warrior monks into the cave to irradicate this cult. Following the conflict the reptilians and collaborating forces were driven out. However, in recent centuries they have regained some ground.

Naga is a Sanskrit word meaning ´serpent, one who is wise´. It is connected with the Dragon Spirit. Their language is Naga-Krita.
Chinese and Mexican call them Nagal
Tibetans call them Lu
Java call them Sesa
Egyptian show the Nagas as ´King-Initiates´.

Hindu mythology claim them to be a Race of Serpents whose purpose was to populate the Underworld , Patalas. They are the 1,000 offspring of the sage Kasyapa and Kadru, the daughter of Daksha. They are only malevolent to humans when they have been mistreated and their venom is deadly. They also carry the elixir of life and immortality.
Sesha, meaning eternal, is the ´World Serpent´ who provides the bed for Vishnu, as his heads give Vishnu shade. He is depicted either as human with the form of Bala-Rama or as a serpent dressed in purple with 1,000 heads, which cause earthquakes when he moves them.

At the end of each Kalpa (1,000 Ages), he destroys the world with fire. Lineages are described in great length in the Mahabharata.

Nagas are also referred to as the Targzissians. According to Sumerian Mythology, ENKI mated with ID, a female Nagas, producing MARDUK.

*Riley Martin described the Targzissians of co-habiting a 40 kilometer diameter, egg-shaped mothership orbiting Saturn with the Biaviians (along with five other races, including the Sirians)

Targzissians (Targs) are often referred to as Dracos. They have the ability to create telepathic illusions, giving the illusion of shape-shifting.

ENKI (1/2 Negas and 1/2 Pleiadian type (or an illusion of Pleiadian)), according to Sumerian myths , ´mated´ with many human females in an attempt to produce male offspring, but had little success. ENKI was a biologist
and genetic engineer, among other talents. The women he bred however, only produced females, which a
Sumerian cuneiform text says (according to Sitchin) was an attempt to increase the
female population of hybrids (Nefilim)
Another explanation to the dominance of Females
is that there could have been sexual incompatibility (no human male Y chromosome),which makes more sense to me.

There is an ongoing debate, however, that the Targzissians and Nagas are not one in the
same. They may only be a distant relative somehow. But others feel they are the same , being
that they carried the same icon, logo or insigma of the ´flying dragon´. But then maybe they
belong to the same federation which carries the insigma of the ´flying dragon´?

The Nagas were not considered to be cruel or murderous, but wise in the ways of the universe. The more heads a Naga had, the wiser it was. *Note in N.E. India, in a wild, forest and undeveloped region bounded by Myanmar on the east and the Indian states of Manipur on the south, a primative tribe was found to inhabit the area, calling themselves the
Naga Tribe, a Tibeto-Burman tribe , who interestingly practiced the traditon of ´head-hunting´ I wonder if they did not
take the myth seriously, believing owning these heads gave them the wisdom of the original Nagas.


Nagas of the Ancient times lived in a city called Bhogavati/Naga-loka, or Patala-loka in the Netherworld. The entrance to this grand city is supposed to be marked by ant-hills, although it is also said to be high atop Mount Meru. (Compare the Ant Hill Legend with The Hopi Indians of Arizona) In the center of their garden stands a tree of life and reincarnation guarded by an actual dragon.

Brahma is said to have relegated the Nagas to the nether regions when they became to populated on earth and commanded them to bite only the truly evil or those destined to die prematurely. Vasuki is their king. He possesses a gem on his head that can cure all diseases and gives good fortune. Vishnu is said to sleep on the coils of the ´serpent´ Ananta who holds up the earth. Females Nagas are said to be beautiful beyond description . Many family with prestigious lineage claim to be descendents of the Nagas.

In the Secret Doctrine (H.P.Blavotsky), the first Nagas--being wiser than Serpents--are the ´Sons of Will and Yoga, (Secret Doctrine, II, p.181). "Some of the descendants of the primitive Nagas, the Serpents of Wisdom, peopled America, when its continent arose during the palmy days of the great Atlantis," (Secret Doctrine ((, p.182), (Bghgavad-Gita, W. Q. Judge, p.75)

The West´s Description is somewhat different, but worth noting:
Referred to as :
´Large Nosed Greys´

They are described as being around 7-8 ft. tall and of
various colors, with reptilian type skin.
Some believe that they may have descended from a branch of bipedal sauroids which existed on earth in Ancient Times. . Via an unexplained evolution they may have developed the brain-body coordination
necessary to develop a technology of their own, more advanced than homo-sapiens.

Some species still reportedly retain a visible ´tail´ although much atrophied from their supposedly
extinct´ saurian ancestors.

Some abductees claim that the "lizard" people resemble a humanoid version of a Velociraptor. Keep in mind though, they do have the shape-shifting abilities. So however they appear to the viewer may be a deliberate camoflauge of their true appearance.

After a reputed battle in ancient times between a "pre-Scandinavian" race from the Gobi region and a Reptiloid race based in Antarctica, the reptilians allegedly lost the battle for domination of the surface world and were driven into underground networks in which they eventually developed aerial and space technology.

During this time UFO´S or Flying Disc´s were used in Battle. Adversaries of the Negas were Devas, Asuras, Gandharvas, Uragas, or Raksasas. These are all powerful races of humanoid beings that were openly active on the earth or in its general environs in Salva´s time..

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Obviously, by now, even the brain dead can see the relationship of this history to the present day UFO/Reptilian/Thule/Nazi/Fascist goings-on.


The "War of the Worlds" is REAL. The invader is Lucifer/Satan and his fallen angels. The troops are the NWO masonic occultists. They are deadly serious about their goal of a Global Fascist Totalitarian Dictatorship...

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From the Mahabharata we learn that there were Naga kingdoms between the Jumna and the Ganges about the 13th century BC [ 1800,p.39 ]. When the kings of the Lunar race of Aryans wanted to found a second capital near the spot where Delhi stands at present, they had to dislodge the Nagas who occupied it [ 1800,p.39 ]. This is the first reference to a conflict with the Nagas, and it occurred before the Mahabharata War. This was soon followed by a much larger-scale war under Krishna, Arjun and Agni.

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The Hendaye Cross is in Basque; Basques are possibly favored quarry/hosts of reptilians/nagas
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The Rh-negative Factor : "Reptilian Traits"(the DRAGON within).

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The researches of R. Frank, a scholar at the University of Iowa, suggest that the Basques were far-advanced in navigational skills and other aspects of technology long before the rise of the Roman Empire. The Basques, she believes, are the last remnants of the megalith builders, who left behind dolmens, standing stones, and other rock structures all across Europe and perhaps even in eastern North America.

Two facts set the Basque peoples apart from the other Europeans who have dominated the continent the past 3,000 years: (1) The Basque language is distinctly different; and (2) The Basques have the highest recorded level of Rh-negative blood (roughly twice that of most Europeans), as well as substantially lower levels of Type B blood and a higher incidence of Type O blood.

Some probable technological feats of the Basques or their ancestors are:

Stonehenge and similar megalithic structures....A unique system of measurement based on the number 7, instead of 10, 12, or 60 Regular visits to North America long before Columbus to fish and to trade for beaver skins. Recently unearthed British customs records show large Basque imports of beaver pelts from 1380-1433. The invention of a sophisticated navigational device called an "abacus." (No relation to the common abacus.)

(Haddingham, Evan; "Europe´s Mystery People," World Monitor, p. 34, September 1992. Cr. A. Rothovius.)
From Science Frontiers #85, JAN-FEB 1993. A9 1997 William R. Corliss

Human Genetics...

Odd, the REPTILIAN "Aliens" like Abducting the Rh-Negative Humans.

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"The word Naga is rooted in Sanskrit and means "serpent." [Further meanings from the Sanskrit-English Dictionary by Monier Monier-Williams: m. "not moving," a mountain (in Atharva Veda); the number 7 (because of the 7 principal mountains; any tree or plant (in Mahabharata); the sun.] In the East Indian pantheon it is connected with the Serpent Spirit and the Dragon Spirit. It has an equivalence to the Burmese Nats, or god-serpents. In the Esoteric Tradition it is synonymous for Adepts, or Initiates. In India and Egypt, and even in Central and South America, the Naga stands for one who is wise.

"Naga is one of a handful of rare words surviving the loss of the first universal language. In Buddhism, Wisdom has always been tied, symbolically, to the figure of the Serpent. In the Western Tradition it can be found as used by the Christ in the Gospel of Saint Matthew (10:16), "Be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."
More Nagas: Death Rays and UFOs (EM scalar technologies?)
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In India there is a strong belief in the reality of the Nagas, a race of serpent-people or lizard-men who make their homes in two major underground cities (or civilizations), Patala and Bhogavati. The latter is said to be under the Himalayas, and from there the Nagas wage war on other, human, subterraneans, from the subsurface kingdoms of Agharta and Shambala. To this day, Patala is believed by millions of Hindus to have an entrance in the Well of Sheshna, in Benares. According to herpetologist and author Sherman A. Minton, as stated in his book "Venomous Reptiles," this entrance is very real, with forty steps which descend into a circular depression, to terminate at a closed stone door which is covered in bas-relief cobras. In Tibet, there is a major mystical shrine also called "Patala," which is said by the people there to sit atop an ancient cavern and tunnel system, which reaches throughout the Asian continent and possibly beyond. The Nagas also have an affinity with water, and the entrances to their underground palaces
are often said to be hidden at the bottom of wells, deep lakes, and rivers

The Nagas are described as a very advanced race or species, with a highly-developed technology. They also harbor a disdain for human beings, whom they are said to abduct, torture, interbreed with, and even to eat. The interbreeding has supposedly led to a wide variety of forms, ranging from completely reptilian to nearly-human in appearance. Among their many devices are "death rays" and "vimana,"" or flying, disk-shaped aerial craft. These craft are described at length in many ancient Vedic texts, including the Bhagivad-gita and the Ramayana. <
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Vimana = UFO
Missles that are nuclear-weapon tipped...

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Secrets of the Hollow Earth

The interior of the Earth, some believe, is home to strange races of technologically advanced beings. Who are they and where are the hidden entrances to their subterranean cities?
Many readers of the paranormal and the unexplained are familiar with the theory that the Earth is hollow. The idea is based on the ancient legends of many cultures that say there are races of people - entire civilizations - that thrive in subterranean cities. Very often, these dwellers of the world beneath are more technologically advanced than we on the surface. Some even believe that UFOs are not from other planets, but are manufactured by strange beings in the interior of the Earth.

Who are these strange races of beings? How did they come to live inside the Earth? And where are the entrances to their underground cities?


The Network. One of the most common names cited for the society of underground dwellers is Agharta (or Agartha) with its capital city of Shamballa. The source for this information, apparently, is The Smoky God, the "biography" of a Norwegian sailor named Olaf Jansen. According to Agartha - Secrets of the Subterranean Cities, the story, written by Willis Emerson, explains how Jansen´s sloop sailed through an entrance to the Earth´s interior at the North Pole. For two years he lived with the inhabitants of the Agharta network of colonies who, Emerson writes, were a full 12 feet tall and whose world was lit by a "smoky" central sun. Shamballa the Lesser, one of the colonies, was also the seat of government for the network. "While Shamballa the Lesser is an inner continent, its satellite colonies are smaller enclosed ecosystems located just beneath the Earth´ s crust or discreetly within mountains."

How and Why They Went There. The many cataclysms and wars taking place on the surface drove these people underground, according to Secrets: "Consider the lengthy Atlantean-Lemurian war and the power of thermonuclear weaponry that eventually sank and destroyed these two highly advanced civilizations. The Sahara, the Gobi, the Australian Outback and the deserts of the U.S. are but a few examples of the devastation that resulted. The sub-cities were created as refuges for the people and as safe havens for sacred records, teachings and technologies that were cherished by these ancient cultures."

The Entrances. There are allegedly several entrances to the Kingdom of Agharta throughout the world:

Kentucky Mommoth Cave, in south-central Kentucky, US.

Mount Shasta, California, US - the Agharthean city of Telos allegedly exists within and beneath this mountain.

Manaus, Brazil.

Mato Grosso, Brazil - the city of Posid supposedly lies beneath this plain.

Iguaçú Falls, border or Brazil and Argentina.
Mount Epomeo, Italy.

Himalayan Mountains, Tibet - the entrance to the underground city of Shonshe is allegedly guarded by Hindu monks.

Mongolia - the underground city of Shingwa allegedly exists beneath the border of Mongolia and China.

Rama, India - beneath this surface city is a long lost subterranean city, they say, also named Rama.

Pyramid of Giza, Egypt.

King Solomon´s Mines.

Dero Caves, ?.

North and South Poles.


The People. In India there is an ancient belief, still held by some, in a subterranean race of serpent people who dwell in the cities Patala and Bhogavati. According to the legend, they wage war on the kingdom of Agharta. "The Nagas," according to "The Deep Dwellers," "are described as a very advanced race or species, with a highly-developed technology. They also harbor a disdain for human beings, whom they are said to abduct, torture, interbreed with and even to eat."

The Entrances. While the entrance to Bhogavati is somewhere in the Himalayas, believers assert that Patala can be entered through the Well of Sheshna in Benares, India. Says William Michael Mott in "The Deep Dwellers": "According to herpetologist and author Sherman A. Minton, as stated in his book Venomous Reptiles, this entrance is very real, with forty steps which descend into a circular depression, to terminate at a closed stone door which is covered in bas-relief cobras. In Tibet, there is a major mystical shrine also called ´Patala,´ which is said by the people there to sit atop an ancient cavern and tunnel system, which reaches throughout the Asian continent and possibly beyond. The Nagas also have an affinity with water, and the entrances to their underground palaces are often said to be hidden at the bottom of wells, deep lakes and rivers."

The Old Ones

The Beings. In an article entitled "The Hollow Earth: Myth or Reality" for Atlantis Rising, Brad Steiger writes of the legends of "the Old Ones," an ancient race that populated the surface world millions of years ago and then moved underground. "The Old Ones, an immensely intelligent and scientifically advanced race," Steiger writes, "have chosen to structure their own environment under the surface of the planet and manufacture all their necessities. The Old Ones are hominid, extremely long-lived, and pre-date Homo sapiens by more than a million years. The Old Ones generally remain aloof from the surface peoples, but from time to time, they have been known to offer constructive criticism; and it has been said, they often kidnap human children to tutor and rear as their own."

The Elder Race

The Beings. One of the most controversial tales of inner Earth dwellers is the so-called "Shaver Mystery." In 1945, Amazing Stories magazine under the editorship of Ray Palmer ran a story told by Richard Shaver, who claimed he had recently been the guest of what remained of an underground civilization. Although few really believed the story, any many suspect that Shaver may actually have been psychotic, Shaver always averred that his story was true. He contended that the Elder Race, or Titans, came to this planet from another solar system in our prehistoric past. After a while of living on the surface, they realized our sun was causing them to age prematurely, so they escaped underground, building huge subterranean complexes in which to live. Eventually, they decided to seek a new home on a new planet, evacuating the Earth and leaving behind their underground cities populated by mutated beings: the evil Dero - detrimental robots - and the good Tero - integrated robots. It was these beings that Shaver claimed to have met.

The Entrance. Despite the enormous popularity of the Shaver Mystery in Amazing Stories - Palmer milked it for all it was worth, and then some - the location of the entrance to this underground world was never divulged.

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Far fetched? Absolutely. Entertaining? You bet. There are still many, however, who believe that these underground civilizations exist and that strange races still populate them. Yet rarely do you hear of anyone mounting an expedition to seek these hidden entrances and confront the inhabitants of the hollow Earth.


If you have not figured out by now, the NAZIS were big "hollow earth" believers.

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The "War of the Worlds" is REAL.
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Living in the watery region under the earth called Patala, nagas are serpentine creatures from Hindu mythology. The are semi-divine and number one thousand. They have human faces and serpent´s tails, and reign in great splendor and guard treasures. There are four classes of naga: heavenly, divine, earthly and hidden depending on their function in guarding the heavenly palace, giving rainfall, draining rivers, or guarding treasures. It is said that nagas have the ability to make men invisible underwater. It is also said that nagas will give ones they favour soma. a drink that will grant the drinker great strength. The King of the nagas, Ananta-Shesha is said to have either seven or 1000 heads. It is said that nagas will destroy the world with fire eventually.

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Note: "It is said that nagas will destroy the world with fire eventually."

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Nuclear war and the Nagas:

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The Rama Empire was started by the Nagas (Naacals) who had come into India from Burma and ultimately from "the Motherland to the east"--or so Colonel James Churchward was told. After settling in the Deccan Plateau in northern India, they made their capital in the ancient city of Deccan, where the modern city of Nagpur stands today.

The empire of the Nagas apparently began to extend all over northern India to include the cities of Harappa, Mohenjo-Daro and Kot Diji (now in Pakistan), as well as Lothal, Kalibanga, Mathura and possibly other cities such as Benares, Ayodha and Pataliputra.

These cities were led by "Great Teachers" or "Masters" who were the benevolent aristocracy of the Rama civilisation. Today they are generally called "Priest-Kings" of the Indus Valley civilisation, and a number of statues of these so-called gods have been discovered. In reality, these were apparently men whose mental and psychic powers were of a degree that seems incredible to most people of today. It was at the height of power for both the Rama Empire and Atlantis that the war allegedly broke out, seemingly because of Atlantis´s attempt to subjugate Rama.

According to the Lemurian Fellowship lesson materials, the populace surrounding Mu (Lemuria, which predated the other civilisations) eventually split into two opposing factions: those who prized practicality and those who prized spirituality. The citizenry, or educated elite, of Mu itself was balanced equally in these two qualities. The citizenry encouraged the other groups to emigrate to uninhabited lands. Those who prized practicality emigrated to the Poseid Island group (Atlantis), and those who prized spirituality eventually ended up in India. The Atlanteans, a patriarchal civilisation with an extremely materialistic, technologically oriented culture, deemed themselves "Masters of the World" and eventually sent a well-equipped army to India in order to subjugate the Rama Empire and bring it under the suzerainty of Atlantis.

One account of the battle, related by the Lemurian Fellowship, tells how the Rama Empire Priest-Kings defeated the Atlanteans. Equipped with a formidable force and a "fantastic array of weapons", the Atlanteans landed in their vailixi outside one of the Rama cities, got their troops in order and sent a message to the ruling Priest-King of the city that he should surrender. The Priest-King sent word back to the Atlantean General:

We of India have no quarrel with you of Atlantis. We ask only that we be permitted to follow our own way of life.

Regarding the ruler´s mild request as a confession of weakness and expecting an easy victory--as the Rama Empire did not possess the technology of war or the aggressiveness of the Atlanteans--the Atlantean General sent another message:

We shall not destroy your land with the mighty weapons at our command, provided you pay sufficient tribute and accept the rulership of Atlantis.

The Priest-King of the city responded humbly again, seeking to avert war:

We of India do not believe in war and strife, peace being our ideal. Neither would we destroy you or your soldiers who but follow orders. However, if you persist in your determination to attack us without cause and merely for the purpose of conquest, you will leave us no recourse but to destroy you and all of your leaders. Depart, and leave us in peace.

Arrogantly, the Atlanteans did not believe that the Indians had the power to stop them, certainly not by technical means. At dawn, the Atlantean army began to march on the city. From a high viewpoint, the Priest-King sadly watched the army advance. Then he raised his arms heavenward, and using a particular mental technique he caused the General and then each officer in order of rank to drop dead in his tracks, perhaps of some sort of heart failure. In a panic, and without leaders, the remaining Atlantean force fled to the waiting vailixi and retreated in terror to Atlantis. Of the sieged Rama city, not one man was lost.

While this may be nothing but fanciful conjecture, the Indian epics go on to tell the rest of the horrible story, and things do not turn out well for Rama. Assuming the above story is true, Atlantis was not pleased at the humiliating defeat and therefore used its most powerful and destructive weapon--quite possibly an atomic-type weapon!

Consider these verses from the ancient Mahabharata:

...(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendour...

..it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

..The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognisable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.

After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment.24

In the way we traditionally view ancient history, it seems absolutely incredible that there was an atomic war approximately 10,000 years ago. And yet, of what else could the Mahabharata be speaking? Perhaps this is just a poetic way to describe cavemen clubbing each other to death; after all, that is what we are told the ancient past was like. Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though is not a cure.

Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:

´Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.´
I suppose we all felt that way.

When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was:

Well, yes, in modern history.

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Interestingly, one of the cities bombed by atomic weapons in WW2 was, strangely, NAGASaki.
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"...ancient Indian epics describe a series of horrific wars--wars which could have been fought between ancient India and Atlantis, or perhaps a third party in the Gobi region of western China. The Mahabharata and the Drona Parva speak of the war and of the weapons used: great fireballs that could destroy a whole city; "Kapila´s Glance", which could burn 50,000 men to ashes in seconds; and flying spears that could ruin whole "cities full of forts".

The Rama Empire was started by the Nagas (Naacals) who had come into India from Burma and ultimately from "the Motherland to the east"--or so Colonel James Churchward was told. After settling in the Deccan Plateau in northern India, they made their capital in the ancient city of Deccan, where the modern city of Nagpur stands today.

The empire of the Nagas apparently began to extend all over northern India to include the cities of Harappa, Mohenjo-Daro and Kot Diji (now in Pakistan), as well as Lothal, Kalibanga, Mathura and possibly other cities such as Benares, Ayodha and Pataliputra.

These cities were led by "Great Teachers" or "Masters" who were the benevolent aristocracy of the Rama civilisation. Today they are generally called "Priest-Kings" of the Indus Valley civilisation, and a number of statues of these so-called gods have been discovered. In reality, these were apparently men whose mental and psychic powers were of a degree that seems incredible to most people of today. It was at the height of power for both the Rama Empire and Atlantis that the war allegedly broke out, seemingly because of Atlantis´s attempt to subjugate Rama."

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More on Nagas, the Serpent People:

Nagas and Nagini are said to be a tribe of snake deities in the mythology of India,9 and they were the decendants of Kadru and Kasyapa.10 Some live in underwater palaces in Bhagavati, their city,11 while others live in Nagablea, which was under the Earth.12
For the most part, it is hard to say what the Naga´s relationship with humans was. In some cases, they were quite evil and vicious. In others, they were helpful and benevolant.13 Therefore, it false to say that Nagas were feared. As a matter of fact, in Indian mythology, there are no tales of the Naga being slain by heros.14 However, that´s not to say that Nagas were peaceful. They had one avowed enemy, the Garuda Bird.15

Since Nagas lived underground, they would also travel underground, sometimes coming to the surface for air.16 With their travels, they created the great underground cavesn and tunnels of South-East Asia.17

Like the Eastern dragons, the Nagas were also said to have divine pearls.18

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Saunaka said, ´O Sauti, relate once more in detail this history of the learned and virtuous Astika. Our curiosity for hearing it is great. O amiable one, thou speakest sweetly, with proper accent and emphasis; and we are well-pleased with thy speech. Thou speakest even as thy father. Thy sire was ever ready to please us. Tell us now the story as thy father had related it.´

"Sauti said, ´O thou that art blest with longevity, I shall narrate the history of Astika as I heard it from my father. O Brahmana, in the golden age, Prajapati had two daughters. O sinless one, the sisters were endowed with wonderful beauty. Named Kadru and Vinata, they became the wives of Kasyapa. Kasyapa derived great pleasure from his two wedded wives and being gratified he, resembling Prajapati himself, offered to give each of them a boon. Hearing that their lord was willing to confer on them their choice blessings, those excellent ladies felt transports of joy. Kadru wished to have for sons a thousand snakes all of equal splendour. And Vinata wished to bring forth two sons surpassing the thousand offsprings

p. 57

of Kadru in strength, energy, size of body, and prowess. Unto Kadru her lord gave that boon about a multitude of offspring. And unto Vinata also, Kasyapa said, ´Be it so!´ Then Vinata, having; obtained her prayer, rejoiced greatly. Obtaining two sons of superior prowess, she regarded her boon fulfilled. Kadru also obtained her thousand sons of equal splendour. ´Bear the embryos carefully,´ said Kasyapa, and then he went into the forest, leaving his two wives pleased with his blessings.´

"Sauti continued, ´O best of regenerate ones, after a long time, Kadru brought forth a thousand eggs, and Vinata two. Their maid-servants deposited the eggs separately in warm vessels. Five hundred years passed away, and the thousand eggs produced by Kadru burst and out came the progeny. But the twins of Vinata did not appear. Vinata was jealous, and therefore she broke one of the eggs and found in it an embryo with the upper part developed but the lower one undeveloped. At this, the child in the egg became angry and cursed his mother, saying. ´Since thou hast prematurely broken this egg, thou shall serve as a slave. Shouldst thou wait five hundred years and not destroy, or render the other egg half-developed, by breaking it through impatience, then the illustrious child within it will deliver thee from slavery! And if thou wouldst have the child strong, thou must take tender care of the egg for all this time!´ Thus cursing his mother, the child rose to the sky. O Brahmana, even he is the charioteer of Surya, always seen in the hour of morning!

"Then at the expiration of the five hundred years, bursting open the other egg, out came Garuda, the serpent-eater. O tiger of Bhrigu´s race, immediately on seeing the light, that son of Vinata left his mother. And the lord of birds, feeling hungry, took wing in quest of the food assigned to him by the Great Ordainer of all.".

So ends the sixteenth section in the Astika Parva of the Adi Parva.

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Nagas were with Rama:

Nagas: A mythical intelligent being with a human face and a long tail like a reptile. The Nagas are the descendants of Kadru, wife of Kasyapa. Their purpose in life is to inhabit the region of Patala under the earth. They have splendid palaces there and live in luxury. Some of their daughters have a completely human aspect and can even be beautiful, like Ulupi, who married Arjuna.

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A mythical semi-divine being, having a human face with the tail of a serpent, and the expanded neck of the cobra. The race of Nagas is said to be a thousand in number, and to have sprung from Kadru, the wife of Kasyapa, for the purpose of peopling patala, or the regions below the earth, where they reign in great splendour. From the name of their mother they are called Kadraveyas. Their mother is sometimes called Su-rasa. This dominion was taken from them by the Gandharvas, but they recovered it through their sister, the Narmada river, who induced Vishnu to send Pratardana to their assistance. Their females were handsome, and some of them intermarried with men, as Ulupi with Arjuna.

The Nagas, or a people bearing the same name, are historical, and have left many traces behind them. There were mountains so called, and Naga-dwipa was one of the seven divisions of Bharata-varsha. Kings of this race reigned at Mathura, Padmavati, &c., and the name survive in the modern Nagpur. There are various speculations as to who and what they were, but it seems clear they were a race distinct from the Hindus. The mythological accounts are probably based upon the historical, but they have been mixed up together and confused. The favourite theory is that they were a Scythic race, and probably obtained their name from worshipping serpents or holding them in awe and reverence.

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The Nagas are the Burmese Nats, serpent-gods, or "dragon demons".

Regarding this H. P. Blavatsky wrote: "What is the fable, the genealogy and origin of Kasyapa, with his twelve wives, by whom he had a numerous and diversified progeny of nagas (serpents), reptiles, birds, and all kinds of living things, and who was thus the father of all kinds of animals, but a veiled record of the order of evolution in this round?" (Secret Doctrine, II, p. 253) Another tale represents the Nagas as a semi-divine race (the race of Kadru) inhabiting the waters, or the city of Bhogavati situated under the earth: they are fabled to possess a human face with serpent-like lower extremities. Ananta (q.v.) is king of the Nagas. In The Secret Doctrine, the word Naga stands for a Serpent of Wisdom, a full Initiate -- the serpent has ever been used in Occultism as the symbol of immortality and wisdom. "In the Secret Doctrine,, the first Nagas -- beings wiser than Serpents -- are the ´Sons of Will and Yoga,´ " (Secret Doctrine,, II, p. 181). "Some of the descendants of the primitive Nagas, the Serpents of Wisdom, peopled America, when its continent arose during the palmy days of the great Atlantis," (Secret Doctrine, II, p. 182). (Bhagavad-Gita, W. Q. Judge, p. 75)

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Nagas in the Americas:

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"In those days, only a few million people inhabited the earth. Most humans were cavemen and less. The Nagas didn´t entrust their highly developed technologies to such aborigines. But they did teach them how to build simple thatch and adobe homes, and to raise vegetable and animal foods. They also taught them about the Creator of All Life, Dyaus or Jyaus. Even today the O´Odhams call it Jeoss or Josh. Joshi is one of God Shiva´s many names. Some White Arizonians mistakenly insist that the O´Odhams derived this term from Dios (Spanish for "God"), Jesus, or Joshua.

The innocent Arizona aborigines believed these Nagas from Oudh, Afghanistan (part of India until the late 1700s) were gods. They even named themselves Oudham, which they pronounced as O´Odham or O´Ot´ham. An ancient Sanskrit word for "brotherhood; fraternity" is Ton; Tahun. The Papagos called themselves Tohono O´Odham, or "Oudh-am Fraternity." Tohono now means "Desert" in the O´Odham language. The Pimas settled along winding rivers, which seemed to look like writhing serpents. They named themselves Akimel O´Odham. "Akimel" derives from the Sanskrit Ahi-Mahal (Great Serpent). This name eventually came to mean "River."

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"Other ancient Naga sea-faring miners, traders, conquerors and
colonizers who left their bloodlines and names all over the Americas
and the rest of the world were the Ute, Yuti, Yutiya, or Juti
(Jutes). The Northern Mexican Indians called the invading
Spaniards, "People-Who-Came-Before:" Yutiya ("Judeeya"); Yuti; Juti
("Jodee" or "Judee)." In Spanish, the word is usually spelled as
Yori; Yuri. "R" is trilled as in "City." "Y" often approximates
our "J." Because of the Spanish spelling, we can´t see that this
word is really the English "Jute.". Why did these Indians believe
the Spaniards were Jutes? Juti now means "non-Indian Mexicans and
Gringos." In Sanskrit, Juddhi; Yuddhi = "Conquerors." Our history
books tell us that the "Jutes" were "Northern German or Danish

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And these Nagas, Jutes, would be the Phoenicians/Canaanites...

You will recall that there is Jewish literature in the Kaballa suggesting that Cain was sired by the "Serpent." The land of Cain... Canaan.

Serpent´s Seed?

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Juteland, the Canaanite/Phoenicians, and the Tribe of Dan:

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Juteland is Denmark is Nagas/Phoenician/Canaanite/Danites...

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Jacob prophesied that Dan would be a "Serpent by the way, an adder by the path," (Gen 9:16-17) meaning that he would leave a trail wherever he would go. In the Bible we have seen evidence of this naming everything after their father "Dan," see Joshua 19:47; Judges 18:12, 27-29. When the Danites migrated to Ireland, they left a trail of names throughout Europe.

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The ´royal´ élite clan of the Aryans were (are) called the Barats and this is why you find the term Barat or Brihat in the ancient Indian culture as you do with Britain and British (Barat-ain and Barat-ish). The Indian Vedas say that "King Barat gave his name to the Dynastic Race of which he was the founder; and so it is from him that the fame of that Dynastic people hath spread so wide." Parat, Prat and Prydi, are some of the other derivatives of Barat. The original form was Barat-ana or Brithad-ana." The suffix ana in Hittite-Sumerian (Aryan) means ´one´. Ana in fact evolved into the English word ´one´ and the Scottish ´ane´. Barat-ana or Briton therefore means ´One of the Barats´ (Bruits). It is the same with many other countries occupied by this race. The name Iran comes from the earlier Airy-Ana or Air-an, which means Land of the Arrays or Aryans."

The Indian Vedas also acknowledge the goddess Barati (Belonging to the Barats), and she was known as Brihad the Divine. They say her special place was on the Saras-vati River which happens to be the modem Sarus River in the Hittite-Phoenidan land of Cilicia. The river entered the sea at Tarsus, the alleged home of St Paul in the New Testament, a work written in accordance with Aryan sun myths. Also, these Phoenicians and Aryans worshipped the serpent and the shape-shifting reptilians called the Nagas were the serpent gods of the Hindus. The Vedas, inspired by the Aryans, tell how the serpent-humans, the Nagas, could cause fantastic damage and instant death. The Nagas were also said to have appeared at the birth of the man who became known as Buddha and the serpent plays a part in the legend of Khrishna. The Roman name for Barati was Fortune after her legend as the goddess or fortune. They depicted Fortune in the same way as the Phoenicians symbolised Barati and the British do with Britannia. All were associated with water as you expect with a sea-faring race like the Phoenicians. The Egyptians, too, had a goddess called Birth, the goddess of the waters, and she was another mirror of Barati because the Aryan-Phoenicians were the force behind Egypt. Birth was described by a Babylonian emperor about 680 BC as "a Phoenician god across the sea". In Crete, another Phoenician centre under the title ´Minoan´, their goddess was Brito-Martis. She was a Phoenician goddess according to Greek and Roman legend (Barati in other words) and the divine daughter of Phoenix, the king of Phoenicia. Brito-Martis became identified with the goddess Diana, a major deity of the ancient world, and like her she was armed for the hunt. As Earl Spencer made a point of emphasising at the funeral of his sister Diana, Princess of Wales, she was named after the ancient goddess of hunting.

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"As the flood waters receded after the Venus cataclysm, the survivors came down from the mountains and up from within the Earth. They settled on the lowlands and plains and began to rebuild. This was when Sumer, Egypt and the civilization in the Indus Valley suddenly appeared at a very high level of technological advancement, although they had existed before and were now restored after the upheavals. The Sumerian society began at the peak of its development because of this sudden infusion of knowledge and the white Aryan race, originally from Mars, expanded out from the Caucasus Mountains and the Near East down into Sumer, Egypt and the Indus Valley where, as even conventional history agrees, highly advanced societies spontaneously emerged.
However, within this white race, and others also, was a genetic stream I will call reptile-Aryan or reptile-human, Whenever I use the term Aryan I am referring to the white race. These were the crossbreed bloodlines created from the genetic manipulation of the Anunnaki. The major center for the reptile-Aryan bloodlines, in the ancient world after the flood waters receded, was Babylon in the south of the Sumer region alongside the River Euphrates. A closer look at the evidence appears to date the foundation of Babylon far earlier than previously believed and it was one of the first cities of the post-flood era. It was here that the mystery schools and secret societies were formed which were to span the globe in the thousands of years that followed.

The Brotherhood which controls the world today is the modern expression of the Babylonian Brotherhood of reptile-Aryan priests and ‘royalty´ which came together there after the flood. It was in Babylon in this post flood period from around 6,000 years ago that the foundation beliefs - manipulated beliefs - of today´s world religions were established to control and rule the people. "

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Did you note above:

"The Sumerian society began at the peak of its development because of this sudden infusion of knowledge and the white Aryan race, originally from Mars, expanded out from the Caucasus Mountains and the Near East down into Sumer, Egypt and the Indus Valley where, as even conventional history agrees, highly advanced societies spontaneously emerged.
However, within this white race, and others also, was a genetic stream I will call reptile-Aryan or reptile-human, Whenever I use the term Aryan I am referring to the white race. These were the crossbreed bloodlines created from the genetic manipulation of the Anunnaki. The major center for the reptile-Aryan bloodlines, in the ancient world after the flood waters receded, was Babylon in the south of the Sumer region alongside the River Euphrates. A closer look at the evidence appears to date the foundation of Babylon far earlier than previously believed and it was one of the first cities of the post-flood era. It was here that the mystery schools and secret societies were formed which were to span the globe in the thousands of years that followed."

Aryans from Mars:

[link to www.satansrapture.com]

[link to www.planetarymysteries.com]

[link to www.sangraal.com]

[link to www.dudeman.net]

[link to www.creationism.org]

[link to www.soulinvitation.com]

[link to www.livingstonemusic.net]

[link to usnisa.org]

[link to ourworld.compuserve.com]

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There are many more websites discussing the observation that Aryans = Martians = Nagas, aligned with Rama in the last great nuclear holocaust...

Wake up!! The War of the Worlds is REAL.
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The Bhagavad Gita is the section of the Mahabharat that relates the conversation that takes place between Krishna and Arjuna on the battlefield of Kurukshetra.

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Serpent-gods are not just found in the history or mythology of the ancient Middle East. Dragons, flying serpents, and serpent-gods appear in the mythology of people throughout the world and everywhere are the creators and benevolent ancestors of man. In some cultures there also remains the lingering memory of a serpent-race that was cruel and barbaric.


Aratta is often mentioned in the Sumerian literature as a far-away land controlled by the goddess Inanna from her tutelary city of Uruk. According to the epic Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta, it lay beyond Anshan (now Iran) and a journey to Aratta required the crossing of seven mountains and dreaded river Kur.

It has been suggested that Aratta may be the same as Harappa of the lost Indus Valley civilization. Harappa, along with Mohenjo-daro, was a city of the ancient Dravidians, the legendary serpent people who preceded the Aryan occupation of India.

In the 1920s, archaeologists made some amazing discoveries in the Indus River Valley. The ruins of two large ancient cities were excavated, one called Mohenjo-daro was on the Indus River proper, the other Harappa was on the Ravi, a major branch of the Indus located in the Panjab or Land of the Five Rivers. Like the cities of Mesopotamia and the Nile Valley, they were built on the alluvial plains. However, unlike these other cities, Mohenjo-daro and Harappa seem to have sprung up fully planned. Both were identical in layout. While no ziggurats were found, each city had a mound ten meters high, a sort of artificial platform.

These cities did not evolve from primitive villages but were completed as cities within a century or so. They were built from "scratch" as if by an outside force. In other words, they were constructed as a colony, probably by the Sumerians, and presumably by Enki, their chief engineer.

The cities sprang up about 3500 to 3000 BC and later came to a violent end around 2000 BC or soon thereafter, according to archaeological evidence. What has puzzled historians is that the people who lived here are not related to the Aryans who came some 500 to 600 years later and settled in the Panjab and Gangetic plain. Like the ancient Sumerians, the people of Mohenjo-daro and Harappa spoke an unknown language.

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The Ancient Book of Dzyan, probably the oldest of Sanskrit sources, speaks of a serpent race which descended from the skies and taught mankind. Madame H. P. Blavatsky spent three years in Tibet, Bhutan, and Sikkim, accumulating thousands of Sanskrit sources which were compiled into the Book of Dzyan. These sources concern the ancient people called the Nagas or Sarpa which were semi-divine beings with a human face and the tail of a dragon. Blavatsky believed that these Sarpa are undoubtedly the Seraphim of the Old Testament; the Seraphim would thus have the same etymological roots as the Sarpa of ancient India.

Hindu mythology and literature in also replete with the sexual liaisons of gods and mankind, and of the procreation of numerous strange beings called Dravidian and Dasyus. This race reportedly lived in large walled cities. They were a coarse, cannibalistic people, dark-skinned and flat-nosed. The Aryans who came later ran into the remnants of these serpent people; they are vividly described in the Ramayana :

"Near Bhogavata stands the place where dwell the hosts of the serpent race, a broad-wayed city, walled and barred, which watchful legions keep and guard. The fiercest of the serpent youth, each awful for his venomed tooth, and throned in his imperial hall is Vasuki who rules them all."

The antediluvian Dravidians had been wiped out by the Deluge. when the Earth was repopulated, Harappa and Mohenjo-daro became the center of the Dravidian culture.

Much of the evidence that Dravidian, Dasyus, and Nagas were all different names for these people can be found in the great epics of India, the Mahabharata and the Ramayana. Both epics concern the early Aryan contacts with these serpent people, some which were friendly, others hostile. Due to the intermarriage of the Aryans with these people, a sort of ambiance, a love-hate relationship, seems to permeate these two great epics.

In the epic Mahabharata, a group of "celestials" arrive by aerial car to attend the wedding feast of the Aryan kings:

"The gods came in cloud-borne chariots, came to view the scene so fair. Winged Suparnas, scaly Nagas, bright celestial cars in concourse sailed upon the cloudless sky."

These Nagas intermarried with Aryans, producing kings and heroes. For example, in the Rig Veda there are names like Divodasa which indicate that there was some cross-breeding between Dasyus and Aryans soon after 1500 BC.

[Comment: This date falls into the period 1600-700 BCE.]

Many of the ancient Hindu gods mated with humans and, like in Sumer, produced a hybrid mammal-reptile, the semi-divine kings which resound throughout the literature of both Sumer and India.

The Hindu literature of India asserts that divine people had descended and conducted biological experiments with apes. In fact, Hanuman the monkey god, who with Rama is the hero of the epic of the Ramayana, was conceived when the god Shiva gave a sacred cake to Anjan, the ape. This obvious reference to a genetic experiment produced Hanuman, the super-monkey, very much reminiscent of the Enkidu of the Gilgamesh epic.

[Comment: According to my linguistic and mythological research, the Hindu God Shiva would be the equivalent of the Nibiruan Enki, co-creator of the Adamu and Eva.]


One of the great epics of India, the Ramayana, is the story of Sita, the bride of a northern Prince called Rama, who is abducted by Ravana, the serpent king of Ceylon [the modern Sri Lanka].

[Comment: My hypothesis is that Rama is Nibiruan Prince Utu (Greek Apollo) and that Sita is Nibiruan Duchess Aya (Greek Artemis).]

Rama chases the army of Ravana across India with the help of a force of monkeys under the command of the monkey-general Hanuman. Ravana retreats to his island kingdom of Ceylon, supposedly safe from pursuit. But Hanuman builds a bridge of boulders across the straits separating the island from the mainland, and Sita is rescued by Rama.

Throughout the story, Ravana is described in barbaric terms - he "feeds on humans" and "drinks the blood of his foe." He is formidable in battle and almost defeats Rama when he uses his special Naga weapon, described as a "Naga-dart serpent noose," which seems to paralyze his enemies and drain their energy and life-force. Like all divine and semidivine creatures in mythology, Ravana had access to sophisticated weapons.

Ceylon, the island kingdom of Ravana, is the stronghold of the Nagas. It is described as the home of the Nagas in very ancient Chinese sources. In one of the first literary references to Ceylon, when it traded with China before the Aryan occupation of India, it is described as a land of strange reptilian-like creatures. Because of its gems and spices and its convenient location as an entrepot, it became popular with Chinese merchants.

Fa-Hsien, the Chinese pilgrim trader, disclosed that originally the island was occupied by Nagas or serpent deities with whom merchants of various countries carried on a trade. The Nagas never showed themselves to the outsiders. They simply set forth their precious commodities with price labels attached to them. The visiting merchants made their purchases according to price and took the things away.

The other great epic of India is the Mahabharata, the longest and perhaps the greatest epic poem in any language. Much older than the Ramayana, it consists of 88,000 verses. The main theme is the rivalry between two branches of the same family, the Kurus. The Pandavas and the Kauravas fight a war which culminates in the near destruction of both branches of the family at the great battle of Kuruksetra.

As the story begins, King Pariksit of the Kauravas shot a deer while hunting with bow and arrow. Pursuing the deer, he asks an ascetic if he had seen the wounded deer. Observing a vow of silence, the sage did not answer. This angered Pariksit who then took a dead snake and placed it around the sage´s neck. The ascetic´s son Srnga was incensed and put a curse on Pariksit. Thus started the blood feud between the two families.

Significantly, a third party intervenes. Angry over the blasphemous use of one of their own kind, the serpent-gods enter the story. Taksaka, the king of the serpent-people, sends snakes who cause the death of Pariksit.

The story of the blood feud is actually narrated as something which happened in the dim past. Since the ancient kingdom of the Kurus flourished along the upper course of the Ganges in the 14th and 13th Centuries BC [Comment: Again within the time-period 1600-700 BCE.], the events may have taken place in the early days of the Aryan invasion when there was much intercourse with the Nagas.

The Mahabharata story begins with the great sacrifice of King Janamejaya. As the story is narrated by the sage Vyasa, the son of Pariksit, King Janamejaya performs a ceremony to avenge his father´s death, a snake sacrifice called the "yajna." Its purpose is to totally destroy the Nagas, the serpent-gods which supposedly could assume snake or human form at will, and one of which killed Pariksit.

In the ritual, the priest invokes the names of the serpents as they toss live snakes into the fire. Astika, the son of the serpent-king Taksaka, intervenes and pleads with Janamejaya to let his relatives live. The war stories and other narratives were then told as revolving tales at these sacrifices which were of long duration. It is the view of the Indian historian D. D. Kosambi that the "yajna" itself was not so much an account of a great war but rather it was the story of the great "yajna" sacrifice. In other words, it was a symbolic ceremony of propitiating their serpent ancestors while at the same time expelling them from their cultural heritage.

In the struggle between the two branches of the Kurus to control the plains of the upper Ganges, there is a reflection of the wars of the sons of Enlil and Enki in the area of Mesopotamia. In the Hindu epic, the Pandavas seem to be the victor since they regain most of their kingdom which had been lost earlier. Started with conventional weapons of the period, such as spears, swords, bow and arrow, the war escalates into the use of more powerful and sophisticated ones supplied by the gods on both sides.

These weapons have all the characteristics of modern missile and nuclear systems. In one instance, one side hurls a missile which is countered by an opposing missile in the sky. The explosion of the two missiles as they meet causes many deaths below on the ground. The battle has modern connotations. It is as if one side launched a ballistic missile which was countered by a nuclear-tipped anti-ballistic missile and destroys the incoming missile, causing a deadly rain of radioactive fallout.

After a prolonged war, the Kauravas find themselves losing and in desperate straits. It is then that they decide to end the war through the use of forbidden tactics. In the middle of the night, they descend on the unsuspecting sleeping Pandavas and slaughter most of the warriors. Incensed by the breach of the rules of warfare and the decimation of their army, the Pandavas decide that they have no choice but to use the ultimate weapon, the "celestial weapon" that is capable of defeating all other weapons.

The leader of the Kauravas decides to discharge a similar weapon, one which apparently produces radioactivity, for he declares, "I will direct this weapon upon the wombs of the Pandava women." He predicts that the Kuru line would become extinct "for the fetus will die." His warning comes true for the weapons produce sterility in all the Pandava women. The war between the Kuru cousins finally ends in a stalemate with the near obliteration of both branches of the family.


While the serpent-god shows up in the form of the dragon in Chinese history and mythology, there is no doubt that we are dealing with the winged, legged serpent or Naga of the Hindus. China chose the dragon as the national emblem for profound reasons. They believed that the Celestial Dragon was the father of the First Dynasty of Divine Emperors and as a result the dragon´s pictorial emblem became regarded as inspiring divine beneficence to the land of China.

According to Chinese history, Asian dragons were present at the Creation and shared the world with mankind. Like the Western serpent, the dragon was linked with the development of Man; and it was the dragon that taught him the essential arts such as how to make fire, how to weave nets for fishing, and how to make music.

The Chinese dragon was unrivaled in wisdom and its power to confer blessings and as a result came to symbolize that most beneficent of men, the Emperor who was believed to have dragon blood. This affinity with the dragon is shown by the imperial accoutrements: the Emperor sat on a dragon throne, rode in a dragon boat, and even slept in a dragon bed.

According to Charles Gould in his classic work on Chinese mythology, the belief in the existence and friendship of the dragon is thoroughly woven into the life of early Chinese history. The Vih King, the most ancient of Chinese books, whose origins are cloaked in mystery, describes the days when man and dragon lived together peaceably and even intermarried, how the dragons came to represent the Emperor and the throne of China, and how the Chief Dragon had its abode in the sky.

In the year 212 BC, the Emperor Tsin-Shi Hwang-Ti ordered all ancient books destroyed and the persecution of learned men for a period of four years [Comment: the first "cultural revolution"?]; and as a result of which, at one time 460 savants were buried alive together. During this orgy of suppression of ancient knowledge, the Vih King was considered so sacred that it was specifically exempted from the edict.

[Comment: It is intriguing - although it is probably purely coincidental <?> - that the ancient Library of Alexandria was burned to the ground around this same time-period. That library, too, housed all of the sacred and most ancient of texts from the Middle Eastern civilizations.]

In this classic, many of the ancient emperors are described as having dragon-like features as, for example, Hwanti which Gould dates to 2697 BC. The Emperor Yaou (2356 BC) is said to have been conceived by a dragon father and a human mother. Emperor Shun, dated to 2255 BC, is described as having the countenance of a dragon.

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Kurukshetra (nuclear battlefield in antiquity?):

The location for the "Battle of Kurukshetra", between the Pandavas and the Kauravas; as told in the ancient Indian epic of the Mahabharata, has been found listed in the Old Testament of the Holy Scriptures in, II Kings 3:25-27 as "Kirhareseth" or "Kir" of Southern Moab or in I Kings 22:1-40 as "Karka" in the district of Hamath, in Northwestern India-Edom, and matching the designation of King "Kuru" in the Mahabharata. Since historic biblical references list both "Kir" or "Kirhareseth" and "Karkar" as possibly being the same place... though obviously at different times if we consider the battles to be different. I would favor the Ahab-Shalmaneser battle account for the "Kurukshetra" epoch.

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Isaiah 16:7 Therefore shall Moab howl for Moab, every one shall howl: for the foundations of Kirhareseth shall ye mourn; surely [they are] stricken.

John Wesley´s comments state, "Kirhareseth — An ancient and eminent city of Moab, which was preserved when their other cities were ruined, and therefore the destruction of it was more lamented."

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Isaiah 16:11 Wherefore my bowels shall sound like an harp for Moab, and mine inward parts for Kirharesh.

2 Kings 3:25 And they beat down the cities, and on every good piece of land cast every man his stone, and filled it; and they stopped all the wells of water, and felled all the good trees: only in Kirharaseth left they the stones thereof; howbeit the slingers went about [it], and smote it.

Jeremiah 48:31 Therefore will I howl for Moab, and I will cry out for all Moab; [mine heart] shall mourn for the men of Kirheres.

Jeremiah 48:36 Therefore mine heart shall sound for Moab like pipes, and mine heart shall sound like pipes for the men of Kirheres: because the riches [that] he hath gotten are perished.


The Book of Jasher, Chapter 84:

11 And the children of Israel passed the boundary of the children of Esau in those days, at the end of nineteen years, and they came and passed the road of the wilderness of Moab.

12 And the Lord said to Moses, besiege not Moab, and do not fight against them, for I will give you nothing of their land.

13 And the children of Israel passed the road of the wilderness of Moab for nineteen years, and they did not fight against them.

14 And in the thirty-sixth year of the children of Israel´s departing from Egypt the Lord smote the heart of Sihon, king of the Amorites, and he waged war, and went forth to fight against the children of Moab.

15 And Sihon sent messengers to Beor the son of Janeas, the son of Balaam, counsellor to the king of Egypt, and to Balaam his son, to curse Moab, in order that it might be delivered into the hand of Sihon.

16 And the messengers went and brought Beor the son of Janeas, and Balaam his son, from Pethor in Mesopotamia, so Beor and Balaam his son came to the city of Sihon and they cursed Moab and their king in the presence of Sihon king of the Amorites.

17 So Sihon went out with his whole army, and he went to Moab and fought against them, and he subdued them, and the Lord delivered them into his hands, and Sihon slew the king of Moab.

18 And Sihon took all the cities of Moab in the battle; he also took Heshbon from them, for Heshbon was one of the cities of Moab, and Sihon placed his princes and his nobles in Heshbon, and Heshbon belonged to Sihon in those days.

19 Therefore the parable speakers Beor and Balaam his son uttered these words, saying, Come unto Heshbon, the city of Sihon will be built and established.

20 Woe unto thee Moab! thou art lost, O people of Kemosh! behold it is written upon the book of the law of God.

21 And when Sihon had conquered Moab, he placed guards in the cities which he had taken from Moab, and a considerable number of the children of Moab fell in battle into the hand of Sihon, and he made a great capture of them, sons and daughters, and he slew their king; so Sihon turned back to his own land.

22 And Sihon gave numerous presents of silver and gold to Beor and Balaam his son, and he dismissed them, and they went to Mesopotamia to their home and country.

23 At that time all the children of Israel passed from the road of the wilderness of Moab, and returned and surrounded the wilderness of Edom.

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The Bible describes that as the Israelites in their Exodus came to the country east of the Jordan, king Sihon of the Amorites refused to let them pass through his country. The Israelites fought him in a battle, gaining complete victory. His walled towns were captured and the complete Amorite country was taken by the Israelites, who killed the king and "all his people." (Num. 21:21-30, Deut. 2:24-37).

Numbers 21:35 So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him remaining; and they possessed his land.

In a similar way the Israelites took the country of Og, and these two victories gave them possession of the complete country east of the Jordan, from the Arnon to the foot of the Hermon. These victories, among the earliest successful campaigns of the Israelites, quickly became legendary among them, and are referred to numerous times in the Bible as prototypical examples of God-given victory.

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The Moabites were destroyed by the Amorites: Here´s what happened. About 1450 B.C., the Moabites were conquered and driven from their land by Sihon, king of the Amorites.

It´s in Numbers 21:26-29, "For Heshbon was the city of Sihon, the king of the Amorites, who had fought against the former king of Moab, and taken all his land out of his hand, even unto Arnon. (29) Woe to thee, Moab! thou art undone, O people of Chemosh: he hath given his sons that escaped, and his daughters, into captivity unto Sihon, king of the Amorites."

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Moab´s god was Chemosh at the time Moab was invaded by Sihon, king of the Amorites.

Amorites: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Rig Veda &#2315;&#2327;&#2381;&#2357;&#2375;&#2342; (Sanskrit &#7771;c ´praise´ + veda ´knowledge´) is the earliest of the four Hindu religious scriptures known as the Vedas. It consists of 1,017 hymns (1,028 including the apocryphal valakhilya hymns 8.49-8.59) composed in Vedic Sanskrit, many of which are intended for various sacrifical rituals. These are contained in 10 books, known as Mandalas. This long collection of short hymns is mostly devoted to the praise of the gods. However, it also contains fragmentary references to historical events, notably the struggle between the early Vedic people (known as Aryans) and their enemies, the Dasa.

The chief gods of the Rig-Veda are Agni, the sacrificial fire, Indra, a heroic god that is praised for having slain his enemy Vrtra, and Soma, the sacred potion, or the plant it is made from. Other prominent gods are Mitra, Varuna and Ushas (the dawn). Also invoked are Savitar, Vishnu, Rudra, Pushan, Brihaspati, Brahmanaspati, Dyaus Pita (the sky), Prithivi (the earth), Surya (the sun), Vac (the word), Vayu (the wind), the Maruts, the Asvins, the Adityas, the Rbhus, the Vishvadevas (the all-gods) as well as various further minor gods, persons, concepts, phenomena and items.

Some of the names of gods and goddesses found in the Rig-Veda are found amongst other Indo-European peoples as well: Dyaus is cognate with Greek Zeus, Latin Jupiter, and Germanic Tyr, while Mitra is cognate with Persian Mithra and Ushas with Greek Eos, Latin Aurora and, less certainly, Varuna with Greek Uranos. Finally, Agni is cognate with Latin ignis and Russian ogon´, both meaning "fire".

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Chemosh, was the god of the Moabites (Num. 21:29; Jer. 48:7, 13, 46). The word Chemosh meant the destroyer, subduer, or fish-god. Chemosh also means five in semitc languages.

According to the Christian Bible, the worship of this god, "the abomination of Moab," was introduced at Jerusalem by Solomon (1 Kings 11:7), but was abolished by Josiah (2 Kings 23:13). On the "Moabite stone" (q.v.), Mesha (2 Kings 3:5) ascribed his victories over the king of Israel to this god, "And Chemosh drove him before my sight."

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The Nagas from Dilmun:


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Dilmun (sometimes transliterated Telmun) is associated with ancient sites on the islands of Bahrain in the Persian Gulf. Because of its location along the sea trade routes linking Mesopotamia with the Indus Valley Civilization, Dilmun developed in the Bronze Age, from ca 3000 BCE, into one of the greatest entrepots of trade of the ancient world.

There is both literary and archaeological evidence for the trade between Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley (probably correctly identified with the land called Meluhha in Akkadian). Impressions of clay seals from the Indus Valley city of Harappa were evidently used to seal bundles of merchandise, as clay seal impressions with cord or sack marks on the reverse side testify. A number of these Indus Valley seals have turned up at Ur and other Mesopotamian sites. "Persian Gulf" types of circular stamped rather than rolled seals, known from Dilmun, that appear at Lothal in Gujarat, India, and Faylahkah, as well as in Mesopotamia, are convincing corroboration of the long-distance sea trade. What the commerce consisted of is less sure: timber and precious woods, ivory, lapis lazuli, gold, and luxury goods such as carnelian and glazed stone beads, pearls from the Gulf, and shell and bone inlays, were among the goods sent to Mesopotamia in exchange for silver, tin, woolen textiles, perhaps oil and grains and other foods. Copper ingots, certainly, bitumen, which occurred naturally in Mesopotamia, may have been exchanged for cotton textiles and chickens, major products of the Indus region that are not native to Mesopotamia— all these have been instanced.

Mesopotamian trade documents, lists of goods, and official inscriptions mentioning Meluhha supplement Harappan seals and archaeological finds. Literary references to Meluhhan trade date from the Akkadian, the Third Dynasty of Ur, and Isin - Larsa Periods (ca 2350 - 1800 BCE), but the trade probably started in the Early Dynastic Period (c. 2600 BC). Some Meluhhan vessels may have sailed directly to Mesopotamian ports, but by the Isin - Larsa Period, Dilmun monopolized the trade. By the subsequent Old Babylonian period, trade between the two cultures evidently had ceased entirely.

Evidence about Neolithic human cultures in Dilmun comes from flint tools and weapons. From later periods, cuneiform tablets, cylinder seals, pottery and even correspondence between rulers throw light on Dilmun. Written records mentioning the archipelago exist in Sumerian, Akkadian, Persian, Greek, and Latin sources.

Dilmun, sometimes described as ´the place where the sun rises´ and ´the Land of the Living´ is the scene of a Sumerian creation myth and the place where the deified Sumerian hero of the flood, Ziusudra (Utnapishtim), was taken by the gods to live for ever.

There is mention of Dilmun as a vassal of Assyria in the 8th century BCE and by about 600 BCE it had been fully incorporated into the Neo-Babylonian Empire. Dilmun then falls into deep eclipse marked by the decline of the copper trade, so long controlled by Dilmun, and the switch to a less important role in the new trade of frankincense and spices. The discovery of an impressive palace at the Ras al Qalah site in Bahrain is promising to increase knowledge of this late period.

Otherwise there is virtually no information until the passage of Nearchus, the admiral in charge of Alexander the Great´s fleet on the return from the Indus Valley. Nearchus kept to the Iranian coast of the Gulf, however, and cannot have stopped at Dilmun. Nearchus established a colony on the island of Falaika off the coast of Kuwait in the late 4th century BCE and explored the Gulf perhaps least as far south as Dilmun/Bahrain. From the time of Nearchus until the coming of Islam in the 7th century AD Dilmun/Bahrain was known by its Greek name of Tylos. Shapur II annexed it, together with eastern Arabia, into the Persian Sasanian empire in the 4th century CE.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Note: "The Bahrain National Museum assesses that its ´Golden Age´ lasted ca 2200 - 1600 BCE. Its decline dates from the time the Indus Valley civilization suddenly and mysteriously collapsed, in the middle of the second millennium BCE. This would of course have stripped Dilmun of its importance as a trading center between Mesopotamia and India."

What caused the "sudden and mysterious" collapse of the Indus Civilization?

Nuclear war?

The era of the nuclear war was 2200-2100 before the birth of Christ.

The area of the nuclear war was in or about Moab.

What data support this?

"The Indus Valley Civilization, 2800 BC–1800 BC, was an ancient civilization thriving along the Indus River and the Ghaggar-Hakra river in what is now Pakistan. The Indus Valley Civilization is also sometimes referred to as the Harappan Civilization of the Indus Valley, in reference to its first excavated city of Harappa, or the Indus Sarasvati Civilization, in reference to the Sarasvati river which supposedly dried up at the latest in 1900 BC. The largest concentration of Indus Valley sites appears to be east of the Indus, at and near the region where once the ancient Sarasvati River probably flowed.

The Indus Civilization peaked around 2,500 BC in the western part of South Asia. Geographically, it was spread over an area of some 1,250,000 km², comprising the whole of modern day Pakistan and parts of modern-day India and Afghanistan. The Indus Civilization is among the world´s earliest civilizations, contemporary to the great Bronze Age empires of Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt. It declined during the mid 2nd millennium BC and was forgotten until its rediscovery in the 1920s."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Harappa is a city in Punjab, northeast Pakistan, located beside a former course of the Ravi River; about 35km southwest of Sahiwal.

The modern town is built beside the remains of an ancient fortifed city, which was part of the Cemetery H and Indus Valley Civilisations. The city existed from about 3300 BC [1] until 1600 BC.

In 2005 a controversial amusement park scheme at the site was abandoned when builders encountered large quantities of artefacts during initial construction work. A plea from the prominent Pakistani archaeologist Ahmed Hasan Dani to the Ministry of Culture resulted in a re-survey of the site and cancellation of the project amid accusations of corruption and incompetence.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The ruins of the ancient cities of Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa are extremely radioactive.

Practically nothing is known of their histories, except that both were destroyed suddenly. In Mohenjo-Daro, in an epicentre 150 feet wide, everything was crystallised, fused or melted; 180 feet from the center the bricks are melted on one side, indicating a blast.

Excavations down to the street level revealed 44 scattered skeletons, as if doom had come so suddenly they could not get to their houses. All the skeletons were flattened to the ground. A father, mother and child were found flattened in the street, face down and still holding hands.

It has been claimed that the skeletons, after thousands of years, are still among the most radioactive that have ever been found, on a par with those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

[link to www.archaeologyanswers.com]

The story begins when a layer of radioactive ash was found in Rajasthan, India. It covered a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. The research occurred after a very high rate of birth defects and cancer was discovered in the area. The levels of radiation registered so high on investigators’ gauges that the Indian government cordoned off the region. Scientists then apparently unearthed an ancient city where they found evidence of an atomic blast dating back thousands of years: from 8,000 to 12,000 years. The blast was said to have destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people.

Archeologist Francis Taylor stated that etchings in some nearby temples he translated suggested that they prayed to be spared from the great light that was coming to lay ruin to the city. “It’s so mind-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare.” When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death. A. Gorbovsky, in Riddles of Ancient History, reported the discovery of at least one human skeleton in this area with a level of radioactivity approximately 50 times greater than it should have been due to natural radiation. Furthermore, thousands of fused lumps, christened “black stones”, have been found at Mohenjo-Daro. These appear to be fragments of clay vessels that melted together in extreme heat.

Another curious sign of an ancient nuclear war in India is a giant crater near Bombay. The nearly circular 2,154-metre-diameter Lonar crater, located 400 kilometres northeast of Bombay and aged at less than 50,000 years old, could be related to nuclear warfare of antiquity. No trace of any meteoric material, etc., has been found at the site or in the vicinity, and this is the world’s only known “impact” crater in basalt. Indications of great shock (from a pressure exceeding 600,000 atmospheres) and intense, abrupt heat (indicated by basalt glass spherules) can be ascertained from the site."

[link to www.philipcoppens.com]

"The kingdom of Agarttha, the place that cannot be found, supposedly existed on an island in a wonderful lake, in what´s now the Gobi desert. It was opposed by Shambhala, somewhere in the Himalayas. Both kingdoms were lost to the Earth after a terrible war. Without spoiling the Dark.Matter novels, there is a description of Agarttha that very strongly implies an extensive use of nanotechnology.

The Hindu epic ´Mahabharata´ tells of a war of flying machines and wonders, brought to a close by the loosing of the thunderbolt of Indra, which burned up armies and turned the land to ashes. There are hints of a still more terrible weapon in the dance of Shiva, which shakes the world apart (the original of Oppenheimer´s quote at the Trinity nuclear test: "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds").

Channelers and retellers of supposed Indian legends have described the Rama Empire, a nation of benevolent mental powers, that engaged in a terrible war with another empire of machines and deadly weapons. The Rama Empire has been identified as the ancient Harappa civilisation, mysteriously ruined, with radioactive skeletons found in the streets of its destroyed cities.

So, to draw all of this together:

15,500 years ago, in the midst of the Age of Leo, the greatest flux yet seen of Agni (the fine permeating substance known to the Hoffmann Institute as dark matter), the Universal Empire of Agarttha either created the etoile, or was built by them. They seeded all of the citizens with nanites to strengthen them as warriors and to control them.

In a great war with Shambhala, the empire was destroyed, and all of the etoile were burned up by terrible weapons. Only those on other Earths (whether they came from there, or were sent there to explore) survived. The Agartthan humans with their nanites were scattered, leaderless, their high technology broken, and relentlessly hunted by Shambhalan assassins. They became no different than any other human tribe, fleeing across continents until they vanished in the desert."

[link to homepages.ihug.com.au]

[link to www.s8int.com]

250 more sources of information about unusual radioactivity found in the Harappa area:

[link to www.google.com]

Radioactivity at Rajasthan, India:

Efforts to pass this off as a leak in a nuclear reactor:

[link to biiss.org]

September 23, 2000 VNN6283 Comment on this story

Ancient City Found, Irradiated From Atomic Blast



Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous

A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators´ gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945."

[link to www.vnn.org]

[link to www.rense.com]

Nuclear testing there?

"Making Waves Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty and Seismic Testing

NS 13 Jun 98 18

BEFORE dawn on 11 May, a seismograph in a research institute outside Washington DC recorded a disturbance deep in the Earth on the other side of the world. Over ´the next feiv minutes, dozens of other seismographs all over the planet recorded the same event and transmitted their data automatically to the institute-the prototype International Data Center (pIDC). A computer analysed the signals and gave its interpretation: an "event" of magnitude 5.0 on the Richter scale under Rajasthan in India. Later that morning, seismologists at the pIDC studied the signals and recognised the event as a nuclear test. The job of the institute is to test the technology for detecting nuclear bomb tests around the world. From next year its successor, the real international Data Center in Vienna, will be charged with policing the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT), which outlaws all nuclear explosions. Whether it can do so adequately has become the subject of a fierce debate. For it emerged that the seismic monitoring network under trial by the plDC failed to diagnose India´s tests accurately.. In particular, it failed to detect the second explosion, which New Delhi claims yielded between 0.2 and 0.6 kilotons."

[link to www.dhushara.com]

Ancient City Found In India Irradiated By Nuclear Blast 8,000
Years Ago

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous

A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a
three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are
investigating the site, where a housing development was being

Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence
shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000
to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a
half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear
bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.

An ancient battle is described in the Drona Parva, a section of
the Mahabharata. ´The passage tells of combat where explosions of
final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors
with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if
they were dry leaves of trees,´ says [researcher] Ganguli.


For all it´s worth:

The descriptions of the holocaust from the DRONA PARVA section of
the MAHABHARATA as relayed by this Kroniatalk person are entirely
correct - by which I mean that these descriptions ARE contained in

However, it should be kept in mind that deities (and planetary
ones at that) also took part in this warfare in which the "Triple
City" was destroyed.

Even so, as I had long ago realized, the descriptions of this
battle, and especially its aftermath, read very much like a modern
atomic confrontation. Personally, I do not believe that atomic
weapons were known during the time of the Bharata War, but this
has always left another door open - which raises the question:
Could the planetary thunderbolts (the weapons of the Bharata War)
which brought the Saturnian configuration to an end have been
imbued with nuclear energy? I´m sure Thornhill will be against
this notion and, not to be misunderstood, I am only posing the
question. But one thing HAS to be kept in mind: As already stated,
and I could supply more quotes, the descriptions in the DRONA
PARVA are identical to descriptions that came out of the Hiroshima
bombing and, in fact, I have compared the DRONA PARVA battle, item
by item, with the Hiroshima event. These events match.

As for the reported discoveries of sites in India which bear
radioactive strata, I had never before now read anything of the
sort and, as far as I know, nothing of the sort has made it into
the type of news-literature I usually peruse.

I´m curious: how would an electrical explanation of the
phenomenon account for the residual radiation?

I would guess that we always need to keep that pot on the back
burner -- the possibility that previous civilizations have already
"blasted themselves back into the stone age." So I won´t discount
it completely.

But the Mahabharata is not at all alone in describing "an unknown
weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death". This
is certainly the same story told round the world of the gods and
their lightning-weapons. That´s why the working title of Dave and
Wal´s upcoming book is "Thunderbolts of the Gods". So, if this
ancient city was destroyed by an atomic bomb, then there must have
been many other bombs dropped as well to generate the many other

The other possibility (the one that I favor) is that the
description of gigantic thunderbolts is a description of
interplanetary electrical interactions.

And, like particle accelerators in labs, a planetary thunderbolt
would also be capable of initiating both fusion and fission
reactions that could produce radioactive isotopes. Certainly
something of that sort happened to the dinosaurs in Colorado --
paleontologists have to hide their finds because old prospectors
(with Geiger counters) would grind up dinosaur bones for their
uranium content. Like the article reports in India, many areas of
the Rockies produce rocks which (when used in building foundations and
fill) lead to some of the highest rates of cancer and
deformities in the USA.

Thanks for your reply. You mentioned

> the possibility that previous civilizations have already
>"blasted themselves back into the stone age."

One reason I find this possibility incredible is the extensive
infrastructure required to create nuclear weapons, and the
intense contamination caused by nuclear reactors, chemical plants
(for making conventional explosives), electronics factories, etc.
As far as I know, no evidence of such ancient toxic sites exists.
And the nuclear explanation cannot account for the "fighting sky
chariots," or the imagery of lightning bolts. (As we know too
well, nukes are more like "balls of fire.")

I asked about electrical causes of residual nuclear radiation,
and I like your answer:

> ...like particle accelerators in labs, a planetary thunderbolt
>would also be capable of initiating both fusion and fission
>reactions that could produce radioactive isotopes.

Stupendous discharges could involve temperatures great enough for
fusion (around 10^8 - 10^9 K), and if enough unstable isotopes
were created, some radiation might remain after thousands of
years. One could estimate the magnitude of the discharge from
the amount and kind of residues. I´d think that given the
geology of a site, one could also search for "combustion
products" typical of such temperatures in the local surface and
building materials.

Please understand that I am a complete novice to the theories of
catastrophism, and largely skeptical (for want of having read the
evidence). But the idea enchants me, both the scope of the
questions it addresses, and the audacity of its claims. It´s a
pleasure to be part of your discussion.

My answer is not intended to be definitive but is just exploring
some alternatives to an atomic weapon explanation.

First of all it is helpful to get some things into perspective.
The US military has what is called a FAB, a fuel-air-bomb that is
comparable to a nuclear weapon in explosive energy release and
destruction. The device works simply by exploding an aerosol
device that mixes a huge amount of flammable gas such a propane
with a comparable amount of air into an explosive mixture over a
huge area, and then detonates it in a huge and widespread
fireball. The magnitude of the size of the aerosol cloud before
detonation is what gives this device such destructive potential.

Secondly, it is apparent that in a catastrophe on October 8, 1871
around the Chicago area and know as the Great Chicago Fire, a
small piece of a comet entered the Earth´s´ atmosphere and both
discharged electrically and exploded and burned an area that
covered parts of four states.

Material that would be coming at us from outer space would most
probably be coming from a non-oxygenating environment and could
consist of almost any material;, many of which would react
violently in the Earth´s Oxygen-Nitrogen atmosphere. It is
helpful to understand that for the non-metallic elements Oxygen
and Nitrogen are the second and third most chemically reactive
elements behind Fluorine. A chunk of material coming in could be
partly elemental Phosphorous, Selenium or Sulphur, for instance.
Even vaporized Fe has a tremendous reactive potential when
suddenly released into Oxygen/Nitrogen. According to Velikovsky´s
research we have significant reason to believe that chunks of
frozen hydrocarbons--naphtha, methane, ethane, propane, acetylene,
etc.--have intersected the Earth and rained down fire and
flammable material with devastating results.

Thirdly, in the electrical universe view of things, it is possible
and even probable for incoming material to be charged--sometimes
even HIGHLY charged--in relationship to the Earth, and then, after
glowing brightly on its way into our electrical environment, to
discharge in a bolt or bolts between it and the Earth. Such a
discharge could or would fragmentize or vaporize this material,
and in a moment release the combined electrical, chemical and
kinetic energy, and could easily make our largest nuclear weapons
look puny by comparison.

Finally, it is a postulate of the electric universe view that such
highly energetic discharges in/through our atmosphere can and do
initiate a degree of nuclear fusion, say, between O & O giving S
and can rain down a shower of radioactive material, or otherwise
produce radioactivity and remenant magnetism around the crater or
rille. And, there is nothing to say that incoming material cannot
be already radioactive.

I hope this helps us all see that there is a significant range of
possibilities for the above type of destruction other than
postulating that such was a designed-by-intelligence nuclear
weapon in purposeful warfare. Probably variations of the above
scenario have happened MANY times down through the ages and around
the world. Consider the Tunguska event. See Dr. V´s writings
regarding the time around Sennacherib in _Worlds in Collision_ and
other articles in Pensee and Kronos concerning such destructive
fireballs as well as discharge-induced fusion. I also hope that
you continue to sleep well:>)

My background is in ionizing radiation, but (as with everyone else
on the planet) I have had no experience with fission or fusion
caused by interplanetary lightning or thunderbolt strikes. One
can only speculate. I would simply like to point out that Mark´s
mentioned an essential point that must be considered in any study
of the possibilities. Although a self described novice, he
pointed out that "One could estimate the magnitude of the
discharge by the amount and kind of residues ... and could search
for "combustion products".

I am doubtful about estimating the magnitude of the thunderbolt,
but he is solidly on the mark about studying the amounts and kinds
of [radioactive] residues and combustion products. Such a study
could likely shed light on whether fission or fusion took place,
when it took place, and the amount of fissioning/fusioning that
occurred. It could also eliminate possibilities such as the
radiation being natural, or even modern contamination events (such
as surreptitious disposal or dispersal of radioactive waste).

For example, Amy mentioned radioactive dinosaur bones and wondered
what caused that. Knowing that the radionuclide is uranium
strongly suggests that the radioactivity is natural. Determining
the isotopic ratio of U235/U238 would confirm it, and a careful
analysis of decay products associated with the uranium would
clinch it with near absolute certainty. There is also a mechanism
that is known ... uranium deposits were created when solubilized
uranium flowed through underground interstices until it arrived at
a place (different pH, different chemical environment, etc.) where
it left solution and precipitated. Dinosaur bones back then might
have contained (and apparently did contain) the right chemicals to
cause the precipitation. I think radioactive dinosaur bones are
well known and the cause understood, although I once did a quick
search to confirm this and found that the literature to be scant
(nonexistent). I didn´t find anything, but I have a strong
recollection of seeing an article somewhere on dinosaur bones
contaminated with uranium, during my career in environmental

I am left wondering if the astronauts on the moon were able to
collect any information that would shed light on the specific
radionuclides that are responsible for the enhanced radiation of
craters on the moon (mentioned by Wal). If so, the data could
shed a lot of light on the mystery.

I have a large collection of dino bones from Colorado and Utah.
These are from many different species and come from different
geological periods too. They all are radioactive. The bones from
Moab, Utah show the same amount of radioactivity as the bones from
Fruita in Colorado. Both areas are famous for their uranium
deposits. The question is, are these bones contaminated? I
purchased at one time some fossilized eggs from China, and they
show radioactivity as well, so the bones from Argentina. Anna

I am assuming that all of the radioactivity is from contamination
by natural uranium, which decays predominantly by alpha emission.
Alpha radiation is extremely hazardous if it gets inside the body,
but poses negligible threat otherwise, as alpha particles cannot
penetrate the dead layer of skin. However, the alpha decay and
subsequent decays are accompanied by beta and gamma radiation,
which can penetrate the skin and can be hazardous if there is
enough of it. I would recommend that you not eat any of the bones
(which hardly needs to be said), and that you also not store them
under your bed or anywhere where you are apt to spend a lot of
time very near them.

I´m curious: how would an electrical explanation of the
phenomenon account for the residual radiation?

There is absolutely no reason to attribute nuclear technology to
ancient people. Velikovsky gave the answer to this question
decades ago in the 1950´s when he claimed in Earth in Upheaval,
"Should an interplanetary discharge take place between the Earth
and another celestial body, such as a planet... with possibly
billions of volts of potential difference and nuclear fission or
fusion, the effect would be similar to that of an explosion of
many hydrogen bombs...". He claimed in advance that some craters
on the Moon would exhibit enhanced radioactivity. That was later
discovered to the surprise of geologists.

The specific appearance and action of the electric discharge is
the realm of the plasma physicist and high-voltage electrical
engineering. The tornadic effects "causing crowds of warriors with
steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they
were dry leaves of trees" is expected from the rotary nature of
such a discharge and the acceleration of matter upwards. The
strange type of burning associated with an electric arc is also
expected and was reported in the famous Chicago fires at the time
of the return of Biela´s comet. It is also interesting, given the
widespread association of "thunderstones" with lightning, that the
blast should be called an "iron thunderbolt". The parasol imagery
is interesting and potentially important.


Well, I guess that answers the question I posed in my previous
message re this discussion. However, let´s be careful here. The
Triple City destroyed during the DRONA PARVA battle compares with
the triple city associated with the Saturnian/Martian hero and
must therefore be understood as a celestial entity. (I won´t go
into details here, but think of the Saturnian enclosure, or band,
which, at one time, was composed of three individual rings before
it separated into seven.)

If that is the case, then the warriors involved in this battle
would also have had to have been celestial entities (Talbott´s
hordes of darkness?).

And yet, the ills that befell the CONQUERING army, together with
their steeds and elephants, as also the damage suffered by
buildings and innocent birds, compare so favorably with the
aftermath of a nuclear holocaust, that one is torn between
accepting the entire event as being TOTALLY celestial or only

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Nagas and the Deccan Plateau:

"Deccan Plateau, region in India, extending south of the Narmada River to the Nîlgiri and Palni hills, and bordered by the Western and Eastern Ghats mountain ranges. The Deccan Plateau has an undulating terrain, with elevations averaging about 600 m (about 2000 ft). However, some hills reach 1200 m (4000 ft). At the plateau´s margins in the Western Ghats, a steep escarpment drops sharply to the narrow Malabar Coast on the Arabian Sea. To the east the plateau descends more gradually to a broader alluvial plain extending into Andhra Pradesh and Orissa states. Several major rivers, including the Kâveri (Cauvery), Godâvari, Krishna, and Penner, flow across the eastward-tilting plateau before reaching the Bay of Bengal. The Deccan Plateau has a dry season that lasts six to nine months. Much of its surface is covered by thorn scrub forest interspersed with small areas of deciduous broadleaf forest. The term "Deccan" comes from the Sanskrit word dakshina, meaning "the south." It is also applied more generally to the entire Indian Peninsula."

[link to india.punjabilit.com]


[link to www.cyclingscholar.com]

"The Deccan Plateau ranks as the world´s fourth largest (volumetrically) subcontinental outpouring of plateau basalt lavas extruded at unstable margins during active plate tectonic movements. Once covering more than 1,000,000 km2 with an average thickness of 1 km, its present subaerial volume of 500 000 km3 is 2.5 times larger than the Columbia Plateau basalts, but smaller than flood basalts associated with the Karroo lavas of Africa, the Siberian Plateau in Asia, and the Paraná Plateau of South America (Windley, 1984).

This scene shows a part of the surviving Deccan cover along the west coast of the peninsula section of India."

[link to geoinfo.amu.edu.pl]

"The term "Deccan" comes from the Sanskrit word dakshina, meaning "the south". The Deccan Plateau encompasses the four states of Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu. Most of the southern peninsula is a fertile rice growing region. The term Deccan Plateau is sometimes used to indicate the region south of the Narmada river, and to include parts of Maharashtra, Gujarat, and Madhya Pradesh states."

[link to www.kamat.com]

Much info on nagas and Deccan Plateau here:

[link to www.google.com]

And, notably, from the Theosophists here:

[link to theosophy.org]

"The Nasik caves are carved into the Pandu-Lena Mountains, whose name indicates a persistent folk belief that all such Cyclopean structures were the work of the Pandavas. They were wrought by several generations and more than one sect´, a Sanskrit inscription on a portion of the later work pointing to a date of 453 B.C. speaks of the Buddha and of Buddhist monasteries. The first caves, two hundred and fifty feet from the base of the conical-shaped hill, are filled with Buddhist, Jain and Shaivite iconography as well as a large statue of the elder brother of the Pandavas, Yudhishthira. Some European archaeologists have shown reluctance to credit the artistic excellence of the Indian cave temples with more than a very occasional antiquity extending beyond the Christian era. They contended that the great cave at Elephanta was basically of the same style as that at Karla and therefore of the same date. H.P. Blavatsky asserts, however, that "whereas at Karli everything is built and carved after a carefully thought out plan, at Elephanta it seems as if thousands of different hands had wrought at various times, each following its own idea and fashioning after its own plan". She claims that Elephanta is much older, "dating from the epoch immediately following the ´Great War´, Mahabharata"."

[link to theosophy.org]

As you can see above, H.P. Blavatsky refers to the Mahabharata "Great War" -- which we have seen above was apparently a nuclear war.

There´s allegedly a crater near Bombay from this war...

[link to www.google.com]

"What about physical evidence? In the ancient Euphrates Valley, archaeologists in 1947 on a site were digging in layers dating prior to 8,000 B.C. Below an even older layer dating to the caveman culture times was a layer of fused green glass. An atomic detonation above desert sand will fuse the sand & turn it into a beautiful sheet of green glass. Lightening strikes may sometimes fuse sand to glass but always in a distinctive jagged pattern. Comets or meteors can also fuse sand to glass, but there are to many such occurrences without any other signs, namely impacts for it to be contributed to space. This ´atomic´ fused green glass occurs in many different locations of the African continent and in the North American continent. There are also unexplained Vitrified ruins around the world. Stone buildings with the blocks literally melted together by immense heat. At least 60 such ruins are found in Scotland. These are not simple, small one-room buildings. These are entire forts & communities, stone after stone, all liquefied then hardened again, fused together. More such sites are found in France, Turkey, the Middle East and the United States. The only thing we have that resembles these structures in modern times is the building in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. We created similar effects with the detonation of a nuclear warhead."

[link to forums.atlantisrising.com]

[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

Here are is a site I found with references to the Egyptian and Greek accounts of possible nuclear warfare.

“We turned the switch, saw the flashes, watched for ten minutes, then turned everything off and went home. That night I knew the world was headed for sorrow” – physicist Leo Szilard, atomic bomb builder

“(It was) a single projectile, charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as the thousand suns, rose in all its splendor…it was an unknown weapon...which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas…the corpses were so burned as to be recognizable. The hair and nails fellout; pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white…after a few
hours all foodstuffs were infected…” – The Mahabharata.

During the first Egyptian “pyramid war”, between Horus and Seth, Horus strikes: “…(and he) let loose against them a storm which they could neither see with their eyes, nor hear with their ears. It brought death to all of them in a single moment…” (Sitchin, 1985). This sounds to me like the gamma-ray and neutron pulse from a sub-kiloton nuclear weapon, which has no fireball and the nuclear radiation extends far beyond the blast wave.

Zeus battles the Titans: “The hot vapor lapped around the Titans, of Gaea born, flame unspeakable rose bright to the upper air. The Flashing glare of the Thunder-Stone, its lightning, blinded their eyes-so strong it was. Astounding heat seized Chaos…It seemed as if Earth and wide Heaven above had come together, a mighty crash, as though Earth was hurled to ruin. Also were the winds brought rumbling, earthquake and dust storm, thunder and lightning.” (Sitchin, 1985). I would guess that this was a large nuclear weapon which was detonated on or close to the ground, thus producing a large mushroom cloud.

Zeus conquering Thyphon: “A flame shot forth from the stricken lord in the dim, rugged, secluded valley of the Mount, when he was smitten. A great part of huge earth was scorched by the terrible vapor, melting as tin melts when heated by man’s art…in the glow of a blazing fire did the earth melt down.” (Sitchin, 1985).

Biblical references to nuclear warfare:

- The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah: “…(Abraham) looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah…and he beheld and saw a smoke rising from the earth, as the smoke of a furnace.” (Gen 18:27).

- “…and the Lord sent thunder and hail, and the fire ran along upon the ground; and the Lord rained hail upon the land of Egypt.” – Exodus 9:23

- “And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the Lord cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.” – Joshua 10:11

-“And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.” – 2 Kings 1:12

-“Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them.” – Psalms 21:9

- “A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about.” – Psalms 97:3
- “Thou shalt be visited of the Lord of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.” – Isaiah 29:6
There are many other clues regarding nuclear warfare. Childress (2000) discusses ancient atomic warfare, first Hattusas (Bogazkoy) in Turkey where “parts of the city are vitrified, and the walls of rock are partly melted.” He then discusses Sodom and Gomorrah and compares them with Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He thinks Sodom, Gomorrah, Zoar, Admah and Zeboiim (Gen. 14:2) were destroyed, creating the Dead Sea. He quotes L.M.Lewis, “Footprints on the Sands of Time”, who argues for atomic explosions. And he quotes from the Mahabharata an excellent description of an atomic battle in which Arjuna is given a “celestial weapon” which he cannot use against humans “for it might destroy the world”, but he could use it against “any foe who is not human.”

From the Mahabharata, as quoted by Charles Berlitz (1972), is probably the best description of ancient atomic warfare one can find: “…(it was) a single projectile, charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as the thousand suns, rose in all its splendor…it was an unknown weapon, and iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas…the corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out; pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white…after a few hours all foodstuffs were infected…to escape from this fire the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment.”

Steinhauser (1975) relates a story from the Ramayana: “…when the god Rama was threatened by a ‘army of monkeys’ (men or robots?) he put a ‘magic arrow’ into action. This produces a flash of lighting ‘stronger than the heat from a hundred thousand suns’, turning everything to dust. The hair of survivors falls out, their nails disintegrate. We know of such magic weapons from Sodom and Gomorrah, and from Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”

Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa, Pakistan: David Davenport (1996), who spent 12 years studying ancient Hindu scripts and evidence at the ancient site of Mohenjo-Daro, declared in 1996 that the city was instantly destroyed 2,000 years bc. The city ruins reveal the explosion’s epicenter which measures 50 yards wide. At that location everything was crystallized, fused or melted. Sixty yards from the center the bricks were melted on one side indicating a blast…the horrible mysterious event of 4000 years ago was recorded in the Mahabharata. According to that text “white hot smoke that was a thousand times brighter than the sun rose in infinite brilliance and reduced the city to ashes. Water boiled…horses and war chariots were burned by the thousands…the corpses of the fallen were mutilated by the terrible heat so that they no longer looked like human beings…”

From one of the oldest chronicles of India...the Book of Dzyan:

"Separation did not bring peace to these people and finally their anger reached a point where the ruler of the original city took with him a small number of his warriors and they rose into the air in a huge shining metal vessel. While they were many leagues from the city of their enemies, they launched a great shining lance that rode on a beam of light. It burst apart in the city of their enemies with a great ball of flame that shot up to the heavens, almost to the stars. All those who were in the city were horribly burned and even those who were not in the city - but nearby - were burned also. Those who looked upon the lance and the ball of fire were blinded forever afterward. Those who entered the city on foot became ill and died. Even the dust of the city was poisoned, as were the rivers that flowed through it. Men dared not go near it, and it gradually crumbled into dust and was forgotten by men. When the leader saw what he had done to his own people he retired to his palace and refused to see anyone. Then he gathered about him those warriors who remained, and their wives and children, and they entered their vessels and rose one by one into the sky and sailed away. Nor did they return."

Childress (1999) also presents sketches of the Citadel of Mohenjo-Daro and a discussion of its destruction by nuclear explosion. Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro were the main cites of the “Harappa Culture” of the Indus Valley, an amazingly uniform and advanced urban civilization existing between 2500 and 1500 bc, the beginnings of which remain obscure.

About Parshaspur near Srinagar, Kashmir, David Childress (2000) states, “It is a scene of total destruction; huge blocks of stone are scattered about a wide area giving the impression of explosive annihilation.”

Zecharia Sitchin (1985) devotes an entire chapter to a discussion of nuclear warfare in ancient times in Mesopotamia and the Sinai peninsula. In this book he also suggests the destruction of the Sinai “space facilities” by nuclear weapons. He offers as evidence “…the immense cavity in the center of the Sinai and the resulting fracture lines (see figure), the vast surrounding flat area covered with blackened stones, traces of radiation south of the Dead Sea, the new extent and shape of the Dead Sea – is still there, four thousand years later”. He maintains that the radioactive fallout from this operation wiped out the area around Sumer for a period of 70 years, until 1953 bc.

So did the gods use nuclear weapons in their struggles with each other and with mankind? You be the judge!
[link to galacticconnection.com]

This site here has some information but seems to be a little on the freaky side as it clearly states that the "Hall of Records" has been found! Here is the reference to Ancient Nucs:
Thousands of years ago nuclear warfare literally blew away people´s
consciousnesses. Thousands of years ago the simultaneous detonation of
numerous nuclear weapons generated massive electro-magnetic energy
pulses which swept the earth. These mammoth EMP´s erased the full
memories and consciousness of most humans. Only those individuals who
had activated their own internal electro-magnetic energy fields were
able to escape the memory loss caused by the external Electro-Magnetic
Pulses (EMP´s).

And so it was that writing came into existence on planet Earth not as an
advance in civilization but because of the diminished size of people´s
electro-magnetic energy fields of consciousness and the decreased space
that was available in their conscious memories. Smaller sized energy
fields of consciousness and memory loss meant people´s ability to access
and process information became severely limited. Thus, all the wealth of
knowledge, including the history of humanity, etc, all disappeared from
the conscious memories of most humans on earth as a result of one moment
of intense nuclear warfare. People´s ability to remember everything that
had happened in their lives, both past and present, was blasted into
oblivion. The lack of memory forced humanity to begin the laborious
process of writing.

In Egypt and elsewhere those few spiritually oriented individuals who
had activated their own personal electro-magnetic energy fields were
able to retain their memories when the EMP´s swept the earth. These few
remaining Enlightened Ones were scattered around the world. On every
continent these few Enlightened Ones who were left created Mystery
Schools which became the depositories of human knowledge. These schools
also taught in secret certain sacred spiritual techniques to those who
were ready. These techniques enabled students to become Enlightened and
thus they were able to carry on the school´s traditions of maintaining
vast amounts of knowledge for humanity. In this manner, certain secret
information, knowledge and techniques of the ancients continued to be
passed down from generation to generation.
The site address is: [link to www.merkaba.org]

This site has some references to Ancient nucs and reactors: [link to www.s8int.com]

Some drawings of Vimanas done in the early 1900´s: [link to www.atributetohinduism.com]

OH, Oh! In my search I think I´ve found the reason why Controversial theorists are not allowed at Giza. Coming straight from the horse´s mouth. (Hawass)
In 1993, John West and his team were physically expelled from the site by Dr Zawi Hawass then (and now) the Egyptian government´s Chief Inspector of Antiquities for the Pyramids and the Sphinx. He appeared to be angered by the suggestions that the suggestion that the Sphinx might be far older than the civilisation of Egypt itself - and thus the work of a lost civilisation - and was particularly incensed by an NBC television film that was made about the team´s work. This film linked the Sphinx to Atlantis and suggested that the chamber beneath the paws might contain the legendary ´Hall of Records´ of Atlantis. Hawass called these claims, "American hallucinations...There is no scientific base for any of this. We have older monuments in the same area. They definitely weren´t built by men from Atlantis. It´s nonsense and we won´t allow our monuments to be exploited for personal enrichment. The Sphinx is the soul of Egypt."
[link to www.crystalinks.com]

For some reason, Stitchin seems to be the forerunner of this theory about the Pyramid Wars which is supposedly an account of Egyptian Nucleur Warfare, as I can´t find much information on it that doesn´t refer to his work.
Here is some brief parts from the Seth-Horus battle: According to traditions, Horus had established a divine metal foundry at Edfu (also spelled Idfu), at which unique weapons made of “divine iron” were forged. It was there also that Horus trained his army, men called mesniu (“Metal People”). The mesniu, according to Egyptian traditions, were the first men ever to have been armed by the gods with weapons made of metal. They were also the first men to have been enlisted by a god to fight in the wars between the gods.

Horus first secured the area between Aswan and Edfu. With men-warriors armed and trained, Horus then advanced northward toward the heartland of Egypt. The Sumerian goddess, Inanna, which the Egyptian text calls by her Canaanite name, Ashtoreth, joined Horus and his grandfather Ra, as they advanced northward. A major battle took place in the “water district” the chain of lakes that separates Egypt from the Sinai Peninsula. Seth’s army went down to defeat first, and then Horus and Seth engaged in personal combat. The end result was that Seth was banished from Egypt. Some traditions claim he took up abode in Asiatic lands, while others believe he became the god of Canaan. This latter aspect, adds some intriguing authenticity to the Egyptian versions.

c. 8,620 B.C.E. Meanwhile, back at the Egyptian ranch, Lord Earth [Geb] had given to Horus and his line, Upper and Lower Egypt. Seth assumed dominion outside Egypt, and thereafter was deemed by the traditions of Egypt to have become an Asiatic deity (The land of Canaan existing within the confines of the continent of Asia).

It is noteworthy that Seth was never shown without an animal disguise -- his face was never seen. It’s possible Horus wiped out any indication of Seth’s appearance, as a public relations gambit for his new reign (and to clean up the disjointed succession from Osiris to Horus). There is also the possibility that if Seth was the same as Canaan, then the cursing of Canaan would have made his name mud, and the local Egyptian authorities may have preferred to have no identifying characteristics of Seth in the files -- just in case Interpol went out looking for Canaan and checking out all of his aliases. It is a curious thing that Seth’s name and its meaning still defy Egyptologists. The fact that it is identical to Adam and Eve’s third son is probably not relevant. But then again...???

There is also probably worth mentioning another commonality among legends and traditions of the ancient lands. Dumuzi, son of Enki, who was given the Sudan of Africa as his birthright, is known as the son who married Inanna. In fact, the love tales of Inanna and Dumuzi are some of the most beautiful stories in the Sumerian Literature. It is particularly noteworthy that Inanna undergoes a Descent into the Underworld, and that Dumuzi ended up there, in the typical dead-fashion customary in that locale.

Thus many similarities exist between Inanna and Dumuzi and between Isis and Osiris. There are also some differences, but these differences may be culturally biased and result from the different traditions as they were handed down though the ages. But the equivalence of Inanna and Isis would explain why in Horus’s march north against Seth, reference is made to his being accompanied by Ashtoreth, the Canaanite goddess equivalent to Inanna (Sumerian) and/or Ishtar (Babylonian). Isis had as much a grievance against Seth as anyone (for Osiris’ death), and if Inanna is the same as Isis, then Inanna was, in effect, Horus’ mother! (Nothing like having a mother go to war with her kid!)
Here´s the link if you want to read more: [link to www.halexandria.org]

Here´s an interview with Stitchin: [link to www.ufonet.it]

Straight Egyptian accounts: [link to members.aol.com] [link to www.darkstar1.co.uk] (Horus on island of Fire?!)

[link to forums.atlantisrising.com]

[link to www.atlantisquest.com]

"The Mahabharata contains more than one account of a powerful islandic empire in the Atlantic which sank to the bottom of the "Western Ocean" following a horrendous war. As in the Vishnu Purana, it is called "the White Island, Atala" (which can be linked linguistically with the word "Atlantis"). Atala is described as an "island of great splendour," and its inhabitants are said to worship only one God (Santi Parva, Section CCCXXXVII).

Another description is remarkably similar to Plato´s, even down to its circular capital city, Tripura! Tripura is made in three concentric parts, just as Plato´s Metropolis is divided into three parts by concentric canals. During the war of the gods and Asuras, the Asura capital, "Triple-city" with all its inhabitants, is sent burning to the bottom of the "Western Ocean" (Mahabharata). "

[link to www.atlantisquest.com]

And back to Bombay crater:

"Another curious sign of an ancient nuclear war in India is a giant crater near Bombay. The nearly circular 2,154-metre-diameter Lonar crater, located 400 kilometres northeast of Bombay and aged at less than 50,000 years old, could be related to nuclear warfare of antiquity. No trace of any meteoric material, etc., has been found at the site or in the vicinity, and this is the world´s only known "impact" crater in basalt. Indications of great shock (from a pressure exceeding 600,000 atmospheres) and intense, abrupt heat (indicated by basalt glass spherules) can be ascertained from the site."

[link to www.audarya-fellowship.com]

It is Lonar crater:

Lonar crater
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Lonar is a meteor crater in India.

Latitude: N19° 58´ Longitude: E76° 31´

It is the world´s largest impact crater in basaltic rock and is located in the Buldhana district of Maharashtra State. Lonar ranks third amongst the world’s five largest craters and has a saline water lake.

It is 1.83 km in diameter and 170 metres in depth, and the age is estimated to be 52000 ± 6000 years. (Pleistocene)

For a detailed map of Lonar crater created using GPS technology, click on the link below:

Lonar Crater Map
Lonar crater is situated around 550 km from Mumbai, around 160 km from Aurangabad and around 140 km via Buldhana with about 4 1/2 hours drive southeast of the famous Ajanta Caves. The nearest railway station is Malkapur, on the Mumbai - Bhusawal - Nagpur route of Central Railways of Indian Rail around 100 km from Lonar.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Map, etc., here: [link to www.geocities.com]

[link to www.google.com]

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

Or, was Lonar crater just a meteorite impact?

[link to www.khagolmandal.com]

There´s debate: "In 1896 the scientific patriarch G.K. Gilbert pointed out its similarity with the Meteor crater but he rejected the impact origin of these craters. There were a few studies after but none suggested an impact origin. In 1952 C.A.Cotton in his monographic work entitled as ´Volcanoes as landscaped forms´ doubted volcanic origin because of lack of recent volcanic process in Indian sub-continent and thus preferred meteoritic origin for Lonar crater. So a debate started: is Lonar crater an astrobleme or a geobleme?"

"The idea of impact origin then became even stronger when V.K. Nayak of Centre for Advanced Study in Geology, University of Saugar, Madhya Pradesh, India found glassy objects at the crater site. He found glassy objects varying from 1mm to 5 cm that can be formed by melting and fusion of rock during an impact. In the drilled out material he found breccia with shocked features, broken and twisted plagioclase, feldspars, strongly oxidised basalt. All these are the features of shock metamorphosis associated with the rock that receives an hypervelocity impact."

Or was it a nuclear blast?

[link to www.khagolmandal.com]

[link to www.ingentaconnect.com]

Short, N.M. 1965. A comparison of features characteristic of nuclear
explosion craters and astroblemes. Annals New York Acad.
Sci., 123, pp. 573-616.

[link to www.ingentaconnect.com]

"hardly a few craters on the earth are studied well with reference to this point. Lonar crater has surprisingly well-preserved ejecta. Thus this ejecta should be studied further and then it should be conserved also. Crater floor is almost flat harbours a shallow saline lake."

A meteorite would make a pointed mound in the center of the hit (fluid dynamics) and would not be "almost flat" and be a salt-lake. Sounds like a nuclear crater here...

And then back to the Deccan Plateau...

That´s where the Lonar crater is:

[link to www.google.com]

The basalt is from the Deccan Plateau...

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And here we are again:

[link to www.nexusmagazine.com]
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"The Rama Empire was started by the Nagas (Naacals) who had come into India from Burma and ultimately from "the Motherland to the east"--or so Colonel James Churchward was told. After settling in the Deccan Plateau in northern India, they made their capital in the ancient city of Deccan, where the modern city of Nagpur stands today."

[link to www.nexusmagazine.com]

Nagpur, India:

Deccan Traps:

[link to www.absoluteastronomy.com]

[link to www.nationmaster.com]

[link to www.mantleplumes.org]

Temples in Deccan Traps/Plateau:

[link to www.maharashtratourism.gov.in]

[link to www.maharashtratourism.gov.in]

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Nagas from Burma?

Who are the Nagas? (Indo-Naga Talks)
By R Silas

The Nagas are racially and ethnically from a distinct Sino-Mongoloid stock totally different from the mainland Indian stock - Dravidian and Aryan groups. The Nagas are freedom loving and warlike people and a powerful race.

Linguistically, they have mutually intelligible dialects from tribe to tribe even though they are derivation from the Tibeto-Barman groups. They are living in the present Nagaland, Naga Hills of Manipur (Senapati, Tamenglong, Ukhrul, Chandel districts), in the north Cachar, Mikhir Hills Lakhimpur, Nagaon, Sibsagar in Assam, in the North-East of Arunachal Pradesh, in the Somra-tract and its contiguous parts of Myanmar (Burma). Nagas are the first settlers of this virgin land, indigenous people to the place.

There are more than 82 Naga tribes living under two different countries - India and Myanmar. Today Nagas are about three millions. These people are commonly called - NAGA. All different Naga tribes regard themselves as the flowers and fruits of the same garden. The government of the Nagas like a gardener tends all plants and flowers with equal care and love. If we claim to be civilized, we must develop our thoughts for the poor and the suffering, chivalrous regards and respects for women, faith in human brotherhood, regardless of race or color, nation or religion, love of peace and freedom, abhorrence to cruelty and ceaseless devotion to the claims of justice.

Discipline for freedom:-
Lovers of freedom overlook paradox: There is no true freedom without discipline. An ordered and discipline live give us freedom to do the things we want to do. So discipline is essential, we do not require a dictator to impose disciplines. We should have a self-disciplined love to the freedom of democracy.

We should enjoy freedom from egoism, selfishness, idleness, ignorance, indifference, pride, hypocrisy, fear, inactivity, inferiority, complex and pessimism in individual life. We should enjoy freedom from crime, manipulation, dictatorship, brainwashing, politicalization, opportunism, slavery and other social evils.

We should enjoy freedom from sins, superstition, injustice, immorality, fanaticism, untouchability, falsehood/untruth, communalism, iniquity, imperialism, colonialism etc. Freedom is our cherished legacy from the past, our greatest treasure of the present, and our sacred responsibility to the future. We must keep international laws, human rights; respect all human beings, Human rights, Good government authorities and government ministers of ministry elected from among citizens of a country as people’s representative to aid/help the Government. All NGOs, Clubs, Union, Associations and all citizens are under Rules of Laws of the country and under the administration of the government.

There is neither Jew nor Greek. There is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, all are in God through Jesus Christ. We must love all human beings as ourselves not to use opportunities for selfish gain, but through love, serve one another. If we bite and devour, beware we are consumed by one another. Our time is a peerless time. We must do everything according to the will of God in His ways. Otherwise we shall perish altogether in no time of we do according to the lust of human flesh. In this World there are troubles, problems, wars etc. from the very beginning of human existence.

Love and non violence, tolerance, cooperation and truth are the only means to solve the problems. At present the Indo-Naga talk is progressing towards the solution of the problems, troubles, conflicts between them skillfully for amicably political settlement in peaceful bilateral talk between the two authorities - Prime Minister and his bureaucratic assistants and the leader of the NSCN (IM) and his bureaucratic assistants.

In view of the above reasons let us trust them and follow their leadership faithfully without giving hindrance because Manipur belong to India. It is the Indo-Naga talk. It is not the talk between Manipur valley people and the Nagalim people. So all individuals, club (UCM), all political parties can give their views and opinions to both the parties for consideration to get the goal of the talk. The experts of both parties (India-Nagas) will solve the integrity of Territorial Boundaries under the guidance and policy of the both authorities.

(Courtesy: The Imphal Free Press)

[link to www.manipuronline.com]

Note: "Linguistically, they have mutually intelligible dialects from tribe to tribe even though they are derivation from the Tibeto-Barman groups."

Tibeto-Burman language:

"Tibeto-Burman is one of two major branches of the Sino-Tibetan
family, the other being the Sinitic (Chinese) languages. The
Chinese and TB branches of ST are strikingly different in their
morphological and syntactic typology. The TB branch consists of
2-300 languages spoken primarily in the uplands of Inner, South,
and Southeast Asia. TB languages are found from Sichuan and
Qinghai in the north to the southern extremity of Myanmar, and
from northwestern Vietnam in the east to northern Pakistan in the

[link to www.uoregon.edu]

"Straightforward geographical considerations would suggest as
a center of dispersal for the Tibeto-Burman languages somewhere
in eastern Tibet. Here the headwaters of the Jiangzi (Yangtze)
and the great bend of the Tsangpo-Brahmaputra are scarcely two
hundred kilometers apart, with the Mekhong and the Salween in
between them, and the Irrawady and Chindwin systems rising not
far to the south."

[link to www.uoregon.edu]

[link to www.google.com]

Eastern Tibet:

"The Tibetan Buddhist pantheon includes a host of protector deities, including gods (devas), demigods (asuras), sacred serpents (nagas), eagles with human arms and torsos (garudas), demons (rakss) and heavenly musicians (gandharvas, kinnaris and kinnaras). These beings are usually shown as part of the assembled audience in scenes of the Buddha preaching. They also figure prominently in Tibetan Sacred Dance ceremonies."

[link to library.shu.edu]

"When the first Karmapa, Dusum Khenpa, visited Drikung, he saw
Kyobpa Jigten Sumgon Ratnashri as the Buddha himself and, developing
great faith in him, received his teachings. The kings of India, China.
and Tibet all recognized him and Maldrozichen, a king of the Nagas,
offered to maintain the growing number of disciples at Drikung. Thus
Drikung reached to the heights of spiritual and academic excellence.
Kyobpa Jigten Sumgon sent many disciples to the sacred places such as
Mount Kailas, Lache (near Nepal), and Tsari (near Arunachal Pradesh).
Thus the Drikung Kagyu became the keepers of these holy places. It was
in his 76th year that he experienced Mahaparinirana."

[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

"According to some Tibetan legends, Nargarjuna received the book “Para Martha,” according to others the book “Avatamsaka,” from the Nagas, fabulous creatures of the nature of serpents, who occupy a place among the beings superior to man, and who are regarded as protectors of the law of the Buddha. [1] To these spiritual beings Shakyamuni is said to have taught a more philosophical religious system than to men, who were not sufficiently advanced to understand it at the time of his appearance. In a Chinese biography Nargarjuna is described as an exceedingly clever man, who considered his theory to be entirely different from that of Buddhism in its contemporaneous form, until, after conversation with the Nagas, he discovered an exactly similar doctrine to have been taught by the Buddha Shakyamuni himself. Hence the biographer infers the system to contain the same principles as those of genuine Buddhism, though it is “more sublime.” This vindication of orthodoxy naturally leads to the conclusion, that Nargarjuna followers were well aware of their being in opposition to the Hinayana schools, which they would have reproached with heresy, had the latter not adopted some of the principles established in the new system, and by doing so, admitted the correctness of the innovations thus introduced. The Hinayana system existed still for many centuries; Hiuen Thsang, in his reports, frequently mentions that he has met during his travels adherents of the "little vehicle.""

[link to www.buddhistinformation.com]

Note from above, "Nagas, fabulous creatures of the nature of serpents, who occupy a place among the beings superior to man..."

"Serpent spirits (lu, nagas) are demi-gods, and there are other various spirits that live in the netherworld. The human mind in the middle realm is the stage on which these gods, demons and spirits interact with human beings."

[link to www.keithdowman.net]

"It is also believed that during his engineering work he coerced local demons, nagas (mythical water spirits with half human and half serpent physiques) and spirits to abandon their destructive activities; they eventually vowed to refrain from obstructing boats and help in building bridges..."

[link to www.tew.org]

"On the many festival days throughout the year, large numbers of pilgrims would visit
Lubum Khangsten in Lhasa to give offerings and in turn receive the blessings of its relics, such as the ancient scriptures believed to
have been brought by the Nagas from under the ocean..."

[link to www.tibetanfoundation.org]

And here we have it from the mouth of the Tibetians, "naga - powerful long-lived serpent-like beings who inhabit bodies of water and often guard great treasure. Nagas belong half to the animal realm and half to the god realm. They generally live in the form of snakes, but many can change into human form."

[link to www.rangjung.com]

Note: They generally live in the form of snakes but many CAN CHANGE INTO HUMAN FORM.

Hello? UFO lore here... A serpent that can appear as a human... Sounds like a fallen angel to me.

[link to www.google.com]

And here we are again to the serpent... the War of the Worlds is REAL. The invader is Lucifer/Satan and his fallen angels; his minions are the freemasons, NWO advancers, and syncretist/fascists.

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"And then, when she arrived and she became the wife of the prince, a strange thing started happening in the village. All of the milk started disappearing because each night the shape-shifting princess, the false princess, used to release her tail, which used to suck in all of the sour milk through a hole at the tip of the tail. And the mother-in-law said, "What is this? Why is the milk disappearing?" Then, she said, "No, I see, there is an Imbulu amongst us." The mother-in-law, who was a clever old lady, said, "A hole must be dug in the front of the village and it must be filled with milk." And this was done. And then, all of the girls who had come with the false princess were told to jump over this hole. One after the other one, they jumped. And when the shape-shifter was forced, at spear-point, to jump as well, as she jumped her long tail burst out of the net under her skirt and started slurping the milk through the hole, and the warriors killed the shape-shifter. And thus, the real Princess Khombecansini became the wife of the king-of King Kakaka. Now, sir, this story has got many versions in it. Throughout South Africa, amongst many tribes, you´ll find stories of these amazing creatures who are capable of changing from reptile to human being, and from reptile to any other animal of their choice. And these creatures, sir, do really exist. No matter where you go throughout Southern, Eastern, Western, and Central Africa, you´ll find that the description of these creatures is the same. Even amongst tribes which never, throughout their long history, had contact with each other at all. So, there ARE such creatures. Where they come from, I will never claim to know, sir. But they are associated with certain stars in the sky, and one of these stars is a large group of stars which is part of the Milky Way, which our people call Ingiyab, which means "The Great Serpent". And there is a red star, a redish star, near the tip of this huge rim of stars which our people call IsoneNkanyamba. Now, this star called IsoneNkanyamba, I managed to find its English name. It is the star called Alpha Centauri, in English. Now, this, sir, is something that is worth investigating. Why is it that well over 500 tribes in parts of Africa which I´ve visited in the last 40 or 50 years or so, all of them describe similar creatures? It is said that these creatures feed on us human beings; that they, at one time, challenged God Himself to war, because they wanted full control of the universe. And God fought a terrible battle against them and He defeated them, injured them, and forced them to hide in cities underground. They hide in deep cavities underground, because they are always feeling cold. In these cavities, we are told, there are huge fires which are kept going by slaves, human, zombie-like slaves. And, it is further said that these Zuswazi, these Imbulu, or whatever you choose to call them, are not capable of eating solid food. They either eat human blood, or they eat that power, the energy that is generated when human beings, on the surface of the Earth, are fighting and killing each other in large numbers. I met people who have fled from the early Masaki in Rwanda, from years ago, and these people were horrified by what was happening in their country. They said that the slaughter of the Hutus by the Watusi, and the Watusi by the Hutus, is actually feeding the Imanujela, monsters. Because the Imanujela like to inhale the energy that is generated by masses of people being terrified or being killed by other people."

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British Royalty, Merovingians, Tibetian Nagas, and the Shapeshifters...

Merlin, Arthur, Sigurd...

"But the dragon would not have been welcomed and endowed with such vigorous life had he not fitted in with existing ritual concerning the dead. The serpent-dragon, of which the creature Fafnir, slain by Sigurd the Volsung, may be taken as a typical example, has left his mark in the serpentine ornament and the constantly reiterated snake-motif upon memorial stones raised over the dead. The snake as a symbol of the world of the dead is as recurrent in the art of the north as in its literature.
H.R. Ellis Davidson, Gods and Myths of Northern Europe

The war between Thor and Jormungandr, the Midgarthsomr itself, was in part inspired by their rivalry over the lands of the dead. In the end, in the myths, all the powers of the gods would not avail them against the death personified by the dragon, the wolf, the huge and horrible giants...divorced from the beasts, they would be slain by the beasts and would slay the beasts in turn. Then again, there is Arthur, the bear-king who was also the head dragon. One imagines an old, craggy Beowulf, having triumphed against the savagery in his own nature by overcoming Grendel and his mother, setting sail to the contested land of the Red Dragon, there to find his own death. Yet did he find death? In the story of Sigurd, we read of the trickery a young shapeshifter played upon the very gods themselves, when the house of Hreidmar dared to threaten to slay Odin and Loki for their role in stealing the life of Hreidmar´s son, who was in the form of an otter at the time. Eventually the ransom that the gods would pay, the treasure of Andvari the dwarf (also a shapeshifter, who could assume the form of a salmon himself) would lead to the death of Hreidmar and the transformation of his son Fafnir into a dragon. Andvari´s ring would eventually lead to Fafnir´s death at the hands of Sigurd, and Sigurd´s own demise...but for the purposes of our musing, it is the transformation of Fafnir into a dragon that is of interest. Did Beowulf really make war upon the dragon out of a desire to protect his people? Or did he lead the Geats forth from Scandinavia with the ultimate goal of facing the Red Dragon of Britain in battle, overcoming it, dying...and in so dying, embodying the White Dragon of Merlin´s legend, and overcoming even death itself?

Of course, you could take it even further. After all, many additions have been made to the Arthur myth since the time he lived...Lancelot, the Grail Quest...diverse hands and all that. So why not imagine that instead of a wife´s betrayal and a son conceived in a sister´s burning hate, Arthur himself had to face the worst possible enemy...his own reflection, the germanic King Bear himself? For that matter, it´s possible to imagine the Red Dragon rising after Arthur´s death in outrage, ravaging the land...perhaps what one bear´s death unleashed require another bear´s death to seal away?

I still think I prefer the idea of them meeting on the battlefield, two old lions at the end of their lives, the literal embodiment of Merlin´s prophecy. The King of the Geats makes for an enemy truly worthy of the Once and Future King, and if there is an Otherworld where souls are reincarnated after death or a great feasting hall where the dead revel in preperation for Ragnarok, perhaps in death they are allowed to have the battles that have no tales told about them. Or, if you prefer the later, more Christianized forms of the legends, can you imagine two more fit companions for a war-host of heaven?

Consider Beowulf´s death. When he died, they burned his body...and returned the treasure of the dragon to the earth. Why would they do this? Why not take the treasure? Because the treasure was the hoard of the dragon, the guardian of the barrow mound...and the new dragon did not become the inheritor of the island to see his hoard taken away. This of course does beg the question as to what happened to the dragon, then, if it took hold in England? Why did he let his hoard leave his barrow, and does he plan to reclaim it, or is he after something else? Fourteen hundred years is a long time, after all, and there have been those who styled themselves dragon slayers in that long, long time. Did the White Dragon, too, descend into final death? Or does it sleep, as yet unaware of the looting of its treasures? That would be interesting indeed, to see the great white beast burst forth from its barrow in search of its plundered gold."

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Twyman has discovered that the bloodline of the Merovingians stems not only from Christ and Mary Magdalene, but in fact, goes back to the god-kings and queens of the antediluvian world. She has also determined the nature of the physical object called “the Holy Grail” - a magnificent structure hidden beneath Rennes-le-Chateau, France. And within this structure is perhaps the greatest treasure of human history: the grave of a sacred king named Cain, who brought kingship and the wisdom of the gods down from Heaven. Throughout history, the secret of the Grail, the tradition of the Grail, and the bloodline of the Grail have inspired the activities of secret societies, and guided the destiny of humanity. It has been at the center of a struggle both cosmic and terrestrial that has lasted for thousands of years.

In the pages of this volume, Twyman reveals the answers to dozens of questions that have remained unanswered for decades, centuries, and even millennia. She deciphers nearly all of the many clues pertaining to this mystery that have been left by the Priory of Sion, Berenger Sauniere, the Knights Templar, and the Freemasons. But more than that, she has decoded a tangled web of clues found in history, world mythology, Judeo-Christian scriptures, and the traditions of the occult, resulting in a bold reinterpretation of the story of human civilization. And the outcome is not what you would expect. The villains and protagonists are not who you might presume them to be. For the Holy Grail is a treasure both cursed and sacred, bestowing knowledge both of Good and of Evil."

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33 Degrees Number of the Master
Saturday, January 22 2005 @ 12:28 AM GMT
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Why is 33 degrees associated with Mastery? This was the question I asked myself when I delved into Masonic symbolism while researching my novel Eclipse of the Soul. Being an astrologer, I was convinced it was a celestial reference, for we measure positions of the planets and stars in degrees, minutes and seconds. The astrological circle equals 360 degrees - 12 zodiacal houses of 30 degrees each. The clue I needed was found in a Vedic (Hindu) astrology book where it stated that the Moon was exalted at 3 degrees of Taurus and debilitated in 3 degrees Scorpio. Exaltation was considered to be the optimum position, where the planet is strong and potent and debilitation was the opposite. Why 3 degrees of Taurus, I wondered? In Vedic astrology, the Lunar Zodiac is based on the Moon´s movement against the brightest stars divided into 27 Nakshatras of 13 degrees and 20 minutes each. 3 degrees of Taurus corresponds with the Nakshatra called Krittika - which we know as The Pleiades and 3 degrees of Scorpio corresponds with the Nakshatra called Vishakha which we know as the North and South Scale of Libra called Tula in Sanskrit. If you plot 3 degrees of Taurus on the great wheel of 360 degrees starting with zero degrees Aries, 3 Taurus equals 33 degrees. This was the answer I was looking for. Alcyone is the brightest star in the Pleiadian cluster and thus Alcyone is 33 degrees - the number of Mastery. Further, I discovered that by using Etymology (origins of words) when the word Master is divided into two becomes Ma / Ster and it means Mother Star. Thus, Alcyone is the number of the Mother Star - 33 degrees

The Pleiadian star system has been one of the most revered cosmic objects in history, poetry and mythology across all cultures. According to the cultural traditions, the seven visible stars of the Pleiades have been referred to by many names, such as the Seven Sisters, Krittika, Kimah, Flock of Doves, Hens, Virgins of Spring, Sailor´s Stars and the seven Atlantic Sisters. ´The Pleiades were known as Seven Sisters by indigenous people in North America, Siberia and Australia and this common heritage means they were described more than 40,000 years ago.´ 1

´The Pleiades seem to be among the first stars mentioned in astronomical literature, appearing in the Chinese annuls of 2357 BC, Alcyone, the lucida, then being near the vernal equinox--- And their beginning of the year gave rise to the title ´The Great Year of the Pleiades´ for the cycle of precession of about 25, 900 years." 2

Professor Charles Piazzi Smyth in the late 19th century suggested that that the seven chambers of the Great Pyramid of Giza commemorate these seven stars. 3 ´And here is a wonderful corresponding fact, that the date of the Great Pyramids completion, at midnight of the autumnal equinox the Pleiades were distributed over the meridian of this pyramid, with Alcyone precisely on the line." 4

What if the Great Pyramid was actually built in honour of the Pleiades when they rose near the vernal equinox 2357 BC and completed by 2170, as suggested by Siess.

According to Albert Churchward the name of the Great Pyramid was ´Khuti,´ which denoted the seven Lights, or Glorious Ones. Likewise, the Tower of Babel with its seven tiers was also symbolical of the ´Great Altar Stairs,´ by which men climbed heavenward.

Many ancient traditions state that Alcyone was the Central Spiritual Sun, the Mother Sun that emits creative Light, that which births great teachers of Light into the world. It was believed to be the centre of the Universe around which our own solar system revolves. Our current astronomers do not support this idea although in the 1850´s it well accepted. ´Science has at last discovered that the Sun is not a dead centre, with planets and comets wheeling around it but itself stationary. It is now ascertained that the Sun is also in motion, around some other and vastly mightier centre. Astronomers are not fully agreed as to what or where that centre is. Some however believe that they have found the direction of it to be the Pleiades, and particularly Alcyone. To the distinguished astronomer, Prof.J.H, Maedler belongs the honour of having made this discovery. Alcyone, then, as far as science can perceive, would seem to be the "midnight throne" in which the whole system of gravitation has a central seat, and from which the Almighty governs his universe.´ 5

An astronomer will tell you this is complete rubbish but I want to go back to the ancient traditions. Alcyone was called Al Wasat, the Central One by the Arabs and Temennu, the Foundation Stone by the Babylonians. The next quotation I found in a wonderful book on ancient constellations called The Mazzaroth. ´Wasat, an Arabic name of Alcyone, transmitted by Ulugh Beigh from early Arabian astronomy, is the centre. It thus testifies, like that of Alcyone, to the knowledge of the first astronomers of the long lost but lately removed fact, that in this group is the centre of the revolving, contains the same reference, if explained by its primitive roots. The ancient name Alcyone, now so celebrated in the annuals of science, is evidently of Oriental origin, having the Arabic and old Hebrew article Al, prefixed to its root Cyon, centre. Its meaning, centre, foundation, anticipates one of the greatest achievements of modern astronomy, the discovery that to this point, this centre, gravitates the whole magnificent arrangement of the stars called the Galaxy, to which our sun belongs.´ 6 Does Cyon not sound like Sion/Zion - the heavenly city of God? ´Glorious things of Thee are spoken, Zion city of our God.´ Psalm 87. The Hebrews believed it to be the City of David- the City of the Lord- the City of Foundation.

I found an intriguing article by ken Raines called Jehovah: Ancient Astronaut from the Pleiades´7 Apparently for 62 years, 1891 - 1953, the Watchtower Society (Jehovah´s Witness) taught that God resided on the star Alcyone in the Pleiades constellation and that from this star he governed the universe. It was also stated that the City of Zion in heaven was Alcyone. The original Watchtower magazine was called Zion´s Watchtower. In Micah 4:8 of the Old Testament, it reads, ´And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.´ Remember the Pleiades were most frequently represented as a flock of doves.

At this point I want to briefly divert to the Priory of Sion and its reported reverence for Mary Magdalene. The clue is in her name, which seems to mean ´of Magdala´ - with some possible interpretation as ´place of the dove´, ´place of the tower´ and ´temple-tower´. 8 In the Woman with the Alabaster Jar Margaret Starbird writes that ´tower of the flock´ in the above Biblical reference is translated into Magdal-edar.9 So was Mary Magdalene just a secret Pleiadian code and the Priory of Sion was actually the Priory of Alcyone? The so-called sacred Merovingian bloodline between Mary Magdalene and Jesus might actually refer to their Pleiadian cosmic origins. For example, like many other ancient cultures, the Mayans of Meso-America called the Pleiades ´the cranary´ for it was the seedbed of their civilisation and the cosmic star mother who gave her children the codes of light.10 The Merovingians founded and named the city of Paris after Prince Paris, the son of King Priam of Troy. In the Iliad, Electra (one of the seven Pleiades) was the mother of Dardanos, the founder of Trojan race and according to David Icke, the Merovingian bloodline is traced back to Troy - another Pleiadian connection.

In The Templer Revelation, the authors suggest that Mary Magdalene and Jesus were Initiates of the Cult of Isis. Isis was the most venerated Egyptian goddess - the creatress from whom all arose. The sign of Isis is a circle with horns exactly like the sign of Taurus. Her dance of the seven veils corresponds with the seven stars of the Pleiades. I believe she was often portrayed as veiled because of the nebula around the western side of the Pleiades. I found this quote by J.R. Skinner in The Celestial Ship of the North by E.Valentia Straiton. ´Isis, Issa, is the Virgin mother of the gods. Neith, Isis, Hathor, Venus and others are all one and the same. Issa, or woman, or Egyptian Isi-s, Isis but Isi was Jesse, the father of David, who was the father of Jesus, as Isi. So, indeed Isis in Egyptian was the feminine form of Isi, or Jes-, as a form of aish, man, was Jes-us.´ 11

This quote was very exciting because Nicholas Notovitch, a Russian traveller- who while in a monastery in Tibet in 1887 was shown a manuscript by the head Lama claiming Jesus did not die on the cross however he travelled to India and Tibet and was known as Saint Issa. Also, Jesus in Arabic and in the Koran was known as Isa.12 His tomb is said to be in Srinagar, the capital of Kashmir, described as the tomb of the prophet. Why would Jesus have been buried specifically in Srinagar - which means Great Serpent? The clue I believe is found in the word naga, which means serpent. In original Aramaic, Jesus was referred to as a naggar13 actually mistranslated into a carpenter in the Bible, when in actual fact I have found the word for carpenter to be nanger. Jesus was a naggar - a serpent of wisdom. Serpents were the symbol of High Initiates in the mystery schools of Isis in Egypt. ´Be ye as wise as serpents and as peaceful as doves´ Matthew 11:16 ´Many Gnostic traditions identified the Serpent with Jesus. In the Pistis Sophia, Jesus was the serpent who spoke to Eve ´from the tree of knowledge and the tree of life, which were in the paradise of Adam.´´ 14

Mark Amaru Pinkham in his book The Return of the Serpents of Wisdom, examines the worldwide migration of serpents, some from Mu (Lemuria), and others from Atlantis. They were called Nagas, Naguals, Nacaals, Adders, Djedhi, Amarus, Levites, Lung Dragons and Quetzlcoatls. There are many traditions, which also state that the Serpents were Extra-terrestrials. ´ Some of the Interstellar Serpents on Atlantis came from the Celestial Serpent, the Pleiades. [According to Dhyani Ywahoo] the records of Cherokees, these androgynous Serpents are known as the ´sacred seven,´ and said to have traveled from the universal seat of Divine Mind, the Pleiades, in order to instill within developing humankind the spark of the individuated mind. Once on the Earth the Pleiadian missionaries mated with the human population and their progeny spread throughout Atlantis.´ 15 (Could this be the source of the Fallen Angels in The Book of Enoch?) This Pleiadian and Atlantean mating was also mentioned by Greek Historian Diodorus who claimed that Celoene and Alcyone, two of the seven Pleiadian sisters, had mated with Poseidon, King of Atlantis and their offspring populated Atlantis.

Now back to the Watchtower society. According to David Icke, 16 Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Watchtower Society was a high degree Mason. Why am I going here? Because secret societies keep ancient wisdom behind locked doors and Masonry is based on the Egyptian Mysteries. I have a book by Robert Hewitt Brown; a 32-degree Mason called Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy. On page 54 is a picture of a mystic ladder that leads to the seven stars of the Pleiades. He explains, ´This Masonic emblem, has a direct allusion to the vernal equinox, and thus becomes a beautiful symbol of immortality, reminding us, also, of that starry home beyond the grave to which the soul of man aspires. It was for these reasons that, of all the ´hosts of heaven´ the Pleiades were selected as an emblem by our ancient brethren.´ 13 The ladder is also made of seven step in the Scottish Rite Ritual and ascends from a red room, that which is said to represent the Great Mother. A red cross was placed over the heart of the candidate for red is sworn to in Masonry. I believe the symbol of the red cross is the same as the rosi-crux of the Rosicrucians and all symbolic of Alcyone and the Pleiades. The first Grand Lodge of the Scottish Rite in America, was formed at Charleston, South Carolina, in 1783: a Supreme Council and it lies exactly on the 33rd parallel of latitude. The highest Masonic degree is 33 degrees - the Grand Master. If you break up the word Mason into two - Ma/Son it equates to Mother Sun. It is interesting to note that one of the Pleiades was named Maia by the Greeks. Maia was the virgin mother of Hermes, the Enlightened One. Maya, was the virgin mother of Buddha, the Enlightened One. Mary, was the virgin mother of Christ, the Annointed one. May is the month of Maia/Maya/Mary when the Sun is in Taurus and thus conjunct the Pleiades. May Day celebrations are in honour of the Pleiades.

In the Mazzaroth, Frances Rolleston connects the Hebrew alphabet with the constellations and Pleiades is said to be associated with the Hebrew letter Ayin, the pictograph being an eye. Immediately, I thought of the ´All Seeing Eye´ used so prolifically in Masonic imagery, especially above the apex of the Great Pyramid, even on the American dollar bill. Remember, Seiss´ belief that the Pyramid was built as the midnight throne celebrating the midnight culmination of the Pleiades - could this be symbolised by the Pyramid and the Eye? I went a little further and located the letter Ayin on the Kabala tree. It is found on the 26th pathway and connected with the sign of Capricorn and the Tarot card of the Devil. In the Aleister Crowley Thoth Tarot Deck, the Devil is represented in the traditional form of the Goat, however there is some unusual imagery that I found very intriguing. The goat has a third eye and his head is adorned with a bunch of grapes. (Wine had a mystical relation to the Dove (the Pleiades) which is the Holy Spirit or the Shekinah in Hebrew.) Below him, is a winged caduceus (Hermes) and under its hoofs are two balls with humans inside going through what I assume to be symbolic creation. You can see the DNA chromosomes and mitosis occurring. Behind this, is a shaft piercing a cosmic ring in the heavens. Most horned creatures like Pan represented fertility and creation and the May Time celebrations of Beltane incorporated this celebration. The Maypole had seven ribbons, I believe representing the seven sisters of the Pleiades. ´Pan was an important model for medieval pagans´ Horned God, whom the church called Satan. The devil always displayed Pan´s attributes of goat-hoofs, horns, and unremitting lust; sometimes also a goat head and an attendant throng of satyrs.´14 When the Knights Templer were accused of heresy in the 14th century, it was based on their worship of Baphomet - a bisexual idol pictured with hoofs, a goat´s face, with both male and female features, and thus they were called ´devil worshippers´. Could it simply have been another Pleiadian connection?

´With November, the Pleid-month, many primitive people began their year; and on the day of the midnight culmination of the Pleiades, November 17, no petition was presented in vain to the ancient Kings of Persia; the same event gave the signal at Busiris for the commencement of the feast of Isis, and regulated less immediately the celebrations connected with the 52 year cycle of the Mexicans. Australian tribes to this day dance in honour of the ´Seven Sisters´. 15 The months of May and November and their numerous festivals and celebrations are all associated with the Seven Sisters. Their rising in November marked the time for worship of deceased family and friends. ´Egyptian texts allude to Pleiades´ archaic significance as Krittitas, judges of men, assigning them also to seven planetary spheres as the seven Hathors. The dead had to speak the names of these Goddesses to pass their ´critical´ examination and enter paradise.´ 16

I believe this is the source of the Judgement of the Dead linked with the month of November, when the Pleiades are high in the night sky. In the Halls of Judgement, the goddess Maat weighed the souls of the dead against her ostrich- feather of truth as the ibis-headed scribe Thoth stood to record the judgement. In Christian iconography, Archangel Michael holds a pair of scales on the Day of Judgement recognised as All Soul´s Day on the 2nd November. The ancient Celtic civilisation gathered to celebrate the festival of death ´Samhain´ during the dark night of October 31st and at midnight, a time of death to the old year and birth to the new, it was the Celtic New Year. November is the month of the dead and Scorpio and ruling planet Pluto are all connected with death and rebirth. The Persians called November Mordad, or ´Angel of Death.´

I often wonder how the zodiac signs acquired their symbolism, for example why Scorpio and its eight house and ruler Pluto are all linked to death and rebirth? What I have found through my research into The Pleiades, might be the answer. It has been recorded in the Babylonian Talmud that the flood of Biblical Noah was the result of two stars falling from Khima (the Pleiades) towards Earth. Could this correspond with the legend of the lost pleid? Was this the sinking of Mu/Atlantis and the end of the Golden Age and thus we still mourn the dead in November? I discovered some very confirming evidence in the book When the Earth Nearly Died by Allen and Delair. They argue that the world experienced total catastrophe in 9500 BC when a Vela supernova exploded and the Earth´s axis subsequently tilted to 23 and a half degrees and the Age of Darkness took hold. What I found in the book was this. ´Chinese traditions similarly tell how, during the time of the legendary emperor Ya-hou: ´a brilliant star issued from the constellation of Yin´ prior to a tremendous global upheaval.´ 17 I searched my Chinese Astrology book and found the Yin Star to correspond with Beta Scorpionis (Graffias, a triple star situated in the head of the Scorpion) and connected with plenty of water (flood). The symbol of Yin and Yang thus represents Scorpio (Yin) and its opposite sign Taurus (Yang). Remember in November, the Sun is in Scorpio but at night The Pleiades are high in the sky, in Taurus. The Maya/Aztec called the Pleiades the tzab rattle - that of a snake and every 52 years, in the middle of November, when the Pleiades were directly at the zenith at midnight at Mexican latitude, it was believed that the world would end; it had already been destroyed and re-created four times in the past. The New Fire Ceremony was held once they knew that they were safe for another 52 years. Thus, the specific symbolism of the constellations, zodiac signs and planets seem to reflect actual historical events, similarly recounted in many Myths.

What I have presented above is just the tip of the iceberg of what I have discovered. It is obvious from legends and myths that the Pleiadian Star System was the locus of our cosmic inheritance and the source of the mystical wisdom known by the High Initiates of the Mystery Schools of Isis.


1. Hand Clow, Barbara. Catastrophobia, Vermont: Bear and Co., 2001. pg 101
2. Allen, Richard Hinckley. Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning. NY: Dover Pub. 1963. pg 392.
3. Ibid., pg 399
4. Seiss, Joseph A. Miracle in Stone: or the Great Pyramid of Egypt (1877). Reprinted by Kessinger Publishing, USA.
5. Ibid, pg
6. Rolleston, Frances. Mazzaroth Reprinted by Kessinger Publishing, pg 28.
7. www.premier1.net/~raines/jehovah.html
8. Picknett, L & Prince, C. The Templar Revelation, NY: Touchstone 1997, 248.
9. Starbird, Margaret, The Woman with the Alabaster Jar, Santa Fe: Bear and co, 1993 pg 50.
10. Polich Bluestone. Judith. Return of the Children of Light. Vermont: Bear and Co, 2001. Pg. 12.
11. Straiton Valentia, E, Celestial Ship of the North, Kessinger Publishing, 1927, pg. 101.
12. Hatcher Childress, David, Lost Cities of China, Central Asia and India, USA; Adventures Unlimited, 1985, pg. 271.
13. See note 8, pg. 235.
14. Walker, Barbara G. Woman´s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets. NY: HarperCollins 1983, pg. 803.
15. Pinkham, Mark Amaru. The Return of the Serpents of Wisdom. USA: Adventures Unlimited Press, 1997, pg. 231.
16. Icke, David. Children of the Matrix. USA: Bridge of Love Publications, 2001, pg. 328.
17. Brown, Robert Hewitt, 32 degrees. Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy. Reprinted by Kessinger Publishing, pg. 51.
18. See note 14, pg. 765.
19. See note 2, pg. 401
20. See note 14, pg. 803
21. Allan, D.S and Delair, J.B. When the Earth nearly died. Bath: Gateway Books, 1995. Pg. 212.

Olga Morales is an Australian astrologer and author of Eclipse of the Soul, a novel inspired by much of the information contained in the article above. For more information, visit www.booksurge.com.

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The War of the Worlds is REAL.

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Date: Thursday, 30 June 2005, 2:12 p.m.

I thought Spielbergs´ movie was an insult to us (the STA, Rense, Conspiracy), the informed. And I was left with one clear conclusion after viewing the movie. Spielberg is one of 3 things: 1) a lizard, 2) working with the lizards, or 3) working for the lizards against his will.

The movie is designed to keep one looking up at the skies for the bad guys, and clueless to the fact that the bad guys are already here, and some of them are often standing next to us. It keeps people from focusing on the reptilian inhabitants here on Earth. Way to go Steven!! Keep the humans brain dead!!

Secondly, the movie is designed to instill great fear in the viewer, thereby draining energy from humans. Spielberg pulls all the vial stops in this flick, which leaves me to believe he´s either lizard or "drone of lizard". Perhaps we should go back and research every movie he´s done, and find out what his real motive is. Very clever in some ways, but I was blatantly insulted, as was my 12 year old kid and his friends their family members.

This movie had nothing to do with "War Of The Worlds", except for the cheezy spaceship designs. Many in the audience were laughing at how pathetic it was. Who knows maybe it was just Maui, but my advice: Don´t waste a penny on it.....wait for Blockbuster.

Spielberg has a trademark style of his movies (good and bad).......until now....no depth....just garbage.

Well, thats my opinion anyway.

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Re: This is spooky folks, the "War of the Worlds" tralier...
Dracula, Bram Stocker, and the Nagas/Merovingian Shapeshifters...

drakhul; drakul; dracula...

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"There are such beings as vampires, some of us have evidence that they exist. Even had we not the proof of our own unhappy experience, the teachings and the records of the past give proof enough for sane peoples. I admit that at the first I was sceptic. Were it not that through long years I have trained myself to keep an open mind, I could not have believed until such time as that fact thunder on my ear.`See! See! I prove, I prove.´ Alas! Had I known at first what now I know, nay, had I even guess at him, one so precious life had been spared to many of us who did love her. But that is gone, and we must so work, that other poor souls perish not, whilst we can save. The nosferatu do not die like the bee when he sting once. He is only stronger, and being stronger, have yet more power to work evil. This vampire which is amongst us is of himself so strong in person as twenty men, he is of cunning more than mortal, for his cunning be the growth of ages, he have still the aids of necromancy, which is, as his etymology imply, the divination by the dead, and all the dead that he can come nigh to are for him at command, he is brute, and more than brute, he is devil in callous, and the heart of him is not, he can, within his range, direct the elements, the storm, the fog, the thunder, he can command all the meaner things, the rat, and the owl, and the bat, the moth, and the fox, and the wolf, he can grow and become small, and he can at times vanish and come unknown. How then are we to begin our strike to destroy him? How shall we find his where, and having found it, how can we destroy? My friends, this is much, it is a terrible task that we undertake, and there may be consequence to make the brave shudder. For if we fail in this our fight he must surely win, and then where end we? Life is nothings, I heed him not. But to fail here, is not mere life or death. It is that we become as him, that we henceforward become foul things of the night like him, without heart or conscience, preying on the bodies and the souls of those we love best. To us forever are the gates of heaven shut, for who shall open them to us again? We go on for all time abhorred by all, a blot on the face of God´s sunshine, an arrow in the side of Him who died for man. But we are face to face with duty, and in such case must we shrink? For me, I say no, but then I am old, and life, with his sunshine, his fair places, his song of birds, his music and his love, lie far behind. You others are young. Some have seen sorrow, but there are fair days yet in store. What say you?""

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Note: Bram Stoker´s vampire can, "come nigh to are for him at command, he is brute, and more than brute, he is devil in callous, and the heart of him is not, he can, within his range, direct the elements, the storm, the fog, the thunder, he can command all the meaner things, the rat, and the owl, and the bat, the moth, and the fox, and the wolf, he can grow and become small, and he can at times vanish and come unknown."

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Mary Shelley:

Mary Shelley was born on August 30, 1797 in London, England, the only daughter of famed feminist, educator and writer Mary Wollstonecraft and the equally famous liberal philosopher, anarchic journalist and atheist dissenter, William Godwin. Her mother died at her birth and her father, left to care for Mary and her older half-sister Fanny Imlay, quickly married again. Under his tutelage, Mary received an excellent education unusual for girls at the time. August 30 is the 242nd day of the year in the Gregorian Calendar (243rd in leap years), with 123 days remaining. ... 1797 was a common year starting on Sunday (see link for calendar). ... The Clock Tower of the Palace of Westminster which contains Big Ben London is the capital city of the United Kingdom and of England. ... Royal motto: Dieu et mon droit (French: God and my right) Englands location within the UK Official language English de facto Capital London de facto Largest city London Area - Total Ranked 1st UK 130,395 km² Population - Total (2001) - Density Ranked 1st UK 49,138,831 377/km² Religion... Feminism is a social theory and political movement primarily informed and motivated by the experience of women. ... Mary Wollstonecraft; stipple engraving by James Heath, ca. ... In politics, the term liberal refers to: an adherent of the ideology of liberalism —an ideology espousing liberty. ... A philosopher is a person devoted to studying and producing results in philosophy. ... Anarchism is a generic term describing various political philosophies and social movements that advocate the elimination of hierarchy and imposed authority. ... A journalist is a person who practices journalism, the gathering and dissemination of information about current events, trends, issues and people. ... Refer to Atheist (band) for information about the American band. ... The term dissenter (from the Latin dissentire, to disagree), labels one who dissents or disagrees in matters of opinion, belief, etc. ... William Godwin William Godwin (March 3, 1756 - April 7, 1836) was an English political and miscellaneous writer, considered one of the important precursors of both utilitarian and anarchist thought. ...

She met Percy Bysshe Shelley, a political radical and free-thinker like her father, when Percy and his first wife Harriet visited Godwin´s home and bookshop in London. Percy, unhappy in his marriage, began to visit Godwin more frequently (and alone). In the summer of 1814 he and Mary (then only 16) fell in love. They eloped to France on 27 July, with Mary´s stepsister, Jane Clairmont, in tow. This was the poet´s second elopement, as he had also eloped with Harriet three years before. Upon their return several weeks later, the young couple were dismayed to find that Godwin, whose views on free love apparently did not apply to his daughter, refused to see them. Percy Bysshe Shelley Percy Bysshe Shelley (August 4, 1792 – July 8, 1822) was one of the major English Romantic poets. ... 1814 was a common year starting on Saturday (see link for calendar). ... To elope, most literally, merely means to run away. ... July 27 is the 208th day (209th in leap years) of the year in the Gregorian Calendar, with 157 days remaining. ... Claire Clairmont Clara Mary Jane Clairmont (April 27, 1798 – March 19, 1879), or Claire Clairmont as she was commonly known, was a stepsister of writer Mary Shelley. ...

Mary consoled herself with her studies and with Percy, who would always be, despite disillusionment and tragedy, the love of her life. Percy, too, was more than satisfied with his new partner in these first years. He exulted that Mary was "one who can feel poetry and understand philosophy" - although she, like Harriet before her, refused his attempts to share her with his friend Thomas Hogg. Mary thus learned that Percy´s loyalty to Godwin´s free love ideals would always conflict with his deep desire for "true love" as expressed in so much of his poetry.

Mary and Percy shared a love of languages and literature, and they enjoyed reading and discussing books together, such as the classics that Percy took to reading after they returned to London towards the end of the year. During this time Percy Shelley wrote "Alastor" and "The Spirit of Solitude", in which he counsels against the loss of "sweet human love" in exchange for the activism that he himself was to promote and indulge in for much of his life. Alastor (avenger) in Greek mythology, was the personification of familial feuds. ...

During May of 1816, the couple, again with Jane (now Claire) Clairmont, traveled to Lake Geneva to summer near the famous and scandalous poet Lord Byron, whose recent affair with Claire had left her both pregnant and somewhat obsessed with him. In terms of English literature, it was a to be a productive summer. Percy began work on "Hymn To Intellectual Beauty" and "Mont Blanc". Mary, in the meantime, was inspired to write an enduring masterpiece of her own. 1816 was a leap year starting on Monday (see link for calendar). ... The Jet dEau fountain in Lake Geneva in Geneva Lake Geneva (French: Lac Léman, Le Léman or Lac de Genève, (German: Genfersee) is the second largest freshwater lake in central Europe (after Lake Balaton), divided between France (Haute-Savoie) and Switzerland (cantons of Vaud, Geneva, and Valais). ... Lord Byron, English poet Lord Byron (1803), as painted by Elisabeth Vigee-Lebrun George Gordon Byron, 6th Baron Byron, (January 22, 1788 – April 19, 1824) was the most widely read English language poet of his day. ...

Forced to stay indoors by the climatic events of "The Year Without a Summer" on one particular evening, the group of young writers and intellectuals decided to have a ghost-telling contest. Another guest, Dr John Polidori, came up with The Vampyre, later to become a strong influence on Bram Stoker´s Dracula. Other guests wove tales of equal horror, but Mary found herself unable to invent one. That night, however, she dreamed the story she had wanted to tell. She set herself to put it on paper, and in time her story would be published as Frankenstein. Its success would endure long after the other writings produced that summer had faded. The Year Without a Summer, also known as the Poverty Year and Eighteen hundred and froze to death was 1816, in which severe summer climate abnormalities destroyed crops in Northern Europe and the American Northeast. ... John William Polidori (September 7, 1795 - August 24, 1821) is credited by some as the creator of the vampire genre of fantasy fiction. ... The Vampyre is a short novel written by John William Polidori and generally regarded as the progenitor of the romantic vampire genre of fantasy fiction. ... Abraham Bram Stoker (November 8, 1847–April 20, 1912) was an Anglo-Irish writer, best remembered as the author of the influential horror novel Dracula. ... Bela Lugosi as Dracula United States stamp Dracula is a fictional character, arguably the most famous vampire in fiction. ... Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheus is a novel by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley. ...

Mary had incorporated a number of different sources into her work, not the least of which was the Promethean myth from Ovid. The influence of John Milton´s Paradise Lost, the book the ´monster´ finds in the cabin, is also clearly evident within the novel. Also, both Shelleys had read William Beckford´s Vathek (a Gothic novel that has been likened to an Arabesque). Can one miss the darkling reflection of the Beckford character´s "insolent desire to "penetrate the secrets of heaven" in both "Alastor" ("I have made my bed In charnels and on coffins") and Mary´s acclaimed piece ("Who shall perceive the horrors ...as I dabbled among the unhallowed damp of the grave, or tortured the living animal to animate the lifeless clay")? Indeed, many, if not most, commentators take this "desire" to be a major theme of Frankenstein. This article is about the mythological figure. ... Engraved frontispiece of George Sandyss 1632 London edition of Publius Ovidius Naso, (March 20, 43 BC – AD 17) Roman poet known to the English-speaking world as Ovid, wrote on topics of love, abandoned women, and mythological transformations. ... John Milton John Milton (December 9, 1608 – November 8, 1674) was an English poet, most famous for his blank verse epic Paradise Lost. ... Cover to the first edition Paradise Lost (1667) is an epic poem by the 17th century English poet John Milton. ... William Beckford could be either: William Beckford (politician) (1709 - 1770) - a political figure in London. ... Vathek (alternatively titled Vathek, an Arabian Tale or The History of the Caliph Vathek) is a Gothic novel written by William Thomas Beckford. ... Besides its original meaning, of or relating to the Goths, a Germanic tribe and thus the Gothic language and the Gothic alphabet, and aside from its Early Modern connotations of rough, barbarous, the word Gothic has been used since the 18th century to refer to distinctly different things. ... A novel is an extended work of written, narrative, prose fiction, usually in story form; the writer of a novel is a novelist. ... This article is about Islamic art. ...

Mary and Percy were both ethical vegetarians and strong advocates for animals. One can see references to vegetarianism in her writing. For example, in her novel Frankenstein, the ´monster´ was a vegetarian. For animals adapted to eat primarily plants, sometimes referred to as vegetarian animals, see Herbivore. ...

Returning to England in September of 1816, Mary and Percy were stunned by two family suicides in quick succession. In November, Mary´s older half-sister, Fanny Imlay, left the Godwin home and took her own life at a distant inn. Only weeks later, Percy´s first wife drowned herself in London´s Hyde Park. Discarded and pregnant, she had not welcomed Percy´s invitation to join Mary and himself in their new household.

On 30 December 1816, shortly after Harriet´s death, Percy and Mary were married, now with Godwin´s blessing. Their attempts to gain custody of Percy´s two children by Harriet failed, but their writing careers enjoyed more success when, in the spring of 1817, Mary finished Frankenstein. December 30 is the 364th day of the year (365th in leap years) in the Gregorian Calendar, with 1 day remaining. ... 1816 was a leap year starting on Monday (see link for calendar). ...

Over the following years, Mary´s household grew to include her own children by Percy as well as occasional friends and Claire´s daughter by Byron. Shelley moved his menage from place to place first in England and then in Italy. Mary suffered the death of her young son Will in Rome, after which her infant daughter died too as Percy moved the household yet again. By now Mary had resigned herself to her husband´s self-centered restlessness and his romantic enthusiasms for other women. The birth of her only surviving child, Percy Florence Shelley, consoled her somewhat for her losses.

Eventually the group settled in Lerici, a town close to La Spezia in Italy, but it was an ill-fated choice. It was here that Claire learned of her daughter´s death at the Italian convent to which Byron had sent her, and it was here that Mary almost died of a miscarriage. And it was from here, in July 1822, that Percy sailed away up the coast to Livorno to plan the founding of a journal with a group of friends. Caught in a storm on his return, he drowned at sea on July 8, 1822, along with his friend Edward Williams and a young boat attendant. Percy left his last poem, a shadowy work called "The Triumph Of Life", unfinished. Lerici is a commune in the province of La Spezia in Liguria. ... Map of Italy showing La Spezia in the northwest La Spezia is a city in the Liguria region of northern Italy, at the head of La Spezia Gulf. ... Livorno, sometimes in English Leghorn, (population 170,000) is a port city on the Ligurian Sea on the western edge of Tuscany, Italy. ... July 8 is the 189th day of the year (190th in leap years) in the Gregorian Calendar, with 176 days remaining. ... 1822 was a common year starting on Tuesday (see link for calendar). ...

Mary was tireless in promoting her late husband´s work, including editing and annotating unpublished material. Despite their troubled later life together, she revered her late husband´s memory and helped build his reputation as one of the major poets of the English Romantic period. But she also found occasions to write a few more novels, including Valperga, The Fortunes of Perkin Warbeck and Falkner. Critics say these works do not begin to approach the power and fame of Frankenstein; The Last Man, a pioneering science fiction novel of the human apocalypse in the distant future, is, however, sometimes considered her best work, as is Maria, a novel published posthumously. Perkin Warbeck (c. ... Mary Shelleys The Last Man, first published in 1826, is often overshadowed by one of Shelleys earlier works, Frankenstein, and as a result has been largely ignored by the reading public. ... In a linear conception of time, the future is the portion of the timeline that is still to occur, i. ... Maria may refer to: Mary in Danish, Dutch, German, Italian, Norwegian, Romanian and Swedish. ...

Mary Shelley died on February 1, 1851 in London and was interred at St. Peter´s Churchyard in Bournemouth, in the English county of Dorset. February 1 is the 32nd day of the year in the Gregorian Calendar. ... Events January 23 - The flip of a coin determines whether a new city in Oregon is named after Boston, Massachusetts, or Portland, Maine, with Portland winning. ... Bournemouth is a seaside resort in the county of Dorset on the south coast of England. ... Dorset (pronounced Dorsit, sometimes in the past called Dorsetshire) is a county in the southwest of England, on the English Channel coast. ...

Three films have depicted Mary Shelley and the genesis of the Frankenstein story in 1816: Gothic directed by Ken Russell (1986), Haunted Summer directed by Ivan Passer (1988) and Remando al viento (English title: Rowing with the Wind) directed by Gonzalo Suárez (1988). Gothic is a 1986 motion picture directed by Ken Russell. ... Henry Kenneth Alfred Russell, known as Ken Russell (born July 3, 1927) is a controversial British film director, particularly known for his films about famous composers. ...

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And the infamous Lord Byron:

Born in London, Byron was christened George Gordon after his maternal grandfather, George Gordon, 12th Laird of Ghight, a descendant of James I. His grandfather committed suicide in 1779. Byron´s mother, Lady Catherine, had to sell her land and title to pay her father´s debts. Biographers think her father´s suicide, and the forced sale of her legacy and the loss of her fortune (thanks to Byron´s father, Captain John “Mad Jack” Byron), may have contributed to Catherine´s ambivalent treatment of her son: scolding at one moment and loving at another. When Byron´s mother-in-law died, her will stipulated that her beneficiaries must take her family name in order to inherit. Lord Byron added it and became George Gordon Noel Byron in 1822.

Byron´s parents had separated before his birth. Lady Catherine moved back to Scotland shortly afterwards, raised her son in Aberdeen in strained circumstances until May 21, 1798, when he had reached the age of ten and the death of his great-uncle, William Byron, 5th Baron Byron, made him the sixth Baron Byron. He received his formal education at Harrow and at Cambridge. He eventually took his seat at the House of Lords, and made his first speech there on February 27, 1812.

The most popular person in Regency London, he wrote poetry and carried on illicit affairs, most notably with Lady Caroline Lamb, the wife of future Prime Minister William Lamb. She inspired one of his best and shortest poems, Caro Lamb, Goddamn. Rumours suggest he also fell in love with a choir boy, though scholars dispute the veracity and relevance of this. But his half-sister, Augusta Leigh, occupied the central place in his heart -- he wrote many passionate poems in her honour. She had been separated from her husband since 1811 when she gave birth on April 15, 1814 to a daughter, and Byron´s joy over the birth seems to substantiate the rumours of an incestuous relationship.

Augusta herself encouraged Byron to marry to avoid scandal. He reluctantly chose Anne Isabella Milbanke ("Annabella"), a cousin of the Lady Caroline. They married at Seaham Hall, County Durham on January 2, 1815. The marriage proved unhappy; Byron treated her terribly and showed great disappointment at the birth of a daughter (Ada) rather than a son. On January 16, 1816, Lady Byron left George, taking Ada with her. On April 21, Byron signed the Deed of Separation and left Lady Byron and England for good a few days later. He never saw either again. (Ada later on worked with Charles Babbage on a memoir on the Analytical Engine and became known as the writer of the world´s first computer program.)

In the summer of 1816 Lord Byron and his personal physician, John William Polidori settled in Switzerland, at the Villa Diodati by Lake Geneva. There he became friends with Percy Bysshe Shelley, a fellow poet, and with his wife-to-be Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley. He was also joined by Mary´s step-sister, Claire Clairmont, with whom he had had an affair in London. Byron initially refused to have anything to do with Claire, and would only agree to remain in her presence with the Shelleys, who eventually persuaded Byron to accept and provide for Allegra, the child she bore him in January 1817.

At the Villa Diodati, kept indoors by the "incessant rain" of that "wet, ungenial summer", over three days in June the five turned to reading fantastical stories, including "Fantasmagoriana" (in the French edition), and then devising their own tales. Mary Shelley produced what would become Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheusand Polidori was inspired by a fragmentary story of Byron´s to produce The Vampyre, the progenitor of the romantic vampire genre. Byron´s story fragment was published as a postscript to Mazeppa.

Byron went on to Italy, and in his two years there produced what some consider to be his best work, including Lament Of Tasso, and Don Juan.

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The Vampyre is a short novel written by John William Polidori and generally regarded as the progenitor of the romantic vampire genre of fantasy fiction. John William Polidori (September 7, 1795 - August 24, 1821) is credited by some as the creator of the vampire genre of fantasy fiction. ... Romanticism was an artistic and intellectual movement in the history of ideas; it originated in late 18th century Western Europe. ... Count Orlok from Nosferatu A vampire is a mythical or folkloric creature said to subsist on human and/or animal blood often having magical powers and the ability to transform. ... A genre is any of the traditional divisions of art forms from a single field of activity into various kinds according to criteria particular to that form. ... Look up Fantasy in Wiktionary, the free dictionary For other definitions of fantasy, see fantasy (psychology). ... The Three Graces, here in a painting by Sandro Botticelli, were the goddesses of charm, beauty, nature, human creativity and fertility in Greek mythology. ...

The Vampyre was first published on April 1, 1819, by Colburn in the New Monthly Magazine with the false attribution "A Tale by Lord Byron." The name of the work´s protagonist, "Lord Ruthven," added to this assumption, for that name was originally used in Lady Caroline Lamb´s novel Glenarvon, in which a thinly-disguised Byron figure was also named Lord Ruthven. Despite repeated denials by Byron and Polidori, the authorship often went unclarified. April 1 is the 91st day of the year (92nd in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar, with 274 days remaining. ... 1819 was a common year starting on Friday (see link for calendar). ... Lord Byron, English poet George Gordon (Noel) Byron, 6th Baron Byron (January 22, 1788 – April 19, 1824) was the most widely read English language poet of his day. ... Lord Ruthven is a fictional character. ... Lady Caroline Lamb (1785-1828) was an English aristocrat, the only daughter of the Frederick Ponsonby, 3rd Earl of Bessborough and Henrietta Ponsonby, the Countess. ...

The novel was an immediate popular success, partly because of the Byron attribution and partly because it exploited the gothic horror predilections of the public. Polidori transformed the vampire from a character in folklore into the form we recognize today - an aristocratic fiend who preys among high society. The gothic novel is an English literary genre, which can be said to have been born with The Castle of Otranto (1764) by Horace Walpole. ... Folklore is the ethnographic concept of the tales, legends, or superstitions current among a particular ethnic population, a part of the oral history of a particular culture. ...

The story has its genesis in the summer of 1816, the Year Without a Summer, when Europe and parts of North America suffered under a severe climate abnormality. Polidori and Byron were staying at the Villa Diodati by Lake Geneva and were visited by Percy Bysshe Shelley, Mary Wollstonecraft Godwin and Claire Clairmont. Kept indoors by the "incessant rain" of that "wet, ungenial summer," over three days in June the five turned to telling fantastical stories, and then writing their own. Fueled by ghost stories such as the Fantasmagoriana, William Beckford´s Vathek and quantities of laudanum, Mary Shelley produced what would become Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheus. Polidori was inspired by a fragmentary story of Byron´s and in "two or three idle mornings" produced The Vampyre. 1816 was a leap year starting on Monday (see link for calendar). ... The Year Without a Summer, also known as the Poverty Year and Eighteen hundred and froze to death was 1816, in which severe summer climate abnormalities destroyed crops in Northern Europe and the American Northeast. ... The Jet dEau fountain in Lake Geneva in Geneva Lake Geneva (French: Lac Léman, Le Léman or Lac de Genève, (German: Genfersee) is the second largest freshwater lake in central Europe (after Lake Balaton), divided between France (Haute-Savoie) and Switzerland (cantons of Vaud, Geneva, and Valais). ... Percy Bysshe Shelley Percy Bysshe Shelley (August 4, 1792 – July 8, 1822) was one of the major English Romantic poets. ... Mary Shelley Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley née Godwin (August 30, 1797–February 1, 1851) was an English writer who is, perhaps, equally-famously remembered as the wife of Romantic poet Percy Bysshe Shelley and as the author of Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheus. ... Claire Clairmont Clara Mary Jane Clairmont (April 27, 1798 – March 19, 1879), or Claire Clairmont as she was commonly known, was a stepsister of writer Mary Shelley. ... Tales of the Dead was an English language collection of horror fiction, published in 1813 by the publishing house White, Cochrane and Co. ... William Beckford could be either: William Beckford (politician) (1709 - 1770) - a political figure in London. ... Vathek (alternatively titled Vathek, an Arabian Tale or The History of the Caliph Vathek) is a Gothic novel written by William Thomas Beckford. ... Laudanum is an alcoholic tincture of opium, sometimes sweetened with sugar and also called wine of opium. ... Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheus is a novel by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley. ...

Polidori´s work had an immense impact on contemporary sensibilities and ran through numerous editions and translations. An adaptation appeared in 1820 with Cyprien Bérard’s novel, Lord Ruthwen ou les Vampires, falsely attributed to Charles Nodier, who himself then wrote his own version, Le Vampire, a play which had enormous success and sparked a "vampire craze" across Europe. Edgar Allan Poe, Gogol, Alexandre Dumas and Tolstoy all produced vampire tales, and themes in Polidori´s tale would continue to influence Bram Stoker´s Dracula and eventually the whole vampire genre. Charles Nodier (April 29, 1780 - January 27, 1844), was a French author. ... This daguerreotype of Poe was taken less than a year before his death at the age of 40. ... Nikolai Vasilevich Gogol (Russian: &#1053;&#1080;&#1082;&#1086;&#1083;&#1072;&#1081; &#1042;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1083;&#1100;&#1077;&#1074;&#108​0;&#1095; &#1043;&#1086;&#1075;&#1086;&#1083;&#1100;) (March 31, 1809 - March 4, 1852) was a Ukrainian-born Russian writer. ... Alexandre Dumas redirects here. ... Coat of arms of Count Leo Tolstoy Tolstoy, or Tolstoi (Russian: &#1058;&#1086;&#1083;&#1089;&#1090;&#1086;&#769;&#1081;) is a prominent family of Russian nobility, descending from one Andrey Kharitonovich Tolstoy (i. ... Abraham Bram Stoker (November 8, 1847–April 20, 1912) was an Anglo-Irish writer, best remembered as the author of the influential horror novel Dracula. ... Bela Lugosi as Dracula United States stamp Dracula is a fictional character, arguably the most famous vampire in fiction. ...

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George Gordon Lord Byron (1788-1824)

Childe Harold´s Pilgrimage: Canto the Fourth


1 I stood in Venice, on the Bridge of Sighs;
2 A palace and a prison on each hand:
3 I saw from out the wave her structures rise
4 As from the stroke of the enchanter´s wand:
5 A thousand years their cloudy wings expand
6 Around me, and a dying Glory smiles
7 O´er the far times, when many a subject land
8 Look´d to the winged Lion´s marble piles,
9Where Venice sate in state, thron´d on her hundred isles!


10 She looks a sea Cybele, fresh from ocean,
11 Rising with her tiara of proud towers
12 At airy distance, with majestic motion,
13 A ruler of the waters and their powers:
14 And such she was; her daughters had their dowers
15 From spoils of nations, and the exhaustless East
16 Pour´d in her lap all gems in sparkling showers.
17 In purple was she rob´d, and of her feast
18Monarchs partook, and deem´d their dignity increas´d.


19 In Venice Tasso´s echoes are no more,
20 And silent rows the songless gondolier;
21 Her palaces are crumbling to the shore,
22 And music meets not always now the ear:
23 Those days are gone--but Beauty still is here.
24 States fall, arts fade--but Nature doth not die,
25 Nor yet forget how Venice once was dear,
26 The pleasant place of all festivity,
27The revel of the earth, the masque of Italy!


28 But unto us she hath a spell beyond
29 Her name in story, and her long array
30 Of mighty shadows, whose dim forms despond
31 Above the dogeless city´s vanish´d sway;
32 Ours is a trophy which will not decay
33 With the Rialto; Shylock and the Moor,
34 And Pierre, cannot be swept or worn away--
35 The keystones of the arch! though all were o´er,
36For us repeopl´d were the solitary shore.


37 The beings of the mind are not of clay;
38 Essentially immortal, they create
39 And multiply in us a brighter ray
40 And more belov´d existence: that which Fate
41 Prohibits to dull life, in this our state
42 Of mortal bondage, by these spirits supplied,
43 First exiles, then replaces what we hate;
44 Watering the heart whose early flowers have died,
45And with a fresher growth replenishing the void.


46 Such is the refuge of our youth and age,
47 The first from Hope, the last from Vacancy;
48 And this worn feeling peoples many a page,
49 And, maybe, that which grows beneath mine eye:
50 Yet there are things whose strong reality
51 Outshines our fairy-land; in shape and hues
52 More beautiful than our fantastic sky,
53 And the strange constellations which the Muse
54O´er her wild universe is skilful to diffuse:


55 I saw or dream´d of such--but let them go;
56 They came like truth--and disappear´d like dreams;
57 And whatsoe´er they were--are now but so:
58 I could replace them if I would; still teems
59 My mind with many a form which aptly seems
60 Such as I sought for, and at moments found;
61 Let these too go--for waking Reason deems
62 Such overweening fantasies unsound,
63And other voices speak, and other sights surround.


64 I´ve taught me other tongues, and in strange eyes
65 Have made me not a stranger; to the mind
66 Which is itself, no changes bring surprise;
67 Nor is it harsh to make, nor hard to find
68 A country with--ay, or without mankind;
69 Yet was I born where men are proud to be--
70 Not without cause; and should I leave behind
71 The inviolate island of the sage and free,
72And seek me out a home by a remoter sea,


73 Perhaps I lov´d it well: and should I lay
74 My ashes in a soil which is not mine,
75 My spirit shall resume it--if we may
76 Unbodied choose a sanctuary. I twine
77 My hopes of being remember´d in my line
78 With my land´s language: if too fond and far
79 These aspirations in their scope incline,
80 If my fame should be, as my fortunes are,
81Of hasty growth and blight, and dull Oblivion bar


82 My name from out the temple where the dead
83 Are honour´d by the nations--let it be--
84 And light the laurels on a loftier head!
85 And be the Spartan´s epitaph on me--
86 "Sparta hath many a worthier son than he."
87 Meantime I seek no sympathies, nor need;
88 The thorns which I have reap´d are of the tree
89 I planted: they have torn me, and I bleed:
90I should have known what fruit would spring from such a seed.


91 The spouseless Adriatic mourns her lord;
92 And annual marriage now no more renew´d,
93 The Bucentaur lies rotting unrestor´d,
94 Neglected garment of her widowhood!
95 St. Mark yet sees his lion where he stood
96 Stand, but in mockery of his wither´d power,
97 Over the proud Place where an Emperor sued,
98 And monarchs gaz´d and envied in the hour
99When Venice was a queen with an unequall´d dower.


100 The Suabian sued, and now the Austrian reigns--
101 An Emperor tramples where an Emperor knelt;
102 Kingdoms are shrunk to provinces, and chains
103 Clank over sceptred cities, nations melt
104 From power´s high pinnacle, when they have felt
105 The sunshine for a while, and downward go
106 Like lauwine loosen´d from the mountain´s belt:
107 Oh, for one hour of blind old Dandolo,
108Th´ octogenarian chief, Byzantium´s conquering foe!


109 Before St. Mark still glow his steeds of brass,
110 Their gilded collars glittering in the sun;
111 But is not Doria´s menace come to pass?
112 Are they not bridled?--Venice, lost and won,
113 Her thirteen hundred years of freedom done,
114 Sinks, like a sea-weed, into whence she rose!
115 Better be whelm´d beneath the waves, and shun,
116 Even in destruction´s depth, her foreign foes,
117From whom submission wrings an infamous repose.


118 In youth she was all glory, a new Tyre,
119 Her very by-word sprung from victory,
120 The "Planter of the Lion," which through fire
121 And blood she bore o´er subject earth and sea;
122 Though making many slaves, herself still free,
123 And Europe´s bulwark ´gainst the Ottomite;
124 Witness Troy´s rival, Candia! Vouch it, ye
125 Immortal waves that saw Lepanto´s fight!
126For ye are names no time nor tyranny can blight.


127 Statues of glass--all shiver´d--the long file
128 Of her dead Doges are declin´d to dust;
129 But where they dwelt, the vast and sumptuous pile
130 Bespeaks the pageant of their splendid trust;
131 Their sceptre broken, and their sword in rust,
132 Have yielded to the stranger: empty halls,
133 Thin streets, and foreign aspects, such as must
134 Too oft remind her who and what enthralls,
135Have flung a desolate cloud o´er Venice´ lovely walls.


136 When Athens´ armies fell at Syracuse,
137 And fetter´d thousands bore the yoke of war,
138 Redemption rose up in the Attic Muse,
139 Her voice their only ransom from afar:
140 See! as they chant the tragic hymn, the car
141 Of the o´ermaster´d victor stops, the reins
142 Fall from his hands--his idle scimitar
143 Starts from its belt--he rends his captive´s chains,
144And bids him thank the bard for freedom and his strains.


145 Thus, Venice! if no stronger claim were thine,
146 Were all thy proud historic deeds forgot,
147 Thy choral memory of the Bard divine,
148 Thy love of Tasso, should have cut the knot
149 Which ties thee to thy tyrants; and thy lot
150 Is shameful to the nations--most of all,
151 Albion, to thee: the Ocean queen should not
152 Abandon Ocean´s children; in the fall
153Of Venice think of thine, despite thy watery wall.


154 I loved her from my boyhood; she to me
155 Was as a fairy city of the heart,
156 Rising like water-columns from the sea,
157 Of joy the sojourn, and of wealth the mart;
158 And Otway, Radcliffe, Schiller, Shakespeare´s art,
159 Had stamp´d her image in me, and even so,
160 Although I found her thus, we did not part;
161 Perchance even dearer in her day of woe,
162Than when she was a boast, a marvel, and a show.

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I saw it opening day...I´d give it a B+
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From what I have seen I think its true. 1st know that the planets in our solar system have a conciousness. 2nd that a representative of each planet´s conciousness has incarnet on Earth, some lasting longer than others; some having more ´godlike´ abilities than others, etc.

Who is the Adam? Adam is the representative soul of planet Earth. What planet earth is I´ll let you contemplate.
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Bulwer Lytton and the Nagas:

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The Underground Nazi Invasion of the United States [PART 21]
The following synopsis´ of two books on strange aerial "contacts"
ENCOUNTERS´, edited by Randall Fitzgerald (Collier Books/MacMillan
Publishing Co., Inc. New York, N.Y. 1979. In regards to these two
works the term "extraterrestrial" may be intentionally misleading.
Samisdat, Ltd., Toronto, Canada):
"GERMANY had a fleet of flying saucers in the experimental
stages as early as 1940, according to these GERMAN authors. Two
different UFO designs spawned prototypes, both operating on an
electromagnetic propulsion method developed by Victor Schauberger
(who invented the implosion motor) and manufactured by the Kertl
Company in Vienna (Italy). The first flying disk actually flew on Feb-
ruary 14, 1945. Piloted by two technicians named Schriever and
Habermohl, it reached a speed of 2,000 km./hour. Because special
heat-resistant metals had to be found, progress in development was
slow. During flight, these craft came to be known as ´foo fighters,´ or
´Kraut meteors,´ by the American pilots, who were in awe of them.
When the war ended and most other German secret weapons were
captured by the Americans and Russians, the ´UFO´ scientists and
their craft escaped.
"So did Adolph Hitler! He had no intention of committing
suicide. He and his mistress, Eva Braun, along with Martin
Bormann and a few other intimates, flew from Berlin at the last
moment, arriving at a secret submarine base. Their bodies, of
course, were never found in the Berlin bunker; only a pair of
Eva´s panties and a few bones. But there were lots of bones and
panties in Berlin during those days, thanks to the ´saturation
fire-bombing of German cities by U.S. Air Terrorists.´ An armada
of submarines took Hitler and his Last Battalion to Argentina,
where Hitler´s admirer Juan Peron was in power. From Argentina
they established (actually it was already operational at that time.
- Wol.) their saucer base in an Antarctic area known as New
Swabia, first claimed by a Nazi expeditionary force in 1937.
"Antarctica was an ideal place for a saucer base. It has no
rust, germs, or decomposition, which would have appealed to ´a
very health conscious, vegetarian Adolph Hitler.´ From outside
Germany they would continue the struggle, which was not for
Germany alone but for ´the existence of the white man.´ (except
for, of course, the Allied ´White Men´ who were killed by the Germ-
an Nazi´s during the war. - Wol.)
"Hitler´s escape had been discovered. In 1946, EIGHT countries
undertook ´scientific work´ in Antarctica, including Soviet, NORWEGIAN,
and American contingents. The American force alone numbered 4,000
ships, including an AIRCRAFT CARRIER, a DESTROYER, and a SUB-
MARINE, under the command of Admiral Byrd. On nearing the secret
Nazi saucer bases, ´vengeance was apparently swift´ for ´the Fuhrer was
not to be humored.´ Four of Byrd´s planes were lost without survivors.
A secret German weapon known as the SOUND [SONIC} CANNON,
which had been tested on pigs and, toward the end of the war, on
Russians crossing the Elbe River, was allegedly unleashed on Byrd´s
troops, paralyzing many of them, bugging out their eyes, and causing
them to run helter-skelter. Admiral Byrd abandoned his mission and
sailed home.
"WORLD WAR II IS NOT OVER. The more than forty ´police´
action wars since 1945, spanning the Korean and Vietnam conflicts,
´were supposed to provoke a premature "showing of hands" by the Last
Battalion.´ When Admiral Byrd failed to lure Hitler from his ice bunker,
in the process acknowledging ´the superiority of the UFOs and their
strange thing then happened. An entire fleet of UFOs swarmed in the
skies over Washington, D.C., for several nights in 1952, ´in perfect,
typically German formation.´ This demonstration of strength prompted
America to abandon its planned nuclear devastation of Antarctica.
"Occasionally these craft land to seek converts. The authors relate
the experience of American grain-buyer Reinhold Schmidt, a German
immigrant, who was taken aboard a ´flying saucer´ in 1957 by its German-
speaking occupants, a crew of blond, Aryan men and women. The
design of their craft resembled in most every detail the German proto-
types seen by such technicians as Hermann Klass, who is quoted
describing himself as being involved in the production of UFO parts.
"Where did Hitler and his scientists get their UFO plans? Did
visitors from other [planet] give them a helping hand because they
spoke the same or a similar technological language? During expedi-
tions to TIBET and the HIMALAYAS, could the Nazis have discovered
long-hidden secrets? It may even be possible, the authors claim,
that the Nazis were ´outer earth representatives of the "inner earth"
or "outer space" blond, blue-eyed giants who spook through Nordic,
Inca, Aztec, and even North American Indian legends.´"
"Is this the explanation for why Germans ´are different,´ why they
are ´leading the world in precision engineering and in technology,´ --
because among them dwell Saturnians and Atlanteans?"
(Note: "Inner earth" theories surface from time to time in Nazi
lore. Adolph Hitler was very impressed with the novel "THE COMING
RACE", written by Rosicrucian Grandmaster E. Bulwer Lytton, the
author of "THE LAST DAYS OF POMPEII". This novel described a
miner who while searching an abandoned mine in the four corners
area of the U.S., literally fell into an underground ´cavern realm´ inhabi-
ted by a race of humans who had abandoned the surface of the earth
during an ancient cataclysm. These people had learned to harness
an electromagnetic force called "VRIL", and were planning one day
to return from their subterranean world within the ´crust´ of the earth
and re-conquer the outer world. Hitler was very moved by the story,
apparently taking it as a literal account, and encouraged his inner
elite of Nazi occultists to experiment with channeling the "Vril"
force and establish the "Vril Society".
The Germans just prior to World War II were all over New Mexico
exploring mines, buying up land, etc. This is interesting in regards to
the alleged underground ´Illuminati´ bases near Dulce and other New
Mexican communities. According to Trevor Ravenscroft, the Nazi´s
had an alliance with Tibetan sorcerers who were intent on working with
the Germans to establish a demonic world religious and political order.
These sorcerers believed that their "masters" were a race of reptilian
humanoids or "serpent people" who lived in a subterranean realm [called
"Patala", "Snakeworld" or "Nagaloka" by the Hindus]. This legendary
seven-levelled underworld, with its infernal ´capitol´ Bhoga-Vita, became
the home of a race of reptiloid creatures called the ´Nagas´ which had
escaped underground following an prehistoric war with the human race
for domination of the surface of the planet. According to the legend,
others of their kind later escaped to Alpha Draconis ["Typhon"] with the
aid of the EVIL ONE himself [tie this in with the Hebrew account of the
"serpent race" as given in the third chapter of Genesis, and the New
Testament prophecies of Revelation chapter 12].
Their hidden domain legendarily spans the subsurface regions from
Benares, India to Lake Manosarowar, Tibet. This may be nothing more
than superstitious myth, but the important thing to remember is that the
Nazi´s and their secret Asian allies [the "Green Dragon" Society of Japan
and the Himalayan mystics of Tibet] DID believe in such a world, as
evidenced by Adolph Hitler´s fascination with Lytton´s "THE COMING
RACE". In fact, it was this work which played a large role in shaping
Hitler´s "super race" theories, for when the "insiders" finally emerged
to rule the world, Hitler and his occult heirarchy wanted to be on equal
terms with them. This is the very reason why the Nazi´s sent expedi-
tions throughout the world in search of caves, etc., not only to search
for possible sites for underground bases, but also to seek out and make
allegiences with the ´super race´ of Bulwer Lytton´s fantasy{?}.
Whether all this was true or not, the fact is that these beliefs played
a strong role in motivating the policies of the Nazi´s. For more infor-
mation on the Nazi´s alliances with the cave-dwelling secret societies
of Tibet, read Trevor Ravenscroft´s book "THE SPEAR OF DESTINY".
In regards to a ´serpent race´ which the gnostic Nazi occultists appar-
ently believed in, there is one line of non-traditional theological reasoning
which suggests that the ´serpent´ race of Genesis chapter 3 was a reptil-
ian or saurian bi-ped of more-or-less humanoid form, and was in fact the
most ´subtil´ [cunning/intelligent - Gen. 3:1] of all the beasts of the animal
kingdom: "...In the Jewish legends the serpent is sometimes described
as a modified reptilian human-like creature indicating that this description
was also gradually evolving into the symbolism of wickedness or Satan
into the image and likeness of a man." -- Quote from F. Alfred Morin´s
book, "THE SERPENT AND THE SATELLITE". (Philosophical Library.,
New York. p.343)
As a result of their insane jealously over the fact that the Creator had
bestowed upon mankind dominion over creation and over their own
serpentine ´race´, the ´serpent´ struck a deal with the Luciferians or fallen
angelics which in essence stipulated that if they allowed the Luciferians
[demons] to incarnate through or possess their race, they in return
would be given supernatural power or dominion over the creation as well
as over the human race, whom they despised. The gnostics who gave
rise to the Bavarian cults were serpent worshippers. Adolph Hitler in
fact, in his earlier years [1909], attempted to publish a comic book of
his own wherein the central hero-figure was a reptilian humanoid. Having
failed in this pursuit, he turned his efforts and interests to politics.
In the video "THE SECRETS OF THE THIRD REICH", distributed by
Vladimir Terziski, we learn that the early members of the Nazi Thule
and Vril societies used psychics in an attempt to establish telepathic
contact with ´aliens´. They apparently contacted something -- whether
that ´something´ involved aliens, demons, or both. Whoever or whatever
came through in these channelings did in fact influence immensely the
Nazi philosophy, including that of racial genocide.
William P. Lear is the inventor of the Lear Jet and the 8-Track Stereo.
He was also involved in some mysterious top-secret government pro-
jects involving antigravity research. His some happens to be flying ace
and test pilot John Lear. John has won more FAA aviation awards than
any other single pilot in history, and has taken part in top secret CIA
missions in southeast Asia and elsewhere. He speaks of a bizarre
scenario that he has "learned" through the intelligence grapevine, one
that he believes to be of such importance -- whether reality or not --
that he has put his reputation on the line by voicing the following
claims that have been made by his CIA/Intelligence contacts. Whether
or not the scenario is real or part of some elaborate disinformation or
propoganda operation, he cannot say for sure. The story is as follows:
In 1933 or thereabouts the Bavarians/Nazis discovered the remains
of a crashed aerial disk and then subsequently established contact
with a race of aliens -- two types of reptilian races, one being short and
grayish in color and the other, the overlords to the ´grays´, being tall
with scaly greenish ´skin´. Somehow the Nazi alliance with the aliens
had overflowed into the CIA, and a deal was made for a technology
trade between the CIA and the aliens. The CIA would ´recieve´ advan-
ced technology while at the same time they agreed to turn the other
way and ignore the abductions of humans and mutilation of cattle for
´scientific´ purposes. The whole operation was overseen by a group
called MJ-12, which carried out the ´tasks´ through the NSA, CIA, NRO
and other covert agencies. The exchanges would take place in two
underground bases to be constructed with ´alien´ help, one near Dulce,
NM and another under Groom Lake, NV.
All went according to plan until it was learned that the aliens never
intended to keep their end of the bargain. The technology could only
be used in the bases with alien ´subervision´, and more and more
abductees were not being returned as promised. Also, the aliens
began to interfere with the minds of base personnel and the technology
itself was found to be nothing but a ´Trojan Horse´ used buy the aliens
to gain control of the bases and the minds of key individuals in various
branches of military-intelligence via some type of mind control involving
electronic brain implants. Other personnel were actually replaced
by the aliens or replicates using the vast technology which the aliens
possessed which allowed them to appear at least outwardly ´human´,
and the infiltration of our society began in apparent preparation for a
future mass-invasion. When the conspiracy was discovered, ´alter-
cations´ broke out in the underground Dulce and Groom Lake [Dream-
land] bases. Dulce personnel had broken through to deeper ´alien-
controlled´ sectors of the labyrinth in 1979 wherein they discovered
the remains of thousands of abductees in cryogenic freeze, human
body parts, and others who were being held prisoner in cage-like
enclosures. As a result of this discovery the ´Dulce Wars´ erupted
in which Black Berets, AF Blue Berets, Delta Forces, Secret Service
and FBI agents played a part. The "Groom Wars" erupted about the
same time when a security guard dared to challenge an alien dictate
that human security personnel could not enter the ´alien sector´ of
the underground network with loaded weapons. In both of the conflicts
both human and alien [reptilian] security forces were killed. However
when the bloodbath was over the aliens -- which outnumbered the
humans throughout the course of the conflics -- managed to take
control of the bases.
For two years all contact with the aliens ceased and the CIA split
into two factions. One was a Nazi-backed faction called AQUARIUS
which wanted to appease the aliens and re-establish interaction with
them for personal gain and hopes of continuing the ´joint´ plan of world
domination. The other was a Navy-backed faction called COM-12 who
rejected any future interaction with the reptiloid ´grays´ and instead
sought to establish alliances with the humanoid enemies of the reptil-
ians -- humans based in Vega, the Pleiades and elsewhere, and nego-
tiate for technological assistance in hopes of defending the planet and
the Constitutional system as established by the founding fathers from
the Nazi-Alien alliance which were planning a global ´New World Order´
dictatorship with centralized and absolute electronic control of every
individual. COM-12 also wanted to maintain control of the vast ´arsenal´
at Area-51 and within the surrounding military complex, and also take
back the stolen bases. Work on the SDI or "Star Wars" projects
began in earnest, one of the secret projects being an earth-penetrating
warhead called "Excalibur" that was intended to destroy the ´enemy´
in their underground bases.
Com-12 is [according to the scenario] apparently tied-in with the
"Philadelphians" [named after the top secret "Philadelphia Projects"]
and Aquarius is in collaboration with the "Phoenecians" [named after
the Nazi "Phoenix" Projects].
As for the Vega-Pleiadeans, they have allegedly waged an ancient
war against the "Draconians" throughout the 3-4 thousand years since
they left planet earth to colonize the stars. The Draconians had done
the same, and saw the humanoids as a major threat in their goal to
conquer the galaxy. BOTH the humanoid and reptiloid races originally
came from earth -- the humanoid ´Nordics´ originally hailing from the
Gobi region which is said to have given rise to the pre-Scandinavian
races or tribes; and the reptilians [according to ´contactee´ Maurice
Doreal] originating from Antarctica when both regions were far more
hospitable than they are today. The Draconians, according to the
scenario, are now returning en masse in an attempt to re-take the
´home´ planet [according to the late and former Dulce base Security
Officer Thomas Edwin Castello], and the humanoids are working to
prevent a similar holocaust on earth as occured when the Draconians
conquered other star systems such as Lyra, Rigel and Procyon during
which they killed, enslaved or routed the human inhabitants of those
worlds without mercy.
Another tangent of this fantastic scenario is the idea that this
Bavarian-Draconian alliance [known as "Alternative-003"] is using
hyperspace drives and tachyon field physics to spread their poison
throughout this sector of the galaxy, and that they have committed
untold atrocities against the peaceful inhabitants of numerous earth-
born worlds that were originally colonized by ´ancient astronauts´
FROM planet earth...
NOW all of this would make a pretty cool science fiction movie don´t
you think? Well, the important thing to remember is that whether all of
this is true or not, or whether ´UFOs´ are physical objects, phantasmic
manifectations or a combination of both, the BELIEF in ´aliens´ plays
an integral role in the mechanics of deep-level politics, here in America
as well as abroad. This is why president Ronald Reagan could stand
before the 42nd United Nations General Assembly on Sept. 21, 1987
and state the following and be taken seriously by the delegates of the
various nations assempled there:
"In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget
how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some
outside, universal threat to make us realize this common bond. I occa-
sionally think how quickly our differences would vanish if we were facing
an ALIEN threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask you, IS NOT AN
(1963, Reinhold Schmidt, self-published):
"BY AVERAGE STANDARDS, his life seemed normal enough,
says Reinhold Schmidt, a sixty-year-old grain-buyer. One misty
afternoon, November 5, 1957, to be exact, a few miles from Kearney,
Nebraska, Schmidt passed an abandoned farmhouse near a sand
bed on the Platte River. He saw a brilliant flash of light ahead. His
car engine suddenly died. As he got out, he noticed what appeared
to be a half-inflated balloon. On walking closer, he saw that it was
some sort of silvery craft. A pencil-thin stream of light shot from it
and struck Schmidt in the chest, paralyzing him. Two men emerged
from the craft. One spoke English with a GERMAN accent. They
invited Schmidt aboard their spaceship.
"These men were of average height, as were the women on
board. ´Any one of them could have walked unnoticed among our
people.´ When they spoke [among] themselves they used ´HIGH
GERMAN,´ which Schmidt, being the son of German immigrants,
could understand. After less than an hour, they asked Schmidt
to leave.
"Later, when the ´significance of my experience hit me full force,
I shook so violently I had to stop the car....´ He reported the en-
counter to local law enforcement authorities in Kearney. They put
him in jail. Two Air Force officers arrived from Colorado to interrogate
him. A day later, local officials convened a mental-hearing board.
They assumed, after asking him only three questions, that Schmidt
must be mentally ill. Within the hour he was driven to Hastings,
Nebraska, admitted to a mental hospital, subjected to brain wave
and other tests -- ´If you weren´t a human being, what would you rather
be?´ one of the psychiatrists asked Schmidt, who replied: ´I´d rather
be a psychiatrist!´ He was released after two weeks.
"Schmidt reestablished contact with his friends, ´visitors from
Saturn´ [they ´claimed´]. They always landed their craft on accretion
land (not privately owned) so ´they would not be trespassing on
private property.´ Schmidt noticed they drank MJB brand coffee
and carried in their craft an MG sports car, which they periodically
used for sightseeing. They flew him in their spacecraft over the Arctic,
and to Egypt, where they visited beneath the Pyramid of Cheops a
secret chamber containing the huge wooden Cross on which Jesus
Christ died...
"While flying over southern California on one of these outings with
his Saturnian{?} friends, they pointed out for Schmidt the existence
of a quartz mine, quartz that cured cancer. Schmidt began selling
stock in the mine, which he DID NOT own, by telling elderly and wealthy
widows that quartz had healing power. Schmidt subsequently was
indicted, CONVICTED, and sentenced to prison on charges of fraud.
"Coral Lorenzen, in her essay for the book ´THE HUMANOIDS,´
describes an unsettling coincidence connected with Schmidt´s
initial contact with the ALLEGED space people. ´It is generally felt
tended to discredit him,´ she wrote. Except for a peculiar related
incident, he might easily be dismissed. About 6:30 A.M. ON THE
MORNING AFTER Schmidt´s experience on November 5, twelve-year-
old Everett Clark of Dante, Tennessee, saw an object in a field near
his home, with two men and two women walking around it. One of
the men grabbed for Everett´s dog, which growled and backed away.
The four persons talked ´LIKE GERMAN SOLDIERS,´ Everett later
told police. When the occupants reentered the BALLOONLIKE
object, they ´seemed´ to walk right through the side ´as if it were
glass.´ Everett probably could not have known about Schmidt´s
claim of having met GERMAN-speaking occupants of a balloon-like
craft, two states away and just HOURS earlier."

Paris Flammonde, in his book ´THE AGE OF FLYING SAUCERS´
(Hawthorne Books, Inc., N.Y.), adds the following:
"Reinhold O. Schmidt, a small-time businessman from Kearney,
Nebraska, was responsible for one of the more interesting contact
stories of 1957 (only 5 years after George Adamski´s contact with
an ´Aryan´ disk pilot who left footprints in the sand bearing SWASTICA-
like markings at Desert Center, California. - Wol). According to his
report, November 5 found him driving southeast of the community, at
about two thirty in the afternoon, under a cloudy gray sky. Something
brilliant suddenly flashed, and a short distance beyond he saw what
he subsequently describes as ´a large silvery ship of some kind of
metal... [which] appeared to be solid... without portholes or windows...
[It] must have been about 50 feet long and 30 feet wide and about 14
high... [It featured] a large tube about 12 feet in diameter in each end
of the ship, [and] in each of these tubes was a large 8-to-10-foot
bladed fan.´ (Was this craft one of the early helio-powered prototype
discs initially developed by the Nazi´s, or partly so? - Wol)
"The contactee recalls he was invited to enter the vehicle, within
which he found ´four men and two ladies.´ Mr. Schmidt was to expound
at length on the characteristics of the ship and its occupants, but best
remembered was his contention that while they spoke fluent English,
in EVERY instance the ACCENT was German,and that among them-
selves, they spoke nothing but HAUT DEUTSCH."

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The War of the Worlds is REAL. The invader is Lucifer/Satan and his fallen angels. The troops are the freemasons and NWO people. The objective is to establish the Merovingian Anti-Christ and the Beast System.
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Re: This is spooky folks, the "War of the Worlds" tralier...
Serpent worship, Nagas, and the fallen angels:

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"Now we know the Bible mentions how the fallen angels mated with human women and produced offspring and these were giants and others of various forms. This all happened before the flood of Noah. These human like people and fallen angels are what we know today to be the aliens.

Every culture in the past had it´s own version or form of mythologies, these mythologies were really about aliens/fallen angels and their offspring. Those people back then worshipped those beings as gods.

Atlantis created colonies the world over. Some of these were great, others small, and more primitive, as they received a lesser influence from the Atlanteans. The Atlanteans were the "gods", or(fallen) "Angels" or "Civilizing Heroes" whom we find in essentially all traditions. They are the Nagas of India and Indonesia, the Oannés of Sumero-Babylon, the Cabeiri and Corybants or, yet, the Heroes such as Hercules, Prometheus and Cadmus of the Greeks and Romans, and so on.
Seems like this is where most of the fallen angels established their throne in the form of mythological gods, it´s no wonder why God destroyed Atantis if it existed.

The Holy Mountain that we find in essentially all religions and sacred traditions concerning Paradise is indeed Mt. Atlas, the archetype of them all. We encounter the Holy Mountain under names such as Mt. Meru in the Indies, Mt. Calvary (or Golgotha) in Christianity, Mt. Qaf ("Skull" = Calvary) in Islamism, Mt. Kailasa (idem) in Shivaism, Mt. Salvat (or Calvat = "Skull") in Catharism, Mt. Olympos in Greece, etc.. all such derive directly from the Atlantean model, both in the New and the Old worlds.

This passage from the Book of Enoch describes the fall of lucifer:

Chapter 6, VI
1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ´Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.´ 3. And Semjaza, (sounds almost like satan. Satan has many names)
Who was their leader, said unto them: ´I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.´

They knew going in that what they were doing was dead wrong.

. And they all answered him and said: ´Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.´(satan and his followers) . Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. . And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.

Could this be the very same mountain as mount Atlas and the other names different people call it?

This is the same place where the fallen angels descended from Heaven to live among mankind.

Mt. Olympos, for instance, derives its name from the Greek Olmos Hippous, meaning "the Mountain of the Centaurs". But the Centaurs (Khentarfos) derive their name and their myth from the Gandharvas of India, where Mt. Meru is called "the Mountain of the Gandharvas". This fact shows the Indian origin of the myths of ancient Greece. Again, the Holy Mountain this time directly connected with an Atlas figure (Ayar Cachi) turned to stone is also found in Peru as the Huanacauri of the Incas. In fact, wherever we find the myth of the Holy Mountain of Paradise, we are able to trace it back to Mt. Meru and the Indies, that is, to Atlantis.

Atlantis was destroyed in the flood along with the rest of the aliens/fallen angels kingdoms on earth. Atlantis was mst likely the main place where their kingdom was set up and Atlantis was considered a place where advanced technology existed.

In symbolic form, the Holy Mountain is also represented as a pyramid or an obelisk, or similar structures. These include artefacts such as the pylons of Egyptian temples, the towers of the Babylonian ziggurats, the spires of the Gothic cathedrals and the Hindu gopuras and pyramidal temples. The pyramids above all the step pyramids of Egypt (Zozer´s), of Mexico, of Peru and of the Far East (China, Japan) are all replicas of Mt. Meru, which is also shaped as a four-sided pyramid in Hindu traditions."

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