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impending EARTHQUAKE for INDIANPOLIS...PRAY for souls taken into eternity

 
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Hmmmm.....posting in the Disclaimer below:

We do not discriminate against the mentally ill!


Don't hurt yourself thinking too much about the Bible.....

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Professor Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at Ulster University, said many more members of the "intellectual elite" considered themselves atheists than the national average.

A decline in religious observance over the last century was directly linked to a rise in average intelligence, he claimed.

Professor Lynn, who has provoked controversy in the past with research linking intelligence to race and sex, said university academics were less likely to believe in God than almost anyone else.

A survey of Royal Society fellows found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God - at a time when 68.5 per cent of the general UK population described themselves as believers.

A separate poll in the 90s found only seven per cent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God.

Professor Lynn said most primary school children believed in God, but as they entered adolescence - and their intelligence increased - many started to have doubts.

He told Times Higher Education magazine: "Why should fewer academics believe in God than the general population? I believe it is simply a matter of the IQ. Academics have higher IQs than the general population. Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs tend not to believe in God."

He said religious belief had declined across 137 developed nations in the 20th century at the same time as people became more intelligent.

But Professor Gordon Lynch, director of the Centre for Religion and Contemporary Society at Birkbeck College, London, said it failed to take account of a complex range of social, economic and historical factors.

"Linking religious belief and intelligence in this way could reflect a dangerous trend, developing a simplistic characterisation of religion as primitive, which - while we are trying to deal with very complex issues of religious and cultural pluralism - is perhaps not the most helpful response," he said.

Dr Alistair McFadyen, senior lecturer in Christian theology at Leeds University, said the conclusion had "a slight tinge of Western cultural imperialism as well as an anti-religious sentiment".

Dr David Hardman, principal lecturer in learning development at London Metropolitan University, said: "It is very difficult to conduct true experiments that would explicate a causal relationship between IQ and religious belief. Nonetheless, there is evidence from other domains that higher levels of intelligence are associated with a greater ability - or perhaps willingness - to question and overturn strongly felt institutions."
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I wonder why so many scholarly types assume intelligence is higher among the educated. Many people without access to education are very intelligent. IMHO it is education and information that opens peoples eyes to the idea that religion may make no sense, not higher intelligence. Religion requires one of tthree things to prosper,

1. A lack of information,
2. A fear of gods vengeance instilled from childhood,
3. a great personal need (crutch).

If people find solace in believing they have a purpose in life beyond the daily grind, what does it hurt to let them have their gods. It's when they start inflicting their beliefs on others or causing wars for their beliefs that I have a problem.
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Ok, I'll preface this by saying that I am not Catholic, nor (edit) am I even "religious"... however, I am also not a moron when it comes to adding up the facts.

There is a woman in Canada named Carmen Humphrey. As soon as I read the first post I immediately recognized the set-up as being nearly identical to what Carmen does as well. ...and who knows how many other makeshift gatherings like this go on all over the world.

From what I understand, Carmen has visions, hears messages, and has turned rosaries to gold during many of her prayer gathering deals.

At the following URL, I find her May 4th spiel especially interesting, and also the fact that the messages that come through her touch on the same thing on more than one occasion:

[link to www.carmenhumphrey.org]


I'm not saying that IN is going to get hit with some giant quake... but I'm also not going to say that it isn't going to happen...

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Nostra,

Thanks! for the link, it's been so long since I read a
message to Carmon Humphrey. I had lost her website.




I think of the words of St. Michael the Archangel in a message of 6/1/2010:

..."Prepare earnestly for the events that are to come by also preparing your family members and your friends, who are open to hearing the call of the Lord. It will be with great difficulty that you will be able to communicate with so many of your brothers and sisters, because so many of you, who are in allegiance with our good cause, are still blissfully unaware that a Great Transformation cannot take place without great changes that will significantly impact your lives in ways that you have never experienced before"...


This is the reason why, who can imagine a terrible earthquake?
I have two friends who live in Indianapolis, they may not
"hear" this message if I send it to them.

Would you e-mail it to them anyway, not care how they react?

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I sent my friends an e-mail.

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Dear Isabelle and Tom,

Hi, I hope you are both okay, we are fine.

You know I send this along because I love you and I was converted by the messages.
We are all going to experience Tribulation, right now, the people along the Gulf. I read a secular comment yesterday about roads cracking and cracks in houses on the New Madrid fault! They can't keep up with repairing the roads.

What can we do but trust God, pray for souls and as Catholics go and make a good, no, the best Confession.
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The country(USA) is going to shake for 20 minutes, San Francisco is going to fall into the ocean. then people will understand their is a fundamental alarm in heaven. Nobody will doubt God exists. Pray America its soon!
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The country(USA) is going to shake for 20 minutes, San Francisco is going to fall into the ocean. then people will understand their is a fundamental alarm in heaven. Nobody will doubt God exists. Pray America its soon!
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Did anyone read the Indianapolis messages posted at the beginning and see any reference to WHERE the quake would occur?
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The country(USA) is going to shake for 20 minutes, San Francisco is going to fall into the ocean. then people will understand their is a fundamental alarm in heaven. Nobody will doubt God exists. Pray America its soon!

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Did anyone read the Indianapolis messages posted at the beginning and see any reference to WHERE the quake would occur?
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Excerpts from recent messages to Carol Ameche on earthquakes


Earthquake messages


This is a collection of excerpts from recent messages. Please read and begin to pray. Carol


"I just returned from two weeks of talks in Indiana, where word of an impending earthquake was given to two people I know there, a man and a woman who received almost exactly the same words at the same time about a large quake with aftershocks, in the area of Indianapolis, IN., without knowledge of each other's messages. Almost immediately, I began to receive messages from Jesus and the Father about this earthquake and the directive to share this information with all of you, especially for requests of constant prayers for those who will be taken into eternity in this quake,"...
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This is from Jennifer at WordsfromJesus.com

3/17/10
3:00 PM

My child, pray for your country for it will not be spared. Pray for those who are not prepared to see their hour of judgment. I have told you that an earthquake will come and it will rise along the banks of a mighty river where the great arch bends. Many will perish. Pray for those who live on the coastline of the Pacific for the transgressions of those there are greater than of the time of Sodom and Gomorrah. Be attentive to My words and pray, pray, pray for I am Jesus and My mercy and justice will prevail.



I don't know about this earthquake in Indianapolis, but it seems like it should have happened already.


The above message seems to be indicating St. Louis.
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Carol Ameche is another false prophet.

In my humble and pious opinion as a faithful Roman Catholic theologian, the claimed private revelations to Carol Ameche (www.giftstor.org/Ameche05frs.html) are not true private revelations from Heaven. A list of reasons and examples follows.

Introduction: Carol Ameche is one of several persons from St. Maria Goretti Parish in Scottsdale, in the diocese of Phoenix, Arizona, who claim to have received private revelations. She claims to have had messages from Heaven since the 1980's and continuing to the present day (2006). Her messages have much the same characteristics as other false private revelations, including those of John Leary and Josyp Terelya, with whom she associates.


1. Predictions of Bad Weather and Natural Disasters

False private revelations often contain predictions and seemingly dire warnings about bad weather and natural disasters. They make such predictions because such events always occur, every year, in one place or another, and so, when one such event or another naturally occurs, they can claim it is a fulfilled prophecy.


May 27, 1999
Jesus: “Be ready now to experience greater and longer dry spells in your weather in certain areas, and the resulting shortages. Pray that more will notice the need for water storage without the usual rain, and be moved to buy more gallons that will tide over the many who seek help after the Warning and during the times of drought.”


Notice that this prediction is vague, and that what it predicts is generally mild: somewhat greater and larger dry spells, and then only in certain areas. It is the type of prediction that almost guaranteed to happen sooner or later, to one extent or another; but it is not the type of prediction that Jesus the Son of God gives through true private revelation. This type of prediction is both uninformative, since these events of nature often occur, and it promotes fear and uncertainty.

Notice also that this supposed disaster of dry spells in certain areas is said to be associated with the Warning (the first of three events or sets of events described in the true private revelations at Garabandal). Yet the messages of Garabandal clearly say that the Chastisement, a series of afflictions for the world, do not occur at the time of the Warning, but not until some length of time after the Miracle (the second event predicted at Garabandal). Thus, these messages both borrow from the messages of Garabandal, by talking about the Warning, and they distort those messages, by claiming that various afflictions occur before and during the time of the Warning.

This type of natural disaster prediction generally tends to be vague, devoid of specifics about place and time; but when they do mention a place or a time, it is a place where such things regularly occur.


September 9, 2004
“My dearest one, I am your God and Father. I bring great strength today, as you have requested. Daughter, the great storms are about to flatten much of the state of Florida. For years My Church there has taken a liberal and promiscuous turn. My priest sons, and those who think of themselves as holy, have hurled blasphemy and ridicule in My Face. They show their disbelief in My Commandments by their callous and unclean behavior. It is this continuous attraction to self-gratification that brings My wrath upon this state filled with the most beautiful of My Creation.”


This message was given only after two major hurricanes had struck the State of Florida that same year. This is a common pattern in false private revelation. Only after a major natural disaster do they present messages saying that the same type of natural disaster will occur again. And, of course, a prediction that hurricanes will strike the State of Florida is not a supernatural revelation, but a statement of common knowledge. Yet they present such messages as if they were a revelation from God. Notice how uninformative false private revelation is.

Notice also, in the above message, that God is presented as insulted, frustrated, angry, and fed up with human sinfulness. This message also presents God as if He were complaining about His own Church. This is not the way that God, in His infinite Mercy and Love, speaks to His people in true private revelation. But it is a common characteristic of false private revelation.


6/28/99
Mary: “Dearest daughter, please write my words for the world, and especially those who wait to entrap Our messengers of important information from Heaven regarding hidden plans to destroy the world, the Church and all the people everywhere who believe in God and love Him. Today is another one of sunshine and heat in your area. The world looks peaceful when one is living the quiet days of summer, unaware of the plans of evil men that seek to control the many innocent and helpless people of the earth. Difficult and destructive weather will continue in many areas, bringing extremes of drought or flooding. Fires are about to break out in the parched areas that will bring record devastation to this country. The ability of your government to control weather has brought emergency conditions to a new level of experience. This is by design, and will leave more suffering from effects of heat. Deaths will increase during this blistering summer, as will the number of people displaced from flimsy shelters and put on the streets. The more dependant on the government this category of Our dear people becomes, the more dangerous will be their future, as they become targets of gangs who are equipped by your One World leaders.”


Does this sound like the words of the Virgin Mary to you? The message contains the usual vague predictions of bad weather and natural disasters found in false private revelation. Do you really think that the Blessed Virgin Mary would give a supernatural message from Heaven to say that the weather will be difficult in many areas? True private revelation is not so vague and uninformative. Concerning the predictions of fires, it is common knowledge that there are wildfires in the U.S. every year. The message also predicts hot weather in the summer; again, this is not a revelation.

Notice also that this message contains a kind of conspiracy theory, encouraging unreasonable fears about absurd and unsupportable claims. First, there is the bizarre claim about the government controlling the weather. Then there is a common conspiracy theory found in false private revelation, that of a 'one world people' conspiring behind the scenes to take over the world. True private revelation does not contain this kind of suggestion of hidden conspiracies.


1/4/01
Jesus: “I have named this bitter cold of the days ahead as the beginning of your first tribulation. I tell you, there will be many more wildfires, airplane disasters, weather anomalies, disasters of unbidden storms never seen at this time of year. There will be entire areas in different parts of the world that will be totally removed from the earth by one or more of these hostile conditions. When I speak of tribulation, My precious ones, I do not simply mean a very cold winter or fierce storms of the kind you have yet to see, or even that your ancestors and relatives used to talk about, but the kind that destroy enormous numbers of people and large portions of the earth.”


There are very many such vague predictions of bad weather and natural disasters in these messages. This one additional message should be sufficient as an example. Notice that the tribulation, described in the Book of Revelation with symbolic language indicating very severe events, is said in this message to begin merely with bitter cold weather. And this was said in January of 2001. Now, as I write this in September of 2006, the tribulation clearly has not begun. Therefore, this message contains a false claim about the tribulation.

It also claims, again in contradiction to the Book of Revelation, that the events of the tribulation consist of wildfires, airplane disasters, weather anomalies, and storms occurring at unusual times of the year. At this point in the message, the ideas presented are laughable, but then it goes even further. The message claims that these fairly mild events will cause entire areas of the world to be 'totally removed from the earth by one or more of these hostile conditions.' And the explanation for this apparent contradiction is that the cold winter and the storms will be very severe, so as to 'destroy enormous numbers of people and large portions of the earth.' This set of events supposedly began in January of 2001, and yet no such destruction of large portions of the earth has occurred.

The above message predicts great destruction in the future. Well, it is common knowledge among Christians that there will eventually be a tribulation, which includes severe afflictions for the world. But the author of this message clearly has no idea when this will happen, or what type of afflictions it will include. Therefore, such messages do not come from Jesus or Mary or Heaven at all.


2. The claim that the Antichrist is in the world today

The most common claim made by false private revelations in the world today is that the Antichrist is in the world today. See my article explaining, according to Scripture and the writings of Saints, why this cannot be true: [link to www.catholicplanet.com]

The claim that the Antichrist is in the world is often accompanied by other related claims, such as that he will be associated with an evil antipope, and that Jesus will soon return, during this present generation, to destroy the Antichrist. Now the Church does teach that eventually there will be an Antichrist, and that eventually Jesus Christ will return. But these events are of the distant future, not of the present day as these messages claim.


March 26, 1999
Jesus: “I no longer call you slaves when you respond generously to My Father's commandments, but there are many (aggressive countries and agents of the Antichrist) who have every plan in place that will result in the enslavement of the strong and annihilation of the weak.... You will wish you had answered the call of My Mother when you see the condition of your souls, when you see the greed and power of the Antichrist conquer nearly the entire world!”

April 4, 1999
Mary: “Your prayers and praise and adoration are needed more than ever, now that initial steps have been taken in the plans of the Antichrist and his followers. I know, my darling faithful ones, how difficult it is to receive these words. We only attempt to prepare you for the fact that these terrible plans of the Evil One are about to begin on a level of destruction NEVER seen by any human before!”


Notice that messages about the Antichrist tend toward fear-mongering, and they also have some of the characteristics of a conspiracy theory, i.e. that the Antichrist is conspiring behind the scenes to ready some hidden yet terrible plan. True private revelation does not speak in this manner.


5-5-00
Jesus: “There will be some places continuing to receive these gifts, while others remain centers of prayer, but seeing an end of messages almost immediately. This is my Will for you now; but also a sign to you that My Plan escalates and moves forward, as the Antichrist also moves his plans forward in his attempt to annihilate a great portion of the earth and so many of its inhabitants.”

1/4/01
Jesus: “In the past, My beloved ones, I have told you that each of you was chosen to live at this time and, before you were born, given particular gifts in order to serve the people My Father would send to you after certain events of destruction and the Great Gift of His Warning to you, that the opportunity to be Our faithful remnant during these End Times was offered to all, but few accepted and even fewer will persevere in the face of possible martyrdom at the hands of the Antichrist.”

1/4/01
“You know in your hearts that a nuclear war is being prepared by the followers of Satan through the Antichrist. And make no mistake, My people, the threat of a nuclear attack has been agreed to by all the superpowers even to the agreement of which nation receives a first strike.”


Does this sound to you like the Jesus of the Gospels? No, it does not. Nor is this the way that Jesus and Mary speak in true private revelation. Notice that, again, the false claim that the Warning will occur during a time of great destruction; this contradicts the messages at Garabandal, which first revealed the Warning, and which say that the Chastisement will occur some length of time after both the Warning and the subsequent Miracle have occurred.

Notice also the conspiracy theory which makes the absurd claim that 'the superpowers' have already conspired and agreed as to which nation will be struck first. Now the threat of nuclear war has been with the world for many years now, but none of the true private revelations make this association between the dangers of a world that has nuclear weapons and the supposed presence in the world of the Antichrist.


3. False claim that Jesus will return for this present generation

Since Scripture says that the Antichrist will be destroyed by the return of Jesus Christ (2 Thess 2:Cool, the false idea that the Antichrist has already arrived is often associated with the idea that Jesus will return very soon, such that many persons alive today would see His return. But this cannot be the case, for Scripture and the Saints have predicted many generations of events between now and then.


February 8, 1999
Jesus: “Go in peace, knowing that you are My Chosen Remnant who will remain faithful, many of whom will see Me coming on the clouds with My Angels to defeat the Anti-Christ, to defeat Satan and all his cohorts and followers. You will fight with Me, My dear ones.”

February 6, 1999
Mary: “Dear people of the world. Rejoice! It is the 'time of your life,' this preparation for My Jesus' return to Earth. It is the fulfillment of all the reasons you were born at this time, brought to this moment in history through all the experiences of your life, your training from the earliest days”


None of the true private revelations claim that Jesus is about to return, so that people alive today would live to see His return. But it is a common claim among the false private revelations.


4. Conspiracy Theories and Fear-mongering

Many of the messages already cited above contain elements of conspiracy theories and fear-mongering. They claim that all kinds of evil plans are being readied, completely unknown to the world except for in these messages. And the plans and events that are being prepared are supposedly very grave. Yet no details are given as to where and when these claimed events will occur. The effect is to leave those who listen to these messages in fear and uncertainty. True private revelation does not contain conspiracy theories and does not inspire fear and uncertainty.


February 21, 1999
Jesus: “Each country plays its role in the events that ultimately set up the reign of the Anti-Christ (and the fulfillment of scripture, for these End Times), that will allow the One-World Order to take over the ENTIRE world! Each smaller nation will be a puppet in the hands of those who have the first and last say. Your own country will be devastated by the plans of your leaders to allow foreign governments to take control and further subdue any retaliation on the part of loyal Americans. This is NOT about patriotism. This is about TREASON, at the highest level, of CRIMINAL activity. The One-World people are CRIMINALS, first and foremost, without consciences or an understanding of right and wrong.”

2/28/00
Jesus: “I speak as One Who continues to offer from My Divinity information about all that is about to break upon the world, and with requests and directives for you to follow in order to be saved from the plans of the One World Government agenda bloated by greed for power, and amassed wealth.”

August 9, 2001
Jesus: “The Masonic interference and presence in My Church must not become a matter of public knowledge too soon in the One World Plans! A domino effect will be present in the breakup and break down of all the moral and physical structures (you will see begin to collapse) in the coming weeks and months. As wars develop, social structures are weakened by the separation within families and the weakening that occurs from terrorist attacks and spreading fear.”

June 2, 2001
Jesus: “Events have exploded in the world today. These are signs to the one worlders to begin rash behavior in their countries, to escalate Satan's plans to leave several countries without leaders and vulnerable to neighboring territories. Believe the seriousness of these developments, little one. They have set the world stage for new and unbelievable events from now on. The world will seem to have gone mad, and hysteria will reign on several fronts. Your own President will be challenged again by the Chinese whose power is far greater than even the U.S. realizes.”


Concerning the 'one world people,' this idea is often found in false private revelation. The claim is that the Antichrist has a group of people working secretly behind the scenes with him (again, in a conspiracy theory) who all want the world to be united as one people under the Antichrist. This contradicts not only faith, Scripture, and the writings of the Saints about the future of the Church, but also reason and common sense. For better or for worse, the world today is very divided. No nation or group of nations presently has anywhere near to the influence or power, over society and government, to unite the world. Nor is there some secret group of people in the world trying to do so. And the Antichrist is not in the world today; his time is in the distant future.


1/4/01
Jesus: “Listen not to those who say, 'God wouldn't talk in this way or try to frighten us with threats of war.' ... Stop your own critical airs and clever, harsh words and sorry judgmentalism against My messengers who have agreed to suffer for your resistance and rejection of My words, of Me. This will be one of the last times such strong words are used by Heaven to shake you from your complacent and lofty slumber and disinterest. Do not listen to the voices of the evil one and those who scoff at these renewed warnings for large-scale disasters and cold that freezes and kills.”


So, not only will there be 'large-scale' disasters, but it will also be cold outside, or so they say. And I say that you should listen to those who say that God would not talk in the way, or that He would not engage in fear-mongering and conspiracy theories. Faith and reason are not enemies, they are brothers. Messages that are clearly contrary to both faith and reason cannot be from God or from Heaven.


5. False Claims about the Pope and the Antichrist

Now we come to another false claim often associated with the claim that the Antichrist is in the world today. There is an idea in many false private revelations that a pope or antipope will be closely associated with the Antichrist. Some false private revelations claim that the Antichrist will be the pope, others claim that an evil antipope will take control of the Church in order to assist the Antichrist.

Now there have been many antipopes (persons who falsely or incorrectly claimed to be the Pope), but they were not all evil. Saint Hippolytus of Rome is a Saint and a martyr, and he was once an antipope (but he repented of his false claim to be the Pope). So not every antipope is evil. Also, there are several false claimants to the papacy (antipopes) in the world today, but none of them have control over the worldwide Roman Catholic Church, nor do any of them have much power or influence at all. So antipopes are not necessarily evil, and they generally do not have much power or influence.

Consider these three messages:


6/28/99
Mary: “What will you do, My people of the Immaculate Heart, when messages cease to be given by Heaven? ... Will you follow the new Pope who will be elected, as our beloved John Paul goes into hiding from the enemies everywhere who plot and scheme to take his life? What will you do when you need to spend long months in hiding from the Antichrist and his agents? Will you give in to their offer of the microchip in order to have an 'easier life?' ”

2/28/00
Jesus: “You, My children, will see the victory, (already won), being fought, being realized as Satan is actually defeated and chained in Hell with his demons; as the Antichrist and his accomplice, the Antipope and all their followers, are thrown into Hell following the annihilation of much of the earth and its inhabitants.”

August 9, 2001
John Paul II is on the brink of major announcements to the Catholic world that will finalize secret plans of so many dissidents in the ranks of the hierarchy. Remember, please, although you will see shocking activity and hear disobedient and shocking words from many, who should be supporting him, (Pope) you will recognize these developments as steps in the Father's Plan to allow Satan's Plan to again escalate and fulfill all of Scripture until My Return.


So these messages claim that the Antichrist is in the world today, and they say that the Antichrist will have an accomplice who is an Antipope, and the first message above clearly implies that the Pope after John Paul II will be this Antipope. The claim that the Pope after John Paul II would be evil or an antipope or the Antichrist is a false claim found among several different false private revelations.

Notice also that the prediction that Pope John Paul II would make a major announcement that would finalize secret plans of dissidents did not happen. He made no such announcement; he was a very popular Pope and now, after his death, he remains one of the most popular Popes in history, with much support among the faithful and the clergy at every level. These messages imply things that are not true and they predict events that did not happen. Such is not the way with true private revelation.

In the first of these three quoted messages, the claim is made that the Antichrist will use some kind of microchip to gain control of people.


8/3/00
The Father: “More and more you will see freedoms removed as the Antichrist displays his power through new laws and restrictions and requirements. All of you will know and recognize immediately what has occurred, as changes are enacted, and freedom of travel and movement is surrounded by certain restrictions which render you unable to comply with new circumstances that require special passes or cards, and finally the implantation of a chip in each person in the world who desires to continue life in the 'world.' My faithful ones, you have been repeatedly warned of the need to prepare for a time of danger and great change in your lives. THAT TIME IS HERE.”


In this message also, the claim is made that the Antichrist will implant a computer chip in people to control them. This claim is also found in several other false private revelations. This claim is contrary to reason. There are over 6.5 billion people in the world today, divided into very many nations and groups. No one person or group has the ability to control them all. And the idea of the Antichrist using a computer chip to control people is not found in any of the true private revelations.


6. False Predictions of Future Events


February 12, 1999
Mary: “Yes, Our people must pray for each other and for this country. A sad day is it that now sets the plan of the Anti-Christ in greater motion, free now to do and act, and be the vehicle for destruction and enslavement. This leader of your country leads all who will allow him into the darkest times in all of history. He has publicly received pardon for criminal activity EVERYONE KNOWS HE COMMITTED!”


This message refers to President Clinton as 'this leader of your country' and claims that he is leading everyone into 'the darkest times in history.' Yet his eight-year presidency is long over, and it was clearly not the darkest of times in history. Also, the claim that he was publicly pardoned is not correct; he was impeached and not convicted, but this does not constitute a pardon.


February 21, 1999
Jesus: “Only the love of Jesus in the hearts of the few Faithful Remnant will ultimately defeat the might that Satan has been allowed by the Father in order to accomplish the ultimate renewal of the world,--after My Jesus, your Savior and your King, returns to the Earth. You will be more convinced of this truth as you see and experience the growth of evil in the world, and the apparent success of the Anti-Christ and his followers.... Martial law, My dear ones, is only a matter of months away from being accomplished in this land of opportunity!”


In February of 1999, this message claimed that martial law in 'this land of opportunity,' i.e. the United States, was 'only a matter of months away from being accomplished.' Now the number of months completed between then and now (as I write this in early September of 2006) is just over 90 months. We are not now, nor have we been under martial law. Therefore, this message contains a false prediction, and so it cannot be a message from Jesus the Son of God.

Notice that here again a message claims that the Antichrist is in the world and that Jesus will return for this generation. Many other false private revelations make the same claim; none of the true ones make such a claim.


7. False claims about the Warning

Already, in several of the above messages, I have pointed out false claims made in these messages about the Warning. The main false claim is that there will be severe disasters, apparently those of the tribulation, before and after the Warning. But this contradicts the messages of Garabandal, which is where the very term 'the Warning' comes from; those messages of Garabandal say that the Warning is followed about a year later by the Miracle, and then, sometime after the Miracle, the Chastisement begins. Here are some additional messages that say much the same thing:


1/4/01
Remember too that, although many wait in prayerful hope for the coming of the Illumination of all to the state of their souls as your God sees them, you are to remember that great destruction will usher in this Warning from My Father and many, many people will be taken into Eternity by an act of His mercy, as He also allows the plans of Satan to escalate to this degree, that His Own plans might begin (in this Age) to bring salvation to all who will accept it.

June 2, 2001
Then all will begin with sudden and acute destruction that will set up the period of time that includes the Warning, the caring for huge numbers of people and the brief Golden Age of Our Spirit resulting from unimagined conversions and return to My Father.


Notice how vague these messages are, not saying when the Warning will occur, or what the destruction will be, or when this destruction will occur. Such is the way with false private revelation.


July 28, 1999
The Holy Spirit: “Listen closely to all that is presented to you in order that you might further prepare yourselves for the great act of Mercy in the Warning of the Father, and the Second Coming of the Son.”


Here is another error in the teachings of these messages about the Warning. They claim that the Second Coming of Jesus will occur soon after the Warning. This cannot be the case for a number of reasons. First, the Antichrist is not in the world and will not arrive for hundreds of years. And second, the Return of Jesus only occurs after the Antichrist's reign. And third, the messages of Garabandal, a true private revelation and the first of the private revelations to reveal the Warning, say no such thing; they don't mention the Antichrist or the Return of Jesus Christ at all.


July 12, 2000
The Father: “Already new storms have devastated areas where sin and rejection of My Laws are rampant. Already, the Angels stand at the four corners of the world to begin pouring out woes upon the world: famine, disease, pestilence, drought and storms that will further scourge the countries that are most hardened against Me. These are further signs that fulfill My prophecies and set up the appearance of the Antichrist just after the Warning.”


Here is a different version of the above mentioned error, which claims that the events of the tribulation (alluded to by the phrase 'the Angels stand at the four corners of the world') begin before the Warning. The message makes the false claim that all these disasters are signs that will precede the Warning, which is much the opposite of what was taught at Garabandal. Also, the message again claims the Antichrist is in the world.


June 9, 1999
Jesus: “Oh My dear ones, how I love you, and will welcome you back instantly into My Heart and Mercy, My Grace and Forgiveness, even though you have continued to reject all of Our attempts to purify you now, and prepare you for this gift of Mercy of the Father's Warning and ultimately for My return to defeat Satan and all his followers ... the worst and most evil on earth who is the Antichrist.”


Again, a message makes the false claim that the Warning will be associated with the rise to power of the Antichrist and the Return of Jesus Christ.


May 30, 1999
Jesus: “Praise and thank Him for showing you Truth in the Great Warning that is nearly upon you.”


In May of 1999, this message claimed that the Warning 'is nearly upon you.' Yet here we are seven years later and no Warning has occurred. I have the impression from reading so many of these messages about the future, that the author of these messages just has no idea at all what is going to happen in the future or when it will happen. Yes, there will be a Warning, but that idea has been expropriated from the messages of Garabandal. These messages to Carol Ameche add no knowledge or wisdom of their own.


December 25, 1999
Jesus: “Those who refuse to listen, refuse to see and acknowledge the presence of this evil in the ways of the world, will be doomed forever by it unless they accept the grace and opportunity given shortly by the Gift of My Father's Warning! Those who continue to accept the deception and empty promises of Satan will lose these graces ultimately and belong to those followers of the Antichrist who will also be defeated (with him) by Me, and driven into Hell.”


This is not the way that the Jesus of the Gospels talks. He does not say that you 'will be doomed forever' unless you respond correctly to one event or situation, in this case the Warning. Also, I think that even in the distant future, when the Antichrist does arrive, that even his followers always have the opportunity to repent and to be forgiven and to go to Heaven. These messages present, by contrast, words of despair and hopelessness. Christ does not speak in this way.


8. Worldly un-Christ-like language

Here are some further messages which show a manner of speaking that is unlike Jesus Christ in the Gospels and in true private revelations.


February 28, 2000
Jesus: “Think of a Giant Toad, My dear ones, who is blown up with itself tenfold!”

February 1, 1999
Jesus: “Do you think one who dances with a ballet troupe is able to perform without hours and years of practice daily? ... The position of 'prima dancer' is open in most cities! Would you care to 'try out' for this? Are you prepared to lead the rest? Are you familiar with every step delivered with the greatest ease and grace?”

May 27, 1999
Jesus: “MAKE WATER A PRIORITY, MY PEOPLE, and do without some frivolous beverage and even harmful excesses in order to purchase more.... Organize your bedding and clothing, My dear ones....”


Instead of commenting further, I will simply ask you: Does the Jesus that you know speak in this manner?


9. False Claim of Places of Refuge during the Tribulation

Lastly, let me point out a false idea found in many claimed private revelations. This idea is similar to the Protestant idea of a rapture, an event which takes the best Christians out of the world and up to Heaven before the tribulation; the Protestant idea of a rapture is contrary to Catholic teaching. The similar idea, found in a number of false private revelations, is that the best Catholics will be led by God or by Angels to special places of hiding and protection during the tribulation, so that they do not have to suffer. This claim is merely a modified version of the Protestant rapture; instead of going up to Heaven in order to avoid suffering, the claim is made that some people will be miraculously hidden by God in various places on earth.


January 25, 2000
Jesus: “I have told you your mission includes visits to Our faithful ones until I return. This renewal and encouragement will be so necessary as all of you are hidden from the Antichrist's followers in a special place and miraculous way during long months and years of waiting (!)”


This claim is contrary to the teaching of the Book of Revelation about the tribulation, which clearly says that even the Saints will suffer much during that time. It is also a claim often found in false private revelation, and never found in true private revelation.


Conclusion

The message of Carol Ameche have the usual characteristics of false private revelation, including the claim that the Antichrist is in the world today, the claim that Jesus will return for this generation, vague predictions of natural disasters and bad weather, and the other features mentioned above. There are very many other such messages. These should be sufficient to show that the claimed private revelations to Carol Ameche are false and are not true private revelations from Heaven.


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Carol Ameche is another false prophet.

In my humble and pious opinion as a faithful Roman Catholic theologian, the claimed private revelations to Carol Ameche (www.giftstor.org/Ameche05frs.html) are not true private revelations from Heaven. A list of reasons and examples follows.

Introduction: Carol Ameche is one of several persons from St. Maria Goretti Parish in Scottsdale, in the diocese of Phoenix, Arizona, who claim to have received private revelations. She claims to have had messages from Heaven since the 1980's and continuing to the present day (2006). Her messages have much the same characteristics as other false private revelations, including those of John Leary and Josyp Terelya, with whom she associates.


1. Predictions of Bad Weather and Natural Disasters

False private revelations often contain predictions and seemingly dire warnings about bad weather and natural disasters. They make such predictions because such events always occur, every year, in one place or another, and so, when one such event or another naturally occurs, they can claim it is a fulfilled prophecy.


May 27, 1999
Jesus: “Be ready now to experience greater and longer dry spells in your weather in certain areas, and the resulting shortages. Pray that more will notice the need for water storage without the usual rain, and be moved to buy more gallons that will tide over the many who seek help after the Warning and during the times of drought.”


Notice that this prediction is vague, and that what it predicts is generally mild: somewhat greater and larger dry spells, and then only in certain areas. It is the type of prediction that almost guaranteed to happen sooner or later, to one extent or another; but it is not the type of prediction that Jesus the Son of God gives through true private revelation. This type of prediction is both uninformative, since these events of nature often occur, and it promotes fear and uncertainty.

Notice also that this supposed disaster of dry spells in certain areas is said to be associated with the Warning (the first of three events or sets of events described in the true private revelations at Garabandal). Yet the messages of Garabandal clearly say that the Chastisement, a series of afflictions for the world, do not occur at the time of the Warning, but not until some length of time after the Miracle (the second event predicted at Garabandal). Thus, these messages both borrow from the messages of Garabandal, by talking about the Warning, and they distort those messages, by claiming that various afflictions occur before and during the time of the Warning.

This type of natural disaster prediction generally tends to be vague, devoid of specifics about place and time; but when they do mention a place or a time, it is a place where such things regularly occur.


September 9, 2004
“My dearest one, I am your God and Father. I bring great strength today, as you have requested. Daughter, the great storms are about to flatten much of the state of Florida. For years My Church there has taken a liberal and promiscuous turn. My priest sons, and those who think of themselves as holy, have hurled blasphemy and ridicule in My Face. They show their disbelief in My Commandments by their callous and unclean behavior. It is this continuous attraction to self-gratification that brings My wrath upon this state filled with the most beautiful of My Creation.”


This message was given only after two major hurricanes had struck the State of Florida that same year. This is a common pattern in false private revelation. Only after a major natural disaster do they present messages saying that the same type of natural disaster will occur again. And, of course, a prediction that hurricanes will strike the State of Florida is not a supernatural revelation, but a statement of common knowledge. Yet they present such messages as if they were a revelation from God. Notice how uninformative false private revelation is.

Notice also, in the above message, that God is presented as insulted, frustrated, angry, and fed up with human sinfulness. This message also presents God as if He were complaining about His own Church. This is not the way that God, in His infinite Mercy and Love, speaks to His people in true private revelation. But it is a common characteristic of false private revelation.


6/28/99
Mary: “Dearest daughter, please write my words for the world, and especially those who wait to entrap Our messengers of important information from Heaven regarding hidden plans to destroy the world, the Church and all the people everywhere who believe in God and love Him. Today is another one of sunshine and heat in your area. The world looks peaceful when one is living the quiet days of summer, unaware of the plans of evil men that seek to control the many innocent and helpless people of the earth. Difficult and destructive weather will continue in many areas, bringing extremes of drought or flooding. Fires are about to break out in the parched areas that will bring record devastation to this country. The ability of your government to control weather has brought emergency conditions to a new level of experience. This is by design, and will leave more suffering from effects of heat. Deaths will increase during this blistering summer, as will the number of people displaced from flimsy shelters and put on the streets. The more dependant on the government this category of Our dear people becomes, the more dangerous will be their future, as they become targets of gangs who are equipped by your One World leaders.”


Does this sound like the words of the Virgin Mary to you? The message contains the usual vague predictions of bad weather and natural disasters found in false private revelation. Do you really think that the Blessed Virgin Mary would give a supernatural message from Heaven to say that the weather will be difficult in many areas? True private revelation is not so vague and uninformative. Concerning the predictions of fires, it is common knowledge that there are wildfires in the U.S. every year. The message also predicts hot weather in the summer; again, this is not a revelation.

Notice also that this message contains a kind of conspiracy theory, encouraging unreasonable fears about absurd and unsupportable claims. First, there is the bizarre claim about the government controlling the weather. Then there is a common conspiracy theory found in false private revelation, that of a 'one world people' conspiring behind the scenes to take over the world. True private revelation does not contain this kind of suggestion of hidden conspiracies.


1/4/01
Jesus: “I have named this bitter cold of the days ahead as the beginning of your first tribulation. I tell you, there will be many more wildfires, airplane disasters, weather anomalies, disasters of unbidden storms never seen at this time of year. There will be entire areas in different parts of the world that will be totally removed from the earth by one or more of these hostile conditions. When I speak of tribulation, My precious ones, I do not simply mean a very cold winter or fierce storms of the kind you have yet to see, or even that your ancestors and relatives used to talk about, but the kind that destroy enormous numbers of people and large portions of the earth.”


There are very many such vague predictions of bad weather and natural disasters in these messages. This one additional message should be sufficient as an example. Notice that the tribulation, described in the Book of Revelation with symbolic language indicating very severe events, is said in this message to begin merely with bitter cold weather. And this was said in January of 2001. Now, as I write this in September of 2006, the tribulation clearly has not begun. Therefore, this message contains a false claim about the tribulation.

It also claims, again in contradiction to the Book of Revelation, that the events of the tribulation consist of wildfires, airplane disasters, weather anomalies, and storms occurring at unusual times of the year. At this point in the message, the ideas presented are laughable, but then it goes even further. The message claims that these fairly mild events will cause entire areas of the world to be 'totally removed from the earth by one or more of these hostile conditions.' And the explanation for this apparent contradiction is that the cold winter and the storms will be very severe, so as to 'destroy enormous numbers of people and large portions of the earth.' This set of events supposedly began in January of 2001, and yet no such destruction of large portions of the earth has occurred.

The above message predicts great destruction in the future. Well, it is common knowledge among Christians that there will eventually be a tribulation, which includes severe afflictions for the world. But the author of this message clearly has no idea when this will happen, or what type of afflictions it will include. Therefore, such messages do not come from Jesus or Mary or Heaven at all.


2. The claim that the Antichrist is in the world today

The most common claim made by false private revelations in the world today is that the Antichrist is in the world today. See my article explaining, according to Scripture and the writings of Saints, why this cannot be true: [link to www.catholicplanet.com]

The claim that the Antichrist is in the world is often accompanied by other related claims, such as that he will be associated with an evil antipope, and that Jesus will soon return, during this present generation, to destroy the Antichrist. Now the Church does teach that eventually there will be an Antichrist, and that eventually Jesus Christ will return. But these events are of the distant future, not of the present day as these messages claim.


March 26, 1999
Jesus: “I no longer call you slaves when you respond generously to My Father's commandments, but there are many (aggressive countries and agents of the Antichrist) who have every plan in place that will result in the enslavement of the strong and annihilation of the weak.... You will wish you had answered the call of My Mother when you see the condition of your souls, when you see the greed and power of the Antichrist conquer nearly the entire world!”

April 4, 1999
Mary: “Your prayers and praise and adoration are needed more than ever, now that initial steps have been taken in the plans of the Antichrist and his followers. I know, my darling faithful ones, how difficult it is to receive these words. We only attempt to prepare you for the fact that these terrible plans of the Evil One are about to begin on a level of destruction NEVER seen by any human before!”


Notice that messages about the Antichrist tend toward fear-mongering, and they also have some of the characteristics of a conspiracy theory, i.e. that the Antichrist is conspiring behind the scenes to ready some hidden yet terrible plan. True private revelation does not speak in this manner.


5-5-00
Jesus: “There will be some places continuing to receive these gifts, while others remain centers of prayer, but seeing an end of messages almost immediately. This is my Will for you now; but also a sign to you that My Plan escalates and moves forward, as the Antichrist also moves his plans forward in his attempt to annihilate a great portion of the earth and so many of its inhabitants.”

1/4/01
Jesus: “In the past, My beloved ones, I have told you that each of you was chosen to live at this time and, before you were born, given particular gifts in order to serve the people My Father would send to you after certain events of destruction and the Great Gift of His Warning to you, that the opportunity to be Our faithful remnant during these End Times was offered to all, but few accepted and even fewer will persevere in the face of possible martyrdom at the hands of the Antichrist.”

1/4/01
“You know in your hearts that a nuclear war is being prepared by the followers of Satan through the Antichrist. And make no mistake, My people, the threat of a nuclear attack has been agreed to by all the superpowers even to the agreement of which nation receives a first strike.”


Does this sound to you like the Jesus of the Gospels? No, it does not. Nor is this the way that Jesus and Mary speak in true private revelation. Notice that, again, the false claim that the Warning will occur during a time of great destruction; this contradicts the messages at Garabandal, which first revealed the Warning, and which say that the Chastisement will occur some length of time after both the Warning and the subsequent Miracle have occurred.

Notice also the conspiracy theory which makes the absurd claim that 'the superpowers' have already conspired and agreed as to which nation will be struck first. Now the threat of nuclear war has been with the world for many years now, but none of the true private revelations make this association between the dangers of a world that has nuclear weapons and the supposed presence in the world of the Antichrist.


3. False claim that Jesus will return for this present generation

Since Scripture says that the Antichrist will be destroyed by the return of Jesus Christ (2 Thess 2:Cool, the false idea that the Antichrist has already arrived is often associated with the idea that Jesus will return very soon, such that many persons alive today would see His return. But this cannot be the case, for Scripture and the Saints have predicted many generations of events between now and then.


February 8, 1999
Jesus: “Go in peace, knowing that you are My Chosen Remnant who will remain faithful, many of whom will see Me coming on the clouds with My Angels to defeat the Anti-Christ, to defeat Satan and all his cohorts and followers. You will fight with Me, My dear ones.”

February 6, 1999
Mary: “Dear people of the world. Rejoice! It is the 'time of your life,' this preparation for My Jesus' return to Earth. It is the fulfillment of all the reasons you were born at this time, brought to this moment in history through all the experiences of your life, your training from the earliest days”


None of the true private revelations claim that Jesus is about to return, so that people alive today would live to see His return. But it is a common claim among the false private revelations.


4. Conspiracy Theories and Fear-mongering

Many of the messages already cited above contain elements of conspiracy theories and fear-mongering. They claim that all kinds of evil plans are being readied, completely unknown to the world except for in these messages. And the plans and events that are being prepared are supposedly very grave. Yet no details are given as to where and when these claimed events will occur. The effect is to leave those who listen to these messages in fear and uncertainty. True private revelation does not contain conspiracy theories and does not inspire fear and uncertainty.


February 21, 1999
Jesus: “Each country plays its role in the events that ultimately set up the reign of the Anti-Christ (and the fulfillment of scripture, for these End Times), that will allow the One-World Order to take over the ENTIRE world! Each smaller nation will be a puppet in the hands of those who have the first and last say. Your own country will be devastated by the plans of your leaders to allow foreign governments to take control and further subdue any retaliation on the part of loyal Americans. This is NOT about patriotism. This is about TREASON, at the highest level, of CRIMINAL activity. The One-World people are CRIMINALS, first and foremost, without consciences or an understanding of right and wrong.”

2/28/00
Jesus: “I speak as One Who continues to offer from My Divinity information about all that is about to break upon the world, and with requests and directives for you to follow in order to be saved from the plans of the One World Government agenda bloated by greed for power, and amassed wealth.”

August 9, 2001
Jesus: “The Masonic interference and presence in My Church must not become a matter of public knowledge too soon in the One World Plans! A domino effect will be present in the breakup and break down of all the moral and physical structures (you will see begin to collapse) in the coming weeks and months. As wars develop, social structures are weakened by the separation within families and the weakening that occurs from terrorist attacks and spreading fear.”

June 2, 2001
Jesus: “Events have exploded in the world today. These are signs to the one worlders to begin rash behavior in their countries, to escalate Satan's plans to leave several countries without leaders and vulnerable to neighboring territories. Believe the seriousness of these developments, little one. They have set the world stage for new and unbelievable events from now on. The world will seem to have gone mad, and hysteria will reign on several fronts. Your own President will be challenged again by the Chinese whose power is far greater than even the U.S. realizes.”


Concerning the 'one world people,' this idea is often found in false private revelation. The claim is that the Antichrist has a group of people working secretly behind the scenes with him (again, in a conspiracy theory) who all want the world to be united as one people under the Antichrist. This contradicts not only faith, Scripture, and the writings of the Saints about the future of the Church, but also reason and common sense. For better or for worse, the world today is very divided. No nation or group of nations presently has anywhere near to the influence or power, over society and government, to unite the world. Nor is there some secret group of people in the world trying to do so. And the Antichrist is not in the world today; his time is in the distant future.


1/4/01
Jesus: “Listen not to those who say, 'God wouldn't talk in this way or try to frighten us with threats of war.' ... Stop your own critical airs and clever, harsh words and sorry judgmentalism against My messengers who have agreed to suffer for your resistance and rejection of My words, of Me. This will be one of the last times such strong words are used by Heaven to shake you from your complacent and lofty slumber and disinterest. Do not listen to the voices of the evil one and those who scoff at these renewed warnings for large-scale disasters and cold that freezes and kills.”


So, not only will there be 'large-scale' disasters, but it will also be cold outside, or so they say. And I say that you should listen to those who say that God would not talk in the way, or that He would not engage in fear-mongering and conspiracy theories. Faith and reason are not enemies, they are brothers. Messages that are clearly contrary to both faith and reason cannot be from God or from Heaven.


5. False Claims about the Pope and the Antichrist

Now we come to another false claim often associated with the claim that the Antichrist is in the world today. There is an idea in many false private revelations that a pope or antipope will be closely associated with the Antichrist. Some false private revelations claim that the Antichrist will be the pope, others claim that an evil antipope will take control of the Church in order to assist the Antichrist.

Now there have been many antipopes (persons who falsely or incorrectly claimed to be the Pope), but they were not all evil. Saint Hippolytus of Rome is a Saint and a martyr, and he was once an antipope (but he repented of his false claim to be the Pope). So not every antipope is evil. Also, there are several false claimants to the papacy (antipopes) in the world today, but none of them have control over the worldwide Roman Catholic Church, nor do any of them have much power or influence at all. So antipopes are not necessarily evil, and they generally do not have much power or influence.

Consider these three messages:


6/28/99
Mary: “What will you do, My people of the Immaculate Heart, when messages cease to be given by Heaven? ... Will you follow the new Pope who will be elected, as our beloved John Paul goes into hiding from the enemies everywhere who plot and scheme to take his life? What will you do when you need to spend long months in hiding from the Antichrist and his agents? Will you give in to their offer of the microchip in order to have an 'easier life?' ”

2/28/00
Jesus: “You, My children, will see the victory, (already won), being fought, being realized as Satan is actually defeated and chained in Hell with his demons; as the Antichrist and his accomplice, the Antipope and all their followers, are thrown into Hell following the annihilation of much of the earth and its inhabitants.”

August 9, 2001
John Paul II is on the brink of major announcements to the Catholic world that will finalize secret plans of so many dissidents in the ranks of the hierarchy. Remember, please, although you will see shocking activity and hear disobedient and shocking words from many, who should be supporting him, (Pope) you will recognize these developments as steps in the Father's Plan to allow Satan's Plan to again escalate and fulfill all of Scripture until My Return.


So these messages claim that the Antichrist is in the world today, and they say that the Antichrist will have an accomplice who is an Antipope, and the first message above clearly implies that the Pope after John Paul II will be this Antipope. The claim that the Pope after John Paul II would be evil or an antipope or the Antichrist is a false claim found among several different false private revelations.

Notice also that the prediction that Pope John Paul II would make a major announcement that would finalize secret plans of dissidents did not happen. He made no such announcement; he was a very popular Pope and now, after his death, he remains one of the most popular Popes in history, with much support among the faithful and the clergy at every level. These messages imply things that are not true and they predict events that did not happen. Such is not the way with true private revelation.

In the first of these three quoted messages, the claim is made that the Antichrist will use some kind of microchip to gain control of people.


8/3/00
The Father: “More and more you will see freedoms removed as the Antichrist displays his power through new laws and restrictions and requirements. All of you will know and recognize immediately what has occurred, as changes are enacted, and freedom of travel and movement is surrounded by certain restrictions which render you unable to comply with new circumstances that require special passes or cards, and finally the implantation of a chip in each person in the world who desires to continue life in the 'world.' My faithful ones, you have been repeatedly warned of the need to prepare for a time of danger and great change in your lives. THAT TIME IS HERE.”


In this message also, the claim is made that the Antichrist will implant a computer chip in people to control them. This claim is also found in several other false private revelations. This claim is contrary to reason. There are over 6.5 billion people in the world today, divided into very many nations and groups. No one person or group has the ability to control them all. And the idea of the Antichrist using a computer chip to control people is not found in any of the true private revelations.


6. False Predictions of Future Events


February 12, 1999
Mary: “Yes, Our people must pray for each other and for this country. A sad day is it that now sets the plan of the Anti-Christ in greater motion, free now to do and act, and be the vehicle for destruction and enslavement. This leader of your country leads all who will allow him into the darkest times in all of history. He has publicly received pardon for criminal activity EVERYONE KNOWS HE COMMITTED!”


This message refers to President Clinton as 'this leader of your country' and claims that he is leading everyone into 'the darkest times in history.' Yet his eight-year presidency is long over, and it was clearly not the darkest of times in history. Also, the claim that he was publicly pardoned is not correct; he was impeached and not convicted, but this does not constitute a pardon.


February 21, 1999
Jesus: “Only the love of Jesus in the hearts of the few Faithful Remnant will ultimately defeat the might that Satan has been allowed by the Father in order to accomplish the ultimate renewal of the world,--after My Jesus, your Savior and your King, returns to the Earth. You will be more convinced of this truth as you see and experience the growth of evil in the world, and the apparent success of the Anti-Christ and his followers.... Martial law, My dear ones, is only a matter of months away from being accomplished in this land of opportunity!”


In February of 1999, this message claimed that martial law in 'this land of opportunity,' i.e. the United States, was 'only a matter of months away from being accomplished.' Now the number of months completed between then and now (as I write this in early September of 2006) is just over 90 months. We are not now, nor have we been under martial law. Therefore, this message contains a false prediction, and so it cannot be a message from Jesus the Son of God.

Notice that here again a message claims that the Antichrist is in the world and that Jesus will return for this generation. Many other false private revelations make the same claim; none of the true ones make such a claim.


7. False claims about the Warning

Already, in several of the above messages, I have pointed out false claims made in these messages about the Warning. The main false claim is that there will be severe disasters, apparently those of the tribulation, before and after the Warning. But this contradicts the messages of Garabandal, which is where the very term 'the Warning' comes from; those messages of Garabandal say that the Warning is followed about a year later by the Miracle, and then, sometime after the Miracle, the Chastisement begins. Here are some additional messages that say much the same thing:


1/4/01
Remember too that, although many wait in prayerful hope for the coming of the Illumination of all to the state of their souls as your God sees them, you are to remember that great destruction will usher in this Warning from My Father and many, many people will be taken into Eternity by an act of His mercy, as He also allows the plans of Satan to escalate to this degree, that His Own plans might begin (in this Age) to bring salvation to all who will accept it.

June 2, 2001
Then all will begin with sudden and acute destruction that will set up the period of time that includes the Warning, the caring for huge numbers of people and the brief Golden Age of Our Spirit resulting from unimagined conversions and return to My Father.


Notice how vague these messages are, not saying when the Warning will occur, or what the destruction will be, or when this destruction will occur. Such is the way with false private revelation.


July 28, 1999
The Holy Spirit: “Listen closely to all that is presented to you in order that you might further prepare yourselves for the great act of Mercy in the Warning of the Father, and the Second Coming of the Son.”


Here is another error in the teachings of these messages about the Warning. They claim that the Second Coming of Jesus will occur soon after the Warning. This cannot be the case for a number of reasons. First, the Antichrist is not in the world and will not arrive for hundreds of years. And second, the Return of Jesus only occurs after the Antichrist's reign. And third, the messages of Garabandal, a true private revelation and the first of the private revelations to reveal the Warning, say no such thing; they don't mention the Antichrist or the Return of Jesus Christ at all.


July 12, 2000
The Father: “Already new storms have devastated areas where sin and rejection of My Laws are rampant. Already, the Angels stand at the four corners of the world to begin pouring out woes upon the world: famine, disease, pestilence, drought and storms that will further scourge the countries that are most hardened against Me. These are further signs that fulfill My prophecies and set up the appearance of the Antichrist just after the Warning.”


Here is a different version of the above mentioned error, which claims that the events of the tribulation (alluded to by the phrase 'the Angels stand at the four corners of the world') begin before the Warning. The message makes the false claim that all these disasters are signs that will precede the Warning, which is much the opposite of what was taught at Garabandal. Also, the message again claims the Antichrist is in the world.


June 9, 1999
Jesus: “Oh My dear ones, how I love you, and will welcome you back instantly into My Heart and Mercy, My Grace and Forgiveness, even though you have continued to reject all of Our attempts to purify you now, and prepare you for this gift of Mercy of the Father's Warning and ultimately for My return to defeat Satan and all his followers ... the worst and most evil on earth who is the Antichrist.”


Again, a message makes the false claim that the Warning will be associated with the rise to power of the Antichrist and the Return of Jesus Christ.


May 30, 1999
Jesus: “Praise and thank Him for showing you Truth in the Great Warning that is nearly upon you.”


In May of 1999, this message claimed that the Warning 'is nearly upon you.' Yet here we are seven years later and no Warning has occurred. I have the impression from reading so many of these messages about the future, that the author of these messages just has no idea at all what is going to happen in the future or when it will happen. Yes, there will be a Warning, but that idea has been expropriated from the messages of Garabandal. These messages to Carol Ameche add no knowledge or wisdom of their own.


December 25, 1999
Jesus: “Those who refuse to listen, refuse to see and acknowledge the presence of this evil in the ways of the world, will be doomed forever by it unless they accept the grace and opportunity given shortly by the Gift of My Father's Warning! Those who continue to accept the deception and empty promises of Satan will lose these graces ultimately and belong to those followers of the Antichrist who will also be defeated (with him) by Me, and driven into Hell.”


This is not the way that the Jesus of the Gospels talks. He does not say that you 'will be doomed forever' unless you respond correctly to one event or situation, in this case the Warning. Also, I think that even in the distant future, when the Antichrist does arrive, that even his followers always have the opportunity to repent and to be forgiven and to go to Heaven. These messages present, by contrast, words of despair and hopelessness. Christ does not speak in this way.


8. Worldly un-Christ-like language

Here are some further messages which show a manner of speaking that is unlike Jesus Christ in the Gospels and in true private revelations.


February 28, 2000
Jesus: “Think of a Giant Toad, My dear ones, who is blown up with itself tenfold!”

February 1, 1999
Jesus: “Do you think one who dances with a ballet troupe is able to perform without hours and years of practice daily? ... The position of 'prima dancer' is open in most cities! Would you care to 'try out' for this? Are you prepared to lead the rest? Are you familiar with every step delivered with the greatest ease and grace?”

May 27, 1999
Jesus: “MAKE WATER A PRIORITY, MY PEOPLE, and do without some frivolous beverage and even harmful excesses in order to purchase more.... Organize your bedding and clothing, My dear ones....”


Instead of commenting further, I will simply ask you: Does the Jesus that you know speak in this manner?


9. False Claim of Places of Refuge during the Tribulation

Lastly, let me point out a false idea found in many claimed private revelations. This idea is similar to the Protestant idea of a rapture, an event which takes the best Christians out of the world and up to Heaven before the tribulation; the Protestant idea of a rapture is contrary to Catholic teaching. The similar idea, found in a number of false private revelations, is that the best Catholics will be led by God or by Angels to special places of hiding and protection during the tribulation, so that they do not have to suffer. This claim is merely a modified version of the Protestant rapture; instead of going up to Heaven in order to avoid suffering, the claim is made that some people will be miraculously hidden by God in various places on earth.


January 25, 2000
Jesus: “I have told you your mission includes visits to Our faithful ones until I return. This renewal and encouragement will be so necessary as all of you are hidden from the Antichrist's followers in a special place and miraculous way during long months and years of waiting (!)”


This claim is contrary to the teaching of the Book of Revelation about the tribulation, which clearly says that even the Saints will suffer much during that time. It is also a claim often found in false private revelation, and never found in true private revelation.


Conclusion

The message of Carol Ameche have the usual characteristics of false private revelation, including the claim that the Antichrist is in the world today, the claim that Jesus will return for this generation, vague predictions of natural disasters and bad weather, and the other features mentioned above. There are very many other such messages. These should be sufficient to show that the claimed private revelations to Carol Ameche are false and are not true private revelations from Heaven.


by Ronald L. Conte Jr.
September 4, 2006
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021626


Ronald Conte Jr condemns most of the messengers! Like
he would know, makes you laugh but for the spiritual damage
he causes by his judgment.

Arrogant is this guy, he has a closed forum on his website
if you believe as he does come on in...but otherwise get
lost.

Ronald Conte, Jr. has given a date for the Great Warning.
One date passed by so he has posted a new one. God doesn't give dates.
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Yeah, no kidding - how does Ronald get to set false dates and not explain himself, then discredit other seers. I have not come across any of Carol's prophecies that have been this specific.
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Indianapolis wasn't stated, "for the center of this country"...were the words given.



Message to Carol Ameche July 2, 2010


7-2-10, At Adoration,


"Dear little weary one, be alert to My requests for prayer all weekend. Be available to spend time pleading for mercy from My Father Who is slowly releasing His hold on His plans for the center of this country. Do not think about the numbers who will enter eternity. Beg Our Spirit to gift them with clear understanding and repentance. The time has passed for making deals with a 'self' drenched with its own excuses and lack of taking responsibility for careless behavior. It is so near to this time for terrible destruction of the land filled with families who do not pray of honor their God and beg forgiveness. Cruel words and snide remarks, arrogant attitudes and ridicule rule the days of so many. You are correct that My faithful cannot stand much time in waiting for these prophesied events. The fear for the lives of loved ones and a lack of full knowledge of time, date and place is a direct experience of the helplessness and already near hopelessness that will be present.


I Am your Savior and Kind, My people. I Am your Jesus of Mercy. Embrace Me, and trust in My promises of protection for you. You already know that many terrified and exhausted victims will be led to your doorstep and your waiting arms. It is time to write out a schedule that will process people into your homes; that will allow you to comfort and feed and tend to the wounded and sorrowing people in actual shock. They will need a quiet atmosphere and simple food and water. If necessary, try to make your way to churches or large holding places. There will be no electricity, but those at your door, who come in, will not need serious medical attention; but cleaning up, food and beds or mats and covers and pillows or towel rolls for their heads. This will take enormous patience and bravery, and some immediate order and assurance that they will be cared for, and all will be well.


One step at a time, My faithful ones. Our Holy Spirit will guide and give you words. Emergency help will come from many places outside the destroyed areas of land. Much more preparation is in place within each of you because of the prayers you are saying. Believe your prayers for them will be as helpful as if you were right there offering your assistance. I am giving all of you new courage and the ability to pray long hours from this moment for the souls going into eternity and those who live, but are left in a fragile and frightened condition. Be at peace, My dear ones. You will shortly experience all We have prepared you for these many years. Give praise and gratitude to the Father, that He has allowed you to serve and pray in challenging situations. Remember, there will be nothing you are unable to do for these many suffering ones. Be at peace. I see your hearts filled with love and an eagerness to serve. I tell you, you can do all of this. Amen"


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I think Carol will be proven right.
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No. Do NOT pray for souls taken into eternity. By that time, it is TOO LATE. Once you die, two things will happen. One: you will know where you are. Two: Your location will be permanent.

Pray for souls BEFORE they die, for people who do not know the power of Jesus to save them from their sins. Until the moment they die, prayer is powerful and effective. After that, it is eternally settled. Hell or heaven. If they are in heaven, they do not need your prayers. If they are in hell, they are there because of the divine justice of God, and you cannot get them out nor pray them into any sort of comfort.
"From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
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I think Carol will be proven right.

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I don't think so. Many of her visions have been wrong.

[link to www.catholicplanet.com]

Even in her own parish (which I was part of for 3 years) not much is made of her nor her visions.

Here is the parish website, nary a mention. [link to www.smgaz.org]
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Does anybody know about Jennifer from worksfromJesus.com? I am waiting for some confirmation from her messages. I have been following her messages closely for 7 years now. She has not posted anything since the beginning of June. Also, Mark Mallet is very good. He mentioned in a webcast that he know a couple from California who receive words in prayer that they were told the hour is upon us.
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I think Carol will be proven right.



I don't think so. Many of her visions have been wrong.

[link to www.catholicplanet.com]

Even in her own parish
(which I was part of for 3 years) not much is made of her nor her visions.

Here is the parish website, nary a mention.
[link to www.smgaz.org]
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes


Smilin' Irish,

Why would you as a Catholic post this link? Conte rejects
most of the Catholic Seers.

Conte's new date for the Great Warning:

April 22, 2011

"I have now revised my dates for these events a few times. My earlier predicted dates for these events were wrong. I present these dates to the reader as my current understanding, as a speculation, not a certainty."

How does Ron judge with certainty who is a true prophet?

A Parish website posts upcoming events
and the Mass times. They wouldn't have anything
about a Catholic visionary

Recall Scripture, Our Lord at the synagogue in His hometown...so His parish at the time.


24 And he said: Amen I say to you, that no prophet is accepted in his own country....
28 And all they in the synagogue, hearing these things, were filled with anger. 29 And they rose up and thrust him out of the city; and they brought him to the brow of the hill, whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong. 30 But he passing through the midst of them, went his way.
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Smilin' Irish,

Why would you as a Catholic post this link? Conte rejects
most of the Catholic Seers.

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You could say I have lost my blind faith in Catholicism. I had mostly attended church out of habit as most parishes only have homilies about how much money is needed with about a minute spent on interpreting the Gospel. I did get comfort from going to Mass as it is familiar and soothing in someways; I just didn't feel like all the dogma instilled by the Church was truly God's way.

I truly lost faith when Ratzinger was voted in, he truly gives me the creeps.

As far as most of the Catholic visionaries/Marian apparitions, most of the messages sound way too domineering and controlling, not very loving. It sounds as though some of the visionaries take the faith way too seriously and are projecting their instilled teachings into Marian visions.

Bernadette (at Lourdes), Lucia, Jacinta and Francisco (Fatima) had miracles that occurred to confirm a Marian visitation. Padre Pio received the stigmata.

What have these modern day visionaries received?

Their messages are chock full of Catholic beliefs/teachings, nary contradicting Church doctrine, nary a word about how corrupt the Catholic Church is.

I now follow more of Deist approach in my faith; no longer want the domineering, controlling, psychological mind game that is the Catholic faith.
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Why would you as a Catholic post this link? Conte rejects
most of the Catholic Seers.

+ + +

You could say I have lost my blind faith in Catholicism. I had mostly attended church out of habit as most parishes only have homilies about how much money is needed with about a minute spent on interpreting the Gospel. I did get comfort from going to Mass as it is familiar and soothing in someways; I just didn't feel like all the dogma instilled by the Church was truly God's way.

I truly lost faith when Ratzinger was voted in, he truly gives me the creeps.

As far as most of the Catholic visionaries/Marian apparitions, most of the messages sound way too domineering and controlling, not very loving. It sounds as though some of the visionaries take the faith way too seriously and are projecting their instilled teachings into Marian visions.

Bernadette (at Lourdes), Lucia, Jacinta and Francisco (Fatima) had miracles that occurred to confirm a Marian visitation. Padre Pio received the stigmata.

What have these modern day visionaries received?

Their messages are chock full of Catholic beliefs/teachings, nary contradicting Church doctrine, nary a word about how corrupt the Catholic Church is.

I now follow more of Deist approach in my faith; no longer want the domineering, controlling, psychological mind game that is the Catholic faith.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes



A thoughtful answer to my question, thanks. From my heart, I say come back to the Church, don't wait too long.

I can share again, I was a sometime Catholic. I returned to the faith or really found it for the first time in my life because of a Marian apparition.

About Pope Benedict XVI, two questions especially, he must have the answers. They would apply to his predecessors also. The 3rd Secret of Fatima mystery, I don't think it has been revealed like the Vatican said in 2000. Nor has the Consecration of Russia been done correctly. Pope Benedict, God Bless him for bringing back the Traditional Latin Mass but why do we not see him celebrate it in public?

Miracles, signs of God we see are the most prevalent in the RCC. The Eucharist, Confession and the holy Mass, are the greatest means to God's grace. I will never leave. Catholics who have left, to return, they only need to make a good Confession if they don't have marriage issues to correct.

One other good Pope Benedict did, he played a part in the approval of the message of Akita.

~ ~ ~


On the evening of July 5, 1956, as she started praying, Sr. Agnes suddenly felt a cross-shaped wound in her left palm, 2 centimeters wide by 3 centimeters long. It apparently looked like a scratch, but in reality she felt a deep stabbing pain, like a needle, preventing her from sleeping at night. At 3 o'clock in the morning, she suddenly heard a voice (her guardian angel) say to her:

"Don't be afraid! Do not pray only for your own sins, but in reparation for those of all mankind. Today's world hurts the Most Sacred Heart of Our Lord by its ingratitude and insults. Mary's wound is much deeper than yours. Now, let's go to the chapel together."

Bishop Shojiro Ito eventually obtained from Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the formal authorization to proclaim the authenticity of the Akita events and messages, before he retired due to his advanced age. His conclusion, on April 22, 1984 (Easter):

"These facts, established after 11 years of investigations, are undeniable (...). Consequently, I authorize the veneration of Our Lady of Akita."

Sister Agnes, the seer, was cured of her deafness in 2 stages (October 13, 1974, and May 30, 1982), but has now been paralyzed since August of 1981. She lives in a profound interior peace.


AKITA: Third and the Last message on October 13, 1973:


". . . if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by my Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests."

"The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests). Churches and altars will be sacked. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord."

"The demon will be especially implacable against the souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them."

". . . Pray very much the prayers of the Rosary. I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved."





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