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Project_USA Offer Upgrade User ID: 1023298 United States 07/02/2010 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	As faithful as blind. The ones having faith are the blind ones trying to lead the way. Quick definitions of «to believe» and «faith». To believe is accepting an idea, a theory, a story, a statement... as true WITHOUT (sufficient) PROOF. Faith is an absolute belief. It’s the same concept but applied to (the texts/books supposedly transmitted through MEN by) a Supreme Being... Just having said that I’m still chocked to see that one can base is WHOLE LIFE on a concept like this! I still don’t understand how can a sane person, KNOWINGLY, by a (proud?!) choice, make the decision to say, without laughing: «Yes, my thoughts/«reasoning»/behavior/life is based on ideas/concepts totally irrational/un-provable… And that’s the best way to go!» Ok, in fact, and even if they don’t realize it, they try to make sense of it all, they try to apply logic to their reasoning, to prove that the existence and the words of (THEIR) God are true… But it’s bound to fail!!! Because the concept they base their life upon suppose the opposite of that. It DOESN’T ALLOW critical, logical thinking… They even have a word/concept for that: «blasphemy». Many were burned alive for that… So, what they do is JUSTIFY, try to DEMONSTRATE the «truth» of their beliefs, of the Bibles STATEMENTS. But in NO WAY they can prove anything because they would have to be rational/logical for that. You CANNOT PROVE a concept (faith) which is BY DEFINITION and by their own confession (pun intended) ILLOGICAL! When will that get in the head of everyone?? For good! Everyone can see it… But them. And if you try to show them their errors, they will consider you as a Satan’s follower… Seriously! 21st Century, isn’t it? Do you understand why we need to evolve? I really would like you to be at least open-minded about ALL the many problems I raised in precedent threads (Definitive Proof: God doesn’t exist Part 1&2 > Thread: Definite Proof: God DOESN’T EXIST! Part1 For you to realize that, contrarily of what faithers believe, the «Holy» books are really not perfectly sound nor of a beyond-human level. Even to think that, for you, they are beautiful and seemingly ageless is quite difficult for me to understand. And for anyone not blinded by faith, the Bible and all the other «Holy» books are full of paradoxes, incoherencies. I think I succeeded in showing some. The problem being always the same: FAITH. Muslims will see some (incoherencies, paradoxes, mistakes), Jews others, Buddhists more… They will all see problems in the faith of others but NEVER in their own! Not surprising… But I hope YOU can see that by NOW. Only this should at least make a faither raise an eyebrow… But No… They sincerely are clueless on how can other religions don’t see their mistakes but they imagine their own as «clearly superior». Baffling… I help you again: Well, IT’S BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAITH OF COURSE!!! Any logical argument you’ll try to present them will be refuted, or simply politely (or not) dismissed. ALL faiths are «wrong» by definition! Because none have THE Truth… But they ALL believe they do! And as soon as they have power, they try to force it on you. Each religion believes that it’s the true one. DON’T YOU GET IT??? That’s what is Faith… The death of any inquisitive, critical mind. The OPPOSITE of what TRUE REASONNING is. That’s why faith, any faith is simultaneously bad and good for wannabe masters. Bad because, ultimately, they want a faith that they completely engineered, totally devoted to their (evil) «gods» or to concepts so diffuse that can be used indifferently for helping or enslaving people. But good because as long as people believe they know THE truth, well… They’ll never get even close to it… They stopped looking for it, as they already (believe they) have it. They won’t even bother considering an alternate way to live their life and understand it. (Plus, wannabe masters love concepts like «give the other cheekbone», non-violence and more generally «I accept everything because it’s God’s will/test stuff», submission/sheep behavior…). Anyway what’s truly important for them is that YOU respect the rules (not them), or to make rules that will profit them FAR MORE than you and that you stay clueless about what’s really going on. I also want to point out that, beyond their hypocrisy or their denials, many would like to be in their place to be as rich/powerful than they are. And I’m even almost sure that they would act pretty much the same (as careless and perversely) that they do… Dark times are upon us. And I don’t talk about Satan nor God’s wrath… Just us… upon ourselves… And I’m inclined to think, looking at the behavior/ideas/beliefs/CHOICES of people around me and across the world, that most of us deserve what our lives are about to become…

nanuke User ID: 1003108 United States 07/02/2010 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: As faithful as blind. i love you ~you are love ~the key...it's almost time. !poke the bulge! ~here is my hand...it can be closed like a fist...or open to hold...yet it is still my hand. ~Today is cancelled...due to lack of interest. ~Without order nothing exists. Without chaos nothing evolves. ac 618285: ~"without both order and chaos, the illusion would not be able to continue. one day in the far away future, order will submit to chaos and the entire illusion will vanish." -------------------------------- :nan1:
Project_USA (OP) User ID: 1023298 United States 07/02/2010 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: As faithful as blind. i love you Quoting: nanuke ???
AWhereness User ID: 908143 United States 07/02/2010 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: As faithful as blind. i love you ??? Quoting: Project_USA She's hitting every thread with that i love you bit. Indiscriminate love, how dreadful! When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained. Mark Twain

The Cross of Lorraine User ID: 852536 United States 07/02/2010 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: As faithful as blind. The ones having faith are the blind ones trying to lead the way. Quick definitions of «to believe» and «faith». To believe is accepting an idea, a theory, a story, a statement... as true WITHOUT (sufficient) PROOF. Faith is an absolute belief. It’s the same concept but applied to (the texts/books supposedly transmitted through MEN by) a Supreme Being... Just having said that I’m still chocked to see that one can base is WHOLE LIFE on a concept like this! I still don’t understand how can a sane person, KNOWINGLY, by a (proud?!) choice, make the decision to say, without laughing: «Yes, my thoughts/«reasoning»/behavior/life is based on ideas/concepts totally irrational/un-provable… And that’s the best way to go!» Ok, in fact, and even if they don’t realize it, they try to make sense of it all, they try to apply logic to their reasoning, to prove that the existence and the words of (THEIR) God are true… But it’s bound to fail!!! Because the concept they base their life upon suppose the opposite of that. It DOESN’T ALLOW critical, logical thinking… They even have a word/concept for that: «blasphemy». Many were burned alive for that… So, what they do is JUSTIFY, try to DEMONSTRATE the «truth» of their beliefs, of the Bibles STATEMENTS. But in NO WAY they can prove anything because they would have to be rational/logical for that. You CANNOT PROVE a concept (faith) which is BY DEFINITION and by their own confession (pun intended) ILLOGICAL! When will that get in the head of everyone?? For good! Everyone can see it… But them. And if you try to show them their errors, they will consider you as a Satan’s follower… Seriously! 21st Century, isn’t it? Do you understand why we need to evolve? I really would like you to be at least open-minded about ALL the many problems I raised in precedent threads (Definitive Proof: God doesn’t exist Part 1&2 > Thread: Definite Proof: God DOESN’T EXIST! Part1 For you to realize that, contrarily of what faithers believe, the «Holy» books are really not perfectly sound nor of a beyond-human level. Even to think that, for you, they are beautiful and seemingly ageless is quite difficult for me to understand. And for anyone not blinded by faith, the Bible and all the other «Holy» books are full of paradoxes, incoherencies. I think I succeeded in showing some. The problem being always the same: FAITH. Muslims will see some (incoherencies, paradoxes, mistakes), Jews others, Buddhists more… They will all see problems in the faith of others but NEVER in their own! Not surprising… But I hope YOU can see that by NOW. Only this should at least make a faither raise an eyebrow… But No… They sincerely are clueless on how can other religions don’t see their mistakes but they imagine their own as «clearly superior». Baffling… I help you again: Well, IT’S BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAITH OF COURSE!!! Any logical argument you’ll try to present them will be refuted, or simply politely (or not) dismissed. ALL faiths are «wrong» by definition! Because none have THE Truth… But they ALL believe they do! And as soon as they have power, they try to force it on you. Each religion believes that it’s the true one. DON’T YOU GET IT??? That’s what is Faith… The death of any inquisitive, critical mind. The OPPOSITE of what TRUE REASONNING is. That’s why faith, any faith is simultaneously bad and good for wannabe masters. Bad because, ultimately, they want a faith that they completely engineered, totally devoted to their (evil) «gods» or to concepts so diffuse that can be used indifferently for helping or enslaving people. But good because as long as people believe they know THE truth, well… They’ll never get even close to it… They stopped looking for it, as they already (believe they) have it. They won’t even bother considering an alternate way to live their life and understand it. (Plus, wannabe masters love concepts like «give the other cheekbone», non-violence and more generally «I accept everything because it’s God’s will/test stuff», submission/sheep behavior…). Anyway what’s truly important for them is that YOU respect the rules (not them), or to make rules that will profit them FAR MORE than you and that you stay clueless about what’s really going on. I also want to point out that, beyond their hypocrisy or their denials, many would like to be in their place to be as rich/powerful than they are. And I’m even almost sure that they would act pretty much the same (as careless and perversely) that they do… Dark times are upon us. And I don’t talk about Satan nor God’s wrath… Just us… upon ourselves… And I’m inclined to think, looking at the behavior/ideas/beliefs/CHOICES of people around me and across the world, that most of us deserve what our lives are about to become… Quoting: Project_USA I would just like to say that these are somewhat odd words coming from someone whose entire premise is based on his personal 'belief' that he knows the truth... after all, where is your proof? You seem somewhat 'proud' of your own superior knowledge, to me... Happily, it doesn't really affect me, one way or the other; I say, you tell your story, and I'll tell mine. That is, after all, our right. It would be a poor life, indeed, in which one might only hope in that which has been 'proved,' don't you think? Or don't you believe in 'hope,' either? "I take up MY cross, and follow no man..." A novus universitas,- vacuus vestri chaos. (A new world,- without your chaos.)
Anonymous Coward User ID: 996244 United States 07/03/2010 01:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: As faithful as blind. Stop trying to force your beliefs on everyone I dont understand why people like you gotta try to shove your beliefs down everones throat. The minute you get a bit of control you try to make everyone follow you and think that anyone who thinks differently is evil. Your beliefs are stupid. Mine are superior. believe me for I am right
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