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What hath 'the spirit of Vatican II' wrought?

 
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What hath 'the spirit of Vatican II' wrought?
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In the introduction to his book, Kenneth Jones begins by accurately explaining that when Pope John XXIII began his Second Vatican Council in 1962, the American Catholic Church "was in the midst of an unprecedented period of growth." He reports that "bishops were ordaining record numbers of priests and building scores of seminaries to handle the surge in vocations. Young women by the thousands gave up lives of comfort for the austerity of the convent. These nuns taught millions of students in the huge system of parochial and private schools. The ranks of Catholics swelled as parents brought in their babies for baptism and adult converts flocked to the Church. Lines outside the confessional were long, and by some estimates three quarters of the faithful went to Mass every Sunday."

There is an old American proverb that is still in constant use because it is both practical and profound. The saying is used to both preserve successes and avoid unnecessary failures on both a large and small scale. If only Pope John XXIII had chosen to reject those Modernist voices looking for a Conciliar opportunity to derail the efficient and on-time train of Roman Catholicism by simply reciting, with the Italian accent of a practical peasant: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

John XXIII was dubbed "Good" Pope John by his manipulators and Modernist "puppet masters" as if to distinguish him from his saintly, sophisticated and uncompromising predecessors who the Modernists must have considered "bad" because they saw their corrupting progressive agendas for what they were.

Poor Pope John! He appeared to have been selected by the Modernists in the conclave precisely because of his naïveté as a curial outsider and a non-theologian diplomat who could be easily manipulated and sold on the false promise of a new Council. If even the inside player, Paul VI, could be subsequently betrayed into tears by the Modernist plan to re-spin Lumen Gentium after the Council, leading him to compose the nota explicativa, Pope John was a pathetically easy mark. He was a pious man, so giving him the benefit of the doubt, he was probably unaware that he was being completely used by the Modernists to bring on a Council intended to stall-out a revving Traditional Church.

Pope John gave the ironic opening speech at the Council. There he chided those Catholics who saw no need for a Council when everything was going so well. He said: "We feel we must disagree with those prophets of gloom, who are always forecasting disaster, as though the end of the world were at hand." The Holy Ghost led Pope John to his election and, as a favor, must have blessed him with truthful, if gloomy, prophets to guide him regarding his Second Vatican Council. But just as Moses struck the rock twice, even God's chosen leader can fail to always use good judgment. Pope John gave the order that marched his Church into a complete disaster that, at least, was forecast by some.

Mr. Jones had gathered and presented in his book various American body counts resulting from the internal ecclesial war that tumbled out on to the streets as a result of Vatican II. If the goal of the enemy of the Church was to strategically diminish the Catholic Church as an effective organization in saving souls for eternity, the enemy must have been gloating since 1965 when the Council ended.
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I remember growing up around that time. The local Roman Catholic church was more or less the cool place to go.

And it was a rock of American orthodoxy. It was terribly important in the decline of our civilization into one with no beliefs, no structure. The Church used to be a center of intellectualism (see how in the late 1800's, the future Pope Benedict XV had to defend a research paper weekly and was judged and promoted by his performance [link to en.wikipedia.org] but perhaps it serves no righteous purpose any more. I think the current Pope Benedict XVI is trying to restore its intellectual traditions, but it's very hard; the church may simply have become irrelevant to the development of human thought.

To bring in a currently hot issue, I have not heard rumors of priests playing around with little children in the 1950's. But maybe it was hidden.
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Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.
And on that farm he had a cow, ee-i-ee-i-o.
With a moo moo here and a moo moo there
Here a moo, there a moo, everywhere a moo moo
Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.