FUN FUN..Feds sue to block Arizona illegal immigrant law.

You come on here to bash Americans thats it. You don't look for solutions because no where have you ever stated the the Mexicans have any compatibility in any of this mess.


Your country men are always the victims here. We are the bad guys, always.


You dont know me at all. I am for unity, a reaching out between peoples. The corrupt system in Mexico is on a precipice -- with real social tensions involving real people. As it comes tumbling down you will most probably get a crash course in the real internal affairs of this country. When that happens, you can speak to me with some real time knowledge as events unfold, not this artificial self centered superficial nonsense I always hear....

well, WE aRE happy, BUUTTT,,Its any body out there looking after WHITE LOOKING ILLEGAL,It seem now WHITE ILLEGAL WILL INFILTRATE OUR SOCIETY AND NO ONE IS LOOKING FOR THEMM< THE ARE ITALIAN ,ISRAELIS<GERMANS, BRITISH, EVEN CANADIAN,out there, RUSSIAN, RUMANIAN, ALL WWWHIIITE, HELP, CRACK DOWN WHITE PEOPLE SMUGLERS< HOW WE ARE GONNA KNOW A WHITE ILLEGAL, NEED A PROFILE, I'M AFRAID, AT LEAST THE BROWN we kNOW, BUT WHITE ILLEGAL AND IF THEY ARE SERIAL KILLERS, THEY ARE WHITE< PLEASE GOD HELP US...

well, WE aRE happy, BUUTTT,,Its any body out there looking after WHITE LOOKING ILLEGAL,It seem now WHITE ILLEGAL WILL INFILTRATE OUR SOCIETY AND NO ONE IS LOOKING FOR THEMM< THE ARE ITALIAN ,ISRAELIS<GERMANS, BRITISH, EVEN CANADIAN,out there, RUSSIAN, RUMANIAN, ALL WWWHIIITE, HELP, CRACK DOWN WHITE PEOPLE SMUGLERS< HOW WE ARE GONNA KNOW A WHITE ILLEGAL, NEED A PROFILE, I'M AFRAID, AT LEAST THE BROWN we kNOW, BUT WHITE ILLEGAL AND IF THEY ARE SERIAL KILLERS, THEY ARE WHITE< PLEASE GOD HELP US...



never mind,,, just never mind

Well I want to point out that now that Mexico is getting Beshat upon with the Corexit 9500 rain that we might
have to accept ALL the Mexicans into our country to save them.

Mexico could very well turn into a dead barren landscape in the next couple of years.

:(

My precious Gulf of Mexico. Destroyed.

It smells like DEATH.

You come on here to bash Americans thats it. You don't look for solutions because no where have you ever stated the the Mexicans have any compatibility in any of this mess.


Your country men are always the victims here. We are the bad guys, always.


You dont know me at all. I am for unity, a reaching out between peoples. The corrupt system in Mexico is on a precipice -- with real social tensions involving real people. As it comes tumbling down you will most probably get a crash course in the real internal affairs of this country. When that happens, you can speak to me with some real time knowledge as events unfold, not this artificial self centered superficial nonsense I always hear....


Really? What do you think is going on in the US?

There are some asshat people on here, I understand that, I see them too. But for the most part they are just angry.

But you have to understand we have enough problems of our own without taking on another countries. We are about to have 3,200 million more families without an income when our government doesn't extend unemployment. Our welfare system cant take care of the citizens here. Yet we are bashed for not taking care of all the refuges from other countries.

I live on the border, I see everyday the hardships these people face. But I can't help them all, none of us can.
They have to help themselves. If that makes me an ugly selfish american so be it.

How can the federal government sue to stop enforcement of it's own law?

The fed is going to lose... badly.

I wonder what the biggest drug export is out of Mexico?

the arizona law is unconstitutional and if you support it you are a nazi.

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"In our constitutional system, the federal government has pre-eminent authority to regulate immigration matters," the lawsuit says. "This authority derives from the United States Constitution and numerous acts of Congress. The nation's immigration laws reflect a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian interests."

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"In our constitutional system, the federal government has pre-eminent authority to regulate immigration matters," the lawsuit says. "This authority derives from the United States Constitution and numerous acts of Congress. The nation's immigration laws reflect a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian interests."

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Someone needs to point out to our esteemed leaders that ...

This is not an immigration issue.

This is a TRESPASSING issue.



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How can the federal government sue to stop enforcement of it's own law?

The fed is going to lose... badly.


Because the FEDS claim it's THEIR responsibility to secure our border, regardless of their incompetence and non-action in doing so.

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"In our constitutional system, the federal government has pre-eminent authority to regulate immigration matters," the lawsuit says. "This authority derives from the United States Constitution and numerous acts of Congress. The nation's immigration laws reflect a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian interests."

//...

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Someone needs to point out to our esteemed leaders that ...

This is not an immigration issue.

This is a TRESPASSING issue.



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Posts here seem to show that the political strategists directing the campaign for amnesty to illegal aliens have two very powerful psychological weapons for squelching opposition. The effectiveness of these two weapons is aimed at exploiting deep remorselessness in the national psyche over alleged historical failures to honor the principles upon which this nation was founded.

Americans are hyper sensitized to the label “racist”, no doubt due to public consciousness of those regrettable episodes when racism was openly declared as policy objective, governmental and otherwise. Consequently, Americans have been long conditioned to reflexively shy back from opposing policy that is front loaded with claim of being anti-racist. Conversely, opposing arguments are stigmatized as inherently racist, rendering them much less likely to receive as full an examination as might be warranted.

“Anti-immigrant” is another epithet from which Americans shy, conditioned as we are by the phrase “We are all immigrants”. Most Americans willingly acknowledge the fact that immigration restrictions of the past often were framed out of racist sentiment, and that many of us would not be here were we not of European extraction. Proponents for amnesty are exploiting that sensitivity hoping that the American public is conditioned to submit without full discussion of the broader ramifications of amnesty. That is why they frame opposition as anti-immigrant rather than as pro-legal immigration.

Many citizens seem to have internalized the allegations that nation’s past contained racist sentiments, as full born or isolated as they may have been, and bearing it as a personal guilt which they then project back upon the nation as a whole. Expiation of that guilt then becomes framing national policy as declaration of mea culpa, with legislation slanted primarily to purpose of restitution to any party wishing to identify itself among the harmed? Palliative this course might feel to some, but -- of course -- the past would remain immutable. Outcome though would be disastrous in terms of our government fulfilling its Constitutional obligation to act on behalf of current and future needs as willed by the citizenry through democratic process.

Promoters of amnesty have self arrogated themselves to Inquisitor (as in Spanish Inquisition of the 16th Century), presuming to position themselves to decide for the nation what action will serve to expiate perceived racist past. Implicitly, the judgment is that our nation is no longer entitled to sovereignty. Hence, legislated immigration policies must default to however many foreign nationals choose to come here in disregard of hitherto legal policy.
That is, citizens should relinquish sovereign privilege of directing national destiny, subordinating instead to unrestricted migration of populations from regions beyond its no longer enforced borders. Self-flagellation, anyone?

Amnesty, fronted as anti-racist, has immunized it from consideration in broader context -- budget crunch, national debt, over extended infrastructure, undercut middle-class wages, weakened organized labor movement, overpopulation, environmental collapse, global warming, high unemployment, job loss, mortgage defaults, health care disaster, education inadequacies, etc., etc.

This forces the question: have polemics of the political left crystallized into a cant of political correctness, preconditioning it from critically analyzing propositions front-loaded as anti racist? "Left", at time of its origination as reference to a factional stance in politics, was coincident with the frame "free thinker". Today though, judging from its adopted memes, litany of catch phrases and talking points, the Left appears to have become as uniform in mind set as a monastic order.

... Amnesty hasnt been realistically discussed; it wont be for everybody IMO, just the long term, established, assimilated variety. It isnt a question of if, only when...

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Concerning "enough problems of our own without taking on another country", join the club. The American people arent the only ones feeling that loss of control. Imagine not only feeling that loss of control, but KNOWING it -- the economy, the politics -- are directly managed from another country. At least your bastards are yours to insult, but we have to insult your bastards too for controlling our bastards. You know what I mean?

Posts here seem to show that the political strategists directing the campaign for amnesty to illegal aliens have two very powerful psychological weapons for squelching opposition. The effectiveness of these two weapons is aimed at exploiting deep remorselessness in the national psyche over alleged historical failures to honor the principles upon which this nation was founded.

Americans are hyper sensitized to the label “racist”, no doubt due to public consciousness of those regrettable episodes when racism was openly declared as policy objective, governmental and otherwise. Consequently, Americans have been long conditioned to reflexively shy back from opposing policy that is front loaded with claim of being anti-racist. Conversely, opposing arguments are stigmatized as inherently racist, rendering them much less likely to receive as full an examination as might be warranted.

“Anti-immigrant” is another epithet from which Americans shy, conditioned as we are by the phrase “We are all immigrants”. Most Americans willingly acknowledge the fact that immigration restrictions of the past often were framed out of racist sentiment, and that many of us would not be here were we not of European extraction. Proponents for amnesty are exploiting that sensitivity hoping that the American public is conditioned to submit without full discussion of the broader ramifications of amnesty. That is why they frame opposition as anti-immigrant rather than as pro-legal immigration.

Many citizens seem to have internalized the allegations that nation’s past contained racist sentiments, as full born or isolated as they may have been, and bearing it as a personal guilt which they then project back upon the nation as a whole. Expiation of that guilt then becomes framing national policy as declaration of mea culpa, with legislation slanted primarily to purpose of restitution to any party wishing to identify itself among the harmed? Palliative this course might feel to some, but -- of course -- the past would remain immutable. Outcome though would be disastrous in terms of our government fulfilling its Constitutional obligation to act on behalf of current and future needs as willed by the citizenry through democratic process.

Promoters of amnesty have self arrogated themselves to Inquisitor (as in Spanish Inquisition of the 16th Century), presuming to position themselves to decide for the nation what action will serve to expiate perceived racist past. Implicitly, the judgment is that our nation is no longer entitled to sovereignty. Hence, legislated immigration policies must default to however many foreign nationals choose to come here in disregard of hitherto legal policy.
That is, citizens should relinquish sovereign privilege of directing national destiny, subordinating instead to unrestricted migration of populations from regions beyond its no longer enforced borders. Self-flagellation, anyone?

Amnesty, fronted as anti-racist, has immunized it from consideration in broader context -- budget crunch, national debt, over extended infrastructure, undercut middle-class wages, weakened organized labor movement, overpopulation, environmental collapse, global warming, high unemployment, job loss, mortgage defaults, health care disaster, education inadequacies, etc., etc.

This forces the question: have polemics of the political left crystallized into a cant of political correctness, preconditioning it from critically analyzing propositions front-loaded as anti racist? "Left", at time of its origination as reference to a factional stance in politics, was coincident with the frame "free thinker". Today though, judging from its adopted memes, litany of catch phrases and talking points, the Left appears to have become as uniform in mind set as a monastic order.


I sure hope the US "left" isnt defining the issue as you say. Best to leave the intimidating emotional shill arguments to the "right". Amnesty hasnt been realistically discussed; it wont be for everybody IMO, just the long term, established, assimilated variety. It isnt a question of if, only when...

... Amnesty hasnt been realistically discussed; it wont be for everybody IMO, just the long term, established, assimilated variety. It isnt a question of if, only when...

Amnesty for the ones who have tapped into the social programs and wouldn't be able to make it back in the home country any more? I'm exactly not in favor of that. Their best years as contributors here are behind them! Now they're raising anchor babies ...

I note your certainty but I have hope this (and nonsense like tuition benefits for them) can be stopped.

Posts here seem to show that the political strategists directing the campaign for amnesty to illegal aliens have two very powerful psychological weapons for squelching opposition. The effectiveness of these two weapons is aimed at exploiting deep remorselessness in the national psyche over alleged historical failures to honor the principles upon which this nation was founded.

Americans are hyper sensitized to the label “racist”, no doubt due to public consciousness of those regrettable episodes when racism was openly declared as policy objective, governmental and otherwise. Consequently, Americans have been long conditioned to reflexively shy back from opposing policy that is front loaded with claim of being anti-racist. Conversely, opposing arguments are stigmatized as inherently racist, rendering them much less likely to receive as full an examination as might be warranted.

“Anti-immigrant” is another epithet from which Americans shy, conditioned as we are by the phrase “We are all immigrants”. Most Americans willingly acknowledge the fact that immigration restrictions of the past often were framed out of racist sentiment, and that many of us would not be here were we not of European extraction. Proponents for amnesty are exploiting that sensitivity hoping that the American public is conditioned to submit without full discussion of the broader ramifications of amnesty. That is why they frame opposition as anti-immigrant rather than as pro-legal immigration.

Many citizens seem to have internalized the allegations that nation’s past contained racist sentiments, as full born or isolated as they may have been, and bearing it as a personal guilt which they then project back upon the nation as a whole. Expiation of that guilt then becomes framing national policy as declaration of mea culpa, with legislation slanted primarily to purpose of restitution to any party wishing to identify itself among the harmed? Palliative this course might feel to some, but -- of course -- the past would remain immutable. Outcome though would be disastrous in terms of our government fulfilling its Constitutional obligation to act on behalf of current and future needs as willed by the citizenry through democratic process.

Promoters of amnesty have self arrogated themselves to Inquisitor (as in Spanish Inquisition of the 16th Century), presuming to position themselves to decide for the nation what action will serve to expiate perceived racist past. Implicitly, the judgment is that our nation is no longer entitled to sovereignty. Hence, legislated immigration policies must default to however many foreign nationals choose to come here in disregard of hitherto legal policy.
That is, citizens should relinquish sovereign privilege of directing national destiny, subordinating instead to unrestricted migration of populations from regions beyond its no longer enforced borders. Self-flagellation, anyone?

Amnesty, fronted as anti-racist, has immunized it from consideration in broader context -- budget crunch, national debt, over extended infrastructure, undercut middle-class wages, weakened organized labor movement, overpopulation, environmental collapse, global warming, high unemployment, job loss, mortgage defaults, health care disaster, education inadequacies, etc., etc.

This forces the question: have polemics of the political left crystallized into a cant of political correctness, preconditioning it from critically analyzing propositions front-loaded as anti racist? "Left", at time of its origination as reference to a factional stance in politics, was coincident with the frame "free thinker". Today though, judging from its adopted memes, litany of catch phrases and talking points, the Left appears to have become as uniform in mind set as a monastic order.


I sure hope the US "left" isnt defining the issue as you say. Best to leave the intimidating emotional shill arguments to the "right". Amnesty hasnt been realistically discussed; it wont be for everybody IMO, just the long term, established, assimilated variety. It isnt a question of if, only when...


Assimilated variety? That would be a step forward and quite critical to the argument yet I'd assume that to be a very small minority. Assimilation is voluntary and in my experience most illegals resist it, smiling as the dolares are laid in their palm and sneering when they turn away.

i say if the obamanites try to force this issue arizona say fine and comply, and vow to not do the gun checks and other federal shit for the government and tell them to do their own work.


Agreed. Make them enforce every little federal law, bog them down, drain them of every little bit of man power and money.

the arizona law is unconstitutional and if you support it you are a nazi.

Well then...Sieg Heil!