More pesky problems from the bible

"Jesus was crucified on Wednesday and buried before 6:00 PM that day. The Jewish day began at 6:00 PM which was the Passover (Nisan 14). Therefore the Passover began on Wednesday after 6:00 PM which would actually be Thursday in the Julian calendar. The women brought the spices on Friday, rested on Saturday and went on Sunday morning after 6:00 AM and found the Lord was resurrected. This is the series of events and is accord with Jesus' states of Matthew 12:38-40. Jesus was in the grave three full days and three nights. Any other view violates the biblical account and the historical facts."

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"But if He was crucified the day before the Sabbath, how could He have been crucified on Wednesday? The answer lies in the fact that the Jews celebrated more Sabbaths than just the weekly Sabbath. They had a number of feast days that were "High Sabbaths," or high days. He arose on the first day of the week after the Sabbaths* (plural). ... The day Jesus died was the preparation day (Wednesday) of the Passover celebration on Thursday (John 19:14, 31"

he entrance of the temple, and I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar. Ezekiel 47:1

On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter. Zechariah 14:8

... the temple he had spoken of was his body. John 2:21

how many solutions have you searched for in the bible anyway OP? That is what it's purpose is.

As for your "poblems", they are all wrong.

"It is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into a large amount of flour until it worked all through the dough." Luke 13:21 …

What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes 1:9 When the overwhelming scourge sweeps by, you will be beaten down by it. As often as it comes it will carry you away; morning after morning, by day and by night, it will sweep through."" Isaiah 28:19"

the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. Daniel 9:26 ... When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed." Daniel 12:7

Do you know fractals? - the word of God is like that.

that's why they are called "problems"

The source for this thread wasn't give but this is probably it:

[link to www.extremelysmart.com]

Atheists are mostly cut and paste arguers. Answer their question, you get more cut and pastes.

The "bible", ALL of IT, is mostly COUNTERFEIT.

About 15% is true...

There are TWO "gods" who speak all throughout the Old Testament, and the New Testament was written by Roman "scribes" which is why there are so many errors.

"Jesus" is fictitional and was developed to give all the pagans who had a triune godhead someone to rally around that would unite the entire Roman Empire...

It is ALL IDOLATRY.

The REAL GOD, Almighty God, is not a liar, is not a God of War, of Flesh and Blood Sacrifice, of famine, prestilence, murder, mayhen, or anything else except LOVE, LIFE, PEACE, and PLENTY.

HE is the SAVIOR of humankind.

The FALSE "god" who is also known as "the lord of hosts" HATES humankind and has been working to annihilate the Children of God since the beginning of time.

Visit this insightful and informative website to find out all the ways the Truth of Almighty God has been twisted and corrupted since the beginning of time: [link to www.lionofjehsurun.com]

The magical shit is obviously fiction, but even the things that COULD have happened are questionable, based on the rampant forgery that occurred at the time.

This is a pretty ridiculous statement when one contemplates the fact that the bible has been assembled and edited for over 4000+ years, making it the ultimate "cut & paste" document.

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Don't waste your energy praying.

Instead, go down to your local animal shelter and adopt a pet that is on death row. Or, buy a homeless person a meal. Or, plant a tree amongst the concrete jungle.

It is much more productive.
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jx is a myth

Sooooo typical.

Boring!

YAWN
Do you know how many times I have heard this. You people are cookie cuts.

I have been on forums for years. I have explained things like this over and over and over Ad Infinitum.

I could do it again but what's the use. I could show a literary pattern that is unique to the Bible that shows it is supernatural but then I would have to explain how it is not the Bible code, but they still would not get it.

I could ask for one example of a one error of fact or science in the Bible but I would not get it. ( I would get a cut and paste)

It is always the same old tired arguments, over, and over, again. It is always the words that wiser heads have put in their mouths. They are always parroting what they hear from others.

LOL @ OP so slow

Well, smartass, I never heard the term before. It came straight from my rational brain, which is something xians wouldn't know anything about. But, just for my own knowledge, I Googled the phrase "cut and paste bible" and it came up with just 84 links. Of those, only a handful used the term within the same context I did, and most of those referred to the jefferson bible. Your response is a FAIL.

The problem here is your bible has been called out for the farce it really is, and you can't handle fact. Instead, you choose a feeble attempt at distraction.

Typical xian tactics.

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Don't waste your energy praying.

Instead, go down to your local animal shelter and adopt a pet that is on death row. Or, buy a homeless person a meal. Or, plant a tree amongst the concrete jungle.

It is much more productive.
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jx is a myth

Quote:

"Comets are evil.
“They are wandering stars, for whom the deepest darkness has been reserved forever.” — Jud. 1:14"


Where does this passage mention "comets"?

In bible PROPHETIC passages, a "star" symbolizes an angel. The "wandering stars" represent the angels who rebelled against God.


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"Rabbits and hares chew their cuds, just as cows do.

'The hare, for even though it chews the cud, it does not have divided hoofs; it is unclean for you.' — Lev. 11:6
' Yet of those that chew the cud or have the hoof cleft you shall not eat these: the camel, the hare, and the rock badger, because they chew the cud but do not divide the hoof; they are unclean for you [Deut. 14:7]'"

Where is the "contradiction" here?









I have answers for ALL the passages you cited here. I will return when I have more time, later. But no matter what anyone does to explain these things to you, you will not be interested in real explanations. Your only REAL interest, is to run away from faith, and to dissuade others from having faith as well. You are nothing more than a deceived little tinker toy for the adversary to use, and discard.

Reconstructing the Holy Week from Scripture

Friday: Preparation Day, the Passover
The disciples arranged for the Passover meal, which took place after sundown on Thursday. We might call it Friday Eve, because by Jewish reckoning, the day begins with the previous sunset. That’s why we call 24 December “Christmas Eve.” Jesus and the disciples ate the Passover in the upper room. They ate it early, which was not uncommon. In that era, most Passover Seders did not include lamb, because most Jews lived too far away from the Temple to obtain a lamb that was kosher for Passover. Therefore the disciples, who were from Galilee, would have been accustomed to a Passover Seder without lamb. Judas left during the meal. Jesus and the remaining disciples adjourned to the Garden of Gethsemane, where Jesus prayed and the disciples kept falling asleep. Judas arrived to betray Jesus, who spent the rest of the night being tried by the Sanhedrin and by Pilate. The following morning, which was still the same day by Jewish reckoning, the Crucifixion significantly took place just as the Passover lambs were being slaughtered in the Temple. Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:55-56, and John 19:31 all inform us that this took place on Preparation Day, which is the Jewish name for Friday. Mark and John explain that the next day was the Sabbath. Later the disciples realized that in giving them the bread and pronouncing it His body, Jesus Himself had been the Passover lamb at the Last Supper. Thus Jesus, our Passover lamb, was sacrificed for our sins on Passover (1 Corinthians 5:7), and His blood protects us from the angel of death. Jesus died on the cross and was buried before sunset. So Friday was first day that Jesus lay in the tomb.

Saturday: the Jewish Sabbath
Jesus rested in the tomb on the Sabbath. According to Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-3, and Luke 23:56-24:3, the day before the Resurrection was a Sabbath. This is the second day that Jesus lay in the tomb.

Sunday: the first day of the week, the Festival of First Fruits
On the third day, Jesus rose from the grave. It was the first day of the week and the day after the Sabbath, according to Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-3, Luke 23:56-24:3. John 20:1 says the Resurrection took place on the first day of the week. He does not explicitly say that the previous day was the Sabbath, but there is no room in his narrative for any intervening days. The first day of the week is the Jewish name for Sunday. Sunday is also the eighth day after the creation in Genesis, so Paul describes Jesus’ Resurrection as the first fruits of the new creation in 1 Corinthians 15:20-23.

Biblical Foundations:
• Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all inform us that the Last Supper and the Crucifixion took place on Preparation Day.
• Mark and John inform us that the next day, the day after the Crucifixion, was the Sabbath.
• Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John inform us that the Resurrection took place on the first day of the week.
• Matthew, Mark, and Luke inform us that the day before the Resurrection was the Sabbath, and John heavily implies it.

Ancient Christian writers confirm this reconstruction. In The Apostolic Constitutions, Book V, Section III, it says that the Last Supper occurred on the fifth day of the week (Thursday), that Jesus was crucified on the next day (Friday), and rose on the first day (Sunday), and it explicitly states that this constitutes three days and three nights. The Apostolic Constitutions uses Roman-style midnight-to-midnight days, so this squares with the New Testament’s use of sundown-to-sundown days. It also says that Jesus gave the apostles a commandment to pass on to us, to fast on Wednesdays and Fridays; the first to commemorate His betrayal, the second to commemorate His passion on the cross.

Therefore, it is obvious that the Crucifixion took place on a Friday, that Jesus rested in the tomb on Saturday, and rose from the grave on Sunday. So, you might ask, why didn’t the gospel writers just come right out and say that it was Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? The answer is that they did, for the circumstances under which they wrote. They were writing for an audience beyond Palestine, and in the Roman Empire of the first century, there was no general consensus about the names of the days of the week, the number of the current year, the names and lengths of the months, the date of the new year, or the time at which the day began. On that last point, the day began at midnight in Egypt, at sunrise in Greece, and at sunset in Palestine. So even though it is not what we are used to, the gospels are really worded in such a way as to make the dates and times comprehensible to anyone in the Roman Empire who was familiar with the Jewish Scriptures.

When you count days you get a different answer than when you subtract dates. If you go to a three-day seminar that begins on Friday, you expect it to end on Sunday, because Friday, Saturday, and Sunday are three days. However, if you subtract the date of Friday from the date of Sunday, the answer is two elapsed days. The ancients counted days instead of calculating elapsed time—in fact, Jesus Himself counted days this way in Luke 13:31-32. This is why the tradition is universal that Jesus spent three days in the tomb when He was buried on Friday and rose from the dead on Sunday. All intervals in the Jewish and Christian calendars are calculated the same way, which is why Pentecost falls on a Sunday and not on a Monday.

Quote:

"Jesus quotes scripture that doesn't exist.

“Let the one who believes in me drink. As the scripture has said, ‘Out of the believer's heart shall flow rivers of living water’” (John 7:38).

In the Hebrew Scriptures, living water comes from God, not from believers in God. Whatever Jesus may be quoting, it isn't in the Bible."






Living water symbolizes the Holy Spirit. This passage simply declares that the Holy Spirit flows through the believers heart.

Which (by the way) is the reason that you are unable to discern the meaning of bible passages without assistance. The Holy Spirit does not flow through the heart of non-believers, and the disobedient.

Explain these:

The sun revolves around the flat Earth.
“On the day when YHWH gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to YHWH; and he [unspecified whether Joshua or God] said in the sight of Israel, ‘Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and Moon, in the valley of Aijalon.’ And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in midheaven, and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.” — Joshua 10:12-13

Hebrew Translation has different verses
יב אָז יְדַבֵּר יְהוֹשֻׁ&#150​6;ַ, לַיהוָה, בְּיוֹם תֵּת יְהוָה אֶת-הָאֱמ&#14​65;רִי, לִפְנֵי בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָא&#146​1;ל; וַיֹּאמֶ&#151​2; לְעֵינֵי יִשְׂרָא&#146​1;ל, שֶׁמֶשׁ בְּגִבְע&#149​3;ֹן דּוֹם, וְיָרֵחַ, בְּעֵמֶק אַיָּלוֹ&#150​3;. 12 Then spoke Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel: 'Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Aijalon.'
יג וַיִּדֹּ&#150​1; הַשֶּׁמֶ&#151​3;ׁ וְיָרֵחַ עָמָד, עַד-יִקֹּ&#15​01; גּוֹי אֹיְבָיו--&#1​492;ֲלֹא-הִיא​ כְתוּבָה, עַל-סֵפֶר הַיָּשָׁ&#151​2;; וַיַּעֲמ&#146​5;ד הַשֶּׁמֶ&#151​3;ׁ בַּחֲצִי הַשָּׁמַ&#149​7;ִם, וְלֹא-אָץ לָבוֹא כְּיוֹם תָּמִים. 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation had avenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
[link to www.mechon-mamre.org]

There are no ancient scrolls which exist to support the New Testament.
The New Testament was developed by Constantine and
the Roman Catholic Church. So basically they made up the scriptures in the New Testament.

Flying insects walk on all fours.
“All winged insects that walk upon all fours are detestable to you [Lev. 11:20-23]

Hebrew Translation says the words "swarming things" and not the word "insect."
And swarming things are not necessarily insects.

Swarm describes a behaviour of an aggregate of animals of similar size and body orientation, often moving en masse in the same direction. "Swarming" is a general term that can be applied to any animal that swarms.

The term can be applied to insects, birds, fish, various microorganisms such as bacteria, and people.


Rabbits and hares chew their cuds, just as cows do.
“The hare, for even though it chews the cud, it does not have divided hoofs; it is unclean for you.” — Lev. 11:6
“ Yet of those that chew the cud or have the hoof cleft you shall not eat these: the camel, the hare, and the rock badger, because they chew the cud but do not divide the hoof; they are unclean for you [Deut. 14:7]


Some background information:

Cud chewers are generally classified as belonging to the order of ruminants- (a sub order of artiodactyls) - and are defined as an "even-toed animal that regurgitates and masticates its food after swallowing. " This means that a cow, for example, will eat vegetation and swallow it. The cow's stomach is divided into four chambers where some of more easily digestible nutrients are absorbed by the body while other more fibrous material is stored in the stomach and then regurgitated. The cow will re-chew this material and re-swallow it so that it can digest it as well.

Rabbits and hares, however, do not have a chambered stomach such as the cow. They also do not regurgitate their food. What they do perform is a function named cecotropy. I will quote the process as cited at [link to www.mhhe.com]

SYMBIOSIS WITHIN THE VERTEBRATE DIGESTIVE SYSTEM

Bacterial Digestion of Cellulose Within Animals - Vertebrates lack enzymes to digest plant material. Some bacteria can do so and are harbored by animals... Rats and rabbits redigest cellulose another way. [They] eat feces and literally redigest them a second time. Efficiency approaches that of ruminants.

In a more detailed version, Margert "Casey" Kilcullen-Steiner, (M.S., L.A.Tg) writes:
[link to microvet.arizona.edu]

Rabbits are sometimes called "pseudo-ruminants"... The rhythmic cycle of coprophagy of pure cecal contents practiced by all rabbits allows utilization of microbial protein and fermentation products, as well as recycling of certain minerals. Whereas the feces commonly seen excreted by rabbits are fairly large, dry and ovoid, excreted singly, and consist of fibrous plant material, cecotrophs are about half that size, occur in moist bundles stuck together with mucus, and are very fine textured and odiferous. They are seldom seen, as the rabbit plucks them directly from the anus as they are passed and swallows them whole. Normal rabbits do not allow cecotrophs to drop to the floor or ground, and their presence there indicates a mechanical problem or illness in the rabbit.

And Janet Tast, D.V.M. notes:
[link to www.ultranet.com]

Cecotrophy by Janet Tast, D.V.M. "Cecotropy is the process by which rabbits will reingest part of their feces directly from the rectum. This should not be confused with the term coprophagy (eating fecal material) since rabbits only ingest the soft "night" feces or cecotrophs."

Caryl Hilscher-Conklin (M.S. in Biology, University of Notre Dame) also makes this claim:
[link to www.rmca.org]

"One may not give much thought to the lazy chewing of the cud that we observe cows doing all the time, but this behavior is analogous to coprophagy. The only difference between cud chewing and coprophagy is the point in the digestive tract at which nutrients are expelled and then placed back into the mouth."

Now, we must also remember that artiodactyls were first defined as a separate order in 1847 by Richard Owen and the behavior of cecotropy was first recognized in 1882. Deuteronomy, however, was written approximately 1500 BC in an ancient Hebrew. It would be intellectually dishonest for someone to claim that a 3500 year old writing is contradictory because it doesn't match with a scientific classification invented only about a hundred years ago. Further, if the ancient Hebrews defined 'cud-chewing" as that process where half digested vegetation was re-chewed by an animal for easier re-digestion ( and that is a very specific and scientific definition), I would say the hare fits here fine.

Whenever someone translates an ancient language or writing, some word for word parallels are not going to be available. Most scholars understand this and accept the cultural backgrounds and meanings for what they are.


Again the New Testament do not have original writings to base their information on.

And many discrepancies in the scriptures exist for several reasons.

The Old Testament was rewritten by a man named Antiochus.
A church monk named Bede also altered the scriptures.
And Constantine added to the scriptures in an effort to
make the New Testament 'fit' with the Old Testament.

Not to mention how many times the scriptures were written
and rewritten by the church monks over hundreds of years.

Another problem developed when translating the OT scriptures
from ancient Hebrew into Greek - many original ideas were lost.

That does not mean that the OT scriptures are without merit
or authenticity - it simply means that the message of
the scriptures were deliberately corrupted.

For as many errors one finds in the scriptures - one can also find just as many truths.

Which are supported by archaeology and written history that the ancients left behind.

The truth was deliberately concealed from the world within the Old Testament.

And those who are thirsty for knowledge must 'dig' for it - as one would for water in the desert.

I Goggled edited Bible, which is what you posted about, and here is the result: About 5,390,000 results (0.26 seconds)

look busy

they watch!

Exactly.

Why do sceptics cut and paste so much.

Answer: they do not have to be specific and answer follow up questions. They can hit and run, take pot shots and then run for cover behind another cut and paste.

They can not debate one on one.

And the great flood of xian cut & paste psycho-babble descended from above, for forty days and forty nights, until all mankind was thoroughly brainwashed. Then the evil imaginary god behind the curtain rested and marveled at the delusion which had been perpetrated upon the world. And he said, "It is an evil thing I've done, however, no one will be any the wiser, for all men are now destined to never think for themselves again, and it is good."

Whether you believe in the ocean or not...

If you step in it...

You're going to get wet.

And the wall of xian crap now being posted here isn't cut & paste?

You sir, are a delusional, arrogant, pompous xian ass.

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Don't waste your energy praying.

Instead, go down to your local animal shelter and adopt a pet that is on death row. Or, buy a homeless person a meal. Or, plant a tree amongst the concrete jungle.

It is much more productive.
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jx is a myth

We all waste so much time arguing drivel. Most of these errors arise from taking the Bible as literally true, infallible, inerrant. The Bible is not a document of history, it is not a scientific treatise, as any educated person quickly learns that it is very unscientific. The Bible is a COLLECTION of spiritual books meant to be understood in a spiritual way. Contradictions in the gospels are there because four different writers were involved, we have four different viewpoints.
It doesn't matter whether all the fantastic stories are true or not, they were compiled to teach moral lessons. People of all ages get so involved arguing the "validity" of these accounts that they entirely miss the message intended.
I am a Christian, and if I were asked to sum up the Christian revelation, it would be : Jesus came to free us from the bondage of the past. Jesus gave a message of a new approach to God. We don't have to burn dead animals on altars to appease God. His great Sermon on the Mount is a treatise of moral renewal, a new path to human fellowship. If we would only listen to his words, we could make some progress. Instead we continue to argue, and hate one another.
Just my two cents worth. Love your neighbor.

Jesus was an astronaut

Jesus is a myth, is he? Alright, then, let's see about that.
Oh, by the way, all of the copy and paste you are about to see is all my compilation work, so there's no need to be upset :)

NON-BIBLICAL PROOF OF JESUS CHRIST'S EXISTENCE:

"These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries."
[link to www.thedevineevidence.com]



The Evidence for the Existence of Jesus

[link to video.google.com]



CORNELIUS TACITUS (55 - 120 A.D.) Tacitus was a 1st and 2nd century Roman historian who lived through the reigns of over half a dozen Roman emperors. Considered one of the greatest historians of ancient Rome, Tacitus verifies the Biblical account of Jesus' execution at the hands of Pontius Pilate who governed Judea from 26-36 A.D. during the reign of Tiberius.

"Christus, the founder of the [Christian] name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius. But the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also." Annals XV, 44
[link to www.perseus.tufts.edu]

What this passage reveals and how it confirms the Biblical account:

-Jesus did exist

-Jesus was the founder of Christianity

-Jesus was put to death by Pilate

-Christianity originated in Judea (With Jesus)

-Christianity later spread to Rome (Through the Apostles and Evangelists)

Because of his position as a professional historian and not as a commentator Tacitus referenced government records over Christian testimony. There is not a surviving copy of Tacitus' Annals that does not contain this passage. There is no verifiable evidence of tampering of any kind in this passage. It simply provides evidence of Jesus' existence (a topic not debated at this point in history) and not his divinity.
[link to www.thedevineevidence.com]


And then they set the entire calendar after His walk on earth.

Zeitgeist Refuted - Final Cut


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To order this film on dvd, visit: www.holybibleprophecy.org Zeitgeist Refuted is a documentary film in response to the bold claims made in Peter Joseph's Zeitgeist the movie concerning the Christian faith. This film examines the similarities and differences of pagan religions according to history and scholarly opinion. Additionally, it explores the historicity of Jesus. Also discussed are the Jesus Myth Theory and Astrotheology. The viewer will also see a critique of the works of Zeitgeist sources cited in the Zeitgeist bibliography such as Acharya S, Gerald Massey and Jordan Maxwell. This documentary exposes the Freemasonry, Theosophy and New Age influence on Zeitgeist and the Zeitgeist Movement.


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If you knew the connotation to the word 'mount'
really meant...you might change your mind.