HIZBALLAH ADVANCES 20,000 TROOPS TO ISRAELI BORDER ((Breaking)) Ahmadinejad to visit Beirut .

>Same boat? You row on the left side, Ill row on the right, brother.

You got that right bro, the mystical "buy it or burn in Hell" crap has worn thin on me. Aything fear-based is NOT from the REAL God. The Bible is fear-based. "Do this or burn in Hell". No real God would threaten children with hell fire. I was a devout christian for years and it left me empty and frustrated. My gut instinct is that it definitely NOT the way the Universe operates. The elite's scheme's run DEEP.

To OP,

The biggest thread is not Iran, not Hizbullah, not Israel, but Obama.

Obama is the one who is secretly aiding those moslem radicals and enbolden them.

Look at what he has instructed NASA to "put moslems into space".

Obama is a moslem, and like all other moslems, Obama is a lying son-of-a-bitch.

His collaboration with BP on the Gulf oil spill drama has told us that Obama is not to be trusted, ever.

And Israel, listen up.

*NEVER* trust any moslem, including that Hussein Obama.

Im open to being TAUGHT about god, jesus, unicorns, whatever.

But the way things look when you ad it all up, just aint right.

Ive always kept an open mind.

But for a "god" to have his kid killed, then say to worship said dead kid, dont look right.

Then the whole "king of the jews" thing just really adds a twist.

WTF exactly is with that?

If he was the king of the jews, than isnt all of christ-ianity wrong, and the jews right?

Nobody has ever explained that to me, and probably never will.

Thats true actually.

This is all white supremacist, christian replacement theology, anti black president, tea party racist, blood libel.
No presidental administration in history has ever endangered and damaged Israel more than that fool George Bush.
Nixon hated jews, but he didn't act against Israel like Bush did.

Obama is just doing it in the open, my friend.

Our gubment has been touching both ends since the dawn of time.

Thats true actually

We really should believe in God....here, pick one.
Agdistis or Angdistis
Ah Puch
Ahura Mazda
Alberich
Allah
Amaterasu
An
Anansi
Anat
Andvari
Anshar
Anu

Aphrodite
Apollo
Apsu
Ares
Artemis
Asclepius
Athena
Athirat
Athtart
Atla
Baal
Ba Xian
Bacchus
Balder
Bast
Bellona
Bergelmir
Bes
Bixia Yuanjin
Bragi
Brahma
Brigit
Camaxtli
Ceres
Ceridwen
Cernunnos
Chac
Chalchiuhtlicue
Charun
Chemosh
Cheng-huang
Cybele
Dagon
Damkina (Dumkina)
Davlin
Dawn
Demeter
Diana
Di Cang
Dionysu
Ea
El
Enki
Enlil
Eos
Epona
Ereskigal
Farbauti
Fenrir
Forseti
Freya
Freyr
Frigg
Gaia
Ganesha
Ganga
Garuda
Gauri
Geb
Geong Si
Guanyin
Hades
Hanuman
Hathor
Hecate (Hekate)
Helios
Heng-o (Chang-o)
Hephaestus
Hera
Hermes
Hestia
Hod
Hoderi
Hoori
Horus
Hotei
Huitzilopochtli
Hsi-Wang-Mu
Hygeia
Inanna
Inti
Iris
Ishtar
Isis
Ixtab
Izanaki
Izanami
Jesus
Juno
Jupiter
Juturna
Kagutsuchi
Kartikeya
Khepri
Ki
Kingu
Kinich Ahau
Kishar
Krishna
Kuan-yin
Kukulcan
Lakshmi
Liza
Loki
Lugh
Luna
Magna Mater
Maia
Marduk
Mars
Mazu
Medb
Mercury
Mimir
Minerva
Mithras
Morrigan
Mot
Mummu
Muses
Nammu
Nanna
Nanna (Norse)
Nanse
Neith
Nemesis
Nephthys
Neptune
Nergal
Ninazu
Ninhurzag
Nintu
Ninurta
Njord
Nugua
Nut
Odin
Ohkuninushi
Ohyamatsumi
Orgelmir
Osiris
Ostara
Pan
Parvati
Phaethon
Phoebe
Phoebus Apollo
Pilumnus
Poseidon
Quetzalcoatl
Rama
Re
Rhea
Sabazius
Sarasvati
Selene
Shiva
Seshat
Seti (Set)
Shamash
Shapsu
Shen Yi
Shiva
Shu
Si-Wang-Mu
Sin
Sirona
Sol
Surya
Susanoh
awaret
Tefnut
Tezcatlipoca
Thanatos
Thor
Thoth
Tiamat
Tianhou
Tlaloc
Tonatiuh
Toyo-Uke-Bime
Tyche
Tyr
Utu
Uzume
Venus
Vesta
Vishnu
Volturnus
Vulcan
Xipe
Xi Wang-mu
Xochipilli
Xochiquetzal
Yam
Yarikh
Yhwh
Ymir
Yu-huang
Yum Kimil
Zeus

They all have two things in common. They were all made up by man,people had absolute faith that they are a God.

Hate,war,gold,oil,religion,weapons

the OT is just a foundation for the NT,

the least NT Saint is greater than the greatest OT Saint,,,,Jesus said that

the OT Saints were not indwelt by HOLY SPIRIT,
the NT Saints are indwelt

the OT is a physical picture-story (foreshadow) of the NT Spiritual Doctrines

eg,

OT Isarel nation is a foreshadow of the NT Christian Church

OT Babylon world kingdom is a shadow of the NT Babylon world kingdom

the passover lamb 3500 years ago is a shadow of the LAMB OF GOD, JESUS, WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD

OT TEMPLE was a shadow of the NT Temple (our bodies are the Temple of the Spirit,,,,we are indwelt by God)

many, many examples can be given

we learn much from studying the OT,
and
our faith is tremendously strengthened when we see these OT shadows and NT Substance


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


we don't observe saturday sabbath today,,,,cause the OT Sabbath was a shadow of the Substance, Christ

we enjoy a SPIRITUAL REST, today, from sin, shame, guilt, etc

www.bible-codes.org

Think of christians as Paulinians.
After Christ was killed by romans, Paul and his followers revised and expanded their beliefs to include gentiles because jews just weren't buying it.
They took it on the road, to the romans no less and romans made it law, adding their own spins to it such as the jews killing Christ.
From then on they used it to subjugate the masses keep women as second class citizens and all the rest of the horrors that have been the catholic church.

we've found the bible names of people, places, things in archeology, secular histories, etc

there's lots of Proof that the Bible is true

www.bible-codes.org

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wouldnt doubt it

Theres lots of proof that a BOOK is true?
What about the people in it?

Any proof of that?

Any insight as to why we should be worshiping a murderer?

The Error Of Replacement Theology

What Is Replacement Theology?
Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?
Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.
The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.
Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.
Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.
The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.
How Do Replacement Theologians Argue Their Case? They Say:
To be a son of Abraham is to have faith in Jesus Christ. For them, Galatians 3:29 shows that sonship to Abraham is seen only in spiritual, not national terms: "And if you be Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Rebuttal: While this is a wonderful inclusionary promise for Gentiles, this verse does not exclude the Jewish people from their original covenant, promise and blessing as the natural seed of Abraham. This verse simply joins us Gentile Christians to what God had already started with Israel.
MORE . . . [link to therefinersfire.org]

Jesus tried to learn all the people how to ride the bike.
Then people wrote a 1000's of pages long manual on how to ride the bike.
When people read the 1000's of pages long manual on how to ride the bike, they get so confused they fall of it.
Now people are trying to ride Jesus instead of the bike.
Jesus just vanted us to ride the bike, not ride him, or the manual.

Has anyone found a reliable source?

Thank you, that seems very thought out...even though your english is not perfect, I understood it.

if either country pre-emptively attacks the other without provocation

then its all out war

and the loser will be the one who fired first


this whole Israel and Iran war mongering stuff has to stop

If I was Iran I would implement at MAD strategy and simply negotiate with the Israeli's

If the Israeli's want true peace then they need to leave the Palestinians the FUCK ALONE and start being neighbors...otherwise this TIT FOR TAT goes on another 1000 years

Didnt you read that post?

They found proof the BIBLE is real.

No shit, theres a billion of em.

I want proof jesus, god, and mary were who they all say they were.

And someone, PLEASE address the murder issue.

In its own way, this is quite profound. Thanks.

Thank you
I got it from someone on YT he makes a lot of sence
His username is Jonathanlives

God (Jesus) forgives the repentant (extremely generous!),
and
He executes the un-repentant,

God told Israel to execute every person in the 7 caananite nations, cause they were extremely wicked,
they passed their children thru the fire, sacrificing to moloch

God destroyed Egypt and pharoah in the ten plagues,,,cause egypt was extremely wicked

Jesus was "slain from the foundation of the world",
God foreknew that we would need a Savior to die as our substitute,,,,,,and God provided that substitute on the Cross (His only begotten Son of God)

God is not a murderer,
but He does kill the un-repentant

Why God became a man

The man to whom I'm going to introduce you was not a scrooge, he was a kind decent, mostly good man. Generous to his family, upright in his dealings with other men. But he just didn't believe all that incarnation stuff which the churches proclaim at Christmas Time. It just didn't make sense and he was too honest to pretend otherwise. He just couldn't swallow the Jesus Story, about God coming to Earth as a man.

"I'm truly sorry to distress you," he told his wife, "but I'm not going with you to church this Christmas Eve." He said he'd feel like a hypocrite. That he'd much rather just stay at home, but that he would wait up for them. And so he stayed and they went to the midnight service.

Shortly after the family drove away in the car, snow began to fall. He went to the window to watch the flurries getting heavier and heavier and then went back to his fireside chair and began to read his newspaper. Minutes later he was startled by a thudding sound...Then another, and then another. Sort of a thump or a thud...At first he thought someone must be throwing snowballs against his living room window. But when he went to the front door to investigate he found a flock of birds huddled miserably in the snow. They'd been caught in the storm and, in a desperate search for shelter, had tried to fly through his large window.

Well, he couldn't let the poor creatures lie there and freeze, so he remembered the barn where his children stabled their pony. That would provide a warm shelter, if he could direct the birds to it. Quickly he put on a coat, galoshes, tramped through the deepening snow to the barn. He opened the doors wide and turned on a light, but the birds did not come in. He figured food would entice them in. So he hurried back to the house, fetched bread crumbs, sprinkled them on the snow, making a trail to the yellow-lighted wide open doorway of the stable. But to his dismay, the birds ignored the bread crumbs, and continued to flap around helplessly in the snow. He tried catching them...He tried shooing them into the barn by walking around them waving his arms...Instead, they scattered in every direction, except into the warm, lighted barn.

And then, he realized that they were afraid of him. To them, he reasoned, I am a strange and terrifying creature. If only I could think of some way to let them know that they can trust me...That I am not trying to hurt them, but to help them. But how? Because any move he made tended to frighten them, confuse them. They just would not follow. They would not be led or shooed because they feared him.

"If only I could be a bird," he thought to himself, "and mingle with them and speak their language. Then I could tell them not to be afraid. Then I could show them the way to safe, warm...to the safe warm barn. But I would have to be one of them so they could see, and hear and understand." At that moment the church bells began to ring. The sound reached his ears above the sounds of the wind. And he stood there listening to the bells - Adeste Fidelis - listening to the bells pealing the glad tidings of Christmas. And he sank to his knees in the snow.

Jesus was "slain from the foundation of the world",
God foreknew that we would need a Savior to die as our substitute,,,,,,and God provided that substitute on the Cross (His only begotten Son of God)


He ordered his death.

The worst of the sins, no?

It seems as if you are using words from a book, how to talk to disbeleivers.

Could you talk in normal words?


And why worship jesus, when god is higher on the ladder?

WHO set the rules of this stage?

Who said if they murdered his kid, we would all be forgiven?

God?

Is he making up the rules?

If he is, Im sure jesus wouldve much rather he made the guidelines to not include his death....

What/who made the rules to make him warrant this death?

Shouldnt they be the one to worship?

If god created all, who created him?

He was the VERY beginning?

To see an example, the best example, imho of how the leaders of the early christian church changed, lied and perverted the truth of Jesus Christ study Mary Magdalene, Jesus' favorite apostle.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Not only did they wipe her and her writings from the earth, but they libeled her, lied about her and purposely confused her with a prostitute.
I'm not sure what the answers are in life, but I am sure they are not in the big 3 religions.

Just for the record, although I was required by my parents to attend "Sunday School" to learn the bible, At age 10 years old, my parents told us kids it was no longet required we attend.

"Time to make your own descisions" I remember being told.

Anyway as an ADULT I revisited the work of CHRIST and became a believer using my own mind, not propoganda.

So not everyone believes because it was cramed down our throats as you say.

good luck in your quest for knowledge.