Planet X Proof During Eclipse! Zetas RIGHT Again!

There are quite a number of reasons, not the least of which is to watch the often hilarious responses by people like you. After the Heaven's Gate deal went down I decided to debunk astronomical nonsense in the hopes that others wouldn't fall for it. There's a lot of fear about Nibiru out there, some of it I've seen personally, and I will do whatever I can to put a stop to it. Those who are beyond help like yourself I frankly don't care about except to make sure that your nonsense is countered.

That's pretty easy, actually. If it exists then it demands that certain things be true, I just show that those things are not true and indeed they are not. Additionally, the Nibiru claim is frequently accompanied by a claim that something is out of order with the sky, so I just have to show that those claims are false as well.

There's nothing irrational about it.

Yes and I found your response to be completely ridiculous.

I assure you, I can do both at once.

The fact that you think it's part of a conspiracy shows how utterly worthless your standard of evidence is.

There's no contradiction there, even if you're willfully ignorant of my intentions. I don't care what you choose to believe, I have no control over that decision. What I do care about is others falling into this nonsense as deeply as you have, so I will continue to debunk you.

Plenty. Claims that Venus is not in the right place in the sky due to Nibiru, claims the bright object in the west at sunset is Nibiru, claims the moon is not in the right place in the sky due to Nibiru, claims the sun is not in the right place in the sky due to Nibiru, claims about a number of videos and photos purporting to show Nibiru in the sky, just to name a few.

Ultimately, if Nibiru were real and were about to arrive at perihelion it should have already disrupted the positions of the outer planets years before its arrival, and if it really were going to arrive by the end of 2012 as most claim even Saturn would have to be drastically out of its proper place in orbit by this very moment. Smaller low mass bodies like asteroids would be thrown even farther out of their expected orbits, and things like occultation timings simply would not occur when or where they would be predicted to. None of these things are happening.

Just because you're not trying doesn't mean you won't succeed.

I've already explained, though it's an ad hominem to attack my motives in the first place.

In case I haven't already made this perfectly clear, I don't give a shit what you personally think of me.

Not everything is about you, and I'm sure as hell not here for any reason pertaining to you personally. I'm here to debunk nonsense regarding astronomy and to do whatever I can to expose the truth.

Last Edited by Astromut on 07/19/2010 09:40 PM

See, that's the thing that you can't seem to understand. We Nibiru believers don't have to prove anything to you.

Your the ones that are in opposition, therfore you should prove that it doesn't exist.

Nibiru isn't my burden, it's yours.

~Zeus

So because YOU can't personally understand why someone would enjoy debunking things it can't possibly be an honest motivation, therefore your critics must be posting in bad faith. Quite the argument from incredulity fallacy you have there. Coupled with an assumption of bad faith no less. Really I shouldn't be surprised though, this type of faulty reasoning is quite common around here.

You decide. Images have been inverted:

[link to www.sixdottwenty.org]

Doesn't work that way, skippy. If you claim something is real, the burden of proof rests squarly on you, no one else.

With this one statement you have demonstrated you have no evidence worthy of the name, much less proof.

But you are no stranger to failure, are you, skippy?

Nice fake image there on the first one. No EXIF data, but a nice little Python Image Library profile. What program did you use to make that little piece of art? Nice CCD dust spot on the second one. Yeah, a "black blur" in a blue sky is Nibiru, uh-huh. Guess you never noticed how you can't even see earthshine on the moon unless it's dark, nor did you notice the other black blur dust spot up and to the left of the one you tried to point out, directly left of the moon.

Agreed. Don't they call it the diamond ring effect?

I don't need help from you or anyone else.(thanks anyway's) Continue to counter my so called "nonsense" if it makes you feel good Astronut.



Personally, I have yet to see you do this. Not that you can't, I just haven't seen it done.



Thats your opinion. Opinions are in abundance.



Good for you, more power to you.



I know its part of a conspiracy. As far as the evidence that I have seen, I don't consider it "worthless". Not only is that another "opinion" of yours, it is also an assumption because you have no idea what kind of evidence that I have seen that pertains to Nibiru.



Astronut, when you tell someone that you don't believe in their particular beliefs in one sentence or paragraph,and then go on to say "I don't care what you choose to believe." in the next, that is a contradiction. As far as debunking me..... I have stated earlier in this thread that I have no evidence on Nibiru. Therfore, there is nothing to debunk of mine here.



I'm sure all of the above is true, and its obvious that your a sharp one. Thing is though, what does any of that have to do with me or this particular thread?



I don't see Nibiru as a bad thing. This is far from a Heavens Gate type ordeal. I believe Nibiru to be the Kingdom of God. Taking your own life won't get anyone there.



I never meant to attack your motives, I was merely questioning them. My appologies if you were offended by that. If so, I appologize.



I admit that comment was in bad taste on my part. I'm just trying to understand what your interest is in me all of the sudden. That's all.



Of course everything isn't about me...........hell, I wouldn't want it to be. I'm busy enough as is. I just seems as if you and a few uh hmmm "others" are making it about me.



Then why get personal in the first place?



With all due respect, I don't even know you, so.............. we'll see about that one. I've been hearin' some rumors Astronut.


~Zeus

Couldn't agree more!


Not sure why that happend. I was logged in when I posted it.

~Zeus

Out of appreciation.

~Zeus

Last Edited by ~Brent~ on 07/19/2010 11:52 PM

Good because I'm not offering, at least not to you. You're beyond all help. Nothing anyone says will ever change your mind, you've admitted it yourself.

What you personally claim to have seen or not seen is irrelevant unless you have proof to back it up. Watch one of my broadcasts sometime. Or don't. I really don't care either way.

Claiming that I'm not looking hard enough nor are any of the other thousands of amateur astronomers is your opinion. I'm just offering mine in return. By all means, keep spouting yours though, it makes you look like an idiot.

LOL! I think there are drugs for that level of paranoia.

LOL, we were specifically talking about buried threads, so unless you're changing the subject you're insisting that buried threads are part of a conspiracy. Yes, it's my opinion that it's a worthless and ridiculous claim, but by all means persist in it. It's one of those entertainingly hilarious responses of yours.

LMFAO!! That is the most idiotic thing I've heard all day. Telling you I don't believe in your particular beliefs and that I don't care what you choose to believe is a contradiction? You're absolutely out of your mind buddy.

Well I don't believe in your particular beliefs and I don't care that you hold those beliefs. I know you're close minded, so I place no personal stock in what you choose to believe. Instead I will simply counter your irrational beliefs. There's no contradiction there. I guess you just can't get it through your thick head that someone might not care about you personally.

Yet you still make claims about its existence. Claims can be debunked even when the claimant submits no supporting evidence.

You asked me what I've debunked up to this point. If you wanted me to be more specific to this particular thread you should have said so. As it was I kept it to Nibiru-related topics. Even more specifically, myself and others debunked Nancy's bullshit photos which is what started this whole thread. Apparently she doesn't know what the diamond ring effect is and thinks it's Planet X. She doesn't even know how to recognize a fake photo.

Great for you, I don't give a shit. Most people do (think of it as a bad thing), and those people are liable to harm themselves if they think their doom is imminent.

Wow, now THERE'S a contradiction. Heaven's Gate thought a spacecraft tailing Hale-Bopp was their connection to the Kingdom of Heaven. Deja Vu. But whatever, you go on thinking whatever kooky thing you want.

Heavens-gate was against suicide as well, but at the end they said it was the only way to evacuate earth.

LMFAO! Right.

Again, my interest is not in you personally.

You insist on making everything personal, but honestly I don't care. I'm done trying to explain that I don't give a shit what you personally believe. If you choose to believe that I do care then that's your choice too. I don't even care that you think I care.

You say that like you think I care what you conclude about me. If you want to think that go right ahead, I don't even care about that misconception any more. I'm not surprised that you hear "rumors" about me. Apparently I'm a 2nd lieutenant in the air force and/or I'm a government computer program. There's plenty of defamation and misinformation out there about me. I guess I'm just glad that in being so desperate to out me as a shill everyone has missed the real me. Who knows what some of the lunatics would do if they knew where to 'hunt me down.'

Last Edited by Astromut on 07/20/2010 12:03 AM

Do you have anything useful to add to this Nibiru thread other than your above six words?

~Zeus

Hello Mary Lou...


All the recent quakes in the key areas that the Zetas mentioned..can't be long

I'ma ready

Planet X, you see, is a slow-mover.

She is incoming. She is. She's been incoming since..... Well, she has been incoming since... OK.. never mind.

She goes slow, yes she does. But she is incoming. She is.

She likes to play peek-a-boo around the Sun. Because, of course, as long as she stays hidden behind the Sun, then we cannot see her coming in!

But she is a slow planet. It is slow motion doom, if you like. Or even if you don't.

Planet X is slowly, slowly, slowly coming in.

Planet X is slow enough to be driving Miss Daisy

But honest to gosh, she is incoming. She is.. honest.

Just you wait and See!

The Zetas are right! Again.

Planet X is coming and that is that.

Good because I wasn't asking, so get out of my face already.



I will, and you'll keep responding with more name calling I'm sure.



Good, because you should start taking them. You seem really paranoid about the existence of Nibiru.



Well, look at the bright side, at least your getting a good laugh out of this "so called" Nibiru nonsense.



You must have missed The Commentators remarks then.



What I meant by contradicting is your putting stock in my beliefs and then you turn around and say "I don't care what you choose to believe", that would be a contradiction. That is precisely what you continue doing. You already knew that though, didn't you?




I'm beginning to understand what your intentions are. You seem to be awfully concerned about me being close minded. Thats twice that you've mentioned it in this post alone.




Yes, they were against suicide. That's a good point. How do you know that they weren't offed for knowing to much about Nibiru? That sounds more likely than them killing themselves to me.



Again, then why get personal in the first place? Such as the name calling?



Doesn't seem that way. Seems you do care about what I believe in. However if you are really done, then stop.





~Zeus

Last Edited by ~Brent~ on 07/20/2010 01:14 AM

God has full control of Nibiru, this planet of destruction, and when it is time, without any delay, it will suddenly appear between the Earth and the Sun and the three days of darkness will begin.

Thus sayeth the Lord through His prophet Elijah.


Many doubters will prove nothing. It is coming.

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The last one shows the moon and a spot of dust on the lens or CCD. 3D surface plot analysis shows the moon, the mountains and nothing else.

The first image has been proven not to be an image of the recent eclipse. It is a piece of "art work" (i.e., produced with a graphics program).

I look forward to seeing what you have to say in a year or so when "Planet X" fails to show up again. Let's be clear here - Nancy said it was going to happen in 2003 and it didn't. Then, for the past seven years she's given nothing but excuses as to why it failed to show up. Since 2005, she's been saying that 2012 is "too far out." Guess what? That's no longer the case. It's now just a mere year and four months away. And yet, none of you have any concrete and verifiable evidence to support your claims that some "rogue planet" is about to cause complete chaos on Earth. Instead, you and your fellow believers offer up the same weak "evidence" that you've been posting for the past seven years. You continue to make the same weak claims that there's some grand cover up...that astronomers the world over (both professional and amateur alike) are being controlled by the U.S. government. Funny how Nancy has already started to back pedal now that 2012 is no longer "too far out", claiming she never said the "pole shift" would happen before 2012. She's even stated that any claims she may have made are just part of yet another "white lie." Why people like you continue to believe and support someone who has to keep changing her story, and makes nothing but excuses and "white lies" is beyond me. So, by all means...continue believing in this "rogue planet." Keep in mind, however, the fact that, when challenged, all you can say is, "I don't have to prove anything" (a recurring theme among diehard believers) shows the weakness of your position. Considering how upset you believers get when "debunkers" dispute your claims, one would think that you'd want to prove us wrong and rub our noses in it. Apparently, none of you have that much faith in what Nancy says...or in the "evidence" she's provided over the years. So, we'll continue showing why her claims are wrong. Eventually, even you'll have to concede "Planet X" is nowhere near the sun and never has been. Nor was it just waiting for the right moment to pop out to rip Earth a new one.

BTW, here's more of that evidence you hate so much showing Nancy is wrong: The sun is rising later and later. It used to be light enough that I could start my morning bike ride at 5:00 a.m. That's not the case anymore. Now I have to wait until 10 or 15 minutes after. That means the Earth is not halted in orbit. Otherwise, the sun would continue to rise and set at the same time. Yeah, I know, you actually believe Nancy when she says some super powerful aliens are tilting the Earth back and forth. But that wouldn't make constellations visible that lie behind the sun for several months out of the year. Very soon, Orion will become visible in the early morning sky. Which can only happen if Earth is moving. No amount of tilting will make it possible.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 07/20/2010 07:16 AM

Another thing - how can "Planet X" be near the sun in one photo, but suddenly be near the moon in the other? This "planet" has amazing properties - able to zip about the solar system at will.

So Nancy crawls in under the door to post this bit of drivel, perhaps there is not enough attention on the "ning" for the worlds greatest nong!

Here´s your proof:
[link to viewzone2.com]

This article proves the "brown dwarf" G1.9 is not a brown dwarf. Care to read it, or will you dismiss it without reading?

Yes, Nibiru is coming, and theres nothing anyone can say or do to stop it.

Perhaps that's the reason for all of the de-bunkers frustration?

~Zeus

And your evidence is.......?

Non-existent.

None.

Nada.

WOW! The retardation continues on and on and on and on and on and on and on...

No. You are INCAPABLE of proving anything since you have NO EVIDENCE AT ALL.




No again.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"This burden of proof is often asymmetrical and typically falls more heavily on the party that makes either an ontologically positive claim, or makes a claim more "extraordinary",[4] that is farther removed from conventionally accepted facts."

The discussion of the burdon of proof on those who believe faires exist vs. those who do not at the bottom of that page is very relavent to the px debate.

The burdon of proof is squarely on YOU.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The fallacy of argument from ignorance
The fallacy of argument from ignorance (sometimes known as demanding negative proof[citation needed]) is a fallacy of asserting that a claim is true as long as it has not been refuted. In other words, X is not proven simply because "not X" cannot be proven. This is related to the burden of proof, because one is placing the burden on the refutation, rather than on the proof of the assertion.

Examples in science
As a general rule, the less coherent and less embedded within conventional knowledge a claim appears, the heavier the burden of proof lies on the person asserting the claim. The scientific consensus on cold fusion is a good example. The majority of physicists believe cold fusion is not possible, since it would force the alteration or abandonment of a great many other tested and generally accepted theories about nuclear physics.

Wow, getting a bit pissed off I see. Just because I don't care what you believe doesn't mean I'll stop debunking you.

I'm just telling it like it is.

How can I be paranoid about an object I know does not exist? I'm not the one claiming that "buried threads" are part of a conspiracy. THAT is paranoia.

I just told you I wasn't. This is why I say you're out of your mind; someone tells you something so you take it to mean just the opposite of what they just told you. I gave up even caring that you understand my intentions though, and besides, it makes you look like more of an idiot and discredits you.

Wow, your stupidity knows no bounds. Nevermind that the ones who didn't go through with it talk openly about the group's final intentions and how they're happy for their fellow cultists who had the will to kill themselves, you will handwave away literally any evidence that you're wrong.

WTF? I'm not going to bite my tongue because I don't care about your beliefs, if anything that means I'm more likely to speak freely about what I think of you. If I cared about you personally I wouldn't insult you and risk offending you. If you can't stand the heat, too bad.

I'm sure your ego will make sure you continue believing that.

LOL, just because I don't care what you choose to believe does not mean I won't continue to debunk you. I'm sure you want me to stop talking, but then again why would you if you weren't here to convince anyone?

Last Edited by Astromut on 07/20/2010 09:58 AM

No, not on GLP. However, that still doesn't change the fact that I have seen this happen elsewhere.



When a video titled "Naked eye Nibiru" gets deleted five minutes after being posted on youtube.............that is proof of the truth being hidden.



The defensive portion of this whole thing is coming from the other side, not me. I have nothing to defend. As far as the criticism side of it all,it shouldn't even be going on. To criticize someone for their beliefs is juvenile and very desperate to say the least. I saw right through what was going on from the beginning. Someone comes along i.e. The Commentator, and throws all sorts of vile insults my way with the hopes that when Astronut comes along I Zeus, will be easy pickings. The hope was that I would be so pissed off that by the time Astronut arrived I wouldn't be able to see straight. The whole thing was really quite pathetic. All I can say on they're behalf is........ better luck next time.




When it comes to Nibiru, the proof does work like that. If there wasn't obvious attempt's to hide the truth on the subject of Nibiru, I might be inclined to see it another way. You see, Nibiru is a unique situation. People choose to be burdened by it and only they (the ones making that choice) can change that. Not me.



I don't see Nibiru as a negative. In fact, Nibiru is as about as positive as it gets.




Lame indeed. I have had several thrown my way throughout the course of this thread.

~Zeus