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Who or what is lucifer? (Light Bearer/bringer)

 
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Blood drip the veins
Warm down fallen tresses
Blood stains the pale cool parched lungs
Bloody upon the new fallen wisdom
Bloody collision of mindless faiths

Warm
I'm on a nine day fall
I Luciferi
Warm
I'm only half-way warm
I Luciferi

Blood touch the lips
Flow down hot like whiskey
Moon burning red in place of the sun
Insolent wisdom denied through the aeons
I Luciferi, resistance of one
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I've heard so many stories throughout my life regarding this 'lucifer'. Some say he is good some say he is evil. Some say he was satan before he feel. Some say he never fell, some say he fell because he wouldn't give up his chair to God, whom was tired. Some say he was herme's bestfriend, who would exchange philosophy with him often. Others say he is the bringer of knowledge and wisdom, and innocence. Other say he is the problem, as lucifuge flees from him. Others say he is a brother to Paymon/Paimon, who is in charge of protecting 2 kings. Others believe he was the original human being, who's home/world got blown up. Others believe he was a philosopher, eons ago, who in an world free of harm and danger and doubt, thought another way of living up (nonconforming to his), and imagined a life different from his, innocently (since it was all his imagination) he got caught up in his own whirlwind. Some say the whirlwind was started up by Satan (According to jesus Satan is nothing without lucifer) to fulfill his master plan, some think it was started by his Father, to show him a lesson. Others say he was Jesus, other say he was a babylonian king. Throughout all this confusion, who is lucifer. There are so many stories regarding this being, share some of your stories and opinion...


I will give you a gift of what the followers of Lucifer think about him. Maybey you can join if you want to or maybe, maybe you will understand and see the truth
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wheres the gift?
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I've heard so many stories throughout my life regarding this 'lucifer'. Some say he is good some say he is evil. Some say he was satan before he feel. Some say he never fell, some say he fell because he wouldn't give up his chair to God, whom was tired. Some say he was herme's bestfriend, who would exchange philosophy with him often. Others say he is the bringer of knowledge and wisdom, and innocence. Other say he is the problem, as lucifuge flees from him. Others say he is a brother to Paymon/Paimon, who is in charge of protecting 2 kings. Others believe he was the original human being, who's home/world got blown up. Others believe he was a philosopher, eons ago, who in an world free of harm and danger and doubt, thought another way of living up (nonconforming to his), and imagined a life different from his, innocently (since it was all his imagination) he got caught up in his own whirlwind. Some say the whirlwind was started up by Satan (According to jesus Satan is nothing without lucifer) to fulfill his master plan, some think it was started by his Father, to show him a lesson. Others say he was Jesus, other say he was a babylonian king. Throughout all this confusion, who is lucifer. There are so many stories regarding this being, share some of your stories and opinion...
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Lousy Translation of "Heylel."
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I've heard so many stories throughout my life regarding this 'lucifer'. Some say he is good some say he is evil. Some say he was satan before he feel. Some say he never fell, some say he fell because he wouldn't give up his chair to God, whom was tired. Some say he was herme's bestfriend, who would exchange philosophy with him often. Others say he is the bringer of knowledge and wisdom, and innocence. Other say he is the problem, as lucifuge flees from him. Others say he is a brother to Paymon/Paimon, who is in charge of protecting 2 kings. Others believe he was the original human being, who's home/world got blown up. Others believe he was a philosopher, eons ago, who in an world free of harm and danger and doubt, thought another way of living up (nonconforming to his), and imagined a life different from his, innocently (since it was all his imagination) he got caught up in his own whirlwind. Some say the whirlwind was started up by Satan (According to jesus Satan is nothing without lucifer) to fulfill his master plan, some think it was started by his Father, to show him a lesson. Others say he was Jesus, other say he was a babylonian king. Throughout all this confusion, who is lucifer. There are so many stories regarding this being, share some of your stories and opinion...


Lousy Translation of "Heylel."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 891582


Lucifer is not limited only to the judaic faith. Honestly many faiths believe in lucifer or in a light bearer...roman...greek...egyptian..You'd be amazed by the amount of stories and myths revolving around this being.
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you?

Very simply the Luciferian philosophy is,

"Adam and Eve were held prisoner in the bonds of ignorance by an unjust and vindictive God in the Garden of Eden. They were set free from their chains (Evolution through "Primordial Knowing") by Lucifer (Prometheus) through his agent Satan in the guise of a serpent (ancient symbol of Wisdom) with the gift of Intellect (Fire). Through the use of his intellect man will perfect the race (Anglo/Aryan) and will himself become God (promise of Satan to Adam and Eve)."
Any religion, church, organization, or People who believe they are God, will become God, or are becoming God is practicing the Luciferian philosophy of the Mystery Schools, and are acting in furtherance of the conspiracy.

The Luciferian philosophy is a metaphor for the development of the perfected man (Marxist/Leninist) through the process of evolution by learning how to dominate and control nature (called science). The result (they say) will be the apotheosis of the race of mankind and the elimination of all who cannot make this paradigm shift in the coming New Age. The Soviet Union was the most perfect expression of illuminist secular humanist philosophy that has ever been presented before the eyes of an ignorant but gullible public. Now they strive for enslavement of the human race in the new utopia. This will be brought about through deception, manipulation, and psychological operations which make up the art of illusion called magic.



Deification of Christians


John 17:22 says;
“And the glory which you gave me I have given them that they may be one just as we are one.”

Ephesians 5:1 says;
“Therefore be imitators of GOD.”

Galatians 2:20 says;
“It is no longer I who live but Christ lives in me.”

Colossians 3:11 says;
“Christ is all and in all.”

1 Corinthians 6:17 says;
“He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.”

1 Corinthians 12:27 says;
“Now you are the body of Christ.”

1 Corinthians 6:15 says;
“Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?

Galatians 3:27 says;
“All of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.”

1 John 2:20 says;
“But you have an anointing from the Holy one, and you know all.”

1 Corinthians 2:16 says;
“We have the mind of Christ.”

1 John 2:27 says;
“But as his anointing teaches you about all things and is true and not a lie.”

Revelations 3:21 says;
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne, as I also overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Ephesians 4:24 says;
“And put on the new self, which in the likeness of GOD has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.”

1 Corinthians 3:16 says;
“Do you not know that you are the temple of GOD and that the spirit of GOD dwells in you?”

2 Corinthians 6:16 says;
“For we are the temple of the living GOD; just as GOD has said. “I will dwell in them and walk among them…”

John 14:12 says;
“He who believes in me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do.”

Luke 10:16 says;
“The one who listens to you listens to me, and the one who rejects you rejects me.”

2 Corinthians 3:18 says;
“But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory…”

1 Corinthians 11:3 says;
“But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman; and GOD is the head of Christ.”

1 Corinthians 12:13 says;
“For in one spirit we were all baptized into one body.”

1 Corinthians 10:17 says;
“We, though many, are one body.”

Ephesians 2:22 says;
“You also are being built together into a dwelling of GOD in the spirit

Philippians 1:20 says;
“Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death.”

Hebrews 3:6 says;
“Christ was faithful as a son over his house- whose house we are…”

1 Corinthians 3:9 says;
“You are God’s field, God’s building…”

Ephesians 2:21-22 says;
“The whole building being fitted together, is growing into a Holy Temple in the Lord. In whom you are also being built together into a dwelling of GOD in the spirit.”

1 John 1:5 says;
“GOD is light.”

Matthew 5:14 says;
“You are the light of the world.”

John 20:23 says;
“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained

Psalm 51:1-2 says;
“Be gracious to me O GOD, according to your lovingkindness; according to the greatness of your compassion blot out my transgressions.”

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I agree with Cypher

of course we sell our souls in wanting to be godlike
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The Father of all lies.
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I've heard so many stories throughout my life regarding this 'lucifer'. Some say he is good some say he is evil. Some say he was satan before he feel. Some say he never fell, some say he fell because he wouldn't give up his chair to God, whom was tired. Some say he was herme's bestfriend, who would exchange philosophy with him often. Others say he is the bringer of knowledge and wisdom, and innocence. Other say he is the problem, as lucifuge flees from him. Others say he is a brother to Paymon/Paimon, who is in charge of protecting 2 kings. Others believe he was the original human being, who's home/world got blown up. Others believe he was a philosopher, eons ago, who in an world free of harm and danger and doubt, thought another way of living up (nonconforming to his), and imagined a life different from his, innocently (since it was all his imagination) he got caught up in his own whirlwind. Some say the whirlwind was started up by Satan (According to jesus Satan is nothing without lucifer) to fulfill his master plan, some think it was started by his Father, to show him a lesson. Others say he was Jesus, other say he was a babylonian king. Throughout all this confusion, who is lucifer. There are so many stories regarding this being, share some of your stories and opinion...
 Quoting: JustOne


This is exactly why you should consider very carefully if he is Good or Evil.

There is only one occurence of Jesus/Yeshua, yet many incarnations of Lucifer... which one is being more deceptive?

There will be your answer.
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by the way love is also an attribute of lucifer, since he maximized us in his heart.
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that's not love in the sense of compassion, in fact, it's not love at all, it is comparable to what Hitler felt for the Germans

this thread shows, especially in the positive remarks about lucifer, that luciferianism is best described by fascism
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I've heard so many stories throughout my life regarding this 'lucifer'. Some say he is good some say he is evil. Some say he was satan before he feel. Some say he never fell, some say he fell because he wouldn't give up his chair to God, whom was tired. Some say he was herme's bestfriend, who would exchange philosophy with him often. Others say he is the bringer of knowledge and wisdom, and innocence. Other say he is the problem, as lucifuge flees from him. Others say he is a brother to Paymon/Paimon, who is in charge of protecting 2 kings. Others believe he was the original human being, who's home/world got blown up. Others believe he was a philosopher, eons ago, who in an world free of harm and danger and doubt, thought another way of living up (nonconforming to his), and imagined a life different from his, innocently (since it was all his imagination) he got caught up in his own whirlwind. Some say the whirlwind was started up by Satan (According to jesus Satan is nothing without lucifer) to fulfill his master plan, some think it was started by his Father, to show him a lesson. Others say he was Jesus, other say he was a babylonian king. Throughout all this confusion, who is lucifer. There are so many stories regarding this being, share some of your stories and opinion...


This is exactly why you should consider very carefully if he is Good or Evil.

There is only one occurence of Jesus/Yeshua, yet many incarnations of Lucifer... which one is being more deceptive?

There will be your answer.
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yes, maybe this is why satanist attribute the angel of confusion and doubt to Lucifer. maybe not.
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by the way love is also an attribute of lucifer, since he maximized us in his heart.


that's not love in the sense of compassion, in fact, it's not love at all, it is comparable to what Hitler felt for the Germans

this thread shows, especially in the positive remarks about lucifer, that luciferianism is best described by fascism
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Jesus maximized us in his hearts, and he maximized our sins in his heart. So he let himself get nailed on the cross, to free us from our sins and to relief him of his heartache.
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he has 3 sets of spiked metal teeth, looks like the predetor from the predator movies and screams and laughs from the pits of hell when souls are thrown in his direction. I'd stay the F away from him if I were you.
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I've heard so many stories throughout my life regarding this 'lucifer'. Some say he is good some say he is evil. Some say he was satan before he feel. Some say he never fell, some say he fell because he wouldn't give up his chair to God, whom was tired. Some say he was herme's bestfriend, who would exchange philosophy with him often. Others say he is the bringer of knowledge and wisdom, and innocence. Other say he is the problem, as lucifuge flees from him. Others say he is a brother to Paymon/Paimon, who is in charge of protecting 2 kings. Others believe he was the original human being, who's home/world got blown up. Others believe he was a philosopher, eons ago, who in an world free of harm and danger and doubt, thought another way of living up (nonconforming to his), and imagined a life different from his, innocently (since it was all his imagination) he got caught up in his own whirlwind. Some say the whirlwind was started up by Satan (According to jesus Satan is nothing without lucifer) to fulfill his master plan, some think it was started by his Father, to show him a lesson. Others say he was Jesus, other say he was a babylonian king. Throughout all this confusion, who is lucifer. There are so many stories regarding this being, share some of your stories and opinion...
 Quoting: JustOne







[link to thehiddenlighthouse.blogspot.com]



Who or what is LUCIFER?


Lucifer

Roman - light.


Lucifer means LIGHT not light bringer
Try translating the words the original text

Devil means translate in greek "Diablos" = Rebal

Jesus was a rebel aginst the establishment

I brought wisdom and shed light on darkness

Try reading Jesus words only


Satan means/translate in greek = Satanos

Satanos = The Sanhedron

Satanos also is a Double edged sword meaning duality


Mason are thrives of wisdom and put up stumbling blocks knowingly like your doeing in ignorance


They hide what? You your self is what they hide the self


Why? Selfs cannot be controled


Now look in my eyes and you will see who I am. I have brought you light to your ignorant darkness.


My name is Lucifer please take my hand!


For anyone having ears to hear, let them hear what Light says


Lucifer is a Latin word, literally meaning "light-bearer", that was used as a name for the "day star" or "Morning Star" that precedes the rising of the sun. Notice that the morning star proceeds the rising sun, this is significant, because this I believe that this why the ancients chose Venus as an association of Lucifer. because first the light in you must rise (venus, lucifer), then you become the risen sun/son of man, the renewed mind.


Jesus, Satan, the Devil, the Divine Ego that fell from from it's heavenly state above, and found itself immersed in material poverty (the physical body).


Whoever cannot find a temple in his heart, the same can never find his heart in any temple - Mikhail Naimy (The Book of Mirdad)
Do you deny me the entrance to heaven, I who have at last learned the mystery of myself - (Egyptian Mystery School Phrase)


II Timothy 4:3, 4

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lucifer is the cheeseburger bringer!

nuff said.

he makes good cheeseburgers.

jesus makes good tacos.
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He is just another brand of the same product...

God VS Satan it's a marketing trick as Coca Cola VS Pepsi... they belong to the same shareholders and they only want you to buy their product (take off your energy...we eat food, they eat energy)

so Coke or Pepsi ?

I'm going for some fresh water
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I've heard so many stories throughout my life regarding this 'lucifer'. Some say he is good some say he is evil. Some say he was satan before he feel. Some say he never fell, some say he fell because he wouldn't give up his chair to God, whom was tired. Some say he was herme's bestfriend, who would exchange philosophy with him often. Others say he is the bringer of knowledge and wisdom, and innocence. Other say he is the problem, as lucifuge flees from him. Others say he is a brother to Paymon/Paimon, who is in charge of protecting 2 kings. Others believe he was the original human being, who's home/world got blown up. Others believe he was a philosopher, eons ago, who in an world free of harm and danger and doubt, thought another way of living up (nonconforming to his), and imagined a life different from his, innocently (since it was all his imagination) he got caught up in his own whirlwind. Some say the whirlwind was started up by Satan (According to jesus Satan is nothing without lucifer) to fulfill his master plan, some think it was started by his Father, to show him a lesson. Others say he was Jesus, other say he was a babylonian king. Throughout all this confusion, who is lucifer. There are so many stories regarding this being, share some of your stories and opinion...


Lousy Translation of "Heylel."

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I'm shocked.

In four pages full of rhetoric and intricate detail, ONLY ONE OTHER PERSON was willing to spill the actual beans.

Lucifer is actually Heylel.

Heylel = son of dawn

Heylel's father = god of dawn (Shachar)
Shacar's brother = god of dusk (Shalim)

Isaiah chose to call his mortal enemy Son of Shachar (Heylel) (later "Lucifer")

A reading of Isaiah 14;16 confirms Lucifer as being a man who is visible.

Simple logic and a read of Isaiah 14 reveals Lucifer to be none other than...

...THE WHITE RACE.
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An angel divides himself in soulgroups. Soulgroups divide themselves in individual souls. Individual souls incarnate in several bodies at the same time.

So almost all the individuals in this Earth are only one angel: Lucifer
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I've heard so many stories throughout my life regarding this 'lucifer'. Some say he is good some say he is evil. Some say he was satan before he feel. Some say he never fell, some say he fell because he wouldn't give up his chair to God, whom was tired. Some say he was herme's bestfriend, who would exchange philosophy with him often. Others say he is the bringer of knowledge and wisdom, and innocence. Other say he is the problem, as lucifuge flees from him. Others say he is a brother to Paymon/Paimon, who is in charge of protecting 2 kings. Others believe he was the original human being, who's home/world got blown up. Others believe he was a philosopher, eons ago, who in an world free of harm and danger and doubt, thought another way of living up (nonconforming to his), and imagined a life different from his, innocently (since it was all his imagination) he got caught up in his own whirlwind. Some say the whirlwind was started up by Satan (According to jesus Satan is nothing without lucifer) to fulfill his master plan, some think it was started by his Father, to show him a lesson. Others say he was Jesus, other say he was a babylonian king. Throughout all this confusion, who is lucifer. There are so many stories regarding this being, share some of your stories and opinion...


Lousy Translation of "Heylel."



I'm shocked.

In three pages full of rhetoric and intricate detail, ONLY ONE OTHER PERSON was willing to spill the actual beans.

Lucifer is actually Heylel.

Heylel = son of dawn

Heylel's father = god of dawn (Shachar)
Shacar's brother = god of dusk (Shalim)

Isaiah chose to call his mortal enemy Son of Shachar (Heylel) (later "Lucifer")

A reading of Isaiah 14:16 confirms Lucifer as being a man who is visible.

Simple logic and a reading of Isaiah 14 reveals Lucifer to be none other than...

...THE WHITE RACE.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1037821


Fixed
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lucifer is this, lucifer is that. too much "isms" and very little holistic thinking.

understand that every single post here adds to the equation. one interpretation does not automatically exclude the other.
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lucifer is this, lucifer is that. too much "isms" and very little holistic thinking.

understand that every single post here adds to the equation. one interpretation does not automatically exclude the other.
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You can dance around it if you want to.

The word appears one time in the book of Isaiah.

Read it.

Apply the extraneous information provided in the post above yours.

Even without it, you'd have to be blind not to acknowledge who and what is being described.
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your post is one of the big ones -> a big piece of the jigsaw. but the picture isn't complete until every single piece has been collected and put on the SAME PLACE. we use too much time looking for individual pieces and not enough time unifying the pieces we already got.
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it makes no sense though. The melchizadeks....the history of lucifer is much older than king melchizadek.


The lack os sense is your misunderstanding of time/space sequence. A Melchizedek came down and because likened to men, but he was still a Melchizedek a group of higher spiritualzed beings.

Lucifer, is also a being, but of a different type, one that can fail themselves and others. Lucifer was in place over several worlds, Satan was in place over a couple under Lucifer and "the devil" was the planetary prince that was thrown out upon the advent of christ.

As I've said. You can know all the Universal History if you're only willing to listen to the spirit of truth within yourself rather then look for something to misunderstand. The choice is yours.
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Jesus is Lucifer, no different than the morning star or the evening star, it is Venus. And the devil does not exist, it is spelt lived backwards for a reason. if you live a backwards life, you are evil, if you have lived a backwards life, then you are the devil. Jesus/Lucifer has a counterpart and that is Satan/Santa. One positive, one negative. There can not be one without the other. All things have negative and positive in this world. Without a negative and positive this earth and the physical reality would not exist. You would not be here to read this, so we need both the neg and pos to be in experience in this reality. I guess one way to explain this from the old testament is the Lord of Hosts is Jesus/Lucifer and The Man From The East is Satan/Santa. wtf
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your post is one of the big ones -> a big piece of the jigsaw. but the picture isn't complete until every single piece has been collected and put on the SAME PLACE. we use too much time looking for individual pieces and not enough time unifying the pieces we already got.
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wise of you...this is what i'm trying to do. I feel as if i got various pieces of the puzzle now im just trying to put them together.





Many luciferians believe jesus to be lucifer. Jesus said he was the light, and morning star himself. So they say he must be lucifer. Original luciferianism, was to stop man from ignorance, and notice the unwanted influence of others within them. These men strived for the light, but also acknowledged that there was darkness. They tried to spread as much knowledge among eachother, many of the knowledge was hidden in sayings, in quotes, in riddles, in rhetorical verses, poetry, and etc. the purpose of every individual was to clearly think out, pick out and decipher the true answer to every verse and question, which a man with subtle mind and reasoning can do, not so different than what jesus did with his apostles. But to answer every question correctly, there is something you must do, that will change you, and will make you look like the odd one.
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beings who found the answer, were not to tell the answer, but must have helped others try to get it right, with further teachings. Some were so clouded in darkness that they never got the answer right, or just didnt externally agree that it was the correct choice per se', but internally believed it was the correct one. Basically they influenced others with wisdom, they truly did not believe in, which is one of the signs of a 'snake'. Influence is a strong power, if not the strongest. You see alchemists influenced lead to turn into gold. Same way you can influence a bad person to turn into a decent one, and vise versa. So they say out of one brotherhood or idea, came out two, the evil ones were the snakes, who defied men into ignorance and confusion and doubt. Why? you ask. Because ignorant and/or confused and/or doubtful people have one thing in common, they are easy to control. a strong influence is a solid control.
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that is the power of the lie
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Re: Who or what is lucifer? (Light Bearer/bringer)
Three pages and it is obvious everyone is inventing stuff up. If you read the bible you would know who he is.
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The brother of Yahweh/Jehovah. They are fighting like children over humans.

Consider the Job story. Lucifer tries to make Jehovah's lackey lose heart. Yahweh, being the nice guy he is, even lets Lucifer kill Job's family.

Then, because Job refused to give up his obsessive worship, Yahweh replaces his family. Because you know, wife and rugrats-- one's as good as another.

They're a couple of spoiled little twats fighting with each other. Yahweh's army was bigger, thus slaughtered more of Lucifer's followers. So we're stuck with Yahweh followers.

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

All either of them want is to get people hating the other one. Like parents in a divorce using the kids' feelings to get even with each other.

Childish little brats is what they both are.
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I think people most often get Lucifer mixed up with Satan and mix them both up with Shemjaza and the Grigori from the apocryphal (yet still mentioned in cannon) Book of Enoch the Prophet.

The story of Shemjaza falls shortly before the flood, Enoch was Noah's grandfather and the "giants and monster" mentioned were the result of the coupling of Grigori and humans.
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I already knew that you were a Satanist (Luciferian if you prefer), but thank you for the affirmation.


Some fools might get mad at them for their errors. However keep in mind this is a very sad thing. They wish to believe the father of lies as if he were a "freedom fighter". If anyone is to blame it is the christians.


I never said I was worshipping such entity or being. I have read bible couple of times myself, I was just pointing obvious flaws. Most people think it is ok if God slaughters babies and his servants if they dont obey him...they dont even think twice about it. Because they think it is his right to do so because he is !"SUPREME BEING" lol...
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To be fair, you should keep in mind that the Bible is an ancient text. To accuse it of anything immoral is like accusing a person, and convicting them, without allowing any defense, since the authors and compilers are all long dead and can't defend themselves.

If you say it sounds immoral to you- then so be it, but you have to understand that some day we will also be on trial by future generations, and won't look so good to them either. Ancient texts are by definition torn out of their natural social context, torn out of their natural linguistic context, and thrust into the present time without the author here to explain and defend his work.

Your accusations would be absolutely thrown out of any courtroom if it were a person standing trial.
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