Does anybody here actually understand the implications of there existing an All-Powerful Creator?

Ishmaelites are not the chosen seed for the calling.


Allah does not look at lineage on the Day of Judgment. Allah looks at good character, good deeds, and most importantly, him who professes true monotheism. All else is irrelevant if the latter is not present.

John 14:6 (King James Version)

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Ishmaelites are not the chosen seed for the calling.Allah does not look at lineage on the Day of Judgment. Allah looks at good character, good deeds, and most importantly, him who professes true monotheism. All else is irrelevant if the latter is not present.

John 14:6 (King James Version)

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



you quote from the bible yet you don't understand what it is telling you.

Jesus was the way-- he lived a good life so follow is life is way.

Jesus preached the truth the original bible that came to him, so obey what he preached to you.

and if you obey his truth and follow his ways you will get life in paradise.

The Father is the One who sent Jesus so to obey and follow Jesus you please the Father. And this goes for all the other prophets/messengers they were the way and the truth to their people. Meaning The Creator send them to guide their people to the truth. That's why prophets/messengers came with scriptures to teach the people.

Typical canned response.
You did not really answer my question.

Islam prmotes violence and muhammad was a war lord.

This is typical with organized religions. The catholics do this as well.


However, being a True Christian is NOT organized religion but simply a RELATIONSHIP with Christ.

In having a relationship with Christ, one becomes more like CHrist, and is able to be a more loving person.

I still do not see you anwered the question of islam's brutality.

I can give you more examples of the killing that goes on across the world in the name of your allah.
In fact, this killing is not subsiding but getting worse and is on the increase.

Like I stated earlier, being a true Christian is not going to church on SUN-day but just having a relationship with Christ. period.

I see ALL other religions as organized and full of canned responses like the ones you have.

Laws. Organized religion...as yours is ful of laws.


Christ did not pass laws when HE was here the first time. If your religion indeed does believe in the return of CHRIST, then you have this part correct.

CHirst himself if going to return. Just CHrist. He is God and does not need any help in establishing his kingdom on earth.

Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”


Again, Islamic jurisprudence does not advocate any convert-or-die policy. The only exception where an enemy may be forced to submit or convert to Islam is on the battlefield, which is what the Qur'anic verses you have quoted pertain to. If a martial struggle ensues, then obviously the rules are different in that circumstance. In fact, if one were forced to submit or covert to Islam on the battlefield, then that is actually a form of mercy, not oppression, because it gives the enemy an out. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was not a war monger, he sought to establish peace treaties and disliked bloodshed. There are 20 million Arab Christians living in Muslim majority countries.

One can put the evidence directly into your face and you STILL have something to counter with it. Amazing.

Just on the battlefield? I dont believe you, sorry.

islam is a violent belief system, no doubt about it.

These are taken from the qu'ran (sp), and there is no reference to battlefield in them. Perhaps only one.

What about the examples I showed you of the poor villagers who are routinely killed by maurading muslims.?
These examples are from Africa, but I can also find so many in so many countries throughout the world. Indonesian is also getting very bad.

Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”


Again, Islamic jurisprudence does not advocate any convert-or-die policy. The only exception where an enemy may be forced to submit or convert to Islam is on the battlefield, which is what the Qur'anic verses you have quoted pertain to. If a martial struggle ensues, then obviously the rules are different in that circumstance. In fact, if one were forced to submit or covert to Islam on the battlefield, then that is actually a form of mercy, not oppression, because it gives the enemy an out. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was not a war monger, he sought to establish peace treaties and disliked bloodshed. There are 20 million Arab Christians living in Muslim majority countries.

One can put the evidence directly into your face and you STILL have something to counter with it. Amazing.

Just on the battlefield? I dont believe you, sorry.

islam is a violent belief system, no doubt about it.

These are taken from the qu'ran (sp), and there is no reference to battlefield in them. Perhaps only one.

What about the examples I showed you of the poor villagers who are routinely killed by maurading muslims.?
These examples are from Africa, but I can also find so many in so many countries throughout the world. Indonesian is also getting very bad.



Is that what the media tells you that "islam is a violent belief system?' I see you only read the chapter about war but I guess you didn't read other chapters, there are chapters about the prophets from other scriptures and about Mary the mother of Jesus there is a chapter about mercy. Many chapters about living a good life and doing good deeds.

Guess the media will not say the good about islam because the people behind the media have an agenda. To make Islam look bad and for people to hate it and hate muslims. In this forum I see many people have fall for the brainwashing of the media. I thought people are awake but in all truth they are still asleep.

no man should speak any word unless he has something good to say.

Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”


Again, Islamic jurisprudence does not advocate any convert-or-die policy. The only exception where an enemy may be forced to submit or convert to Islam is on the battlefield, which is what the Qur'anic verses you have quoted pertain to. If a martial struggle ensues, then obviously the rules are different in that circumstance. In fact, if one were forced to submit or covert to Islam on the battlefield, then that is actually a form of mercy, not oppression, because it gives the enemy an out. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was not a war monger, he sought to establish peace treaties and disliked bloodshed. There are 20 million Arab Christians living in Muslim majority countries.

One can put the evidence directly into your face and you STILL have something to counter with it. Amazing.

Just on the battlefield? I dont believe you, sorry.

islam is a violent belief system, no doubt about it.

These are taken from the qu'ran (sp), and there is no reference to battlefield in them. Perhaps only one.

What about the examples I showed you of the poor villagers who are routinely killed by maurading muslims.?
These examples are from Africa, but I can also find so many in so many countries throughout the world. Indonesian is also getting very bad.



Is that what the media tells you that "islam is a violent belief system?' I see you only read the chapter about war but I guess you didn't read other chapters, there are chapters about the prophets from other scriptures and about Mary the mother of Jesus there is a chapter about mercy. Many chapters about living a good life and doing good deeds.

Guess the media will not say the good about islam because the people behind the media have an agenda. To make Islam look bad and for people to hate it and hate muslims. In this forum I see many people have fall for the brainwashing of the media. I thought people are awake but in all truth they are still asleep.

The villagers in Indonesian and Africa, that are raped, burned killed for following another relilion be it, Chritianity or African tribal religions, do the islamists read their chapters on mercy and doing Good before they kill and mutilate the villagers?

I think you need to wake up.

In case no one has noticed. There is spiritual warfare going on in this world now.

The end times. God predicted it. Read the Book of Revelation in the BIBLE.

Spiritual warfare with evil wickedness in very high places.

satan has little time left.

satan chose ISLAM as his end time religion with possibly a mixture of others, because of its ability to cause many of its followers to untold violence and brutality.

Those who follow islam, some are perhaps NOT prone to violence. But many are.
May attempt to white wash islam and say it is a religion of peace. But this is a BIG lie perpetrated by the

FATHER of all lies....satan himself.

Like I said...This is spiritaul warfare.

Do not be decieved Christ said,...for in the end times....many will try to decieve you.

This is the patience of the saints.....

Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”


Again, Islamic jurisprudence does not advocate any convert-or-die policy. The only exception where an enemy may be forced to submit or convert to Islam is on the battlefield, which is what the Qur'anic verses you have quoted pertain to. If a martial struggle ensues, then obviously the rules are different in that circumstance. In fact, if one were forced to submit or covert to Islam on the battlefield, then that is actually a form of mercy, not oppression, because it gives the enemy an out. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was not a war monger, he sought to establish peace treaties and disliked bloodshed. There are 20 million Arab Christians living in Muslim majority countries.

One can put the evidence directly into your face and you STILL have something to counter with it. Amazing.

Just on the battlefield? I dont believe you, sorry.

islam is a violent belief system, no doubt about it.

These are taken from the qu'ran (sp), and there is no reference to battlefield in them. Perhaps only one.

What about the examples I showed you of the poor villagers who are routinely killed by maurading muslims.?
These examples are from Africa, but I can also find so many in so many countries throughout the world. Indonesian is also getting very bad.



Is that what the media tells you that "islam is a violent belief system?' I see you only read the chapter about war but I guess you didn't read other chapters, there are chapters about the prophets from other scriptures and about Mary the mother of Jesus there is a chapter about mercy. Many chapters about living a good life and doing good deeds.

Guess the media will not say the good about islam because the people behind the media have an agenda. To make Islam look bad and for people to hate it and hate muslims. In this forum I see many people have fall for the brainwashing of the media. I thought people are awake but in all truth they are still asleep.

The villagers in Indonesian and Africa, that are raped, burned killed for following another relilion be it, Chritianity or African tribal religions, do the islamists read their chapters on mercy and doing Good before they kill and mutilate the villagers?

I think you need to wake up.



We don't know why exactly those people are being killed and mutilated. The media can say anything they want and you believe it. Anything that has to do with Islam you will believe anything you hear and read. If the media say Islam is violent then show you a video clip of some people being killed and tortured you will believe it. You are the one who is still asleep. Muslims know who is running the show and who wants to rule the world. They will achieve this by any means. You really need to wake up before its to late for you.

Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”


Again, Islamic jurisprudence does not advocate any convert-or-die policy. The only exception where an enemy may be forced to submit or convert to Islam is on the battlefield, which is what the Qur'anic verses you have quoted pertain to. If a martial struggle ensues, then obviously the rules are different in that circumstance. In fact, if one were forced to submit or covert to Islam on the battlefield, then that is actually a form of mercy, not oppression, because it gives the enemy an out. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was not a war monger, he sought to establish peace treaties and disliked bloodshed. There are 20 million Arab Christians living in Muslim majority countries.

One can put the evidence directly into your face and you STILL have something to counter with it. Amazing.

Just on the battlefield? I dont believe you, sorry.

islam is a violent belief system, no doubt about it.

These are taken from the qu'ran (sp), and there is no reference to battlefield in them. Perhaps only one.

What about the examples I showed you of the poor villagers who are routinely killed by maurading muslims.?
These examples are from Africa, but I can also find so many in so many countries throughout the world. Indonesian is also getting very bad.



Is that what the media tells you that "islam is a violent belief system?' I see you only read the chapter about war but I guess you didn't read other chapters, there are chapters about the prophets from other scriptures and about Mary the mother of Jesus there is a chapter about mercy. Many chapters about living a good life and doing good deeds.

Guess the media will not say the good about islam because the people behind the media have an agenda. To make Islam look bad and for people to hate it and hate muslims. In this forum I see many people have fall for the brainwashing of the media. I thought people are awake but in all truth they are still asleep.

The villagers in Indonesian and Africa, that are raped, burned killed for following another relilion be it, Chritianity or African tribal religions, do the islamists read their chapters on mercy and doing Good before they kill and mutilate the villagers?

I think you need to wake up.



We don't know why exactly those people are being killed and mutilated. The media can say anything they want and you believe it. Anything that has to do with Islam you will believe anything you hear and read. If the media say Islam is violent then show you a video clip of some people being killed and tortured you will believe it. You are the one who is still asleep. Muslims know who is running the show and who wants to rule the world. They will achieve this by any means. You really need to wake up before its to late for you.
What if a person knew of the truth because they knew people who were missionaries and saw the aftermath?
The media was not part of it?
What if this?

and perhaps we do know exaclty why those people were killed. They did not follow islam but were Christians.

Some were into African tribal religion.

There is truth and some dont need to watch media to find it.

In case no one has noticed. There is spiritual warfare going on in this world now.

The end times. God predicted it. Read the Book of Revelation in the BIBLE.

Spiritual warfare with evil wickedness in very high places.

satan has little time left.

satan chose ISLAM as his end time religion with possibly a mixture of others, because of its ability to cause many of its followers to untold violence and brutality.

Those who follow islam, some are perhaps NOT prone to violence. But many are.
May attempt to white wash islam and say it is a religion of peace. But this is a BIG lie perpetrated by the

FATHER of all lies....satan himself.

Like I said...This is spiritaul warfare.

Do not be decieved Christ said,...for in the end times....many will try to decieve you.

This is the patience of the saints.....


Are the militant verses in the Bible the word of God, yes or no? This is the second time I am asking. Peace.

Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”


Again, Islamic jurisprudence does not advocate any convert-or-die policy. The only exception where an enemy may be forced to submit or convert to Islam is on the battlefield, which is what the Qur'anic verses you have quoted pertain to. If a martial struggle ensues, then obviously the rules are different in that circumstance. In fact, if one were forced to submit or covert to Islam on the battlefield, then that is actually a form of mercy, not oppression, because it gives the enemy an out. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was not a war monger, he sought to establish peace treaties and disliked bloodshed. There are 20 million Arab Christians living in Muslim majority countries.

One can put the evidence directly into your face and you STILL have something to counter with it. Amazing.

Just on the battlefield? I dont believe you, sorry.

islam is a violent belief system, no doubt about it.

These are taken from the qu'ran (sp), and there is no reference to battlefield in them. Perhaps only one.

What about the examples I showed you of the poor villagers who are routinely killed by maurading muslims.?
These examples are from Africa, but I can also find so many in so many countries throughout the world. Indonesian is also getting very bad.



Is that what the media tells you that "islam is a violent belief system?' I see you only read the chapter about war but I guess you didn't read other chapters, there are chapters about the prophets from other scriptures and about Mary the mother of Jesus there is a chapter about mercy. Many chapters about living a good life and doing good deeds.

Guess the media will not say the good about islam because the people behind the media have an agenda. To make Islam look bad and for people to hate it and hate muslims. In this forum I see many people have fall for the brainwashing of the media. I thought people are awake but in all truth they are still asleep.

The villagers in Indonesian and Africa, that are raped, burned killed for following another relilion be it, Chritianity or African tribal religions, do the islamists read their chapters on mercy and doing Good before they kill and mutilate the villagers?

I think you need to wake up.



We don't know why exactly those people are being killed and mutilated. The media can say anything they want and you believe it. Anything that has to do with Islam you will believe anything you hear and read. If the media say Islam is violent then show you a video clip of some people being killed and tortured you will believe it. You are the one who is still asleep. Muslims know who is running the show and who wants to rule the world. They will achieve this by any means. You really need to wake up before its to late for you.
What if a person knew of the truth because they knew people who were missionaries and saw the aftermath?
The media was not part of it?
What if this?

and perhaps we do know exaclty why those people were killed. They did not follow islam but were Christians.

Some were into African tribal religion.

There is truth and some dont need to watch media to find it.

By the way..in the highlighted ...you are talking out of both sides of your mouth...did you realize this?

This is what I am saying. ISLAM is violent ...killing people in various parts of the world to try to rule the world.

ISLAM WANTS TO RULE THE world.
This is a spiritual warfare.

Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”


Again, Islamic jurisprudence does not advocate any convert-or-die policy. The only exception where an enemy may be forced to submit or convert to Islam is on the battlefield, which is what the Qur'anic verses you have quoted pertain to. If a martial struggle ensues, then obviously the rules are different in that circumstance. In fact, if one were forced to submit or covert to Islam on the battlefield, then that is actually a form of mercy, not oppression, because it gives the enemy an out. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was not a war monger, he sought to establish peace treaties and disliked bloodshed. There are 20 million Arab Christians living in Muslim majority countries.

One can put the evidence directly into your face and you STILL have something to counter with it. Amazing.

Just on the battlefield? I dont believe you, sorry.

islam is a violent belief system, no doubt about it.

These are taken from the qu'ran (sp), and there is no reference to battlefield in them. Perhaps only one.

What about the examples I showed you of the poor villagers who are routinely killed by maurading muslims.?
These examples are from Africa, but I can also find so many in so many countries throughout the world. Indonesian is also getting very bad.



Is that what the media tells you that "islam is a violent belief system?' I see you only read the chapter about war but I guess you didn't read other chapters, there are chapters about the prophets from other scriptures and about Mary the mother of Jesus there is a chapter about mercy. Many chapters about living a good life and doing good deeds.

Guess the media will not say the good about islam because the people behind the media have an agenda. To make Islam look bad and for people to hate it and hate muslims. In this forum I see many people have fall for the brainwashing of the media. I thought people are awake but in all truth they are still asleep.

The villagers in Indonesian and Africa, that are raped, burned killed for following another relilion be it, Chritianity or African tribal religions, do the islamists read their chapters on mercy and doing Good before they kill and mutilate the villagers?

I think you need to wake up.



We don't know why exactly those people are being killed and mutilated. The media can say anything they want and you believe it. Anything that has to do with Islam you will believe anything you hear and read. If the media say Islam is violent then show you a video clip of some people being killed and tortured you will believe it. You are the one who is still asleep. Muslims know who is running the show and who wants to rule the world. They will achieve this by any means. You really need to wake up before its to late for you.
What if a person knew of the truth because they knew people who were missionaries and saw the aftermath?
The media was not part of it?
What if this?

and perhaps we do know exaclty why those people were killed. They did not follow islam but were Christians.

Some were into African tribal religion.

There is truth and some dont need to watch media to find it.

By the way..in the highlighted ...you are talking out of both sides of your mouth...did you realize this?

This is what I am saying. ISLAM is violent ...killing people in various parts of the world to try to rule the world.

ISLAM WANTS TO RULE THE world.
This is a spiritual warfare.


What I see is USA military is all over the world and who is fighting a "war on terror" in other countries?? Who is placing puppet govts. in Islamic countries and other countries? Who is holding people in secret prisons and torturing them?? Man you talk just like the media. Go sit in a corner.

Yes. God is a jealous God.

Old Testament is full of Gods wrath.

Yes. God is a jealous God.

Old Testament is full of Gods wrath.


So why is Allah's Wrath objectionable in the Last Testament (Al-Qur'an), but it is appropriate in the Old Testament? Or do you find that Allah's Wrath is objectionable in the OT as well. Also, do you know who are the kind of victims of Allah's Wrath in the OT? Thank you for your time.

Yes. God is a jealous God.

Old Testament is full of Gods wrath.


So why is Allah's Wrath objectionable in the Last Testament (Al-Qur'an), but it is appropriate in the Old Testament? Or do you find that Allah's Wrath is objectionable in the OT as well. Also, do you know who are the kind of victims of Allah's Wrath in the OT? Thank you for your time.

God judges wickedness.

allah instructs for those to follow and if not ; kill

God judges wickedness. God gives those free will to follow.

Read the old Testament closely. God is judging those who are truely wicked.

Do you understand the implications of rejecting the only Savior sent to earth by this All Powerful Creator for your salvation and clensing of your sins and instead, believing in some demonic inspired pedo because yer daddy did?

Do you understand the implications of rejecting the only Savior sent to earth by this All Powerful Creator for your salvation and clensing of your sins and instead, believing in some demonic inspired pedo because yer daddy did?


I understand the implications of testifying that the Almighty Creator is One Lord, Who begets not, nor is He begotten. Peace be upon you.

Muslim by nature, I laugh at your religion. Why does your religion not recognize Jesus Christ as the son of God? Even though christianity and islam are very similar, you must accept Jesus Christ is the prophets of all prophets.


Well, I would not recommend laughing any person's religion, but to answer your question, the reason that I do not believe Jesus is the son of God is because I believe in tawheed (pure monotheism). Tawheed is the central message of all the Prophets and Messengers, includes the Messiah Jesus himself. We are instructed to believe that Allah is One and has no divine partners, which means no mother, son or daughter. Allah is One and Only one. It is very sacrilegious in Islam to say that Allah has begotten a son. That is why Allah revealed the following surah which confirms the message of the Prophets before Muhammad (peace be upon him):

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begets not nor is He begotten. And there is none equal to Him. (Surah Ikhlas)