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Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?

 
Anonymous Coward
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07/28/2010 06:20 PM
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Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
Here's my cases for both:

hive minds are superior

Civilization and culture would probably be impossible without a hive mind. Insects and certain animals almost certainly couldn't function efficiently without a hive mind.

individuals are superior

If it wasn't for individuals we'd probably still be in the stone age. Individuals are the great inventors, artists, and intellectuals who are capable of real innovation and insight. I don't think hive minds are capable of real innovation or insight.
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07/28/2010 06:22 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
Humanism or collectivism vs natural rights. The rights of the individual, sovereign individual, are supreme to the rights of the collective. The reason being is that the collective rights are always, always, manipulated by a select few for the many. They end up being controllers, manipulators, tyrants and enemies of humanity.
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07/28/2010 06:22 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
I agree with you, they are both as important. 50/50 if you suppress individuality you suppress creativity and self-development.
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07/28/2010 06:23 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
Individuals. Hive minded people are organically brain damaged. Literally.
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07/28/2010 06:27 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
Humanism or collectivism vs natural rights. The rights of the individual, sovereign individual, are supreme to the rights of the collective. The reason being is that the collective rights are always, always, manipulated by a select few for the many. They end up being controllers, manipulators, tyrants and enemies of humanity.
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You cant deny people are not social animals. But I understand your point.
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07/28/2010 06:28 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
I love that it was someone from China trying to convince us of the glorious benefits of the hive mind.

Yes, everything has its pros and cons, but please, let us not forget which one opens humanity up for substantial abuses of power. Once you have 'control' of the hive mind, who is to say that said control will be used to improve the standard of living of the entire 'hive'???
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07/28/2010 06:46 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
Far close
from source to source
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hive mind individuality
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07/28/2010 06:48 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
Individuals.

There is no progress, without the man or woman brave enough to stand out from the herd!

scream
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07/28/2010 06:48 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
I'll try again,

individuality means closer to source-----

hive mind means farther from source-----
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07/28/2010 06:54 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
The pack, the tribe and all those striveing to lead as the colective adherent leader.
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07/28/2010 06:55 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
I think we find the answer to this question in the philosophical implications of quantum mechanics. We find that a particle is both a discrete ("individual") entity while simultaneously being a non-discrete ("collective") wave spread out over the entire universe.
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07/28/2010 06:55 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
Many individuals self-destruct but the herd ALWAYS does.
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07/28/2010 07:02 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
I love that it was someone from China trying to convince us of the glorious benefits of the hive mind.

Yes, everything has its pros and cons, but please, let us not forget which one opens humanity up for substantial abuses of power. Once you have 'control' of the hive mind, who is to say that said control will be used to improve the standard of living of the entire 'hive'???
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charlie
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07/28/2010 07:10 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
who controls the "hive mind"????

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07/28/2010 07:11 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
"superior" is a human invention.
There is no such thing in nature.
There are many cycles.
There is a "web".
And there is constant change, "up" and "down", round and round.
What is "superior" in nature, the photon or the star?
Each has it's purpose and function in the whole picture, or better movie.
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07/29/2010 12:55 AM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
"superior" is a human invention.
There is no such thing in nature.
There are many cycles.
There is a "web".
And there is constant change, "up" and "down", round and round.
What is "superior" in nature, the photon or the star?
Each has it's purpose and function in the whole picture, or better movie.
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What about the concept of survival of the FITTEST? FITTEST sends superior to me?
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07/29/2010 12:27 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
"superior" is a human invention.
There is no such thing in nature.
There are many cycles.
There is a "web".
And there is constant change, "up" and "down", round and round.
What is "superior" in nature, the photon or the star?
Each has it's purpose and function in the whole picture, or better movie.


What about the concept of survival of the FITTEST? FITTEST sends superior to me?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051472

What means fit?
Do you really believe there is some kind of superior fitness fit for everything?
Fitness is constantly changing.
A shark may be the fittest in a special enviroment but certainly not on land.
Is ebola virus fitter and superior to you because it can kill you?.
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07/29/2010 12:34 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
There are no "individuals" in nature. There are only species.

You can only exist as an individual in relation to other individuals.

Individuals can only exist in groups.

Most individuals require something like a "society" to survive.

recent studies show human biology is as "hardwired" for care and empathy as violence and ambition.

Alone and without the Hive the individual wouldn't even recognize themselves.

The "individual" can only emerge from the "hive-mind"
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07/29/2010 12:34 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
"superior" is a human invention.
There is no such thing in nature.
There are many cycles.
There is a "web".
And there is constant change, "up" and "down", round and round.
What is "superior" in nature, the photon or the star?
Each has it's purpose and function in the whole picture, or better movie.


What about the concept of survival of the FITTEST? FITTEST sends superior to me?

What means fit?
Do you really believe there is some kind of superior fitness fit for everything?
Fitness is constantly changing.
A shark may be the fittest in a special enviroment but certainly not on land.
Is ebola virus fitter and superior to you because it can kill you?.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052165

We can kill a shark and control Ebola to a certain extent - ...
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07/29/2010 12:35 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
There are no "individuals" in nature. There are only species.

You can only exist as an individual in relation to other individuals.

Individuals can only exist in groups.

Most individuals require something like a "society" to survive.

recent studies show human biology is as "hardwired" for care and empathy as violence and ambition.

Alone and without the Hive the individual wouldn't even recognize themselves.

The "individual" can only emerge from the "hive-mind"
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bump

I agree.
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07/29/2010 12:57 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
There are no "individuals" in nature. There are only species.

You can only exist as an individual in relation to other individuals.

Individuals can only exist in groups.

Most individuals require something like a "society" to survive.

recent studies show human biology is as "hardwired" for care and empathy as violence and ambition.

Alone and without the Hive the individual wouldn't even recognize themselves.

The "individual" can only emerge from the "hive-mind"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 657383



Think of the question as if it appears on a spectrum - do you gravitate more toward the hive or the individual?
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07/29/2010 01:27 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
There are no "individuals" in nature. There are only species.

You can only exist as an individual in relation to other individuals.

Individuals can only exist in groups.

Most individuals require something like a "society" to survive.

recent studies show human biology is as "hardwired" for care and empathy as violence and ambition.

Alone and without the Hive the individual wouldn't even recognize themselves.

The "individual" can only emerge from the "hive-mind"



Think of the question as if it appears on a spectrum - do you gravitate more toward the hive or the individual?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1050078


ideally you strive for balance.

understanding your rights as an individual and empathizing with the needs of others as well.

"no man is an island" its that simple.

The 'individual' has been fetishized. Everyone is encouraged to think they are Rambo in need of nothing from anyone. How often in a day are we hailed as "individuals"?

What does it means when "everybody wants to be an individual"?

Extremist individualism is as delusional and dangerous as any collectivist enterprise.
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07/29/2010 01:53 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
There are no "individuals" in nature. There are only species.

You can only exist as an individual in relation to other individuals.

Individuals can only exist in groups.

Most individuals require something like a "society" to survive.

recent studies show human biology is as "hardwired" for care and empathy as violence and ambition.

Alone and without the Hive the individual wouldn't even recognize themselves.

The "individual" can only emerge from the "hive-mind"

bump

I agree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 847425


speak for yourself. i'm an individual in the fullest sense of the word.
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07/29/2010 01:55 PM
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Re: Which is superior in nature: individuals or hive minds?
Interstellar space ants with hive mind intelligence is by far the most superior of all killing machines.





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