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As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.

 
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As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
You'd think that something from "God" would at least be a quality piece of literature.

No doubt every man and his dog will run to its defense but really for the average person, and it seems for the most learned gentleman, it is so ambiguous that it can be taken to mean many many different things.

I would have thought that the God who created all things, that has amazing abilitied and intellect, through his Holy Spirit, could have managed a much better set of documents.

It merely serves to keep theologians arguing for milleniums about all the concepts possible.

There is hardly a doctrine that is clearly stated at all.

Even the Harry Potter books are written better on a literary scale than the Bible. In fact, they're written MUCH BETTER, in terms of literary scale.

The Bible is a slightly below average -- at best -- piece of written work.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
What qualities qualify a piece of writing as literature?
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
That would probably be because it has been cobbled together using much older pieces of Babylonian, Assyrian and Sumerian works.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
What qualities qualify a piece of writing as literature?
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Literature is basically a set of written works.

Not sure what you're asking?
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
That would probably be because it has been cobbled together using much older pieces of Babylonian, Assyrian and Sumerian works.
 Quoting: tiaka9

I think it is reasonable to say that the Bible is, in places at least, VERY poorly written. Often the grammar is ambiguous, other times it is just plain bad. That applies to both the OT and the NT, HOWEVER, we notice it less in the OT because our reconstructions of biblical hebrew grammar are based on the OT - we just don't have the same sorts of external documents to compare it to that we do for the greek texts.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
It's the "begat" parts that make me crazy. I can't past it!
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
It's the "begat" parts that make me crazy. I can't past it!
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I can't ^get^ past it.
bed
I will find you in the rhythm.

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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
king james was stupid.
Don't pollute yourself with 'diet'.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
Nietzsche made the same points as me --- as a slam. He said that if God were to write a book in Greek, he would have done it better.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
OP is full of shit.

It is so ambiguous that it can be taken to mean many many different things.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055184


This has no bearing on it being literature or not... have you read James Joyce?


There is hardly a doctrine that is clearly stated at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055184


Bullshit, there are the ten commandments, actual numbered rules!
Then there is all Jesus' less formal parable style of instruction.

Even the Harry Potter books are written better on a literary scale than the Bible. In fact, they're written MUCH BETTER, in terms of literary scale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055184


Do you have any idea how many "magic school" novels predate Harry Potter?
It's well written fiction but hardly literature.
The Bible is considered by its followers to be THE WORD OF A GOD!

Finally criticising the Bible in this manner is actually full of fail anyway because it is not a single book by a single author from a single period you pretentious TWAT!

So comparing it to Harry fucking Potter is called apples and fucking oranges.

It is multiple books, fragments, documents all written by many different hands over many centuries... If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know how stupid and completely invalid your criticism is.

Yours faithfully, an atheist.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
comparing apples to oranges OP.


What set of books, that are as old as 5,000 years, are better examples of literature?


the few that qualify with that standard couldn't touch the bible.


you want it to read like last month's reader's digest, and tell you that you can do whatever you want or you'll cry like a baby.

give me a break.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
OP is full of shit.


It is so ambiguous that it can be taken to mean many many different things.


This has no bearing on it being literature or not... have you read James Joyce?



There is hardly a doctrine that is clearly stated at all.


Bullshit, there are the ten commandments, actual numbered rules!
Then there is all Jesus' less formal parable style of instruction.


Even the Harry Potter books are written better on a literary scale than the Bible. In fact, they're written MUCH BETTER, in terms of literary scale.


Do you have any idea how many "magic school" novels predate Harry Potter?
It's well written fiction but hardly literature.
The Bible is considered by its followers to be THE WORD OF A GOD!

Finally criticising the Bible in this manner is actually full of fail anyway because it is not a single book by a single author from a single period you pretentious TWAT!

So comparing it to Harry fucking Potter is called apples and fucking oranges.

It is multiple books, fragments, documents all written by many different hands over many centuries... If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know how stupid and completely invalid your criticism is.

Yours faithfully, an atheist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1054212

I wonder if most academic theology is really centered upon working out what the original authors believed as much as it is preoccupied with its own sectarian and inherited historical concerns. And I doubt that lack of clarity is the fundamental issue that inspires these continuing disputes. It is an issue, but I don't think it THE issue.

That being said, it does not take away from the ambiguous, poorly contructed grammar.

Your post suggests, if nothing else, a great immaturity on your part. Control yourself if you'd like to discuss this with me, otherwise I'll ignore you and your inquiries.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
You'd think that something from "God" would at least be a quality piece of literature.

No doubt every man and his dog will run to its defense but really for the average person, and it seems for the most learned gentleman, it is so ambiguous that it can be taken to mean many many different things.

I would have thought that the God who created all things, that has amazing abilitied and intellect, through his Holy Spirit, could have managed a much better set of documents.

It merely serves to keep theologians arguing for milleniums about all the concepts possible.

There is hardly a doctrine that is clearly stated at all.

Even the Harry Potter books are written better on a literary scale than the Bible. In fact, they're written MUCH BETTER, in terms of literary scale.

The Bible is a slightly below average -- at best -- piece of written work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055184

At the times the various books were written they were probably the best the prevailing culture could produce. With time language, usage and that which was known changed. We have attempted to translate very old literature into modern language and conceptual thing, along with modern prejudice and modern euphemisms. Very likely much of the original intent and high language of the authors has been lost in that process.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
I would have thought....
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You're not thinking at all.

The books of Ecclesiastes and Psalms reads better than anything to date.

beautiful!
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
oops - conceptual thinking - sorry.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
That being said, it does not take away from the ambiguous, poorly contructed grammar.


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It was written to survive thousands of years and countless translations.

It succeded at that and the message still comes through.

Look at what just 100 years has done to "cool", "gay", "fat"


Again, offer another piece of literature that faced the same time/language obstacles that even comes close.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
It is cobbled together, from all sorts of surces, some better than others. People often point to the Psalms and the Book of Job as being very well done.

I prefer the old testament, with all the bloodshed and concubines and such.

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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
The books of Ecclesiastes and Psalms reads better than anything to date.

beautiful!
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Ecclesiastes very definitely qualifies as a literary work.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
comparing apples to oranges OP.


What set of books, that are as old as 5,000 years, are better examples of literature?


the few that qualify with that standard couldn't touch the bible.


you want it to read like last month's reader's digest, and tell you that you can do whatever you want or you'll cry like a baby.

give me a break.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055205

5000 years?

hardly.

Oldest estimates of the OT date it to about 1000 BC (plus or minus 100 yrs), around the time of Homer, who's literary prowess puts "God's Word" to shame.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
I see your from germany op....pfft it's no wonder your an atheist, Godless bunch.

Also have you ever considered the fact that the unregenerate man (such as yourself) can't understand the gospel?


1 Corinthians 2:14 (New Living Translation)
14 But people who arenít spiritual[a] canít receive these truths from Godís Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they canít understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.


The only way you can understand is if God himself opens your eyes, you can't do it.
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
the Bible can be a frustrating challenge -- there are many difficult sections

however, the essentials of Christianity can be gleaned fairly easily: our Creator came to earth as the Hebrew Messiah, lived a sinless life and performed many miracles, proclaimed Himself One with the Father God and was crucified by the Romans at the Jews' behest, He was buried and then resurrected the third day and was seen by the Apostles and hundreds more. He then ascended, promising to return; and sent the Holy Spirit to continue His work in and through us.

we enter the new covenant by admitting we are sinners and need reconciliation, we accept the free gift of salvation via belief in Jesus' one time substitutinary atonement, we believe on Him from our hearts and confess with our mouths Jesus is Lord -- we enter eternal life with Him, while we remain in this flesh sealed with His Holy Spirit we manifest fruits via several spiritual gifts He provides.

our main mission today in this age of the Gentiles is to preach the Gospel and make disciples. soon the dispensation of the fulness of times will be upon us and the time of Jacob's trouble will begin. God will finish up with the 70th week He has determined for His people.

meanwhile as ambassadors for Christ we preach the Word -- in season outof season and all the more as we see the Day approaching.

the Bible is the Story of Jesus Christ. He is foreshadowed and predicted in the old testament, His life is presented in the Gospels, and His purpose is explained in the epistles. Revelation wraps everything up with His ultimate triumph and rule at His fast approaching second advent, and shows how we continue forever with Him.

the Bible contains everything I need to know to live love serve and worship the Lord effectively. I no longer judge the Bible I humble myself and allow it to judge me

love peace and joy

rb
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Re: As far as literature goes, The Bible is a poorly written book.
Ecclesiastes very definitely qualifies as a literary work.
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Ecclesiastes is beautiful work. The writer Richard Brautigan was so enamored of Ecclesiastes that he once spent a summer counting and cataloguing all its punctuation marks (A Confedrate General in Big Sur).





GLP