If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat

Amused how worried the establishment get about low carb diets, and not surprisingly so, since when combined with high fat they have the potential to end the Big Pharma diabetes, heart disease, stroke, cancer, etc gravy train. This article had me chuckling more than any recent ones:

Warning about the dangers of low-carb diets
[link to www.964eagle.co.uk]

It starts off with the standard line warning about the dangers of low carb diets, then says:

"But we're being told missing out on vital nutrients can be dangerous.

Milford mum Jo Lamb went on a very low-calorie diet - she says there were side effects: "You get headaches, you feel a bit fluey, people vary in how they feel.

"Another thing is because you're drinking so much water you get very cold so it is all a bit peculiar.

"I know some people have lost their hair.""

Hmmm so when did a very low calorie diet come into it? So it's now a low carb diet then? Except of course by virtue of the person starving themselves and eating about half as many carbs as they normally would!

I eat as many damn calories as I need until I stop feeling hungry! What nutrients exactly would I miss out on when I now eat about 1200 calories a day more than when I was gaining weight? lol

Yeah, cut your calories and your hair will fall out!!!

Not only are saturated fats not a problem i.e. they are not associated with heart disease, an increasing number of studies are starting to show that REDUCING saturated fat intake actually INCREASES your chance of CVD (and even more for strokes). Here is one example:

Saturated Fat REDUCES risk of stroke and heart disease
[link to perfecthealthdiet.com]

"This study followed 58,453 Japanese adults, aged 40 to 79 at the start of the study, for 14.1 years. [1] The study found that higher saturated fat intake was associated with:

A 31% reduction in mortality from stroke
An 18% reduction in mortality from cardiovascular disease"

Eventually the truth will come out and people will realise the terrible crime against humanity that has been committed during the last 30-40 years.

Last Edited by Sc0rp10n on 09/06/2011 06:01 PM

And this is for those of you who really want to convince yourself that this is REALLY the case. Here are the associated research papers, the first from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the second from PubMed:

Dietary intake of saturated fatty acids and mortality from cardiovascular disease in Japanese: the Japan Collaborative Cohort Study for Evaluation of Cancer Risk Study?
[link to www.ajcn.org]

Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

And just to really bring the point home, here is the conclussion of the meta analysis:

"A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat."

Yes, read it and wonder at the HUGE LIE that you have been subjected to for the last 40 years!

And the second part of it is more telling about requiring more data to elucidate whether CVD risks are influenced by the nutrients used to replace saturated fat!

Those 2 nutrients are usually carbohydrates or polyunsaturated fats and these are driving the CVD and CHD epidemics in the world!

It is wrong to call it just a BIG LIE, this is institutionalised MASS MURDER!

I wouldn't want to smoke again primarily because it would make me a societal reject. After I quit I came down with Rheumatoid Arthritis. Now I take, you guessed it, sulfur pills to calm my immune system. If we have major doom and I can't get my meds, I'll have to remember that maybe I could get some cigs in barter to battle my problem.

The ONLY way I can lose weight and keep it off is by low carb. I have to reduce my calories by an unsafe amount to lose weight and it just messes with my metabolism. I can over eat and maintain my weight on low carb or eat sensably and still eat until full and lose on low carb. I get my sweet tooth taken care of with splenda as needed. I also eat a lot of sugar free pudding and cool whip. I try to stay away from aspertame as much as possible, though.

Thanks for your input and for sharing your experiences. I think you will find that after a year or two of eating this way the arthritis symptoms will start to ease because the ketogenic diet is essentially anti-inflammatory. They did with me. Resistance exercise also seems to help ... when I do weights any aches and pains I had before just melt away as the wonderful endorphins are released :)

I can understand your comments about smoking and being a societal reject. It is pretty awful the way they have played that one! I now see it as more of a rebellious expression .... it's one of the few ways left of protesting about the presumption that Governments 'own and control' our bodies. For me it has become a visible statement of the assertion of my independence! It is my decision to do it and the harder they make it, the more powerful as a protest it becomes!

I know what you mean about the unsafe calories needed to lose weight on a conventional diet. I struggled with that for nearly 20 years and reached the point that I could only eat about 600 calories and still lose a little weight.

Now, if I indulge (usually alcohol and lots of big back to back high protein meals - business or holidays), I can pare back my protein intake, increase my fat intake, for a few days and the weight just melts away! It is quite liberating.

Well done on finding a way that works for you and that placates your sweet tooth at the same time!

One of the comments that makes me chuckle most is when someone rolls out the old-adage - "You know that cigarette is going to take 5 minutes off your life"

I now have the perfect riposte -

"Oh yeah of course I know, obviously, it takes me 5 minutes to smoke it"

Their face is a picture every time :)

More evidence against the fat/saturated fat causes CHD/CVD.

The questionable role of saturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids in cardiovascular disease.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"The harmful effect of dietary SFA and the protective effect of dietary PUFA on atherosclerosis and CVD are questioned."

Low-fat dietary pattern and risk of cardiovascular disease: the Women's Health Initiative Randomized Controlled Dietary Modification Trial.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Over a mean of 8.1 years, a dietary intervention that reduced total fat intake and increased intakes of vegetables, fruits, and grains did not significantly reduce the risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD in postmenopausal women."

Dietary intake and the risk of coronary heart disease among the coconut-consuming Minangkabau in West Sumatra, Indonesia.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Similar intakes of saturated and unsaturated fatty acids between the cases and controls indicated that the consumption of total fat or saturated fat, including that from coconut, was not a predictor for CHD in this food culture."

No comments beyond what is in the conclusions of these studies is really required here.

Hi, I had been low carbing for well over a year. Yes, I felt much better, and I do have a regular 6 day a week exercise program, but about ayear ago I also entered into menopause. So after all that time, I could only shift about 6 kilos. Truth be told, the one thing they don't tell you out right, is that when you are in menopause, it is quite nearly impossible to drop weight. Why? Because you are actually fighting nature. Your body is TRYING to put on fat in order to replace the hormone estrogene which it produces in the fat cells to make up for the drop in production by the overies and uterus. Quite frankly, there needs to be some more research done about the poor weight loss even with maximum effort during menopause. Its back to starvation dieting and that is even harder during meno because one of the classic symptoms is increased appetite. No diet seems to work at this time.

Honestly, these people are just downright nuts or think that everybody else is!!

Healthier living could cut 2.8 million cancer cases
[link to news.yahoo.com]

"Focus is on curbing smoking, improving diets, reducing alcohol use"

isn't it always - been there done that for the last 40-50 years and what has been the result? (the article conveniently gives you and answer)

"The number of global cancers has increased by a fifth in less than a decade to around 12 million new cases a year, and along with other chronic diseases like heart and lung disease and diabetes are the world's biggest health challenges, the Fund said."

Hmmmm - I thought the numbers of smokers was plunging, consumption of saturated fats, salt, sugars, etc is plunging .... yet it all just gets worse!

Definition of Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

Sorry to hear about your problems with weight loss. Fighting nature is pretty tough. Have you tried sticking to low carb, eating normally for about 8 weeks and then doing a 5 day fat fast to knock the weight back a little and alternating this routine of normal/fat fast shock ... etc? Worth a try if you haven't tried it.

Also, another reason that can cause weight loss problems is candida overgrowth. That tends to coincide with about the same point in life. If you ever suffer from thrush for instance this can indicate candida overgrowth. Both my wife and I did an anti-candida form of the diet during the early stages of our weight loss when we were both struggling with our first stalls. My biggest weight loss came on the back of doing this.

Essentially, the anti-candida diet consists of pretty much sticking to meat, fish, eggs and cabbage. Restricting dairy because of the lactose content - mainly just butter but not the cheeses since these can aid funguses. We combined this with using some of the acidophilus "good bacteria" tablets that you get from the refrigerated section of the health store. This introduce good bacteria that are reduced by repeated anti-biotic courses over the years and restore the bacteria/fungus balance in the system.

Atkins identified candida overgrowth as the number 1 contributor to weight stalls on any diet.

Also the most common mistake on a low carb diet is eating too much protein. In most people any protein over 80g a day is converted by the liver to glucose, thus triggering the whole glucose metabolism all over again and stopping the fat loss process. Most people gravitate to protein (lean proteins in particular) since years of low fat conditioning has made them scared of the dreaded fat. Don't be scared of it! Fat is your weight loss friend. It is the one thing we can eat in large quantities. I actually call protein the lowest GI-carb of all. Takes about 3-4 hours for excess protein to become glucose in the system, making it really just a slow release carb.

Hope this helps and good luck. Do keep us up to date with your progress.

Thanks for your reply.
I shall see what I can do.

Are you also skOrpiOn?

No I'm not

I'm back still struggling with beer, but on the days in between doing good on fat food. When I'm back on it with a fat fast, it feels great, excess fat drops really fast and muscles tone... gotta get off the alcohol though...

Last Edited by R... on 09/09/2011 08:27 AM

Hey R - great to see you back!!

Alcohol is a bummer! Did you read my holiday story? lol

Well, at least I have found whisky doesn't put it on, as long as I stick to 2 shots or less :(

OMG - I have now heard it all when it comes to treating symptoms rather than cause!!

Gene find could lead to drug for chronic pain
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

"Neuropathic pain occurs when nerves are damaged, causing ongoing pain. This type of chronic pain, which is often lifelong, is surprisingly common and is poorly treated by current drugs, the study says.

It is often seen in patients with diabetes and shingles, and in the aftermath of cancer chemotherapy. It is also common in lower back pain and other chronic painful conditions."

And it continues later:

""What is exciting about the work on the HCN2 gene is that removing it - or blocking it pharmacologically - eliminates neuropathic pain without affecting normal acute pain. This finding could be very valuable clinically because normal pain sensation is essential for avoiding accidental damage."

Dr Brian Hammond, chairman of charity BackCare, said the findings of the study were good news.

"Any effective treatment which relieves the suffering of chronic pain is to be welcomed. Treatment which helps reduce pain but still leaves the body's warning mechanisms intact is a major breakthrough.""


Hey guys, never mind that ALL pain is a warning that something is seriously askew, not just acute pain, and you should do something about it! In fact pain that NEVER ends is designed to flash a persistant RED WARNING that something continues to be wrong.

Bet hey, if we turn it off now you can degenerate your body painlessly and not worry about it! Keep eating those sugars and starches ....

There you go people, you don't need to change anything, if it ain't painful it shan't kill ya! Will it?

Last Edited by Sc0rp10n on 09/09/2011 12:20 PM

I found this today while researching for an upcoming talk that I am giving in my community. This was produced by Dr. Donald Miller is a cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington School of Medicine in Seattle. He is a member of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness and writes articles on a variety of subjects for LewRockwell.com. His web site is www.donaldmiller.com

This is just stellar information. The real medical community is beginning to waken. The people who question and don't just accept what government and big pharmacy spews are beginning to speak out more often and with greater clarity.


"Enjoy Saturated Fats, They’re Good for You!"


"This article is taken from a talk I gave at the 29th Annual Meeting of the Doctors for Disaster Preparedness in Albuquerque last week, on the controversial subject of saturated fats. Some of the slides that I used for this talk are put in here.

The medical establishment and government health authorities say that consumption of saturated animal fats is bad for us and causes heart disease. According to the lipid hypothesis – the label used for the diet-cholesterol theory of heart disease – saturated fats raise serum cholesterol levels, and high blood cholesterol causes obstructive plaques to form in arteries, called atherosclerosis. This pathologic process causes coronary heart disease and the need for coronary artery bypass surgery, which is what I do."


Atherosclerosis is an inflammatory process brought on by eating too many carbohydrates and omega-6 vegetable oils. Stress plays a role and possibly also bacterial infection.
A deficiency of various vitamins shown here may also play a role in causing atherosclerotic heart disease, as may an excess or deficiency of various minerals.
Over the past century, butter consumption has plummeted from 18 grams per person per day to 5 grams. Consumption of lard has dropped substantially while use of shortening has almost tripled. In 1909, shortening was a natural product made with coconut oil and lard. Shortening used today is made out of partially hydrogenated vegetable oil.

"Consumption of margarine made with trans fats has gone up five fold, and vegetable oils, more than fifteen-fold. Along with trans fats, these often rancid vegetable oils are new to the human diet."

"A good case can be made that these changes in fat-and-oil consumption over the last hundred years are the major cause of the epidemic of obesity, diabetes, heart disease, stroke, cancer, and learning disabilities in children. Observing the increasing use of vegetable oils during the 1940s and 1950s, a few physicians, notably Dr. Weston A. Price and Dr. Francis Pottenger, predicted that there would be increasing rates of such diseases."

(GLP cut and paste rules respected)

[link to healthimpactnews.com]

Enjoy this life saving information.

Last Edited by emerald eye on 09/11/2011 04:04 PM

Great post Emerald Eye :)

This little story is doing the rounds again:

B-vitamins may slow onset of Alzheimer's, study finds
[link to www.alzheimers.org.uk]

And the best source of B vitamins is?

Meat and Poultry - and these are certainly the only products that contain these in 'pharmacological' doses. Take folic acid for example, one of the best vegetable sources is chick peas that contains 180mcg per 115g. You would still need to eat over 500g of chick peas to get the same amount you would from just 100g of chicken livers. You would need to eat over 1kg of most breakfast cereals for the same dose!

People have reduced their meat consumption - Alzheimer's cases are rocketing. Maybe there is a connection? Not that it will ever be studied since all the emphasis is on 'vegetarianising' the population!

But it's allright! We fortify those carbs for you hehehe

Added or natural vitamins anyone?

I am a great fan of Dr. Donald Miller. I will have to check that one out.

Thanks EE.

for any newcomers.. I started following this way of eating December 1, 2010.. It's now almost been a year later and I've managed to keep off the 55lbs I lost. I promise if you follow this seriously it will make a permanent difference for your health.

I went from only eating cereal, then oats in the morning to all protein. It started because I did some research on "brain food" and it likes protein, so I protein up in the AM, mainly eggs, and you can tell, you feel sharper, without caffeine.

On the other hand, I read that carbs slow the brain down drastically. So I eat a rather carb rich meal at night, it helps me sleep much more soundly than I've have in years, even after I started exercise and yoga with regularity.

I am 32 years old, and in the best shape of my life. I have 2 to 3 servings of fruit a day, including juice. When I eat my carb meals at night they are usually potatoes, rice or pasta.

My cholesterol is great, my blood sugar is low as is my blood pressure.

I don't eat a very fat rich diet, per sa, I do eat a lot of nuts/seeds however. I find them very filling and the switch to those as my primary snake from fruit alone or fruit and cottage cheese has seemed to increase my satiety. Many times I eat a small bowl of cottage cheese and a handful of almonds for my mid-morning and day snacks. Folks at work think it must be gross, but very satisfying.

Last Edited by Evanight on 09/17/2011 12:46 PM

Congratulations Generation Doom - takes some sticking to but well worth it when you do.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

back on page 1 where it should be

scorpion you really should consider printing a book or paper back with all your information,articles and links with the people on here that have done it and stuck to it and there results. and your ability to make it understandable to the masses,your ability to re-buck the nasayers and propaganda from the msm and so forth.you have done so much already but this information needs to go world wide.

I just read a hillarious paper try tries to prove a link between heart disease and cholesterol spots on the eyelids and eyes. It has received a whole load of coverage on the BBC, et al, since I think it's another great prelude for more statin marketing. It fails miserably and indeed cholesterol spots on the eyes even correlate with a lower risk for certain types of heart disease, while they both correlate with lower risk of stroke (never mentioned of course). But hey, while spoil a good headline with the truth. Here is the study in full:

[link to www.bmj.com]

What I found most interesting, however, is the breakdowns at the end of the paper adjusted for people with certain conditions and the % of those who suffered events who suffered from those conditions. Here is my summary breakdown.

SMOKING
N = 13.8%
Y = 16.2%

OVERWEIGHT
N = 11.5%
Y = 18.4%

HIGHER CHOLESTEROL
N = 10.8%
Y = 18.6%

HYPERTENSION
N = 10.8%
Y = 18.9%

HIGHER TRIGLYCERIDES
N = 10.5%
Y = 19%

MEN 19%
WOMEN 10.8%

DIABETES
N = 14.3%
Y = 27.9%

You will see that diabetes is far and away the No 1 risk factor. That is how damaging glucose in the bloodstream really is, but of course you should eat more starchy foods :)

Incredibly, and I am sure this would make great headline news, the second highest risk factor for a heart event is being MALE!!

Yes, being MALE - omg time we had a campaign to eliminate males and that would at a stroke cut down on our heart disease problem. Men are twice as likely to have heart events than women so by simply eliminating males we could cut the heart disease rate by a whole FIFTY (50) PERCENTAGE points! :) lol

Oh wait! They have already started on this! It's called soya - and plant estrogens this contains lol

Last Edited by Sc0rp10n on 09/17/2011 02:26 PM

Oh, sorry I forgot the analysis for those with the cholesterol spots on eyelids that were judged at "risk" of an event. Well here is the breakdown for those that did have it (Y) and those that didn't (N)

Myocardial infarction
Y = 21.8%
N = 14.4%

Ischaemic heart disease
Y = 38.5%
N = 28.6%

Ischaemic stroke
Y = 11.9%
N = 11.7%

Ischaemic cerebrovascular
disease
Y = 13.7%
N = 14.3%

Interesting numbers and clearly an increased risk on the Ischaemic heart disease and myocardal infarction.

And then the killer number (literally)

TOTAL DEATHS
Y = 79.2%
N = 66.2%

So, clearly a risk factor. Well, maybe, until you look at Table 1 showing the baseline characteristics of the two groups with our without the cholesterol spots ... some obvious differences that you would have expected to impact the event outcomes such as deaths?

Well, yes, a surprising number and characteristics here. These just sort of jump out:

Age of those with (50-64), age of those without (44-60). Hmmm 4-6 years older with a median age of more than 4 years. There's this funny thing you know, the older you are, the more likely you are to die ;)

Physically inactive - those with (80%), those without spots (73%)
Isn't lack of physical activity associated with higher sugars and loads of other conditions.

Family history of cardiovascular disease - those with (46%), those without spots (42%)

I thought history of cardiovascular disease in the family was one of the No 1 risk factors used by the insurance industry to calculate chance of a heart attack. That's why thats one of the first questions.

Also, a larger proportion of those in the "with spots" camp have hypertension 58%-47%, diabetes 4%-3%, they have smoked on average for 15 years as opposed to 10 years, they are 68% active smokers as opposed to 63%, and it goes on!

So, I guess that's how they figure out that by the time they arrive at their conclusion, the difference is only 8% risk for women and 12% risk for men. I am sorry, but we are talking 100 odd events out of a population sample of 563. In an opinion poll you would have a margin of error of about 5-6% on such a small sample. That just about wipes out any significance.

Why do people bother with such useless studies and why do the press give them so much time?

Sorry about the long analysis, but the purpose of putting this on here is to show that you cannot believe the simplistic headlines that are churned out on a daily basis by our media to cause and perpetuate FEAR!

Last Edited by Sc0rp10n on 09/17/2011 03:02 PM

I am looking for any information or opinions on using Muscle Milk for weight loss. Does anyone know if it will work as a dietary supplement? Is it healthy? When is the best time to take it?

I have currently lost almost 30 lbs. since May. I have been mostly trying to eat the high good fats, low carbs, low sugars, and high protein. I am somewhat active, but I don't exercise. At my current rate, I am losing 3-4 lbs. per month, only watching what I eat.

I would appreciate any input. Thank you!

Update bump.

Just weighed myself. Have now lost 17 lbs. since starting this back in mid-Dec.2010. Mid-section and side flab disappearing. Feeling great. Loving the simple, easy to prepare, home-cooked foods.

I was not looking to lose weight, as I was within range for my height. No complaints though, as now I can wear my Speedo without self-consciousness.

I was attracted to this diet by the implications regarding Metabolic Syndrome. On that score, I am quite pleased.

Many thanks to the OP and the contributors. I wish everyone would read this thread.