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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068882 United States 08/15/2010 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another "missing link" is found: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 750623[link to www.youtube.com] And still some religious wackos will deny it. Problem here is that no so-called found missing link can disprove creation, as the Creator can just be said to have created them that way. True it does provide more fuel for the unthinking evolutionist (see post above) but it can never be used as evidence to disprove creation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068882 United States 08/15/2010 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | believing that he always existed and is omnipotent is a lot easier to believe than nothing came from nothing than somehow became alive and than by itself with no guiding force whatsoever become infinitely complex. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068866Well you can be satisfied with whatever is "easy" to believe. Me... I'm more interested in what's true, rather than what is simply "easier to believe". That's called a cop out. No it's called rational thinking, meditate deeply on what I just said. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1060482 Netherlands 08/15/2010 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do both evolutionists and creationists always ignore the fact that humanity has the capability TODAY to alter natural life processes through DNA and other genetic sciences. The question really is for us, has this been done to humanity in the past by advanced intelligence? Evolution sounds plausible as a naturally occurring universal phenomena but one that can obviously be usurped. It is my belief that these theory are not mutually exclusive of one another and both have a part in human evolution. Because of this, humanity may not be the biggest boy on the block and is nothing more than an ubiquitous scientific experiment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 391217It's a possibility, but the problem is there is absolutely no evidence what so ever for it. Neither in terms of genetic sequences we KNOW couldn't have evolved nor is there any evidence of these genetic manipulators. Without any of these it is just as credible to say that santa created the first humans out of monkeys by using magic. Another reason is that in science occam's razor is generally applied. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
nomind User ID: 904314 Canada 08/15/2010 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Macro evolution is theory OP. Even Darwin himself said so. Dawrin actually admitted that his theory of macro evolution was disproved before he died. Quoting: ResisterThe Bible, besides being a moral guide, is a book of the history of the Jewish people and the life of Jesus Christ. It is fact. You have it absolutely backwards OP. Ahh. no it's not. Evolution is not a theory. The only reason that term still gets tagged to it is political correctedness. In other words to make people like you happy. As for the bible, it's a compilation created 300 years after the fact, in the case of Jesus, where the church picked and chose from a wide range of available gospels to build an image of jesus they wanted to sell, and not one based on any kind of truth. Use your head. Evolution on the other hand is something that we make use of as a tool already, and have been for thousands of years. It's the reason we have today's various types of cats and dogs, various farm animals etc. Selectively breeding them to enhance traits we like, this is called forcing nature to evolve into a shape we want. Lastly.. what's the problem? IS your god so weak and powerless that he couldn't have designed an intricate blueprint directing the shape and form of life, giving the earth the FULL experience, from birth to.. eventual death, and not just middle-age like the instant-creation types think? Last Edited by nomind on 08/15/2010 11:36 AM My Interesting Karma messages: - "You are an idiot. This post proves it." -"GLP MEMBERS BEWARE!!! THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SHILL." - Most moranic one given to me: When you type ".." you need to put three dots instead of two. Thread: Nibiru, or how to appear like you know what you are talking about |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1060482 Netherlands 08/15/2010 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Problem here is that no so-called found missing link can disprove creation, as the Creator can just be said to have created them that way. True it does provide more fuel for the unthinking evolutionist (see post above) but it can never be used as evidence to disprove creation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068882"Disprove creation"? Alright please "disprove" the existence of santa claus or an invisible pink unicorn in my garage.... |
Neesie User ID: 1048292 United States 08/15/2010 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why would God have to be Magical? are you a caveman? would you think an alien was Magical because he had more knowledge and more ability than you? God is not magic. he is Super Omnipotent and Intelligent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068866What is the source of his omnipotence then? Technology lol? The alien gets his knowledge and ability from technology, research, observation, investigation. God had all this before the universe even came into being... where did he get his knowledge and ability from? well now, that is the million dollar question isnt it. When God designed man he gave us a finite mind. we have limits to our understanding and concepts. Once we are given Immortality we will likely have all of the answers because we will become part of the collective Good. IMO Perhaps this is what Jesus was refering to in the book of John. He told the apostles that he had a secret but they were not yet ready for it. perhaps he was hinting that their finite minds were not ready for it. .A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell. C. S. Lewis |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068840 United States 08/15/2010 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | believing that he always existed and is omnipotent is a lot easier to believe than nothing came from nothing than somehow became alive and than by itself with no guiding force whatsoever become infinitely complex. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068882---- Well you can be satisfied with whatever is "easy" to believe. Me... I'm more interested in what's true, rather than what is simply "easier to believe". That's called a cop out. ----- No it's called rational thinking, meditate deeply on what I just said. Believing something without being able to defend it in a logical way, is NOT "rational thinking," it's ignorance. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068882 United States 08/15/2010 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're talking about a being that would be way being our ability to comprehend, believing that he always existed and is omnipotent is a lot easier to believe than nothing came from nothing than somehow became alive and than by itself with no guiding force whatsoever become infinitely complex. That is the true fairy tale to any thinking, reasoning person. If you can't comprehend an almighty god, how do you know it exists??? If you say that the simplest material/energy can not come from nothing and therefore had to be created, then how can you insist that something as infinitely complex as an almighty god came from nothing??? --- Let me guess, you maintain contradictory forms of logic. If nothing else reason as explained above, however have also been miraculously healed as have millions of others who have also experienced numerous other miracles such as instantaneous deliverance from addictions whencalling on Jesus's name. Believers also tangibly experience His love in a way that can only be experience to be understood, sometimes His presence comes upon you in such a way that you can barely move. Once you have experienced this touch of God no head knowledge argument against His existence could ever change your mind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068840 United States 08/15/2010 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well now, that is the million dollar question isnt it. When God designed man he gave us a finite mind. we have limits to our understanding and concepts. Once we are given Immortality we will likely have all of the answers because we will become part of the collective Good. IMO Quoting: NeesiePerhaps this is what Jesus was refering to in the book of John. He told the apostles that he had a secret but they were not yet ready for it. perhaps he was hinting that their finite minds were not ready for it. Typical theist. They have all sorts answers about god doing this and doing that, with all sorts of touchy-feely expressions to obscure the obvious, which is the fact that they don't have a single shred of scientific, logical, palpable, or incontovertible evidence that any god exists. The only thing they keep falling back on is the maunderings of ignorant, and often psychotic, bronze age zealots. It's amazing the extent that these people will go to in an attempt to validate mythical drivel. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068882 United States 08/15/2010 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | believing that he always existed and is omnipotent is a lot easier to believe than nothing came from nothing than somehow became alive and than by itself with no guiding force whatsoever become infinitely complex. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068840---- Well you can be satisfied with whatever is "easy" to believe. Me... I'm more interested in what's true, rather than what is simply "easier to believe". That's called a cop out. ----- No it's called rational thinking, meditate deeply on what I just said. Believing something without being able to defend it in a logical way, is NOT "rational thinking," it's ignorance. When there are only 2 choices the one that is clearly seen to be impossible by any unbiased thinking person (nothing came from nothing than somehow became alive and than by itself with no guiding force whatsoever become infinitely complex). The infinite complexity of life and beauty of nature clearly speak creation, for such a finite limited mind such as we have to try to comprehend the origins of a being who clearly created it all would further fall into the foolishness category of any who would try to use the argument. |
nomind User ID: 904314 Canada 08/15/2010 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Perhaps this is what Jesus was refering to in the book of John. He told the apostles that he had a secret but they were not yet ready for it. Quoting: Neesieperhaps he was hinting that their finite minds were not ready for it. Are you familiar with the tenants of buddhism? Not the mainstream religion, the zen buddhism. Or apparently TOA, which supposedly independently came to the same conclusions? If one looks at the reported sayings of jesus, one might sense a definite link between them, if one looked beyond the religious folklore. Now, I wasn't aware that jesus apparently said he had a secret but that his followers just weren't ready for it.. But my first impression was: the secret could be that the religion is just a framework for the laymen and that jesus was just using the local language and belief system to try to explain what he discovered, in terms that they would understand. This was true of the buddha, but he told his followers that this was the case directly.. The interesting thing is that according to some of the gospels that never got included in the bible.. Jesus traveled to India sometime before his 30's and studied with some gurus at a monastery, getting in trouble for not respecting the social caste system and such. Supposedly some researcher found references in the holy texts of that monastery to some 'holy man' who visited during that period. Everyone needs to take off their "religious" glasses and think about that for a while. There's only one truth.. and many interpretations of it. Last Edited by nomind on 08/15/2010 11:57 AM My Interesting Karma messages: - "You are an idiot. This post proves it." -"GLP MEMBERS BEWARE!!! THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SHILL." - Most moranic one given to me: When you type ".." you need to put three dots instead of two. Thread: Nibiru, or how to appear like you know what you are talking about |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068882 United States 08/15/2010 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | believing that he always existed and is omnipotent is a lot easier to believe than nothing came from nothing than somehow became alive and than by itself with no guiding force whatsoever become infinitely complex. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068882---- Well you can be satisfied with whatever is "easy" to believe. Me... I'm more interested in what's true, rather than what is simply "easier to believe". That's called a cop out. ----- No it's called rational thinking, meditate deeply on what I just said. Believing something without being able to defend it in a logical way, is NOT "rational thinking," it's ignorance. When there are only 2 choices the one that is clearly seen to be impossible by any unbiased thinking person (nothing came from nothing than somehow became alive and than by itself with no guiding force whatsoever become infinitely complex). The infinite complexity of life and beauty of nature clearly speak creation, for such a finite limited mind such as we have to try to comprehend the origins of a being who clearly created it all would further fall into the foolishness category of any who would try to use the argument. got distracted and somehow missed finishing the thought: When there are only 2 choices the one that is clearly seen to be impossible by any unbiased thinking person (nothing came from nothing than somehow became alive and than by itself with no guiding force whatsoever become infinitely complex) has to be eliminated. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068840 United States 08/15/2010 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If nothing else reason as explained above, however have also been miraculously healed as have millions of others who have also experienced numerous other miracles such as instantaneous deliverance from addictions whencalling on Jesus's name. Believers also tangibly experience His love in a way that can only be experience to be understood, sometimes His presence comes upon you in such a way that you can barely move. Once you have experienced this touch of God no head knowledge argument against His existence could ever change your mind. Nothing you suggest in the above paragraph proves the existence of any god. It's merely sensationalizing the laws of probability in an attempt to validate a prejudice. If there was an almighty god and he truly loved people enough to heal them, THEN WHY DID HE ALLOW THEM TO BECOME ADDICTED AND SICK IN THE FIRST PLACE??? |
nomind User ID: 904314 Canada 08/15/2010 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now, I wasn't aware that jesus apparently said he had a secret but that his followers just weren't ready for it.. Quoting: nomindBut my first impression was: the secret could be that the religion is just a framework for the laymen and that jesus was just using the local language and belief system to try to explain what he discovered, in terms that they would understand. Everyone needs to take off their "religious" glasses and think about that for a while. There's only one truth.. and many interpretations of it. Heh apparently that's not a new idea.. Here's a synopsis of some book called "Christian Zen: the essential teachings of jesus christ" "Jesus' remarkable and rather puzzling statements from the Gospel of Thomas, considered "secret sayings," have suffered centuries of misinterpretation, reinforcing a skewed view of both Christianity and Jesus himself. In Christian Zen, noted scholar Robert Powell deciphers their true meaning and shows how they mirror Zen philosophy. His commentaries explain that the sayings embody the timeless teaching of advaita, the esoteric expression of the inner meaning of all the great religions." Won't link because that goes to amazon heh, but I am sure one can google if needed One comment says: "In this book, Robert Powell interprets the Gospel of Thomas from a non-dual perspective. What I mean is, he interprets Jesus as an enlightened teacher who is simply pointing to the kingdom of heaven all around you, the oneness of everything. Jesus is saying you are not separate from God, and never were. You need only to drop all religious concepts and see. This is what esoteric Christianity is all about. There are other books about this. 'Inner Christianity' by Richard Smoley is also very good. " Last Edited by nomind on 08/15/2010 12:04 PM My Interesting Karma messages: - "You are an idiot. This post proves it." -"GLP MEMBERS BEWARE!!! THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SHILL." - Most moranic one given to me: When you type ".." you need to put three dots instead of two. Thread: Nibiru, or how to appear like you know what you are talking about |
FubarMan User ID: 1050931 United States 08/15/2010 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DNA did not just poof into existence through the primordial ooze..It is a mathematical code of chemicals, the code of creation, brilliantly designed. To believe that it poofed into existence is to have a greater faith than any Muslim, Hopi, Christian ever! To believe that something comes from nothing is an illogical idea. Nothing comes from nothing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1060482 Netherlands 08/15/2010 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | believing that he always existed and is omnipotent is a lot easier to believe than nothing came from nothing than somehow became alive and than by itself with no guiding force whatsoever become infinitely complex. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068882---- Well you can be satisfied with whatever is "easy" to believe. Me... I'm more interested in what's true, rather than what is simply "easier to believe". That's called a cop out. ----- No it's called rational thinking, meditate deeply on what I just said. Believing something without being able to defend it in a logical way, is NOT "rational thinking," it's ignorance. When there are only 2 choices the one that is clearly seen to be impossible by any unbiased thinking person (nothing came from nothing than somehow became alive and than by itself with no guiding force whatsoever become infinitely complex). The infinite complexity of life and beauty of nature clearly speak creation, for such a finite limited mind such as we have to try to comprehend the origins of a being who clearly created it all would further fall into the foolishness category of any who would try to use the argument. So we are to stupid to understand where the "god" came from (who is supposedly infinitely more complex then the entire universe) and hence should not bother ourselves with such minor details but we understand that he said "poof" and magically created the entire universe? Yeah that seems the logical choice for an unbiased thinking person. |
Neesie User ID: 1048292 United States 08/15/2010 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well now, that is the million dollar question isnt it. When God designed man he gave us a finite mind. we have limits to our understanding and concepts. Once we are given Immortality we will likely have all of the answers because we will become part of the collective Good. IMO Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068840Perhaps this is what Jesus was refering to in the book of John. He told the apostles that he had a secret but they were not yet ready for it. perhaps he was hinting that their finite minds were not ready for it. Typical theist. They have all sorts answers about god doing this and doing that, with all sorts of touchy-feely expressions to obscure the obvious, which is the fact that they don't have a single shred of scientific, logical, palpable, or incontovertible evidence that any god exists. The only thing they keep falling back on is the maunderings of ignorant, and often psychotic, bronze age zealots. It's amazing the extent that these people will go to in an attempt to validate mythical drivel. as opposed to your belief that matter just banged its way into existence from nothing? you should ask yourself which one makes more sense. It is mighty strange that The bible has made so many prophecies that have proven themselves correct. just the prophecies of Jesus boggle the mind. Accidental fulfillment of prophecies? The New Testament writers cite messianic prophecies from the Old Testament more than 130 times. By some estimates the Old Testament contains 300 prophetic passages that describe who the Messiah is and what He will do. Of these, 60 are major prophecies. What are the chances of these prophecies being fulfilled in one person? Of course, as Dr. Geisler points out, God makes no mistakes. It is virtually inconceivable that God would allow either a total deception in His name or an accidental fulfillment in the life of the wrong person. Such things rule out a chance fulfillment (p. 343). One might argue there is still that possibility—however remote. But the mathematical odds that all of these prophecies could have converged by chance in the events of the life of Jesus are staggeringly minute—to the point of eliminating any such possibility. Astronomer and mathematician Peter Stoner, in his book Science Speaks, offers a mathematical analysis showing that it is impossible that the precise statements about the One to come could be fulfilled in a single person by mere coincidence. The chance of only eight of these dozens of prophecies being fulfilled in the life of one man has been estimated at 1 in 10 to the 17th power. That would be 1 chance in 100,000,000,000,000,000. How can we put this in terms we can comprehend? Dr. Stoner illustrates the odds with this scenario: "Take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas [with its approximate land area of 262,000 square miles]. They will cover all of the state two feet deep. Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. "What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man." But that is only eight of the dozens of prophecies of the Messiah. Using the science of probability, the chance of as many as 48 of these prophecies coming to pass in one person is 1 in 10 to the 157th power—a 1 followed by 157 zeros (1963, pp. 100-109). One or two fulfillments in Jesus' life could be dismissed as coincidental. But when the instances of fulfilled prophecies are counted up, the law of probability quickly reaches the point where mere probability becomes certainty. This is one of the proofs Jesus was the promised Messiah—the messianic prophecies were accurately and precisely fulfilled in Him .A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell. C. S. Lewis |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1060482 Netherlands 08/15/2010 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DNA did not just poof into existence through the primordial ooze..It is a mathematical code of chemicals, the code of creation, brilliantly designed. Quoting: FubarManTo believe that it poofed into existence is to have a greater faith than any Muslim, Hopi, Christian ever! To believe that something comes from nothing is an illogical idea. Nothing comes from nothing. The only one who suggests anything "poofing" into existence are the creationists. Besides the theory of evolution which is discussed in this thread says absolutely nothing about the origin of life. It does imply that humans are a subset of the monkey family. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068882 United States 08/15/2010 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Perhaps this is what Jesus was refering to in the book of John. He told the apostles that he had a secret but they were not yet ready for it. Quoting: nomindperhaps he was hinting that their finite minds were not ready for it. Are you familiar with the tenants of buddhism? Not the mainstream religion, the zen buddhism. Or apparently TOA, which supposedly independently came to the same conclusions? If one looks at the reported sayings of jesus, one might sense a definite link between them, if one looked beyond the religious folklore. Now, I wasn't aware that jesus apparently said he had a secret but that his followers just weren't ready for it.. But my first impression was: the secret could be that the religion is just a framework for the laymen and that jesus was just using the local language and belief system to try to explain what he discovered, in terms that they would understand. This was true of the buddha, but he told his followers that this was the case directly.. The interesting thing is that according to some of the gospels that never got included in the bible.. Jesus traveled to India sometime before his 30's and studied with some gurus at a monastery, getting in trouble for not respecting the social caste system and such. Supposedly some researcher found references in the holy texts of that monastery to some 'holy man' who visited during that period. Everyone needs to take off their "religious" glasses and think about that for a while. There's only one truth.. and many interpretations of it. None of these these India experiences are factually documented, can therefore be dismissed. |
nomind User ID: 904314 Canada 08/15/2010 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DNA did not just poof into existence through the primordial ooze..It is a mathematical code of chemicals, the code of creation, brilliantly designed. Quoting: FubarManTo believe that it poofed into existence is to have a greater faith than any Muslim, Hopi, Christian ever! To believe that something comes from nothing is an illogical idea. Nothing comes from nothing. Indeed.. and no one believes it just 'poofed' into existence.. least not anyone who actually thinks. The problem with evolution is the sheer scale of it that is just to counter intuitive because our brains just don't have the processing power to hold the fullness of the time involved as anything but complete abstract. In other words.. billions of years of little changes that add up. There's also the possibility of course that the initial pieces that eventually formed DNA blueprints fell to earth on a meteorite, or maybe some alien took a poo behind a rock.. Or maybe some magical sky being twiddled it's metaphorical fingers and poofed it into existence in it's starting state.. whatever, the point is there was a starting state, and billions of years of change added up to, among other things.. us. My Interesting Karma messages: - "You are an idiot. This post proves it." -"GLP MEMBERS BEWARE!!! THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SHILL." - Most moranic one given to me: When you type ".." you need to put three dots instead of two. Thread: Nibiru, or how to appear like you know what you are talking about |
nomind User ID: 904314 Canada 08/15/2010 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The interesting thing is that according to some of the gospels that never got included in the bible.. Jesus traveled to India sometime before his 30's and studied with some gurus at a monastery, getting in trouble for not respecting the social caste system and such. Supposedly some researcher found references in the holy texts of that monastery to some 'holy man' who visited during that period. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068882None of these these India experiences are factually documented, can therefore be dismissed. No less 'factually' documented than the gospels that the church did decide to include in their bible when they created it in the 3rd century. The jesus people believe in now is a patchwork creation loosely based on the memory of a real person.. this is known fact, says the church scholars.. Think about that. Here again to reinforce: Humans.. i.e. the church, chose specific gospels out of the many available ones to create the image that they wanted to sell. My Interesting Karma messages: - "You are an idiot. This post proves it." -"GLP MEMBERS BEWARE!!! THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SHILL." - Most moranic one given to me: When you type ".." you need to put three dots instead of two. Thread: Nibiru, or how to appear like you know what you are talking about |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068882 United States 08/15/2010 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DNA did not just poof into existence through the primordial ooze..It is a mathematical code of chemicals, the code of creation, brilliantly designed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1060482To believe that it poofed into existence is to have a greater faith than any Muslim, Hopi, Christian ever! To believe that something comes from nothing is an illogical idea. Nothing comes from nothing. The only one who suggests anything "poofing" into existence are the creationists. Besides the theory of evolution which is discussed in this thread says absolutely nothing about the origin of life. It does imply that humans are a subset of the monkey family. Glad you used imply rather than the deceptive "prove" that most evolutionists will use. And "poofing" into existence is the only non Creator explanation available to non-creationists. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068882 United States 08/15/2010 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The interesting thing is that according to some of the gospels that never got included in the bible.. Jesus traveled to India sometime before his 30's and studied with some gurus at a monastery, getting in trouble for not respecting the social caste system and such. Supposedly some researcher found references in the holy texts of that monastery to some 'holy man' who visited during that period. Quoting: nomindNone of these these India experiences are factually documented, can therefore be dismissed. No less 'factually' documented than the gospels that the church did decide to include in their bible when they created it in the 3rd century. The jesus people believe in now is a patchwork creation loosely based on the memory of a real person.. this is known fact, says the church scholars.. Think about that. Here again to reinforce: Humans.. i.e. the church, chose specific gospels out of the many available ones to create the image that they wanted to sell. Non-biblical writings of 1st and 2nd century christians (of which there are many) regular reference the books which where canonized in the 4th century. The ones which were left out such as Thomas were left out because they contradicted the writings of these other books which were the basis for the faith from the 1st century on. |
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nomind User ID: 904314 Canada 08/15/2010 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | None of these these India experiences are factually documented, can therefore be dismissed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068882I'll repeat: the same can be said of every other gospel, for the most part. That being said, here's some "Jesus in India" info: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Obviously, this is wikipedia, so do your own research for confirmation: ---- They assert that Jesus lived the life of a Buddhist and taught Buddhist ideals to his disciples; their work follows in the footsteps of the Oxford New Testament scholar' Barnett Hillman Streeter, who established as early as the 1930s that the moral teaching of the Buddha has four remarkable resemblances to the Sermon on the Mount. ... In 1887 a Russian war correspondent, Nicolas Notovitch, visited India and Tibet. He claimed that, at the lamasery or monastery of Hemis in Ladakh, he learned of the "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men." Issa is the Arabic name of Jesus. His story, with a translated text of the "Life of Saint Issa," was published in French in 1894 as La vie inconnue de Jesus Christ. It was subsequently translated into English, German, Spanish, and Italian. ... In 1922, after initially doubting Notovitch, Swami Abhedananda, a disciple of Sri Ramakrishna, and a close aquaintance of Max Müller, journeyed to Tibet, investigated his claim, was shown the manuscript by the lama and with his help translated part of the document, and later championed Notovich's views. Having spoken at Max Müller's funeral, his opposing Müller's assertion that Notovitch's document was a forgery, was no small matter. ... A number of authors have taken these accounts and have expanded upon them in their own works. For example, in her book The Lost Years of Jesus: Documentary Evidence of Jesus's 17-Year Journey to the East, Elizabeth Clare Prophet cites Buddhist manuscripts that provide evidence that Jesus traveled to India, Nepal, Ladakh and Tibet. Non-biblical writings of 1st and 2nd century christians (of which there are many) regular reference the books which where canonized in the 4th century. The ones which were left out such as Thomas were left out because they contradicted the writings of these other books which were the basis for the faith from the 1st century on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068882So you are saying that.. they picked and chose the gospels that best fit their pre-established image of jesus that they wanted to sell. Thanks for agreeing with me on that :p Last Edited by nomind on 08/15/2010 12:24 PM My Interesting Karma messages: - "You are an idiot. This post proves it." -"GLP MEMBERS BEWARE!!! THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SHILL." - Most moranic one given to me: When you type ".." you need to put three dots instead of two. Thread: Nibiru, or how to appear like you know what you are talking about |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068882 United States 08/15/2010 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DNA did not just poof into existence through the primordial ooze..It is a mathematical code of chemicals, the code of creation, brilliantly designed. Quoting: nomindTo believe that it poofed into existence is to have a greater faith than any Muslim, Hopi, Christian ever! To believe that something comes from nothing is an illogical idea. Nothing comes from nothing. Indeed.. and no one believes it just 'poofed' into existence.. least not anyone who actually thinks. The problem with evolution is the sheer scale of it that is just to counter intuitive because our brains just don't have the processing power to hold the fullness of the time involved as anything but complete abstract. In other words.. billions of years of little changes that add up. There's also the possibility of course that the initial pieces that eventually formed DNA blueprints fell to earth on a meteorite, or maybe some alien took a poo behind a rock.. Or maybe some magical sky being twiddled it's metaphorical fingers and poofed it into existence in it's starting state.. whatever, the point is there was a starting state, and billions of years of change added up to, among other things.. us. At least you seem to admit that there had to be a guiding force, which is not the status quo for evolutionists. And since aliens or previous DNA (which is infinitely complex) also require an origin than the only non-creator answer you have left is a Creator. Here, if you are sincerely interested in truth is a good starting point for evidence that that Creator was the God of the bible, read The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. Many a non-believer has become one after reading it. Also see the writings of these names: Ravi Zacharias and Norman Geisler. |
nomind User ID: 904314 Canada 08/15/2010 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And since aliens or previous DNA (which is infinitely complex) also require an origin than the only non-creator answer you have left is a Creator. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068882That is a mighty odd and silly conclusion you jump to.. As for my previous posts.. For those who aren't informed, Buddha is a title more or less meaning "supreme enlightened one" that refers to a condition and not a specific entity. On the other hand when people talk about "The Buddha" they refer to the buddha named Siddhattha Gotama My Interesting Karma messages: - "You are an idiot. This post proves it." -"GLP MEMBERS BEWARE!!! THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SHILL." - Most moranic one given to me: When you type ".." you need to put three dots instead of two. Thread: Nibiru, or how to appear like you know what you are talking about |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068882 United States 08/15/2010 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Non-biblical writings of 1st and 2nd century christians (of which there are many) regular reference the books which where canonized in the 4th century. The ones which were left out such as Thomas were left out because they contradicted the writings of these other books which were the basis for the faith from the 1st century on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068882 So you are saying that.. they picked and chose the gospels that best fit their pre-established image of jesus that they wanted to sell. Thanks for agreeing with me on that" - There was no pre-established ideas, most of the NT was written by men who either knew Jesus or knew those who knew Jesus. The practices of the church followed the teachings of the known Jesus and His first century followers as described in their writihgs from the 1st century on. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068882 United States 08/15/2010 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "And since aliens or previous DNA (which is infinitely complex) also require an origin than the only non-creator answer you have left is a Creator. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068882 That is a mighty odd and silly conclusion you jump to.." - Either intelligence "poofed into existence all by its little self or it was created there are no other options. Pleas enlighten us as to the 3rd option. |