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It's all about how the Sun is interacting with the Earth nowadays...




NASA's Interstellar Boundary Explorer, known as IBEX, has recorded the first-ever look of the solar wind - the million-miles-per-hour stream of charged particles from the sun - crashing headlong into Earth's magnetosphere, space agency officials said in a statement. The solar wind could strip away the planet's atmosphere if the magnetosphere, a magnetic bubble surrounding the planet, didn't help deflect it...

..."It will take a while before the community comes to a consensus about what the IBEX data really mean," said IBEX principal investigator David McComas, assistant vice president at Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio. "Yet we've already learned much, much more about our place in the solar system."

[link to www.space.com]
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interesting. thanks!
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interesting. thanks!
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No problem...I'm trying to find the actual images from IBEX from this, but can't locate them yet.
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Here's a representation of it:

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The IBEX spacecraft has found that Energetic Neutral Atoms, or ENAs, are coming from a region just outside Earth's magnetopause where nearly stationary protons from the solar wind interact with the tenuous cloud of hydrogen atoms in Earth's exosphere.
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between you and OTOC

you will keep us on alert to the soon to be CME's right?

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between you and OTOC

you will keep us on alert to the soon to be CME's right?

good work man
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yeppers...
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Here's a representation of it:

[link to www.space.com]
The IBEX spacecraft has found that Energetic Neutral Atoms, or ENAs, are coming from a region just outside Earth's magnetopause where nearly stationary protons from the solar wind interact with the tenuous cloud of hydrogen atoms in Earth's exosphere.
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Sickscent, in that image you see the ENA-formation zone. Energetic neutral atoms equal plasma, isn't that so? That's where plasma is created?
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It's all about how the Sun is interacting with the Earth nowadays...


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It sure seems that way..Even my wife has noticed more media attention to it lately...and she thought I was just talking nonsense at first..Now when she has cell phone problems or can`t get a connection she always says.."them damn CMEs" LOL...

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That picture looks like the last crop circle.
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That picture looks like the last crop circle.
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lol...it does, doesn't it
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Here's a representation of it:

[link to www.space.com]
The IBEX spacecraft has found that Energetic Neutral Atoms, or ENAs, are coming from a region just outside Earth's magnetopause where nearly stationary protons from the solar wind interact with the tenuous cloud of hydrogen atoms in Earth's exosphere.



Sickscent, in that image you see the ENA-formation zone. Energetic neutral atoms equal plasma, isn't that so? That's where plasma is created?
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ENA images are constructed from the detection of energetic neutral atoms that are created in charge-exchange processes between ions in a hot plasma, such as the solar wind, and the atoms of a cold neutral background gas.[2]

Earth's magnetosphere preserves Earth's atmosphere and protects us from cell damaging radiation. This region of "space weather" is the site of geomagnetic storms that disrupt communications systems and pose radiation hazards to humans traveling at high polar altitudes or in orbiting spacecraft. A deeper understanding of this region is vitally important. Geomagnetic weather systems have been late to benefit from the satellite imagery taken for granted in weather forecasting, and space physics because their origins in magnetospheric plasmas present the added problem of invisibility.[1]

The heliosphere protects the entire solar system from the majority of cosmic rays but is so remote that only an imaging technique such as ENA imaging will reveal its properties. The heliosphere's structure is due to the invisible interaction between the solar wind and cold gas from the local interstellar medium.[2]

The creation of ENAs by space plasmas was predicted but their discovery was both deliberate and serendipitous.
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that's so neat!

thanks Sickscent hf
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that's so neat!

thanks Sickscent hf
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tee hee
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lmao
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hi sickscent

and when you translate up there to down here it gets funny

least it makes me smile

ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE
AND THE CHARGE FIELD

I will show that atmospheric pressure is misinterpreted and that atmospheric weight is a myth. I will use my charge field to explain why the atmosphere in fact weighs nothing. In addition, I will show why the ionosphere exists as a separate layer, and precisely why it is above the stratosphere.

[link to www.milesmathis.com]
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the funniest bit is those fucks at ibex e -mailing miles every fucking week now

hahaha

step by step huh
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My first book is now available both hardback and softback. Recommended by a NASA astrophysicist. 350 pages, 29 chapters, compiled from this website as a "best-of" introduction to my ideas, theories, and analysis.

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hi sickscent

and when you translate up there to down here it gets funny

least it makes me smile

ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE
AND THE CHARGE FIELD

I will show that atmospheric pressure is misinterpreted and that atmospheric weight is a myth. I will use my charge field to explain why the atmosphere in fact weighs nothing. In addition, I will show why the ionosphere exists as a separate layer, and precisely why it is above the stratosphere.

[link to www.milesmathis.com]
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Good Morning field...I'll have to read that Miles stuff.


And yeah, step by step.
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ROFL!
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Ooh nice to see new data.

Any thoughts on yesterday's mail?
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Ooh nice to see new data.

Any thoughts on yesterday's mail?
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yeah, I mailed ya back...my head was kind of frazzled. Hope it made sense!
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Ooh nice to see new data.

Any thoughts on yesterday's mail?


yeah, I mailed ya back...my head was kind of frazzled. Hope it made sense!
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Dude, you honestly, honestly gave me goosebumps...THAT IS THE EXACT SAME IDEA I CAME UP WITH...

I have said this before in certain threads, but I believe you can view these types of process as similar in structure, but using different components.

The idea that turned me onto that thought process, was the Magnetic Flux Tubes...why couldn't there be one, or a similar structure of one, that involves interstellar energies (supernovas or whatever) and the heliosphere? Same process (or structure), just different aspects...can't get the right words right now...

Even, if say, the energies (from novas or whatever) come into the 'local fluff' and become the denser, faster mor energized aspects of the fluff...the fluff would be variable throughout, and the little bits that are 'denser' would act as a better 'conductor' for the more intense energies from the explosions and consequent energies out in interstellar space.

That was my idea as to how certain denser columns of the fluff could have possibly penetrated the heliosphere...along with magnetic fields that are created from the energies...
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Ooh nice to see new data.

Any thoughts on yesterday's mail?


yeah, I mailed ya back...my head was kind of frazzled. Hope it made sense!
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Sent two mails?

I have recieved 1.

I know I've sent two.

"I have said this before in certain threads, but I believe you can view these types of process as similar in structure, but using different components.

Yes for an Interstellar CME of that size, we would presume the iron and heavier element content is higher than that of a usual CMe we get. which should act to strengthen the magnetic field of it and the general structure, would also give it some form of gravitational and electromagnetic pull to it which acts to partially hold the cloud together, and would in certain places increase the overall density and magnetic strength, in other places decrease the overall density and magnetic strength

The idea that turned me onto that thought process, was the Magnetic Flux Tubes...why couldn't there be one, or a similar structure of one, that involves interstellar energies (supernovas or whatever) and the heliosphere? Same process (or structure), just different aspects...can't get the right words right now...

Well I see no reason why not, between large magnetic entities, I would assume it takes a considerable amount of time to connect and only a few hours to disconnect again, depending on the distance. Think of how thin the center of the "tube" would be when it first connects and how if anything disrupted the tube in any way how long it would take to break.

So I come to the conclusion of very rare short duration bursts of magnetic connectivity over vast distances, with the thinning of the magnetic tube acting to accelerate the particles way beyond the speed of light due to "pressure". Also come to the conclusion that whichever side of the flux tube is more active (a bigger producer of Interstellar waves/particles) would over power the over and flood that side, given reasonable "power" advantage to one


Even, if say, the energies (from novas or whatever) come into the 'local fluff' and become the denser, faster mor energized aspects of the fluff...the fluff would be variable throughout, and the little bits that are 'denser' would act as a better 'conductor' for the more intense energies from the explosions and consequent energies out in interstellar space.

I would agree, due to the higher concentration's of "particles" in certain areas which I would almost guarantee that the conductive nature of those areas would be increased, But I would also assume that they may act as a form of barrier and soak into them more radiation and particles, making those places even warmer and more actively conductive than the areas around them.

Effectively repowering the CME when it is far from any heat source.

That was my idea as to how certain denser columns of the fluff could have possibly penetrated the heliosphere...along with magnetic fields that are created from the energies...

I would assume that they would enter from the tail of the heliosphere (wherever that is pointing due to our movement throught the cloud and the clouds movement itself). I would again assume that as we are moving through it, it should act to increase the overall impact velocity of the "cloud" giving it more chance to "perferate" part of the heliosphere or "snap back" the tail.

Either way is possible to my mind, just like the magnetosphere on earth. But I guess we will have to wait and see, It should be easy to tell when and if particles from the fluff reach our planet, as the overall make-up of it should be vastly different.

Another thing, if it does act like our magnetosphere, then moving quickly from one strong polarity to the other or from dense to not dense "should" affect the producer of the magnetic field (heliosphere) equal and opposite reactions so to speak, you slam something into the magnetosphere, it pushes back and alters the positioning of the magnetic field lines emanating from the source.

With something as fluid as the sun and not solid like our earth (on earth you can see the effect of a hard slam on our magnetosphere as the auroras tend to drop in latitude due to the compression of the magnetosphere and where that compression will force the magnetic lines to come out from the earth.

Anyway, with the sun, think of the same effect on the magnetic field lines would effectively enlarge the visible poles of the sun and well my assumption would be that it would compress the other areas and make the magnetic fields on sunspots, etc, much more likely to violently snap as they should innately be under more tension.

Let alone the effect that an influx of foreign stella particles would have on the interplanetary magnetic field


 Quoting: OTOC


also adding a bit here while I'm at it.

I would assume also that unelss there is a sudden massive influx of stella particles that our solar wind would with no problem push away these particles and not allow them to reach very far into the inside of the heliosphere.

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Ooh nice to see new data.

Any thoughts on yesterday's mail?


yeah, I mailed ya back...my head was kind of frazzled. Hope it made sense!


Sent two mails?

I have recieved 1.

I know I've sent two.
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oops, my bad...told you my head was frazzled. I'll go over it today...sorry bro.
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Holy shit...I'll have to digest it...Just did a quick reading, and there are certain things that definitely stand out as 'correct' in my thoughts as to how it would have to work as well...

I'll get back to you later today.
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Ooh nice to see new data.

Any thoughts on yesterday's mail?


yeah, I mailed ya back...my head was kind of frazzled. Hope it made sense!


Sent two mails?

I have recieved 1.

I know I've sent two.



"I have said this before in certain threads, but I believe you can view these types of process as similar in structure, but using different components.

Yes for an Interstellar CME of that size, we would presume the iron and heavier element content is higher than that of a usual CMe we get. which should act to strengthen the magnetic field of it and the general structure, would also give it some form of gravitational and electromagnetic pull to it which acts to partially hold the cloud together, and would in certain places increase the overall density and magnetic strength, in other places decrease the overall density and magnetic strength

The idea that turned me onto that thought process, was the Magnetic Flux Tubes...why couldn't there be one, or a similar structure of one, that involves interstellar energies (supernovas or whatever) and the heliosphere? Same process (or structure), just different aspects...can't get the right words right now...

Well I see no reason why not, between large magnetic entities, I would assume it takes a considerable amount of time to connect and only a few hours to disconnect again, depending on the distance. Think of how thin the center of the "tube" would be when it first connects and how if anything disrupted the tube in any way how long it would take to break.

So I come to the conclusion of very rare short duration bursts of magnetic connectivity over vast distances, with the thinning of the magnetic tube acting to accelerate the particles way beyond the speed of light due to "pressure". Also come to the conclusion that whichever side of the flux tube is more active (a bigger producer of Interstellar waves/particles) would over power the over and flood that side, given reasonable "power" advantage to one


Even, if say, the energies (from novas or whatever) come into the 'local fluff' and become the denser, faster mor energized aspects of the fluff...the fluff would be variable throughout, and the little bits that are 'denser' would act as a better 'conductor' for the more intense energies from the explosions and consequent energies out in interstellar space.

I would agree, due to the higher concentration's of "particles" in certain areas which I would almost guarantee that the conductive nature of those areas would be increased, But I would also assume that they may act as a form of barrier and soak into them more radiation and particles, making those places even warmer and more actively conductive than the areas around them.

Effectively repowering the CME when it is far from any heat source.

That was my idea as to how certain denser columns of the fluff could have possibly penetrated the heliosphere...along with magnetic fields that are created from the energies...

I would assume that they would enter from the tail of the heliosphere (wherever that is pointing due to our movement throught the cloud and the clouds movement itself). I would again assume that as we are moving through it, it should act to increase the overall impact velocity of the "cloud" giving it more chance to "perferate" part of the heliosphere or "snap back" the tail.

Either way is possible to my mind, just like the magnetosphere on earth. But I guess we will have to wait and see, It should be easy to tell when and if particles from the fluff reach our planet, as the overall make-up of it should be vastly different.

Another thing, if it does act like our magnetosphere, then moving quickly from one strong polarity to the other or from dense to not dense "should" affect the producer of the magnetic field (heliosphere) equal and opposite reactions so to speak, you slam something into the magnetosphere, it pushes back and alters the positioning of the magnetic field lines emanating from the source.

With something as fluid as the sun and not solid like our earth (on earth you can see the effect of a hard slam on our magnetosphere as the auroras tend to drop in latitude due to the compression of the magnetosphere and where that compression will force the magnetic lines to come out from the earth.

Anyway, with the sun, think of the same effect on the magnetic field lines would effectively enlarge the visible poles of the sun and well my assumption would be that it would compress the other areas and make the magnetic fields on sunspots, etc, much more likely to violently snap as they should innately be under more tension.

Let alone the effect that an influx of foreign stella particles would have on the interplanetary magnetic field




also adding a bit here while I'm at it.

I would assume also that unelss there is a sudden massive influx of stella particles that our solar wind would with no problem push away these particles and not allow them to reach very far into the inside of the heliosphere.
 Quoting: OTOC


Yeah, thats the one I want to go over...fucking beautiful images in my mind concerning this...
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Ooh nice to see new data.

Any thoughts on yesterday's mail?


yeah, I mailed ya back...my head was kind of frazzled. Hope it made sense!


Sent two mails?

I have recieved 1.

I know I've sent two.



"I have said this before in certain threads, but I believe you can view these types of process as similar in structure, but using different components.

Yes for an Interstellar CME of that size, we would presume the iron and heavier element content is higher than that of a usual CMe we get. which should act to strengthen the magnetic field of it and the general structure, would also give it some form of gravitational and electromagnetic pull to it which acts to partially hold the cloud together, and would in certain places increase the overall density and magnetic strength, in other places decrease the overall density and magnetic strength

The idea that turned me onto that thought process, was the Magnetic Flux Tubes...why couldn't there be one, or a similar structure of one, that involves interstellar energies (supernovas or whatever) and the heliosphere? Same process (or structure), just different aspects...can't get the right words right now...

Well I see no reason why not, between large magnetic entities, I would assume it takes a considerable amount of time to connect and only a few hours to disconnect again, depending on the distance. Think of how thin the center of the "tube" would be when it first connects and how if anything disrupted the tube in any way how long it would take to break.

So I come to the conclusion of very rare short duration bursts of magnetic connectivity over vast distances, with the thinning of the magnetic tube acting to accelerate the particles way beyond the speed of light due to "pressure". Also come to the conclusion that whichever side of the flux tube is more active (a bigger producer of Interstellar waves/particles) would over power the over and flood that side, given reasonable "power" advantage to one


Even, if say, the energies (from novas or whatever) come into the 'local fluff' and become the denser, faster mor energized aspects of the fluff...the fluff would be variable throughout, and the little bits that are 'denser' would act as a better 'conductor' for the more intense energies from the explosions and consequent energies out in interstellar space.

I would agree, due to the higher concentration's of "particles" in certain areas which I would almost guarantee that the conductive nature of those areas would be increased, But I would also assume that they may act as a form of barrier and soak into them more radiation and particles, making those places even warmer and more actively conductive than the areas around them.

Effectively repowering the CME when it is far from any heat source.

That was my idea as to how certain denser columns of the fluff could have possibly penetrated the heliosphere...along with magnetic fields that are created from the energies...

I would assume that they would enter from the tail of the heliosphere (wherever that is pointing due to our movement throught the cloud and the clouds movement itself). I would again assume that as we are moving through it, it should act to increase the overall impact velocity of the "cloud" giving it more chance to "perferate" part of the heliosphere or "snap back" the tail.

Either way is possible to my mind, just like the magnetosphere on earth. But I guess we will have to wait and see, It should be easy to tell when and if particles from the fluff reach our planet, as the overall make-up of it should be vastly different.

Another thing, if it does act like our magnetosphere, then moving quickly from one strong polarity to the other or from dense to not dense "should" affect the producer of the magnetic field (heliosphere) equal and opposite reactions so to speak, you slam something into the magnetosphere, it pushes back and alters the positioning of the magnetic field lines emanating from the source.

With something as fluid as the sun and not solid like our earth (on earth you can see the effect of a hard slam on our magnetosphere as the auroras tend to drop in latitude due to the compression of the magnetosphere and where that compression will force the magnetic lines to come out from the earth.

Anyway, with the sun, think of the same effect on the magnetic field lines would effectively enlarge the visible poles of the sun and well my assumption would be that it would compress the other areas and make the magnetic fields on sunspots, etc, much more likely to violently snap as they should innately be under more tension.

Let alone the effect that an influx of foreign stella particles would have on the interplanetary magnetic field




also adding a bit here while I'm at it.

I would assume also that unelss there is a sudden massive influx of stella particles that our solar wind would with no problem push away these particles and not allow them to reach very far into the inside of the heliosphere.


Yeah, thats the one I want to go over...fucking beautiful images in my mind concerning this...
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a quick note in my head...z-pinch the area of heavier elements, instead of just a breaking apart of the tube...wa-la...star formation process if enough energized plasma was available
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Yeah, thats the one I want to go over...fucking beautiful images in my mind concerning this...
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Lol, do excuse the mistakes of grammar and/or spelling etc in there.

Anyway back to ibex and the magnetosphere.

I haven't as of yet been able to find the actual data, but I also think it would take some time for them to compute it into a graphical model representation of the actual data.

I do think that the "artist's impression" of the words gives a good idea as to exactly what they mean though.

Do indeed post if you find the actual data :)

And it is very interesting.
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Re: IBEX - Looks Back at Earth and Catches a Head-On Crash Between Solar Wind and Earth's Magnetic Field
Yeah, thats the one I want to go over...fucking beautiful images in my mind concerning this...


Lol, do excuse the mistakes of grammar and/or spelling etc in there.

Anyway back to ibex and the magnetosphere.

I haven't as of yet been able to find the actual data, but I also think it would take some time for them to compute it into a graphical model representation of the actual data.

I do think that the "artist's impression" of the words gives a good idea as to exactly what they mean though.

Do indeed post if you find the actual data :)

And it is very interesting.
 Quoting: OTOC


It never does, does it...its like an artist rendering of the sun...you cannot get the proper idea, because the 'process' of all the different interactions is missing...





GLP