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Faraday Cage discussion (spinoff from SickScent's "Boeing Guy" thread)

 
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Faraday Cage discussion (spinoff from SickScent's "Boeing Guy" thread)
Ok, so in SickScent's "Boeing Guy" thread Thread: BOEING GUY we briefly touched on information regarding making a faraday cage. There were some informative posts:

...Can't you use an old microwave, fridge or freezer as a faraday cage?

I have heard you can, but you still have to prep it properly...
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First of all, allow me to dispel some myths about Faraday cages—and boy, howdy, there are a LOT of them.

* Whether or not your electronics are plugged in, how long of an antenna you’ve got on something, what voltage it is, or whether or not they operate with batteries—all non-protected electronics will be affected by an EMP.
* Batteries will be affected, usually in the form of “shorting” as well.
* Electronic phone systems will also be damaged.
* Surge protectors are useless in the event of an EMP exposure.
* Just because your car has rubber tires, it will not be impervious to the effects of an EMP. Rubber containers are insufficient protection against an EMP.
* And oh yeah—yes, your Faraday cages DO need to be grounded. If it’s NOT grounded, then the Faraday cage merely becomes a reflector or an amplifier.
* Yes, a microwave can act as a Faraday cage, but why in the world would you want to use it for that? That’s just silly when you can make one simply.
* Faraday cages do not have to be solid, thus the name “cage” instead of the oft misused term—“box.” In fact, many of them that you can build yourself or will see on the internet will resemble a bird cage or a very finely meshed chicken coop wire.
* Also, contrary to what you may see on the internet, a sheet of foil on a box will not protect you. It’s not thick enough to withstand the pulse. However, you CAN protect your items if they are buried a couple of feet underground in every direction (up and sideways.)
* Last, but not least, a car is NOT a Faraday cage sufficient to withstand an EMP incident. It has some similar components, yes. Most cars made today consist of fiberglass and disjointed parts, not a continuous metal material. In addition to that, they are on tires. Tires on a car do NOT serve as grounding. Folks are simply getting an EMP strike confused with a lightening strike. Now, IF you had an old fashioned car that was made of metal, that had its tires removed, that was also attached to an Iron or copper pole and that was ALSO on dirt—not gravel—then yes, you may have a car that doubles as a Faraday cage. (Kind of like the old clunker my dad has out in his “back forty.”
* The cages do not have to be solid, but they do have to be constructed continuously without gaps between the protective material.
 Quoting: phizzycyst


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nwdoom: SS, Do you have a Faraday Cage? Me and my dad built one 8 feet by 4 feet wide by four feet tall. Have alternators, 3 generators, nightvision, radios etc...
if an EMP from the sun hits and you dont have your vital electrical compnents in the cage you are screwed.
Oh and by the way the MYTH that if the electrical component is turn off an EMP wont hurt it BS
Also read "One Second After"

Sickscent: I don't have one...I am up in the air with how much they would actually help...if the entire grid goes down, you'll have to work off other power supplies...etc. i think it is a good short term thing to do, but I haven't gotten around to it.

nwdoom: I forgot to ask, how long would this event last? Assuming the cage worked you would not want to open it at the wrong time!

Sickscent: They do not know exactly what the event IS...but longer than a lifetime...

There is some research done, through plasma events, that conclude that it could last for more than 3000 years...
 Quoting: Sickscent



I am not versed in electronics or how electricity works, but I would like to know if using a Faraday cage would be feasible if the 1800's scenario happens.

I know that there won't be electricity available for the general public if a CME causes an EMP which knocks out the power grid and makes all electrical things stop working.

I also understand that this EMP may actually turn out to be a continuous EMP or if not continuous, other EMPs may still continue to re-occur frequently over many months, years, or more.

So, if someone would like to have a personal home entertainment area set up in a faraday cage (small computer to look up stored information and play games on, maybe a DVD player and TV, maybe a CD player with speakers, etc.), and perhaps run it with solar panels or wind generated power which would go by cables into some kind of battery set up inside of the cage - is it possible?

How would one go about protecting the electronics inside the faraday cage?

Would it stop working as soon as someone opened the door to get inside of it?

Should we make "a cage within a cage" as a kind of an "airlock" (in this case an EMP lock!) to protect from the EMP rays getting inside?

Or would the rays get inside in between the two cages once the first door is opened, and ruin the electronics anyway?
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Re: Faraday Cage discussion (spinoff from SickScent's "Boeing Guy" thread)
Did you see the link I posted?

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Re: Faraday Cage discussion (spinoff from SickScent's "Boeing Guy" thread)
Did you see the link I posted?

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Hey that's great, thanks! hf I hadn't seen it but I just looked and it seems to be some very useful information!

Any idea if one would have to build a cage within a cage for a continuous EMP, or if that would even work?
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Did you see the link I posted?

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Hey that's great, thanks! hf I hadn't seen it but I just looked and it seems to be some very useful information!

Any idea if one would have to build a cage within a cage for a continuous EMP, or if that would even work?
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There are several different pages on that website that might answer some of those questions...Having a year supply of food and water would be a better goal rather than building faraday cages...in my opinion.
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Re: Faraday Cage discussion (spinoff from SickScent's "Boeing Guy" thread)
We have water on property, and have been steadily working on our food pantry.

I was hoping to provide entertainment and education during those long cold Wisconsin winters! Books are great, but movies and music would to a lot to keep up morale! hf
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Re: Faraday Cage discussion (spinoff from SickScent's "Boeing Guy" thread)
Good thread. My question, which may be a different thread, so sorry if that is so, is this:


What are some of the best, affordable solar panel systems for emergency power? I imagine that the electronics from the regulator or whatever from the solar panel system would need to also be protected from an EMP, correct?

What are some options for solar panels and what exact equipment is needed to run solar power, totally off the grid?

Thank you!
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Did you see the link I posted?

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That person's description of making faraday cages with aluminum foil or space blankets is completely inadequate.
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Re: Faraday Cage discussion (spinoff from SickScent's "Boeing Guy" thread)
You want to see a room-sized Faraday cage, rent Enemy of the State and watch for the scene when Gene Hackman returns to his hideout. The large mesh and chain-link cage he has in that warehouse is a professional Faraday cage, or a mock up of one at least.
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Re: Faraday Cage discussion (spinoff from SickScent's "Boeing Guy" thread)
You want to see a room-sized Faraday cage, rent Enemy of the State and watch for the scene when Gene Hackman returns to his hideout. The large mesh and chain-link cage he has in that warehouse is a professional Faraday cage, or a mock up of one at least.
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Thanks, I saw that movie a long time ago and your post makes me remember it - I'll have to check it out again!

Does anyone have an idea if the EMP is continuous how to stop the "rays" from getting into the Faraday cage when the door is opened to get in and out of it? Would having a cage within a cage work?
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Re: Faraday Cage discussion (spinoff from SickScent's "Boeing Guy" thread)
so, would a cage within a cage be a good idea to keep out EMP 'rays' when the cage is opened?
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Tell me more. I'm very interested in this topic!
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Re: Faraday Cage discussion (spinoff from SickScent's "Boeing Guy" thread)
A solar CME will not fry your small electronics that are "off grid", what it will do is couple long wave fields to power and phone lines etc.... there will be surges that blow transformers, switching eqipment etc...

The problem is that if the event is so large that the whole infrastructure is damaged, there will not be enough transformers and other spare parts to bring the grid up again. Also capacity to manufacture these parts will be destroyed.... might be years before we are back up to capacity





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