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another intrusion and violation of the Constitution




Sheriffs want lists of patients using painkillers
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Sheriffs in North Carolina want access to state computer records identifying anyone with prescriptions for powerful painkillers and other controlled substances.

The state sheriff's association pushed the idea Tuesday, saying the move would help them make drug arrests and curb a growing problem of prescription drug abuse. But patient advocates say opening up people's medicine cabinets to law enforcement would deal a devastating blow to privacy rights.

Allowing sheriffs' offices and other law enforcement officials to use the state's computerized list would vastly widen the circle of people with access to information on prescriptions written for millions of people. As it stands now, doctors and pharmacists are the main users.

Sheriffs made their pitch Tuesday to a legislative health care committee looking for ways to confront prescription drug abuse. Local sheriffs said that more people in their counties die of accidental overdoses than from homicides.

"We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.


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another intrusion and violation of the Constitution




Sheriffs want lists of patients using painkillers
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Sheriffs in North Carolina want access to state computer records identifying anyone with prescriptions for powerful painkillers and other controlled substances.

The state sheriff's association pushed the idea Tuesday, saying the move would help them make drug arrests and curb a growing problem of prescription drug abuse. But patient advocates say opening up people's medicine cabinets to law enforcement would deal a devastating blow to privacy rights.

Allowing sheriffs' offices and other law enforcement officials to use the state's computerized list would vastly widen the circle of people with access to information on prescriptions written for millions of people. As it stands now, doctors and pharmacists are the main users.

Sheriffs made their pitch Tuesday to a legislative health care committee looking for ways to confront prescription drug abuse. Local sheriffs said that more people in their counties die of accidental overdoses than from homicides.

"We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.


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 Quoting: Stu


"curb a growing problem of prescription drug abuse"

That does not make sense. How could they know if I am taking to many pain killers. I'm the one in pain, not them.
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DUI.

There's no telling what all inof is onboard their pc.
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DUI.

There's no telling what all inof is onboard their pc.
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I dont think you quite get it


think again what precedent this sets
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So what, are they going to go door to door and check to make sure you have the exact amount of painkillers you're supposed to have? If someone is in massive pain one day and takes double their normal dose, will they get arrested for being one short and therefore a possible drug dealer?
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Alarm bells aqre going off, and I only use OTC's.
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"We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.


Hey, I got an idea. How about the sheriffs go after actual crime, instead of impersonating MD's and deciding how much is "too much" pain killer. Obviously, this guy has never been in REAL pain. Every year people kill themselves from the depression and misery brought about by uncontrolled pain too. His point...?
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"controlling" health foods and supplements is bad enough


and now this.


now add in Obamacare


this is a violation of cause to search
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"controlling" health foods and supplements is bad enough


and now this.


now add in Obamacare


this is a violation of cause to search
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So are traffic stops where they are checking for seat-belts/drunk drivers/whatever else. That was actually ruled unconstitutional, but it still happens.
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another intrusion and violation of the Constitution




Sheriffs want lists of patients using painkillers
Advertisements [?]Source: Raleigh News & Observer


Sheriffs in North Carolina want access to state computer records identifying anyone with prescriptions for powerful painkillers and other controlled substances.

The state sheriff's association pushed the idea Tuesday, saying the move would help them make drug arrests and curb a growing problem of prescription drug abuse. But patient advocates say opening up people's medicine cabinets to law enforcement would deal a devastating blow to privacy rights.

Allowing sheriffs' offices and other law enforcement officials to use the state's computerized list would vastly widen the circle of people with access to information on prescriptions written for millions of people. As it stands now, doctors and pharmacists are the main users.

Sheriffs made their pitch Tuesday to a legislative health care committee looking for ways to confront prescription drug abuse. Local sheriffs said that more people in their counties die of accidental overdoses than from homicides.

"We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.


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 Quoting: Stu

They just want to create a new class of "criminal" to go after.

Cops have to make it look like they are needed.

It's just like when the government invented "terrorists". Except the cops have to do it more frequently, because their abuses are so much closer to home.
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"We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.


Hey, I got an idea. How about the sheriffs go after actual crime, instead of impersonating MD's and deciding how much is "too much" pain killer. Obviously, this guy has never been in REAL pain. Every year people kill themselves from the depression and misery brought about by uncontrolled pain too. His point...?
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"We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.


Hey, I got an idea. How about the sheriffs go after actual crime, instead of impersonating MD's and deciding how much is "too much" pain killer. Obviously, this guy has never been in REAL pain. Every year people kill themselves from the depression and misery brought about by uncontrolled pain too. His point...?





You've missed the point. This isn't about PAIN or DRUGS; it's about CONTROL, FASCISM, and expanding the POLICE STATE.
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That's been going on for years, not enough people care for it to change though. Well, maybe people do care, but there is no one willing to take the lead and start the process of change.
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Im a registered nurse in Raleigh, NC. I constantly see and am frustrated by prescription drug abuse and know very much how bad it is.

However, the Sheriff's Dept or any other law enforcement agency has absolutely no business in people's medical records. This is a very slippery slope and hopefully this crock of shit does not pass.
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I've only had brief bouts with real pain. Never took pain killers in my life, but I know well enough that I wouln't want constant pain.

So, who are these communist sheriffs going to protect? The person with a broken tooth that took an extra pain killer that was prescribed for a different condition.

They are going to protect people from themselves?

How about protecting me from getting shot when a drug deal goes bad in the apartment below me and bullets start flying and some idiot decides to fire his pistol straight up?

Hillary Clinton said today that Mexico's drug problem is turning into the insurgency of 20 years ago in columbia. We've got a problem, a real threat.
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I've only had brief bouts with real pain. Never took pain killers in my life, but I know well enough that I wouln't want constant pain.

So, who are these communist sheriffs going to protect? The person with a broken tooth that took an extra pain killer that was prescribed for a different condition.

They are going to protect people from themselves?

How about protecting me from getting shot when a drug deal goes bad in the apartment below me and bullets start flying and some idiot decides to fire his pistol straight up?

Hillary Clinton said today that Mexico's drug problem is turning into the insurgency of 20 years ago in columbia. We've got a problem, a real threat.
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If drugs were legal there wouldn't be that problem.
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Maybe they want to also know who is taking psychiatric drugs like antidepressants, since these people may be potential psychos who get "get out of control."

Could be why the pentagon is trying to prevent vets and ex-vets from having guns at home. Since so many veterans are on these drugs for PTSD, they could get out of control and be a threat to the "establishment."
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Soon, under death care, the Feds will have all that information w/o the need to go through you. That is when the government docs will stop giving out pain meds. They won't take the risk of going to jail for your pain.
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another intrusion and violation of the Constitution


"We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.


By abusing the system themselves. Par.
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Maybe they want to also know who is taking psychiatric drugs like antidepressants, since these people may be potential psychos who get "get out of control."

Could be why the pentagon is trying to prevent vets and ex-vets from having guns at home. Since so many veterans are on these drugs for PTSD, they could get out of control and be a threat to the "establishment."
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fuck that, I'm a vet, taking the guns away from people who have already helped defend the country is the most retarded shit ever.
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That would constitute a search without probable cause. A fishing expedition without a judge being involved.
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Im a registered nurse in Raleigh, NC. I constantly see and am frustrated by prescription drug abuse and know very much how bad it is.

However, the Sheriff's Dept or any other law enforcement agency has absolutely no business in people's medical records. This is a very slippery slope and hopefully this crock of shit does not pass.
 Quoting: Ratla 1086819


It's good to hear a healthcare pro chime in on this issue, and I agree with you.
As I have some close friends in the same field, I have posed them this same question that I now ask you:
How much do you feel the pharmacutical industry is to blame here?
In the last 5 years I have had 2 back surgeries(3 herniated disc's), and a round of NH Lymphoma(stage 2). Needless to say I wound up pretty damn strung out, not to mention the withdrawls I had to go through for 3-6 months! It is a vicious cycle.
As far as letting cops in to check my fucking medicine cabinet...they can have my house keys, when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers!!!

One thing to look at here is the medical marajuana issue(which I am ALL FOR!), is NC a med mj state? Are they trying to set a precident to avoid legal loop holes for ILLEGAL searches???
Cause IMHO, this is the biggest crock of shit I've EVER heard of!
Talk about a COMPLETE waste of police resources...

If the person who introduced this is an "elected official", and EVER get's re-elected...then the people of NC EPICALLY failed.
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FREE THE WEED! FREE THE WEED! FREE THE WEED!!!!
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if by some moronic reason this were allowed to go through, it would die almost immediately.

This is a violation of HIPPA, which is pretty much the final word when it comes to healthcare privacy.
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Doesnt the prescription monitoring program allow law enforcement to see this information already?

I see what they are doing. They are trying to make criminals from legally obtained drugs. So now if we dont want them to know we will have to buy them off the street.

Glad I dont do pills because I would be alot more paranoid.
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if by some moronic reason this were allowed to go through, it would die almost immediately.

This is a violation of HIPPA, which is pretty much the final word when it comes to healthcare privacy.
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maybe or maybe not

but the gist of it all is government keeps pushing the envelope slowly week after week, month after month, methodically twisting the screws

like a slow drip Chinese water torture until one day you wake up and say :

what happened ?
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if by some moronic reason this were allowed to go through, it would die almost immediately.

This is a violation of HIPPA, which is pretty much the final word when it comes to healthcare privacy.



maybe or maybe not

but the gist of it all is government keeps pushing the envelope slowly week after week, month after month, methodically twisting the screws

like a slow drip Chinese water torture until one day you wake up and say :

what happened ?
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Well, this is exactly the thing that HIPPA was designed to thwart. So, if this did withstand challenge, it would mean the end of privacy period.

The thing is, lawmakers can pass any moronic excuse for a law that they wish. They could pass a law that makes breathing illegal, for instance. And the law would stand, until it was challenged in court. Once challenged, it must stand on its constitutionality or be stricken down.

That's the way the system works. And, on the whole, it works pretty well. (yeah, I know. I just opened a whole can of whoopa$$ on myself with that last sentence, but darned it, I'm a proud American and I believe it.)
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This is total bsflag when are we gonna start fighting back!
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I don't like this at all, one of my biggest concerns about "Obamacare".

That being said, they need to do something about the people driving on these. I see tons of people "doped" out of their minds legally, in my drive-thru, everyday, they are just as bad as drunks.
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I don't like this at all, one of my biggest concerns about "Obamacare".

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