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Woodsprite

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So what, are they going to go door to door and check to make sure you have the exact amount of painkillers you're supposed to have? If someone is in massive pain one day and takes double their normal dose, will they get arrested for being one short and therefore a possible drug dealer?
 Quoting: korp


What they do right now, is anyone that is on powerful pain meds, are able to be called into the Dr.'s office and forced to bring their pill bottle in for a "pill count"
If your number of pills dosen't add up, like if you were in more pain than usual and took a double dose for a day or 2...it would be enough for them to yank your prescription, and you'd be cut off, cold turkey.
The Pharmacy also keeps track of the pain killers issued to a person...if their data base says that you are getting a bunch of meds, it's enough for them to 'red flag" you, and turn you in for prescription drug abuse...'Doctor shopping".
Even if all the Dr.'s are aware of the other prescriptions , you can still end up in jail.

It's already enough....I seen no need for Law Enforcement to have access to records like they are wanting.
It really is an invasion of privacy...and I can see them using it as a weapon to harass anyone that legally takes pain meds...like every time you pull out of your driveway, you are pulled over and given a field sobriety test...just because you have the prescription.
Too many 'visitors" to your house...enough for them to come knock on your door and force a pill count, or search your house.
Nope...this is a very bad idea!!!
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maybe the sheriff will be able to pay the 250,000 fine for each HIPPA violation.

Pt privacy is not taken lightly, this will never happen guys.
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Already been done away with in the health care bill.. all your medical records are going straight to this Islamic run government.. Who will by next year decide who is fit to live and who dies.. it's a great way to save money.. Hitler did it.. and there were hardly any sick people in Germany. Baby Boomers: you signed your own death warrants..when you cast your vote.
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BWAAHAHAHAHA! Look at all the druggies in this thread crying about how bad they need their pain pills, trying to justify their bullshit fibromyalgia and morgellons!

Fucking addicts, I hope you all blow your fucking heads off, you useless, lazy, pieces of shit.

flipsuicideflip
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Looks like someone needs another type of medication.. Seek therapy, you need anti-psychotics.
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BWAAHAHAHAHA! Look at all the druggies in this thread crying about how bad they need their pain pills, trying to justify their bullshit fibromyalgia and morgellons!

Fucking addicts, I hope you all blow your fucking heads off, you useless, lazy, pieces of shit.

flipsuicideflip
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They need to be forced to start wearing a yellow star... that way we would all know who that are.
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So what, are they going to go door to door and check to make sure you have the exact amount of painkillers you're supposed to have? If someone is in massive pain one day and takes double their normal dose, will they get arrested for being one short and therefore a possible drug dealer?
 Quoting: korp


More than likely they will target these people, pull them over, and arrest them for DWI.
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09/09/2010 08:56 AM
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Im a registered nurse in Raleigh, NC. I constantly see and am frustrated by prescription drug abuse and know very much how bad it is.

However, the Sheriff's Dept or any other law enforcement agency has absolutely no business in people's medical records. This is a very slippery slope and hopefully this crock of shit does not pass.
 Quoting: Ratla 1086819


The extreme problem in NC is caused by "pill mills" in south Florida. I have never seen so many people addicted to narcotics in my life as I have since moving to Fl. Thier are doctor offices in south Fl that literally have lines that wrap around the block. Walk, say your back hurst and get a script for oxicodone. People are driving in from other states because of these guys.

Screw eroding our rights further, go after the sleazy gready "doctors" who are abusing the people
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Im a registered nurse in Raleigh, NC. I constantly see and am frustrated by prescription drug abuse and know very much how bad it is.

However, the Sheriff's Dept or any other law enforcement agency has absolutely no business in people's medical records. This is a very slippery slope and hopefully this crock of shit does not pass.
 Quoting: Ratla 1086819


The extreme problem in NC is caused by "pill mills" in south Florida. I have never seen so many people addicted to narcotics in my life as I have since moving to Fl. Thier are doctor offices in south Fl that literally have lines that wrap around the block. Walk, say your back hurst and get a script for oxicodone. People are driving in from other states because of these guys.

Screw eroding our rights further, go after the sleazy gready "doctors" who are abusing the people
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Well, those sheriffs can go fuck themselves, because mine...or anyone elses medical condition is none of their business.

I'm a cancer survivor who has been on narcotic pain medication for the past 6 years. There is no other alternative for me. I have watched a countless number of friends and family members ruin their lives over the thrill of the high that these drugs provide, but the case in point, is that those people didn't need the medication. When it is doing it's job for those who need it, you don't get the "high" associated with abusing them for pleasure.

The real attack here is getting rid of the doctor patient confidentiality and moves us one step closer to pre-crime punishments of the innocent. Maybe the law enforcement should focus more on ridding their state of the fake, half-legal "pill farms" that are providing the country with limitless amounts of prescription medication to people who are not sick and who are using it to make money. Fuk those people, too.

This is NO different than the babysitting of the poppy plants in Afghanistan. (Created) problem. (Staged) reaction. (Final) solution. Welcome to the USSA.
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See..This is why I don't see doctors anymore.

I even offer to pay with cash, but they all say I must sign this and that so the government can access my records.

Screw it. I'll just OD on Advil if I have pain and pay in cash.

Seek out natural healers and shamans I guess.
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09/09/2010 09:18 AM
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My daughter is on pain meds & was told by her doctor they now require urine samples to make sure people are taking & not selling them. This is outrageous!!
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09/09/2010 09:29 AM
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BWAAHAHAHAHA! Look at all the druggies in this thread crying about how bad they need their pain pills, trying to justify their bullshit fibromyalgia and morgellons!

Fucking addicts, I hope you all blow your fucking heads off, you useless, lazy, pieces of shit.

flipsuicideflip
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090516


Your moms buying my extra pills, douchenozzle.
"Majority of Amerika is too awash in its own mediocrity to commit to fighting for freedom" Mojo
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Drs write the rx u get arrested. Hipa is tits on a bull useless
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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This is insane.. so now you have 0bama, tax man, and the sheriff all in the exam room with you and your Doctor..
This is like Nazi Germany.. setting up to be far worse.
 Quoting: ceawaves


They are now making drunk drivers in several states put alcohol detection devices in their cars. Car won't start if it detects alcohol. Can't afford it, no problem, taxpayers will pay for this. The plan by the feds is to have all new cars sold in the US to come equipped with this device. One problem: doesn't detect pills in a driver's system.

All of this tracking stuff is a forerunner of the mark of the beast.
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I don't like this at all, one of my biggest concerns about "Obamacare".




bet you the sheriff is a republican
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Ha !!

The exact opposite.

He's probably an Obama-worshiping democrat/fascist.
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I heard yesterday that perscription drug abuse has now surpassed car accidents as the leading cause of death.
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Im a registered nurse in Raleigh, NC. I constantly see and am frustrated by prescription drug abuse and know very much how bad it is.

However, the Sheriff's Dept or any other law enforcement agency has absolutely no business in people's medical records. This is a very slippery slope and hopefully this crock of shit does not pass.


The extreme problem in NC is caused by "pill mills" in south Florida. I have never seen so many people addicted to narcotics in my life as I have since moving to Fl. Thier are doctor offices in south Fl that literally have lines that wrap around the block. Walk, say your back hurst and get a script for oxicodone. People are driving in from other states because of these guys.

Screw eroding our rights further, go after the sleazy gready "doctors" who are abusing the people
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1089359


It is also big pharmas issue, much like the tobacco industry, they realize the pills are addictive.

they puch the use on the doctors, get the patients addicted, and keep them coming back in to get their co-pays and the ability to keep charging the insurance companies.

Lets place at least some of the blame outside the pain patients, not all of them are scumbags.
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I think what they want to focus on are the ones who DO abuse the system by getting the prescriptions and then selling it instead of taking it.

But that should be all the info is used for. Not to become pill Nazi's and arrest people because they are 1 pill short at the end of the month.

Problem is if you give these people an inch...
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why does this feel like it's just the beginning of many fights we are going to have against this facist regime that is taking over. They are going to keep pushing on every front, to keep people in a frenzy, not knowing which way it coming, and being so tired from it all things will start slipping by. LIke a dog cornered, being poked at by 30 different sticks, eventually they stop anticipating, fighting, they just lay down and die....

that's what they want,
the evil bastards that have taken over this country, taken over the college and schools, and brainwashed your kids,
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This is insane.. so now you have 0bama, tax man, and the sheriff all in the exam room with you and your Doctor..
This is like Nazi Germany.. setting up to be far worse.


They are now making drunk drivers in several states put alcohol detection devices in their cars. Car won't start if it detects alcohol. Can't afford it, no problem, taxpayers will pay for this. The plan by the feds is to have all new cars sold in the US to come equipped with this device. One problem: doesn't detect pills in a driver's system.

All of this tracking stuff is a forerunner of the mark of the beast.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1094099

Forerunner? maybe you better check again.. the beast owning everybody now. Just need to tie up a few lose ends.
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So what, are they going to go door to door and check to make sure you have the exact amount of painkillers you're supposed to have? If someone is in massive pain one day and takes double their normal dose, will they get arrested for being one short and therefore a possible drug dealer?


What they do right now, is anyone that is on powerful pain meds, are able to be called into the Dr.'s office and forced to bring their pill bottle in for a "pill count"
If your number of pills dosen't add up, like if you were in more pain than usual and took a double dose for a day or 2...it would be enough for them to yank your prescription, and you'd be cut off, cold turkey.
The Pharmacy also keeps track of the pain killers issued to a person...if their data base says that you are getting a bunch of meds, it's enough for them to 'red flag" you, and turn you in for prescription drug abuse...'Doctor shopping".
Even if all the Dr.'s are aware of the other prescriptions , you can still end up in jail.

It's already enough....I seen no need for Law Enforcement to have access to records like they are wanting.
It really is an invasion of privacy...and I can see them using it as a weapon to harass anyone that legally takes pain meds...like every time you pull out of your driveway, you are pulled over and given a field sobriety test...just because you have the prescription.
Too many 'visitors" to your house...enough for them to come knock on your door and force a pill count, or search your house.
Nope...this is a very bad idea!!!
 Quoting: Woodsprite



Not to mention people that just snoop in other people's medicine cabinets and snatch any pain killers they see. I was told one tablet of Vicodin sells for like $30.00.

My ex was a real estate agent and had to advise all his clients to hide their pain killers before he did an open house because people would come through open houses just to steal pain killers from medicine cabinets.
"Arrows of hate have been shot at me too, but they never hit me, because somehow they belonged to another world, with which I have no connection whatsoever." - Albert Einstein
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I heard yesterday that perscription drug abuse has now surpassed car accidents as the leading cause of death.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter


They DO need to do something about the people that drive under the influence of their pain pills. They are an accident waiting to happen.

My soon to be ex is one of them. He recently wrecked his car. What if my children had been in the car with him? He thinks nothing of eating his pain meds and washing it down with a double shot of vodka and hopping into the car.
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just looking for more ways to make $$$$$$$




EVERYTHING THAT TAKES AWAY YOUR FREEDOM IS ASSOCIATED WITH SOME KIND OF FINE!!!!!!
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BWAAHAHAHAHA! Look at all the druggies in this thread crying about how bad they need their pain pills, trying to justify their bullshit fibromyalgia and morgellons!

Fucking addicts, I hope you all blow your fucking heads off, you useless, lazy, pieces of shit.

flipsuicideflip
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090516

I am sure the universal natural justice system will seek you out for reperations if you carry on thinking that belief is ok, dont put any strength or venom into those thoughts because they will be back to ensure you know exactly what it is to be in that position.
cant wait, do keep us informed, im going to love that thread.


My life was great then i had a car crash, now i cant even fart without crying in pain...ask me a question.
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US Pharmacies are already wired. It is a known fact Homeland Security uses sales figures of OTC pain meds, flu meds as a first line indication of bio/chem terrorism or massive plague outbreak.

If sales of tylenol or advil shoot through the roof in a local region, it is an indication something has happened to the population such as flu outbreak or worse.

People are flagged if they purchase so many products with DMX in it in a period of time.

Cops already have that info, this is just a sympathetic story of disinfo to cover up what they already know and track about you.

It is true, the government knows more about yourself then you do!
 Quoting: ºCRAPº



Exactly why I have stopped going to the doctor, I know that sounds self destructive but I'm a healthy person and I don't really have any reason to see a doctor right now. I don't use banks either. Paranoid? I just like my privacy....
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just looking for more ways to make $$$$$$$




EVERYTHING THAT TAKES AWAY YOUR FREEDOM IS ASSOCIATED WITH SOME KIND OF FINE!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1056273

That is so true, by making it look like your breaking the law to participate in that behaviour and it will cost you money.
Of course people see it as bad and toe the line, stupid fuckers.
on a personal note i have been living personal anarchy for quite a while now and don't see myself giving it up any time soon, do i break the law, yes i do but nothing involving minors and nothing sexual, and murder is a no no too. :)
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I heard yesterday that perscription drug abuse has now surpassed car accidents as the leading cause of death.


They DO need to do something about the people that drive under the influence of their pain pills. They are an accident waiting to happen.

GREAT IDEA!
!!Let's arrest everyone who may have an accident!!
!!Fill up more jails!!
!!CREATE JOBS!!

!!AMERIKA the POLICE STATE!!
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"We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.


Hey, I got an idea. How about the sheriffs go after actual crime, instead of impersonating MD's and deciding how much is "too much" pain killer. Obviously, this guy has never been in REAL pain. Every year people kill themselves from the depression and misery brought about by uncontrolled pain too. His point...?





You've missed the point. This isn't about PAIN or DRUGS; it's about CONTROL, FASCISM, and expanding the POLICE STATE.
 Quoting: SmartestOne


You are so right!
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another intrusion and violation of the Constitution




Sheriffs want lists of patients using painkillers
Advertisements [?]Source: Raleigh News & Observer


Sheriffs in North Carolina want access to state computer records identifying anyone with prescriptions for powerful painkillers and other controlled substances.

The state sheriff's association pushed the idea Tuesday, saying the move would help them make drug arrests and curb a growing problem of prescription drug abuse. But patient advocates say opening up people's medicine cabinets to law enforcement would deal a devastating blow to privacy rights.

Allowing sheriffs' offices and other law enforcement officials to use the state's computerized list would vastly widen the circle of people with access to information on prescriptions written for millions of people. As it stands now, doctors and pharmacists are the main users.

Sheriffs made their pitch Tuesday to a legislative health care committee looking for ways to confront prescription drug abuse. Local sheriffs said that more people in their counties die of accidental overdoses than from homicides.

"We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.


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 Quoting: Stu


And so the sheriff is now going to be the judge of who is abusing??????????????????????????????????????

And how is said sheriff going to determine that???????????/

And so the sheriff is going to determine who can drive, who can make decisions, who is mentally fit, who is a junkie and just plain doesn't deserve to have their pain relieved based on what????????????????????????

His own personal opinion and bias.

This is an outrage!!

And how will this sheriff accost said abuser.........on the street, in your home, at your job????????????????

This is so corrupt on so many levels.

Gawd knows the sheriff can't stop illegals in Arizona and profile THEM but he can suddenly have the power in NC to invade people's private lives and destroy them.

Gawd know though that there won't be a single junkie/abuser found among the collective group of illegals.

So....the sheriff can just selectively go after anyone he deems as unfit, drugged up or what???????????/

This country needs a good smack down for the twisted insane laws and rules it is pumping out at will to fit whoever wants to do whatever.

This is a four-finger puke.
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I think what they want to focus on are the ones who DO abuse the system by getting the prescriptions and then selling it instead of taking it.

But that should be all the info is used for. Not to become pill Nazi's and arrest people because they are 1 pill short at the end of the month.

Problem is if you give these people an inch...
 Quoting: domesticangel


Thats easy to start with, If you dont have a name on the prescription bottle=jail

If you double dip with doctors and pharmacies=jail

If you get caught selling or buying drugs=jail

Lets not get close to taking away needed drugs, for the ones that need tham.

My G/F has M.S., and she takes vicodin AS NEEDED for pain.

Its not every 6 hours, sometimes its every 3 days, but when she needs them she REALLY needs them.

Just like alcohol, there are people that fuck it up for the ones without a problem.
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"We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.


Hey, I got an idea. How about the sheriffs go after actual crime, instead of impersonating MD's and deciding how much is "too much" pain killer. Obviously, this guy has never been in REAL pain. Every year people kill themselves from the depression and misery brought about by uncontrolled pain too. His point...?





You've missed the point. This isn't about PAIN or DRUGS; it's about CONTROL, FASCISM, and expanding the POLICE STATE.


You are so right!
 Quoting: Seeker525


I so agree!!





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