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HOW CAN CHRISTIANS CLAIM THAT THE BIBLE IS FROM GOD WHEN IT WAS INVENTED BY EMPEROR CONSTANTINE?

 
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Back in the early 300AD emperor Constantine was reigning over a declining roman empire and witnessing daily unrest caused by squabbling regarding religious christian dogma.
The quarrelling was about weather the centrepiece of christianity, Jesus, was a man or a god.
To calm the situation he called a meeting of 300 bishops and some otehr religious representatives and asked them to sort out their differences once and for all.
The synod was presented with all the available manuscripts, letters, gospels, torahs and whatever else was available and the delegates were asked to sort out what this new christianity was all about.
The result was that in order to appease each arguing faction, 66 books(note the satanic number 66) were chosen and lumped together as an anthology to be called The Bible. All other books which contradicted the ones chosen were rejected , including the gospels of Thomas and Peter, the apogripha and many others.

this is a well known and historically recorded fact.

So if this bibleis such an obviously artificially manufactured religious book intended for the control and manipulation of an illitterate population......how on earth could it be claimed that this book is from god????
when it was commissioned by Constantine??
also, the divinity of Jesus was also decided at that meeting.
The decision was that God was made up of 3 persons and Jesus was one of these 3 person who together make up God.

This was an arbitrary conclusion as God (the original Yahwee good of the old testament) had never mentioned this before.
Never, until this bishop meeting had God stated that he was split into 3 parts, one of which was Jesus.

So why???in this day and age when we are intelligent and educated and can read by ourselves without need for the priest to read us the scriptures, why haven't we figured out that this bible is a big fraud???
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no bibletard will answer..
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The books as found in todays canon of the King James NT were agreed upon as scripture, and no other, in the second century or earlier as they became available.

Fact #1) The fact of the four-fold gospel is reflected in the "Muratorian Fragment" that Irenaeus was writing, around 170 A.D. The Muratorian Fragment lists for us basically the whole New Testament canon and it shows us that the four-fold gospel was an established fact by then.

Fact #2) We have approximately 50 manuscripts of the New Testament that pre-date the Roman takeover of the established church in the 4th century.

Fact #3) We have more than 32 THOUSAND New Testament quotations from the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. In fact, we could recreate virtually the entire New Testament just from the quotes of the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. We can be quite certain that the New Testament we have today has come down to us just as it was from the earliest days, and we can be quite certain what they considered to be scripture.












The Council of Nicaea met in 325 A.D, assembled at the command of the Roman Emperor Constantine, and met to address the heresies of a man whose name was Arius.

The Council of Nicaea did not actually make the original decision about which books were to be part of the Bible. What the councils did do was not so much decide, as agree with what had already been decided by the Apostles and was already in practice in the churches all over the world.

The Roman Catholic Church would have you believe that all local churches and congregations were in chaos having all sorts of books in their churches and considering them as scripture, being deceived until in 325 A.D. the Catholic Church finally gets it right comes in and restores order.

The Catholic Church was not even around, and Early Christianity was flourishing. It was flourishing so much that in dozens of places of the Roman Empire, Christians were building underground cities called catacombs...in order to survive the persecutions that Satan was inspiring and directing through the Roman Emperors.

Remember at the time of the Council of Nicaea that the Roman Catholic Church Hierarchy did Not yet exist. It did not have that little piece of real estate in the Vatican until after 325 A.D. It was after the Council of Nicaea that the Emperor set up the Catholic Church.

The Imperial Decree of the Roman Emperor Constantine summoned that council. And it was composed not of Catholic Church Bishops but of independent church Bishops.

Since the Catholic Church did not exist, then from where would those Bishops and Pastors at the Council of Nicaea have derived their moral and Biblical authority? There was no central authority. They derived their authority from their own independent local Bible believing congregations. And the churches were functioning quite well without the interference from Rome.

But the Roman Emperor Constantine who worshipped the Sun God knew that he was having trouble gaining legitimacy amongst Christians. He craved this and sought out Eusebius to see how to make this happen. Eusebius suggested a council of all of the independent Christian churches within the Roman Empire, and Constantine agreed.

1) the church council did not "decide" the Canon of the Bible, they rather AFFIRMED/CONFIRMED the Canon.

2) the books known as the Apocrypha were not accepted as part of Scripture.

3) the history of the Catholic Church is that the longer she continues, the greater her heresies become. She continues to accumulate untruth as time progresses. The more that the Catholic Church continues in time, the greater her reliance on apocryphal books. It Had to be that way, because the 66 books of the regular and true Bible in no way justified the doctrines that the Catholic Church was teaching.

4) for this reason, the Roman Catholic Church has tried to uphold the supposed Canonicity of the Apocrypha. They did not succeed in doing this until the Council of Trent, when they finally came out and said that the books of the Apocrypha would be treated as Holy Scripture itself. That was a departure from the historical books of the Bible, and a departure from history, and a departure from treating the Apocryphal books as Not being part of the Canon of Scripture. In other words, 1500 years after Jesus Died (and rose again), the Roman Catholic Church decided to change which books should be included in the Bible.

Taken from the book: Canon of the Old and New Testament
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Indeed, Constantine and Orign were the ones who launched the corrupted text steam that has gone out. Al Cuppet has the vine drawing somewhere out here in cyber~space that shows what you are talking about. The KJV or A.V. text of 1611 is the more sure word of GOD, and is the seventh level of perfection in the english language according to Psalm 12:6&7.
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no bibletard will answer..
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I guess two of us proved you wrong.
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no bibletard will answer..

I guess two of us proved you wrong.
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bump for Jesus!
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Constantine didn't invent the Bible doofus.
The Council of Nicea put together the canon.
The sun emperor didn't know what to believe. For him it was all politics. I suggest obtaining a copy of Edward Gibbons Fall and Decline of the Roman Empire. It was banned by the Catholic church for a reason.

I don't agree with the councils but I'm all for historical accuracy.
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biible is book of doom , didnt you read how jahweh god of abraham isaac and jacob and ishmael kill hundred egyptians babies , how jahweh became idiot like that , if i was a jahweh ill kill pharaoh not egyptians babies, wats wrong with those babies , how if those babies one of you ? , this world are full of insane they follow god of hatred , god of ibrahim isaac jacob and ishmael (moslem claimed)
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That Bible wasn't "invented" by Constantine you dumbass, it was compiled under order of Constantine.
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if there was no bible at that point, how could they be a bible believing congregation??
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biible is book of doom , didnt you read how jahweh god of abraham isaac and jacob and ishmael kill hundred egyptians babies , how jahweh became idiot like that , if i was a jahweh ill kill pharaoh not egyptians babies, wats wrong with those babies , how if those babies one of you ? , this world are full of insane they follow god of hatred , god of ibrahim isaac jacob and ishmael (moslem claimed)
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polluted bloodline is why. These people were tainted with nephilim blood. Their animals were hybrids as well. It was all a big convoluted mess.
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That Bible wasn't "invented" by Constantine you dumbass, it was compiled under order of Constantine.
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when you command someone to create something that doesn't exist, you create it
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biible is book of doom , didnt you read how jahweh god of abraham isaac and jacob and ishmael kill hundred egyptians babies , how jahweh became idiot like that , if i was a jahweh ill kill pharaoh not egyptians babies, wats wrong with those babies , how if those babies one of you ? , this world are full of insane they follow god of hatred , god of ibrahim isaac jacob and ishmael (moslem claimed)

polluted bloodline is why. These people were tainted with nephilim blood. Their animals were hybrids as well. It was all a big convoluted mess.
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What *slurp* are you *slurp* talking about?
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What a totally ignorant claim by someone who knows nothing of Church History other than what they can gather from You Tube or Wikipedia.

Long before Constatine there were texts being written and shared by believers world wide, and early Christianity put the pagan world in the grave and did so because they were the one's with all the power. The power to heal, even to raise the dead. Christians can follow the Bible as the Holy Word of God because there is evidence that God preserved His word regardless of who had their hand in compiling it into orthodox cannon. Our God was so much bigger than any Roman Ceasar.
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and Constantine (the sun god worshiper) also changed the holy day from the sabbath to sunday.
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You sir OP... Are not very bright. But don't worry!! There's a cure. You should read the bible. ;)
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The Bible is indeed the source for all Truth,,It is an instruction Book giving to us by the Creator..that we can't see physically, but he sent himself as the person of Jesus Christ about 2000 years to pay for the sins of his elect people redeem us back onto him.
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and Constantine (the sun god worshiper) also changed the holy day from the sabbath to sunday.
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You're absolutely correct, Roman Catholisim(SP?) is the mother of harlets. But just becuase they all mis-interprete the scriptures donesn't make them false, only that men are wrong. If they read the old testament they'd find out how to decipher the new, but most people just make up their own denomination, which is wrong. But don't judge the bible on them!
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That Bible wasn't "invented" by Constantine you dumbass, it was compiled under order of Constantine.

when you command someone to create something that doesn't exist, you create it
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Dumbass, the books of the Bible were already written before Constantine converted.
The Council of Nicea compiled the books that were already written into the Canon.
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What a totally ignorant claim by someone who knows nothing of Church History other than what they can gather from You Tube or Wikipedia.

Long before Constatine there were texts being written and shared by believers world wide,

Worldwide??? were they shared with the american indians? or with the chinese? or with the inhabitants of the indonesian archipelago? or the aborigines??
if not...why not??? why were these people not important to Yahwee god??



and early Christianity put the pagan world
in the grave and did so because they were the one's with all the power.

could it possibly be that one pagan religion was substituted with a worse one???

The power to heal, even to raise the dead
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there is not one shread of recorded documented proof that anyone has ever been resurrected.only acouple of bible fables exist, but without corroboration. It is impossible to resurrect a dead person.


Christians can follow the Bible as the Holy Word of God because there is evidence that God preserved His word regardless of who had their hand in compiling it into orthodox cannon.

Our God was so much bigger than any Roman Ceasar.
such as??? was god able to save even one christian from the lions?
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i believe in caesar than a god
even jesus payed taxed to caesar
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The dead sea scrolls were around long before Constantine, maybe by as much as 500 to 1,000 years more so. What's considered the New Testament was also written at least 100 years before Constantine.

I know what you take issue with and that's the canonization. That's a different discussion. Much different than saying the Bible was "invented by Emperor Constantine." But I do agree that Constantine did change Christianty and especially the day of worship. Christ never worshipped on the first day of the week, which is considered the day of the "sun" god. Christ worshipped on his holy Sabbath. Daniel prophesied that this would happen. That they would change God's holy time and law. Which they did. It's gets much deeper than this and only if people could take off their blinders maybe they could see it for what it really is.
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Shutttt. Don't said that they won't beleive you. It is god who write the bible... What about Iliad and the odysseus. It was about history of greek gods. Writed long before the bible. Is it the word of god or the word of satan. I would not beleive in a book writed by Constantine and the concil of Nicea. Should learn more history. Those where more sinner then anybody else. In that time popes and bishops had prostitutes male and femal to serve them plus they where killing eachother for power and christian beleive that it was writed by god. Holly shit they are better read history instead of the bible. Maybe they will change their mind.
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Shutttt. Don't said that they won't beleive you. It is god who write the bible...
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Um no MAN wrote the bible and re-wrote the bible to suit his own needs. God wrote NOTHING.
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Shutttt. Don't said that they won't beleive you. It is god who write the bible... What about Iliad and the odysseus. It was about history of greek gods. Writed long before the bible. Is it the word of god or the word of satan. I would not beleive in a book writed by Constantine and the concil of Nicea. Should learn more history. Those where more sinner then anybody else. In that time popes and bishops had prostitutes male and femal to serve them plus they where killing eachother for power and christian beleive that it was writed by god. Holly shit they are better read history instead of the bible. Maybe they will change their mind.
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I for one never understand the obsession with this book. As you say, they are far more interesting and coherent stories out there.
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What happen???? Christians are deniing the truth. Ah, Ah, no more argumentations.
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What a totally ignorant claim by someone who knows nothing of Church History other than what they can gather from You Tube or Wikipedia.

Long before Constatine there were texts being written and shared by believers world wide, and early Christianity put the pagan world in the grave and did so because they were the one's with all the power. The power to heal, even to raise the dead. Christians can follow the Bible as the Holy Word of God because there is evidence that God preserved His word regardless of who had their hand in compiling it into orthodox cannon. Our God was so much bigger than any Roman Ceasar.
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funny how xtians aren't raising people from the dead anymore.....hmmmm
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no bibletard will answer..

I guess two of us proved you wrong.
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No you didn't. Fact is man wrong the bible. All parts of it are stories collected and written down by man. Jesus didn't write. It matters not who collected it, except the dark side mostly did. Some of it is written by people, ie new testament, who were not even living at the time and who did not even walk with Jesus. Like all of man's stories there is a huge amount of hearsay in it, and it has been modified again and again and again, and now we have many versions of it and they do say different things from one to the next.

Even the King James was modified and there is no rapture teaching even in the modifications. Man has really screwed up God. The koran has a somewhat similar history of manipulation too.
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What a totally ignorant claim by someone who knows nothing of Church History other than what they can gather from You Tube or Wikipedia.

Long before Constatine there were texts being written and shared by believers world wide, and early Christianity put the pagan world in the grave and did so because they were the one's with all the power. The power to heal, even to raise the dead. Christians can follow the Bible as the Holy Word of God because there is evidence that God preserved His word regardless of who had their hand in compiling it into orthodox cannon. Our God was so much bigger than any Roman Ceasar.
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There were many different myths of man-gods and attendant stories. They all had similar formats and the Jesus Christ myth was manufactured from those by Constantine's assistants. Starting in the year 325 and after at least 18 months of debates starting with 50 different gods, more than 2000 books, and more than 300 presbyters in attendance, they reduced the number of gods down to 2. Hesus, a god popular in northern Europe and Christna, popular in the East. Constantine conjoined those gods into one and called it Hesus Christus, which formed the biblical character Jesus Christ.

Sorry Flyin' Lion, there is no divine origin for your god.
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"The result was that in order to appease each arguing faction, 66 books(note the satanic number 66) were chosen and lumped together as an anthology to be called The Bible. All other books which contradicted the ones chosen were rejected , including the gospels of Thomas and Peter, the apogripha and many others.

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Wrong - the Catholic bible had 73 books. Martin Luther chopped it down to 66. Maccabees book mentions purgatory concept. Luther tried to forge his faith alone Protestantism by deleting CATHOLIC bible books that mentioned faith without works is dead. Probably the biggest Protestant scam ever. If Protestants and Catholics would quit being so hard headed and hard hearted, that would be big help in sorting everything out.





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