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THE CROSS IS A SYMBOL OF DEATH

 
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For your consideration:

Mark 8:34 "And JESUS called [to Him] the throng with His disciples and said to them, If anyone intends to come after Me, let him deny himself [forget, ignore, disown, and lose sight of himself and his own interests] and take up his cross, and [joining Me as a disciple and siding with Me [continually, cleaving steadfastly to Me]."

When JESUS spoke these words HE HAD NOT BEEN CRUCIFIED. So why did JESUS say the words "take up his cross", and what do they mean?

In the Strong's Concordance the definition for cross is #4716 i.e. self-denial by imply - the atonement of Christ, fig. exposure to death; a stake or post or cross.

To the Jewish people the meaning of the cross was understood. Deuteronomy 21:22 and 23 speaks of the cross as a symbol of death and to commit a sin worthy of death a man would be hung on a tree. It also told them (and us) that the man who is hung on a tree is accursed by God. So they knew that this type of self-denial would be great. Death to the flesh, self, and following JESUS.

According to "The Cross in Tradition, History and Act" by William Wood Seymour, the cross was originally designed as occult symbols to be worshipped in Babylon and Egypt [many years before Jesus].

We must understand that the cross is a symbol of death, grief, sorrow and agony, and like other objects that we should not have in our home, we don't need to have a cross either, even around our necks. If you have seen any pictures of rock music singers, they almost all have crosses around their necks, in their ears, or other parts of their body. Almost every religion uses a cross, including voodoo (they also use rosary beads). Buddha temples have crosses on the building. So if someone sees a cross in your home, hanging around your neck or your car mirror, what god will they think you are serving?

Our witness is our lifestyle and people will know by the Holy Spirit abiding within us that we are Christ's. Remember that the Lord said that if we bring a cursed object into our home we take the curse on us also. Deuteronomy 7:26 "Neither shall you bring an abomination (an idol) into your house, lest you become an accursed thing like it; but you shall utterly detest and abhor it, for it is an accursed thing."
Total Protonic Reversal...
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Watch to the end.......
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Repent or burn in hell i say........
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For your consideration:

Mark 8:34 "And JESUS called [to Him] the throng with His disciples and said to them, If anyone intends to come after Me, let him deny himself [forget, ignore, disown, and lose sight of himself and his own interests] and take up his cross, and [joining Me as a disciple and siding with Me [continually, cleaving steadfastly to Me]."

When JESUS spoke these words HE HAD NOT BEEN CRUCIFIED. So why did JESUS say the words "take up his cross", and what do they mean?

In the Strong's Concordance the definition for cross is #4716 i.e. self-denial by imply - the atonement of Christ, fig. exposure to death; a stake or post or cross.

To the Jewish people the meaning of the cross was understood. Deuteronomy 21:22 and 23 speaks of the cross as a symbol of death and to commit a sin worthy of death a man would be hung on a tree. It also told them (and us) that the man who is hung on a tree is accursed by God. So they knew that this type of self-denial would be great. Death to the flesh, self, and following JESUS.

According to "The Cross in Tradition, History and Act" by William Wood Seymour, the cross was originally designed as occult symbols to be worshipped in Babylon and Egypt [many years before Jesus].

We must understand that the cross is a symbol of death, grief, sorrow and agony, and like other objects that we should not have in our home, we don't need to have a cross either, even around our necks. If you have seen any pictures of rock music singers, they almost all have crosses around their necks, in their ears, or other parts of their body. Almost every religion uses a cross, including voodoo (they also use rosary beads). Buddha temples have crosses on the building. So if someone sees a cross in your home, hanging around your neck or your car mirror, what god will they think you are serving?

Our witness is our lifestyle and people will know by the Holy Spirit abiding within us that we are Christ's. Remember that the Lord said that if we bring a cursed object into our home we take the curse on us also. Deuteronomy 7:26 "Neither shall you bring an abomination (an idol) into your house, lest you become an accursed thing like it; but you shall utterly detest and abhor it, for it is an accursed thing."
 Quoting: GUANO

Church of Christ?
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Matt 24:30: “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Sorry OP.
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My father was murdered execution style and burned...I would never wear a pistol around me neck to remember him...that always puzzled me about cross bearing Christians....
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For your consideration:

Mark 8:34 "And JESUS called [to Him] the throng with His disciples and said to them, If anyone intends to come after Me, let him deny himself [forget, ignore, disown, and lose sight of himself and his own interests] and take up his cross, and [joining Me as a disciple and siding with Me [continually, cleaving steadfastly to Me]."

When JESUS spoke these words HE HAD NOT BEEN CRUCIFIED. So why did JESUS say the words "take up his cross", and what do they mean?

In the Strong's Concordance the definition for cross is #4716 i.e. self-denial by imply - the atonement of Christ, fig. exposure to death; a stake or post or cross.

To the Jewish people the meaning of the cross was understood. Deuteronomy 21:22 and 23 speaks of the cross as a symbol of death and to commit a sin worthy of death a man would be hung on a tree. It also told them (and us) that the man who is hung on a tree is accursed by God. So they knew that this type of self-denial would be great. Death to the flesh, self, and following JESUS.

According to "The Cross in Tradition, History and Act" by William Wood Seymour, the cross was originally designed as occult symbols to be worshipped in Babylon and Egypt [many years before Jesus].

We must understand that the cross is a symbol of death, grief, sorrow and agony, and like other objects that we should not have in our home, we don't need to have a cross either, even around our necks. If you have seen any pictures of rock music singers, they almost all have crosses around their necks, in their ears, or other parts of their body. Almost every religion uses a cross, including voodoo (they also use rosary beads). Buddha temples have crosses on the building. So if someone sees a cross in your home, hanging around your neck or your car mirror, what god will they think you are serving?

Our witness is our lifestyle and people will know by the Holy Spirit abiding within us that we are Christ's. Remember that the Lord said that if we bring a cursed object into our home we take the curse on us also. Deuteronomy 7:26 "Neither shall you bring an abomination (an idol) into your house, lest you become an accursed thing like it; but you shall utterly detest and abhor it, for it is an accursed thing."

Church of Christ?
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JW maybe?!
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OP is a moran
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My father was murdered execution style and burned...I would never wear a pistol around me neck to remember him...that always puzzled me about cross bearing Christians....
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... Exactly.



And no, I'm part of no cult. I'm non-denominational.
Total Protonic Reversal...
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1 Corinthians 2:1,2
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom,
declaring unto you the testimony of God.
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

The shame of the cross is our salvation.

"Cherish the old rugged cross"

It's why He came into this world,
to die in our place.
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The Cross is the Heavenly cube of New Jerusalem unfolded.
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The Cross is also the Ankh and the Tau
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Oddly enough, there is never the mention of a 'cross' in the original Greek. The word used is 'Stauros' which just means a stake or pole.

The mystery religions love the letter 'T', tau. I often wonder if they didn't substitute the meaning to add their little twist to things to try to subvert the Scriptures--as men are wont to do.
Kletos, Eklektos & Pistos
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Oddly enough, there is never the mention of a 'cross' in the original Greek. The word used is 'Stauros' which just means a stake or pole.

The mystery religions love the letter 'T', tau. I often wonder if they didn't substitute the meaning to add their little twist to things to try to subvert the Scriptures--as men are wont to do.
 Quoting: czygyny



Because the tau or T square alignments help develop and initiate the Prophecied one.

As Above, So Below.

The Bible is written in Symbology, so one may achieve Gnosis on their level. There is no twisting. Its just at the level you can see the Allegories.
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September 14 to September 21 are sacred feast days
for the Exaltation of the Holy Cross.

Interesting this anti-cross topic would show up now...
interesting and satanic.



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already knew that :D ... but still :bump:
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Do some research, please!
Romans practiced both means of crucifixion, but
archeological finds within decades of Christ's
crucifixion depict crosses, not torture stakes as
cults such as the Jehovah's Witnesses depict.
(For Pete sake these cults aren't even Christian)

The archeological finds support a cross 100%, as far
as Christ's crucifixion goes, and absolutely zero
evidence for a vertical torture stake.

The cross became a symbol of what our sins cost
Almighty God.

Divine Justice required a divine payment, and that was
His Son taking our punishment.

1. On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,
the emblem of suffering and shame;
and I love that old cross where the dearest and best
for a world of lost sinners was slain.
Refrain:
So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,
till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
and exchange it some day for a crown.

2. O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,
has a wondrous attraction for me;
for the dear Lamb of God left his glory above
to bear it to dark Calvary.
(Refrain)

3. In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,
a wondrous beauty I see,
for 'twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,
to pardon and sanctify me.
(Refrain)

4. To that old rugged cross I will ever be true,
its shame and reproach gladly bear;
then he'll call me some day to my home far away,
where his glory forever I'll share.
(Refrain)
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September 14 to September 21 are sacred feast days
for the Exaltation of the Holy Cross.

Interesting this anti-cross topic would show up now...
interesting and satanic.



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 Quoting: AlasBabylon


Yes, its the Consummatum of Winter Solstice Cross of December 23, 2007

The Summer formed the Grand Square cube of New Jerusalem,

Now we have Fall Equinox on the 23 of September, Full Moon, Yesod, Sukkot, Festival of Booths. Considered to be one of four birthdays of Messiah
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The Cross symbolizes a specific location in spacetime where the material transforms into the energetic and vice versa.

When Jesus went to his place of crossing he was murdered by liars, thus proving the system to be false; causing its destruction. All in all it wasn't him that died that day but everyone else.

So...while things do die at the cross, but death, especially of lies and the liars that constantly tell them, is not always a bad thing.

The cross itself is a map...the intersection of four roads or rivers.

Just for the record their is an intersection of five roads as well; that place is one of super, cartoonish like, violence.
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Oddly enough, there is never the mention of a 'cross' in the original Greek. The word used is 'Stauros' which just means a stake or pole.

The mystery religions love the letter 'T', tau. I often wonder if they didn't substitute the meaning to add their little twist to things to try to subvert the Scriptures--as men are wont to do.
 Quoting: czygyny



Good point.
Total Protonic Reversal...
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Oddly enough, there is never the mention of a 'cross' in the original Greek. The word used is 'Stauros' which just means a stake or pole.

The mystery religions love the letter 'T', tau. I often wonder if they didn't substitute the meaning to add their little twist to things to try to subvert the Scriptures--as men are wont to do.



Because the tau or T square alignments help develop and initiate the Prophecied one.

As Above, So Below.

The Bible is written in Symbology, so one may achieve Gnosis on their level. There is no twisting. Its just at the level you can see the Allegories.
 Quoting: PRODIGAL SON



Leave the occult, it will leave you cursed and damned, you and your family for at least 5 generations.

It's no joke. This is no threat. This is the fact of the matter. You are in league with accursed spirits. If you want out I can help you.
Total Protonic Reversal...
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If Jesus died for our sins in 1990 instead, Bush would have had that hippy executed. Then we'd all carry signs of a chair on necklaces. Cuz they would have fried Jesus..

Although Jesus seems more Cali..

So I suppose he'd get the gas chamber..

I don't know how we could venerate that symbol!
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and gay , because they still dont sell things for on your body that actually work.

so its there fantasie man
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A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.


The day of the cross is a day taken out of time, it is "FOR EVER"

Isaiah 46:10 "declaring the end from the Beginning
and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, -is "It is Finished." on the cross.

"Beneath the cross of Jesus I fain would take my stand,
The shadow of a mighty rock within a weary land,
A home within the wilderness, a rest upon the way."


(REVELATION 3:14)
And unto the angel of the church
of the Laodiceans write;
these things saith the Amen,
the faithful and true witness,
the beginning of the creation of God


Behold, I stand at the door, and knock:
if any man hear my voice,
and open the door,
I will come in to him,
and will sup with him, and he with me.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


You see, there at that moment when Jesus said: "It is finished," Mercy and Truth met together, Righteousness and Peace kissed each other... and hell went into panic.
How do I know? Because the earth was shattered. The whole earth rocked on it's axis. The earth trembled under the impact of the sin that He bore for us.
Heaven trembled... there never was a photo of the cross; it's representations are all imagination.
That event was so sacred that, as it were, God took His coat off and hung it over the sun.
And there was darkness for three hours. He would not let anybody see His Son become corruption.
Jesus Christ, in the mystery of God's divine grace,
was, God "contracted to a span, incomprehensibly made man,"
in the incarnation.

The heaven of heavens cannot contain Him.
Yet He clothed Himself in flesh and blood and crept into a woman's womb. How God became man I do not know, but less, less, less do I know HOW DID HE BECOME SIN?

God has opened His treasure house to us.

Oh, let Thy love my heart constrain,
Thy Love for every sinner free,
That every fallen soul of man
May taste the grace that found out me,
That all mankind with me may prove,
Thy sovereign, everlasting love.

For God has allowed us to know the secret of His plan.
He purposes in His sovereign will that all human history shall be consummated
in Christ
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i like that red helmet guy looking at the scary troll man

talking about fantasie
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Ya, I wear an electric chair and a hypo around my neck.
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Oddly enough, there is never the mention of a 'cross' in the original Greek. The word used is 'Stauros' which just means a stake or pole.

The mystery religions love the letter 'T', tau. I often wonder if they didn't substitute the meaning to add their little twist to things to try to subvert the Scriptures--as men are wont to do.
 Quoting: czygyny


czygyny ... did u get to know that Jubilee year yet ? thumbs
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