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And yes, women are still opressed in many areas of life...
We are still not paid the same wages for performing the same job a man is.
I know all the bullshit in the Media about how it isn't that way anymore...but it's a lie.
I've spent the last 25+ years out there working in the same areas as men...and NEVER have I been paid the same as a man is.
I've had to work twice as hard, and do twice as good a job as them men have..only to be paid less.
I've even been told that the reason I'm treated differantly is 'Because you are a woman'...
So, no I'm not warped...I'm living in reality.
It's you that's under some sort of Delusion of hate.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Ok I'm going to say something you're probably not going to want to hear, and I really hope you don't take it personally.

Men make less money doing clerical jobs (and 9 times out of 10 won't even be considered for them.)
Women make less money in management/data processing and security.

Companies will also get tax breaks and incentives for hiring women, because you are legally a protected class (in the US anyway.)

I'm just picking two figures I'm specifically familiar with working where I do. Like it or not, women excel at clerical positions. They are able to multitask more effectively, and like planning and having a "domain" more than men in my 15 years experience (and this matches other HR roles and statistics.)

Men, however, are exceedingly better communicators (not talking to each other, but convey straight facts that are vital in most business atmosphere.) Men have less break downs, men take less time off. Men handle stress better, too.

When you are battling statistics, yes. You will have to prove yourself, and I know for a fact that not ALL women are this way. Women just happen to be much better than men in areas that don't pay as well.

Last Edited by Jake101 on 02/11/2011 05:27 AM
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Re: Male egos, and strong, independant women...
I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Men are traditionally providers for the family hence they feel out of place with you being who you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918178

That was applicable 60 years ago...but that has not been what I've seen or experienced growing up as a child, or living as an adult.
The World just isn't like that anymore.
Women are held to the same responsibility of providing for the family too...we are EXPECTED to go out and work, and most of the time, it's the only way a 'family' can make it these days...both men and women working, bringing in money for the family.
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Re: Male egos, and strong, independant women...
I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.
 Quoting: Woodsprite




I'm sure this has already been addressed, but here I go again.

Females VERY often judge a man on his wallet. As such, nearly every relationship I've seen where the woman makes more money, the man is either her slave, or she ends up cheating on him. Actually, let me rephrase that. EVERY time I've seen that, that happens.

Since men are more likely to judge on looks than women, and women are more likely to judge on wallets than men, then you add in societal norms --- you have a situation where men don't like women making more money, and women get paranoid when their men are very attractive.

This isn't always the case, just the way I've observed it happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1013199


I'm sorry but I do not see that at all. I've known many women who made more money than their husbands and never were on a power trip about it, and women do not cheat unless they feel emotionally neglected, not because they make more money. You guys have some weird observations and ideas. You and Brazilian mysogynist sound very insecure. For most men, these things are not even issues.
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Thanks for your post....
The sound of reason
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Any retard who agree with your feminazi bullshit is the sound of reason in your warped mind. You should stop thinking with your womb.
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Re: Male egos, and strong, independant women...
I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Men are traditionally providers for the family hence they feel out of place with you being who you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918178

That was applicable 60 years ago...but that has not been what I've seen or experienced growing up as a child, or living as an adult.
The World just isn't like that anymore.
Women are held to the same responsibility of providing for the family too...we are EXPECTED to go out and work, and most of the time, it's the only way a 'family' can make it these days...both men and women working, bringing in money for the family.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


And according to the department of labor, in two parent working households, women make less than the male over 90 percent of the time. Typically a woman works a light office or light labor part time job.
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I'm sure this has already been addressed, but here I go again.

Females VERY often judge a man on his wallet. As such, nearly every relationship I've seen where the woman makes more money, the man is either her slave, or she ends up cheating on him. Actually, let me rephrase that. EVERY time I've seen that, that happens.

Since men are more likely to judge on looks than women, and women are more likely to judge on wallets than men, then you add in societal norms --- you have a situation where men don't like women making more money, and women get paranoid when their men are very attractive.

This isn't always the case, just the way I've observed it happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1013199


I'm sorry but I do not see that at all. I've known many women who made more money than their husbands and never were on a power trip about it, and women do not cheat unless they feel emotionally neglected, not because they make more money. You guys have some weird observations and ideas. You and Brazilian mysogynist sound very insecure. For most men, these things are not even issues.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 875198

Thanks for your post....
The sound of reason
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Any retard who agree with your feminazi bullshit is the sound of reason in your warped mind. You should stop thinking with your womb.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1261893


I'm not going to jump to that conclusion. However I will say it's telling she'd agree with that post, as it's very obviously biased and flawed.
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Re: Male egos, and strong, independant women...
I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.
 Quoting: Woodsprite




I'm sure this has already been addressed, but here I go again.

Females VERY often judge a man on his wallet. As such, nearly every relationship I've seen where the woman makes more money, the man is either her slave, or she ends up cheating on him. Actually, let me rephrase that. EVERY time I've seen that, that happens.

Since men are more likely to judge on looks than women, and women are more likely to judge on wallets than men, then you add in societal norms --- you have a situation where men don't like women making more money, and women get paranoid when their men are very attractive.

This isn't always the case, just the way I've observed it happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1013199

Yeah, the kind of women you spoke of...to me they are 'gold diggers'...they give ALL WOMEN a bad wrap...:(
We aren't ALL like that...
Some of us actually don't give a damn how much money you make, because we have our own money...we don't NEED YOUR STUFF...we have our own.

I can honestly say...I've never cheated on anyone I've been in a committed relationship with... no matter how much money they had or didn't.
And, I've never had a man be 'a slave' to me.
It's usually the other way around..they try and 'enslave me' because they are so insecure.
To me, the relationships you described...sound like both people are just too insecure..

What a messed up World we're living in these days.....:(
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Yeah right there are just a dozen of gold diggers who give poor little womyn a bad name. Cut your crap, virtually all of you are leechs. And women are the most insecure creatures, you want extra confident men to compensante your own cowardice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1261893


Stfu moron. If virtually all women are leeches than most men don't mind since most men want to be married or in a relationship with a woman. Of course, most women are not leeches and do as much work or more than men, whether in or out of the home. I know a lot of guys who don't even want their wives to work. If a man is cool with that then it's none of your business. You're just a douchebag spouting nonsense and death wishes upon people, you do not speak the truth about anything!!!
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Re: Male egos, and strong, independant women...
I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Men are traditionally providers for the family hence they feel out of place with you being who you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918178

That was applicable 60 years ago...but that has not been what I've seen or experienced growing up as a child, or living as an adult.
The World just isn't like that anymore.
Women are held to the same responsibility of providing for the family too...we are EXPECTED to go out and work, and most of the time, it's the only way a 'family' can make it these days...both men and women working, bringing in money for the family.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


And according to the department of labor, in two parent working households, women make less than the male over 90 percent of the time. Typically a woman works a light office or light labor part time job.
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Whatever. Women make less not because they have breezy part-time positions but because they make about 70 cents for every dollar a man makes and it's been that way for a long time and needs to change.
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Men are traditionally providers for the family hence they feel out of place with you being who you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918178

That was applicable 60 years ago...but that has not been what I've seen or experienced growing up as a child, or living as an adult.
The World just isn't like that anymore.
Women are held to the same responsibility of providing for the family too...we are EXPECTED to go out and work, and most of the time, it's the only way a 'family' can make it these days...both men and women working, bringing in money for the family.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


And according to the department of labor, in two parent working households, women make less than the male over 90 percent of the time. Typically a woman works a light office or light labor part time job.
 Quoting: Jake101


Whatever. Women make less not because they have breezy part-time positions but because they make about 70 cents for every dollar a man makes and it's been that way for a long time and needs to change.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 875198


Then you need to give up maternity leave, start taking off less time than men, give up female FMLA benefits, take yourself off the protect class HR clauses, give up "Sexual Harassment" assumption clauses, and take less bathroom breaks.

Oh, and you need to start being WAY more efficient and productive. And not just you. Every woman.

Statistics suck. Sorry about your luck?

Basically, you'll be treated equally when you start producing at the same level as men do in general, and do not have the liability associated with hiring you.

Last Edited by Jake101 on 02/11/2011 05:37 AM
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And yes, women are still opressed in many areas of life...
We are still not paid the same wages for performing the same job a man is.
I know all the bullshit in the Media about how it isn't that way anymore...but it's a lie.
I've spent the last 25+ years out there working in the same areas as men...and NEVER have I been paid the same as a man is.
I've had to work twice as hard, and do twice as good a job as them men have..only to be paid less.
I've even been told that the reason I'm treated differantly is 'Because you are a woman'...
So, no I'm not warped...I'm living in reality.
It's you that's under some sort of Delusion of hate.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Ok I'm going to say something you're probably not going to want to hear, and I really hope you don't take it personally.

Men make less money doing clerical jobs (and 9 times out of 10 won't even be considered for them.)
Women make less money in management/data processing and security.

Companies will also get tax breaks and incentives for hiring women, because you are legally a protected class (in the US anyway.)

I'm just picking two figures I'm specifically familiar with working where I do. Like it or not, women excel at clerical positions. They are able to multitask more effectively, and like planning and having a "domain" more than men in my 15 years experience (and this matches other HR roles and statistics.)

Men, however, are exceedingly better communicators (not talking to each other, but convey straight facts that are vital in most business atmosphere.) Men have less break downs, men take less time off.

When you are battling statistics, yes. You will have to prove yourself, and I know for a fact that not ALL women are this way. Women just happen to be much better than men in areas that don't pay as well.
 Quoting: Jake101

I appreciate your reponse, and no, I don't take it personally.. :)

I'm not specifically speaking about the 'suit and tie' World of business.
I'm talking about Trades...
I worked in the sign indusrty for 12 years, and it was very negative towards women .
I could not find a male owned shop that would train me, 'because I was a woman, and attractive'. I was literally told...'you would be too big of a distraction' in the shop.
After I hooked up with a woman sign person, and we formed our own shop...the prejudice was still there.
The male owned shops got paid twice what we did for the very same work...because they were men.
They bad mouthed us around town...because they didn't want us 'stealing their work'...
They got pissed off because we chose to work from home, so we could take care of our kids...instead of having to pay a high overhead, and worker's comp....
I've had men say things to me that I know they would never say to man in the same position...just because I'm a woman, and they know they aren't going to get their teeth knocked out for saying it..
Affimative Action has never helped me 1 bit, in my working life...
It's always been a joke.

I do agree though...some jobs women are better at, than men, and vice versa...
I'm sure a 250# man is going to be physically stronger than a 120# woman...be able to do more heavy lifitng and stuff..
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I'm sure this has already been addressed, but here I go again.

Females VERY often judge a man on his wallet. As such, nearly every relationship I've seen where the woman makes more money, the man is either her slave, or she ends up cheating on him. Actually, let me rephrase that. EVERY time I've seen that, that happens.

Since men are more likely to judge on looks than women, and women are more likely to judge on wallets than men, then you add in societal norms --- you have a situation where men don't like women making more money, and women get paranoid when their men are very attractive.

This isn't always the case, just the way I've observed it happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1013199

Yeah, the kind of women you spoke of...to me they are 'gold diggers'...they give ALL WOMEN a bad wrap...:(
We aren't ALL like that...
Some of us actually don't give a damn how much money you make, because we have our own money...we don't NEED YOUR STUFF...we have our own.

I can honestly say...I've never cheated on anyone I've been in a committed relationship with... no matter how much money they had or didn't.
And, I've never had a man be 'a slave' to me.
It's usually the other way around..they try and 'enslave me' because they are so insecure.
To me, the relationships you described...sound like both people are just too insecure..

What a messed up World we're living in these days.....:(
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Yeah right there are just a dozen of gold diggers who give poor little womyn a bad name. Cut your crap, virtually all of you are leechs. And women are the most insecure creatures, you want extra confident men to compensante your own cowardice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1261893


Stfu moron. If virtually all women are leeches than most men don't mind since most men want to be married or in a relationship with a woman. Of course, most women are not leeches and do as much work or more than men, whether in or out of the home. I know a lot of guys who don't even want their wives to work. If a man is cool with that then it's none of your business. You're just a douchebag spouting nonsense and death wishes upon people, you do not speak the truth about anything!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 875198


Make me STFU if you can moron. Most women are leechs and this a fact not an argument. Women want men to provide and protect them, so yes, they are leechs. And any guy who want to take care of such pieces of crap is bad as them. They deserve each other, may they stay together in hell.
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I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.
 Quoting: Woodsprite



You seem to have a giant ego, and YOU seem to base all of your thoughts on money.

I'm a musician, and with what I do, sometimes I make huge money, and sometimes I don't make much at all. I've never had any of the issues with women that you describe when times are at their slowest.... It's just not an issue. Sounds like you look for a certain "type", and when you find them, they don't like you.... or you don't like them.

There are men who make more money than you. Why don't you go after them? That way you could do away with your dealings with such subhuman wretches.
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And yes, women are still opressed in many areas of life...
We are still not paid the same wages for performing the same job a man is.
I know all the bullshit in the Media about how it isn't that way anymore...but it's a lie.
I've spent the last 25+ years out there working in the same areas as men...and NEVER have I been paid the same as a man is.
I've had to work twice as hard, and do twice as good a job as them men have..only to be paid less.
I've even been told that the reason I'm treated differantly is 'Because you are a woman'...
So, no I'm not warped...I'm living in reality.
It's you that's under some sort of Delusion of hate.
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Ok I'm going to say something you're probably not going to want to hear, and I really hope you don't take it personally.

Men make less money doing clerical jobs (and 9 times out of 10 won't even be considered for them.)
Women make less money in management/data processing and security.

Companies will also get tax breaks and incentives for hiring women, because you are legally a protected class (in the US anyway.)

I'm just picking two figures I'm specifically familiar with working where I do. Like it or not, women excel at clerical positions. They are able to multitask more effectively, and like planning and having a "domain" more than men in my 15 years experience (and this matches other HR roles and statistics.)

Men, however, are exceedingly better communicators (not talking to each other, but convey straight facts that are vital in most business atmosphere.) Men have less break downs, men take less time off.

When you are battling statistics, yes. You will have to prove yourself, and I know for a fact that not ALL women are this way. Women just happen to be much better than men in areas that don't pay as well.
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I appreciate your reponse, and no, I don't take it personally.. :)

I'm not specifically speaking about the 'suit and tie' World of business.
I'm talking about Trades...
I worked in the sign indusrty for 12 years, and it was very negative towards women .
I could not find a male owned shop that would train me, 'because I was a woman, and attractive'. I was literally told...'you would be too big of a distraction' in the shop.
After I hooked up with a woman sign person, and we formed our own shop...the prejudice was still there.
The male owned shops got paid twice what we did for the very same work...because they were men.
They bad mouthed us around town...because they didn't want us 'stealing their work'...
They got pissed off because we chose to work from home, so we could take care of our kids...instead of having to pay a high overhead, and worker's comp....
I've had men say things to me that I know they would never say to man in the same position...just because I'm a woman, and they know they aren't going to get their teeth knocked out for saying it..
Affimative Action has never helped me 1 bit, in my working life...
It's always been a joke.

I do agree though...some jobs women are better at, than men, and vice versa...
I'm sure a 250# man is going to be physically stronger than a 120# woman...be able to do more heavy lifitng and stuff..
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Unfortunately I only have statistics involved in an office environment since it's what I do for a living. I'm quite sure in "male dominated" labor fields, females have a lot more climbing to achieve equal treatment.

(and again, I'm going off of experience and statistics. It's nothing personal, as I've known several extremely efficient women :P)

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Men are traditionally providers for the family hence they feel out of place with you being who you are.
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That was applicable 60 years ago...but that has not been what I've seen or experienced growing up as a child, or living as an adult.
The World just isn't like that anymore.
Women are held to the same responsibility of providing for the family too...we are EXPECTED to go out and work, and most of the time, it's the only way a 'family' can make it these days...both men and women working, bringing in money for the family.
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And according to the department of labor, in two parent working households, women make less than the male over 90 percent of the time. Typically a woman works a light office or light labor part time job.
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Whatever. Women make less not because they have breezy part-time positions but because they make about 70 cents for every dollar a man makes and it's been that way for a long time and needs to change.
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Where are you pulling these facts, moron? From your ass? Women make less because they work less, retard. And they retire earlier too, but you are too dumb to understand this and will insist in your retarded argument that poor little womyn are opwessed by big bad men.
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I'm sorry but I do not see that at all. I've known many women who made more money than their husbands and never were on a power trip about it, and women do not cheat unless they feel emotionally neglected, not because they make more money. You guys have some weird observations and ideas. You and Brazilian mysogynist sound very insecure. For most men, these things are not even issues.
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Thanks for your post....
The sound of reason
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Any retard who agree with your feminazi bullshit is the sound of reason in your warped mind. You should stop thinking with your womb.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1261893


I'm not going to jump to that conclusion. However I will say it's telling she'd agree with that post, as it's very obviously biased and flawed.
 Quoting: Jake101

I agree with what it says about not all women who make more than the man, cheat...
I agree that 90% of the time, cheating has nothing to do with money, and more about emotional unhapiness.
I agree that the Brazillian poster is a mysogynist....
They obviously have a very negative opinion of women..in general, and like to put them down, treat them less than they would a man.
They have spouted so much negativity, there can't be any doubt about it..
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That was applicable 60 years ago...but that has not been what I've seen or experienced growing up as a child, or living as an adult.
The World just isn't like that anymore.
Women are held to the same responsibility of providing for the family too...we are EXPECTED to go out and work, and most of the time, it's the only way a 'family' can make it these days...both men and women working, bringing in money for the family.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


And according to the department of labor, in two parent working households, women make less than the male over 90 percent of the time. Typically a woman works a light office or light labor part time job.
 Quoting: Jake101


Whatever. Women make less not because they have breezy part-time positions but because they make about 70 cents for every dollar a man makes and it's been that way for a long time and needs to change.
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Where are you pulling these facts, moron? From your ass? Women make less because they work less, retard. And they retire earlier too, but you are too dumb to understand this and will insist in your retarded argument that poor little womyn are opwessed by big bad men.
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Well the retirement age is definitely an issue. When companies hire women, they also factor in they will get less back for their return on average in tenure.
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you can not have it both ways. you specify how independant/tough etc you are, then wonder why things do not work out. you need to accept you will be alone or that you do need a man, its one way or the other. the fact you post here tells me deep down you are lonely.

a decent and sane guy wants a teammate or partner in a relationship, not some independant preacher, in reality you offer nothing.

the woman i almost married is a surgeon and attractive.

the woman i did marry is the best wife and mother i could have ever asked for, for millions reasons that dont preach about her status/power etc.

bottom line is people want to be happy, so if you are so special and talented then answer me this....why the hell are you still alone?

it is the simple things that make a ideal mate.
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Thanks for your post....
The sound of reason
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Any retard who agree with your feminazi bullshit is the sound of reason in your warped mind. You should stop thinking with your womb.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1261893


I'm not going to jump to that conclusion. However I will say it's telling she'd agree with that post, as it's very obviously biased and flawed.
 Quoting: Jake101

I agree with what it says about not all women who make more than the man, cheat...
I agree that 90% of the time, cheating has nothing to do with money, and more about emotional unhapiness.
I agree that the Brazillian poster is a mysogynist....
They obviously have a very negative opinion of women..in general, and like to put them down, treat them less than they would a man.
They have spouted so much negativity, there can't be any doubt about it..
 Quoting: Woodsprite


I agree that you are a feminazi bitch.
I agree that women cheat because they are whores by nature.
I agree that you have a victim complex.
I agree that you pull your warped facts from your vagina.
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you can not have it both ways. you specify how independant/tough etc you are, then wonder why things do not work out. you need to accept you will be alone or that you do need a man, its one way or the other. the fact you post here tells me deep down you are lonely.
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Because of societal gender norms, she's going to have to look much harder to find a man who wants equal footing. A lot of "tough females" end up with effeminate or subservient males which doesn't seem to be what she's looking for.
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I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Men are traditionally providers for the family hence they feel out of place with you being who you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918178

That was applicable 60 years ago...but that has not been what I've seen or experienced growing up as a child, or living as an adult.
The World just isn't like that anymore.
Women are held to the same responsibility of providing for the family too...we are EXPECTED to go out and work, and most of the time, it's the only way a 'family' can make it these days...both men and women working, bringing in money for the family.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


This has been applicable since the dawn of time and it will not go away in 60 years, 60 years is nothing. Even salaries could work, but according to you make much more money than your men, hence why they feel insecure. You trying to stroke their ego potentially makes them feel even less secure, men can totally feel who's the boss (ie who makes more money) and see all that ego stroking as an attempt to pacify a helpless child, which is how they feel. It's really quite simple.
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I was literally told...'you would be too big of a distraction' in the shop.

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And most women would have it no other way. Instead of coming in sans makeup, hair pulled back in a work hat, with coveralls on, the typical bitch wants to come in looking like a tramp, making sure all eyes are on her.

There are few women who can dress and work like men..... I've worked around a number of them, and have never had any issues. It's women like you with huge egos, who go on about how "attractive" they are that men in labor situations don't want to deal with.

If I'm painting a sign with you, the last thing I give a fuck about is how pretty you think you are. In fact, you thinking that you're so fucking hot has nothing to do with the work, and will just be a distraction.

I'll never get bitches like you, and am glad that I rarely have to work with women in my field. And when I do, I let them know that no matter how whorish they like to dress, that shit doesn't work on me. I've been very blunt with women as to the parameters of our working relationship, and have embarrassed some "extremely hot" bitches by just letting them know straight up the we're not here to flirt, and their bimbo inclination is a distraction to what needs to be accomplished.

Admittedly though, many "men" turn into school boys around titillating cock teases like the typical contemporary American woman in the work place.
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I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.
 Quoting: Woodsprite



You seem to have a giant ego, and YOU seem to base all of your thoughts on money.

I'm a musician, and with what I do, sometimes I make huge money, and sometimes I don't make much at all. I've never had any of the issues with women that you describe when times are at their slowest.... It's just not an issue. Sounds like you look for a certain "type", and when you find them, they don't like you.... or you don't like them.

There are men who make more money than you. Why don't you go after them? That way you could do away with your dealings with such subhuman wretches.
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If I had a giant ego...I'd be famous by now...:P

The only reason my thoughts go to money, is because it is thrown in my face.
I don't have a problem dating men with or without money...
It's not the wallet that attracts me to them...it's who they are as people.
It just seems that at some point, either the money, or my Creative nature/ability causes problems somewhere down the line.
Could you be with someone that was bothered by you being a musicain, and tried to keep you from playing music?
All I ask of them, is let me be who I am, let me create, and be there to share my joy when and if I succeed. Is that so much to ask of a partner?

I really don't try to pick men that feel inferior to me, or have low self esteem..
I'd rather not have to keep failing, really.
But, I also won't be controlled by a man either...
All the wealthy men I've ever dated, at some point, have tried to use their money to control me...and I just won't do it.
I don't care about their money enough to buckle down to thier wishes to get it.
If I could ever meet a wealthy man that didn't do that...and we got along , had common interests, I'd snatch him up in an instant.
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I was literally told...'you would be too big of a distraction' in the shop.

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And most women would have it no other way. Instead of coming in sans makeup, hair pulled back in a work hat, with coveralls on, the typical bitch wants to come in looking like a tramp, making sure all eyes are on her.

There are few women who can dress and work like men..... I've worked around a number of them, and have never had any issues. It's women like you with huge egos, who go on about how "attractive" they are that men in labor situations don't want to deal with.

If I'm painting a sign with you, the last thing I give a fuck about is how pretty you think you are. In fact, you thinking that you're so fucking hot has nothing to do with the work, and will just be a distraction.

I'll never get bitches like you, and am glad that I rarely have to work with women in my field. And when I do, I let them know that no matter how whorish they like to dress, that shit doesn't work on me. I've been very blunt with women as to the parameters of our working relationship, and have embarrassed some "extremely hot" bitches by just letting them know straight up the we're not here to flirt, and their bimbo inclination is a distraction to what needs to be accomplished.

Admittedly though, many "men" turn into school boys around titillating cock teases like the typical contemporary American woman in the work place.
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Wow...you are so wrong about me...
I've never been a big 'make-up' wearer, and I don't do the fake nails, and crap.
I've always been a Tomboy.
I don't dwell on my 'attractiveness'.
But, I have had to deal with the consequences of being stuffed in this wrapper.
I've been told by men..." it dosen't matter what you wear, we can see beneath all the layers of clothes. You could wear a burlap sack and still we'd be attracted to you".
If I'm wearing loose clothes, no makeup, it dosen't matter...
It still happens, and has happened, my whole working life.
Is that my fault too?!
What am I supposed to do?
I've already done everything I can to be as 'un attractive as possible'...
Should I mutilate my face and body so it will end?!!
I can't just ignore other people I'm supposed to be working with, and not speak to anyone...
Is it my fault that people develop a crush on me, because I smile at them, and am nice to work with?
Do I have to walk around looking like a bum, and act like a total bitch to everyone, just so it won't happen?
What a fucked up line of thinking...

Maybe if guys didn't just se women as sexual objects, this wouldn't happen...
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I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Men are traditionally providers for the family hence they feel out of place with you being who you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918178

That was applicable 60 years ago...but that has not been what I've seen or experienced growing up as a child, or living as an adult.
The World just isn't like that anymore.
Women are held to the same responsibility of providing for the family too...we are EXPECTED to go out and work, and most of the time, it's the only way a 'family' can make it these days...both men and women working, bringing in money for the family.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


This has been applicable since the dawn of time and it will not go away in 60 years, 60 years is nothing. Even salaries could work, but according to you make much more money than your men, hence why they feel insecure. You trying to stroke their ego potentially makes them feel even less secure, men can totally feel who's the boss (ie who makes more money) and see all that ego stroking as an attempt to pacify a helpless child, which is how they feel. It's really quite simple.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918178

That's really sad, if that's truly how it is, and always will be..
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Maybe if guys didn't just se women as sexual objects, this wouldn't happen...
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Maybe if women quit acting like them...

Clean your own house ;)

I'm not a Christian, so I don't usually quote the Bible. But there's a great quote, something like "One must remove the log from his own eye, prior to removing so much as a splinter from another's."
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If I had a giant ego...I'd be famous by now...:P

The only reason my thoughts go to money, is because it is thrown in my face.
I don't have a problem dating men with or without money...
It's not the wallet that attracts me to them...it's who they are as people.
It just seems that at some point, either the money, or my Creative nature/ability causes problems somewhere down the line.
Could you be with someone that was bothered by you being a musicain, and tried to keep you from playing music?
All I ask of them, is let me be who I am, let me create, and be there to share my joy when and if I succeed. Is that so much to ask of a partner?

I really don't try to pick men that feel inferior to me, or have low self esteem..
I'd rather not have to keep failing, really.
But, I also won't be controlled by a man either...
All the wealthy men I've ever dated, at some point, have tried to use their money to control me...and I just won't do it.
I don't care about their money enough to buckle down to thier wishes to get it.
If I could ever meet a wealthy man that didn't do that...and we got along , had common interests, I'd snatch him up in an instant.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


My wife of 15 years has typically made more money than me. It's never been an issue for her or for me. When we first started dating she would pay to take me out because I was 18 in music school and she was a little older, already working in her profession. We just enjoyed each other, so even at the outset, there was no weirdness from either side about if she was paying for something. Being together meant more than the means.

You come off like money is a big deal to you. You go on about how you don't need a man. I must say, the NEED that that I have for my wife has nothing to do with money... And she would say the same for me. Forget about what you make, and meet someone who you truly need in your life. You might have to lay your ego aside, but it's worth it.
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If I had a giant ego...I'd be famous by now...:P

The only reason my thoughts go to money, is because it is thrown in my face.
I don't have a problem dating men with or without money...
It's not the wallet that attracts me to them...it's who they are as people.
It just seems that at some point, either the money, or my Creative nature/ability causes problems somewhere down the line.
Could you be with someone that was bothered by you being a musicain, and tried to keep you from playing music?
All I ask of them, is let me be who I am, let me create, and be there to share my joy when and if I succeed. Is that so much to ask of a partner?

I really don't try to pick men that feel inferior to me, or have low self esteem..
I'd rather not have to keep failing, really.
But, I also won't be controlled by a man either...
All the wealthy men I've ever dated, at some point, have tried to use their money to control me...and I just won't do it.
I don't care about their money enough to buckle down to thier wishes to get it.
If I could ever meet a wealthy man that didn't do that...and we got along , had common interests, I'd snatch him up in an instant.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


My wife of 15 years has typically made more money than me. It's never been an issue for her or for me. When we first started dating she would pay to take me out because I was 18 in music school and she was a little older, already working in her profession. We just enjoyed each other, so even at the outset, there was no weirdness from either side about if she was paying for something. Being together meant more than the means.

You come off like money is a big deal to you. You go on about how you don't need a man. I must say, the NEED that that I have for my wife has nothing to do with money... And she would say the same for me. Forget about what you make, and meet someone who you truly need in your life. You might have to lay your ego aside, but it's worth it.
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Hell, if I had a woman that so much as wanted to split checks I'd be thrilled! Honestly, I wouldn't be bothered with a woman making more money than me, so long as the other preconceived notions went out the window, too (The guy paying for everything :P)
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you can not have it both ways. you specify how independant/tough etc you are, then wonder why things do not work out. you need to accept you will be alone or that you do need a man, its one way or the other. the fact you post here tells me deep down you are lonely.

a decent and sane guy wants a teammate or partner in a relationship, not some independant preacher, in reality you offer nothing.

the woman i almost married is a surgeon and attractive.

the woman i did marry is the best wife and mother i could have ever asked for, for millions reasons that dont preach about her status/power etc.

bottom line is people want to be happy, so if you are so special and talented then answer me this....why the hell are you still alone?

it is the simple things that make a ideal mate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1231244

You are right about there being a part of me that is lonely.
There is a part, that is.
I enjoy companionship , just like everyone else...and the touch of another human is nice, comforting...
I do want a 'team mate, and partner'...

I just can't find 1...

I don't go around preaching anything to anyone.
It may sound like it, because of this thread...but it is a discussion of a subject...so I've had to sit and think about these things...to continue the discussion.
Had to look back at my past relationships, and think about what went wrong..

I know I've been a good partner to the people I was with...
I just want someone that will treat me the same way I treat them... seems to be like finding a needle in the haystack !

I'm alone right now, because I choose to be....
I don't feel like I have to 'settle' just to be with someone.
I'd rather be alone, than have to live with someone trying to change me, or deal with a bunch of stupid crap that shouldn't really matter anyway ( like the money issue).
I'm not so needy that I HAVE to have another person in my life......
But it would be nice to find someone that would be an equal partener, and accept me as I am....understand that it's more important that we love each other and want to be togehter, than NEED each other to exist.
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Wow...you are so wrong about me...
I've never been a big 'make-up' wearer, and I don't do the fake nails, and crap.
I've always been a Tomboy.
I don't dwell on my 'attractiveness'.
But, I have had to deal with the consequences of being stuffed in this wrapper.
I've been told by men..." it dosen't matter what you wear, we can see beneath all the layers of clothes. You could wear a burlap sack and still we'd be attracted to you".
If I'm wearing loose clothes, no makeup, it dosen't matter...
It still happens, and has happened, my whole working life.
Is that my fault too?!
What am I supposed to do?
I've already done everything I can to be as 'un attractive as possible'...
Should I mutilate my face and body so it will end?!!
I can't just ignore other people I'm supposed to be working with, and not speak to anyone...
Is it my fault that people develop a crush on me, because I smile at them, and am nice to work with?
Do I have to walk around looking like a bum, and act like a total bitch to everyone, just so it won't happen?
What a fucked up line of thinking...

Maybe if guys didn't just se women as sexual objects, this wouldn't happen...
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Ha, men will only say stupid shit like that to women who let them get away with it. My wife is 5'10" 130lbs. curvy hourglass shape and beautiful. Men who try to pull that shit on her get an earful IMMEDIATELY. There is no open invitation to flirt with her and she lets them know that with ZERO hesitation.

I've worked with women like her, no nonsense professionals, and I've worked with women who let men say such ridiculous shit as "it doesn't matter what you wear, we can see beneath all the layers of clothes. You could wear a burlap sack and still we'd be attracted to you".... That type of thing is disrespectful, and for women who allow that, it's usually because they get off on the ego stroke. It just becomes a game.

I pity the idiot that says something like that to my wife lol. They would leave the conversation thoroughly embarrassed.
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Maybe if guys didn't just se women as sexual objects, this wouldn't happen...
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Maybe if women quit acting like them...

Clean your own house ;)

I'm not a Christian, so I don't usually quote the Bible. But there's a great quote, something like "One must remove the log from his own eye, prior to removing so much as a splinter from another's."
 Quoting: Jake101

Not all women act like that...to throw everyone into that group is wrong.

My sexuality is only brought out when the time is appropriate.
I know the differance between 'work time', and 'sexual time'. The 2 don't mix, unless you happen to work in the sex trade as an exotic dancer or call girl.

I like the quote.....and I would apply it, if it were applicable in this situation...but it isn't.





GLP