Male egos, and strong, independant women...

An analogy ideal male/female dynamic, to my mind, would be the rider and the stallion.

The female (rider) needs to learn the capabilities of the man, know when he is ready to gallop, when he needs a rub down. And how to get the absolute best out of him.

The male (stallion) to read the desire of the female, gallop when she wants, trot when she wants.

Understanding each other, reading the other, working together to best get from point A to point B.

The OP (Woodsprite) would be the equivalent of the rider jumping on the horse, telling the horse that while it is not really up to her high standards, and despite it looking rather lame, it should run anyway. No flick of the reins, kick of the stirrups, dangling carrot. Just....run you inferior male horse.

And the horse thinks "I'm not going to run for you" and just stands there and chews grass. After a while she has no choice but to get off before he bucks her off, and make the long painful walk to point B alone..

Of course, she is a "strong woman" and eventually makes it to point B, hot, tired and alone......

Meanwhile, a completely different rider came up to the same horse. She rubs the horse admiringly. "Look at you big boy - how handsome and strong! I will very much enjoy riding you my stallion"

And the horse, pumped up and totally motivated stops chewing, and begins to stamp. "Lets ride baby!!!"

And they ride. And reach point B in no time, and have great fun along the way..

To the OP (Woodsprite).. You fall into the same trap many young females fall into these days. You do not understand males, thus squander your greatest resource and potential for fulfillment.

Yeah, sure. You can "do it yourself"...Alone and the hard way like the many "strong independent" women out there.

But there are an enormous amount of wonderful men out there - diamonds in the rough mostly. Motivate them (pump up their egos), they will move mountains for you. Wait for them to do it themselves they will just stand there chewing grass until a half decent rider comes along.
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An analogy ideal male/female dynamic, to my mind, would be the rider and the stallion.

The female (rider) needs to learn the capabilities of the man, know when he is ready to gallop, when he needs a rub down. And how to get the absolute best out of him.

The male (stallion) to read the desire of the female, gallop when she wants, trot when she wants.

Understanding each other, reading the other, working together to best get from point A to point B.

The OP (Woodsprite) would be the equivalent of the rider jumping on the horse, telling the horse that while it is not really up to her high standards, and despite it looking rather lame, it should run anyway. No flick of the reins, kick of the stirrups, dangling carrot. Just....run you inferior male horse.

And the horse thinks "I'm not going to run for you" and just stands there and chews grass. After a while she has no choice but to get off before he bucks her off, and make the long painful walk to point B alone..

Of course, she is a "strong woman" and eventually makes it to point B, hot, tired and alone......

Meanwhile, a completely different rider came up to the same horse. She rubs the horse admiringly. "Look at you big boy - how handsome and strong! I will very much enjoy riding you my stallion"

And the horse, pumped up and totally motivated stops chewing, and begins to stamp. "Lets ride baby!!!"

And they ride. And reach point B in no time, and have great fun along the way..

To the OP (Woodsprite).. You fall into the same trap many young females fall into these days. You do not understand males, thus squander your greatest resource and potential for fulfillment.

Yeah, sure. You can "do it yourself"...Alone and the hard way like the many "strong independent" women out there.

But there are an enormous amount of wonderful men out there - diamonds in the rough mostly. Motivate them (pump up their egos), they will move mountains for you. Wait for them to do it themselves they will just stand there chewing grass until a half decent rider comes along.
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OP, you may not realize it yet, but you are destined for a female life partner. You will never desire or be good at stroking male ego, which is what most require. You will also never be fulfilled with younger, less successful hanger-on types of men who will see you as a mommy and cost you lots of time and trouble (they all cheat, both men with powerful women and the other way around.) I'm a 38 yo woman in a similar situation to you, and I recognize from your posts that you will only continue to attract unsatisfying relationships with men. Find a good, solid group of sophisticated girlfriends. Friendship is a great social network and support...you don't have to partner up with a man. You might be surprised that even if you've dated men your whole life, relationships with like minded females can spring up just as naturally and be tremendously more fulfilling ;)

IF men don't have the self-confidence it takes to appreciate a real woman, and he needs his ego stroked constantly, then it shows immaturity imo.

There are alot of men who try to act like they are very confident, but when they get around a real woman who is comfortable in her own skin, it threatens them,especially when she can think for herself.
Men like this still need mommy figures because they haven't let go of the tit yet. A real man needs no one, at all. If he sees a woman, and he likes her, he goes and takes her. Men are all the time bragging about, "If I see something I want, I'll just take it."
Those are the self-made men, the self-confident ones. They are comfortable being themselves. Which is an alpha btw.
These are the type of men who are passionate enough in bed to know how to get her to melt at the slightest touch. Yet they can conquer the world and own it at the same time. There are hardly any men like this left in the world today. Why?
Because they have been raised to be completely dependent on a female for their very survival, which is very wrong.

Give me a man's man and I'll show you what we can both do together. But I will never walk 2 steps behind any man nor sacrifice my self-respect or give up my morals or values just to soothe his ego.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.

I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.

Strong independent women is just euphemism for agressive bitch. You claim to be strong and independent yet you demand that men protect and provide you, parasitic cunts.

if shtf there will be plenty of men that put ure independant ass were it belongs...

Strong independent women is just euphemism for agressive bitch. You claim to be strong and independent yet you demand that men protect and provide you, parasitic cunts.

Exactly!
I want one of those 'Man's Men', that are so rare...I think they have gone like the Dodo bird! LOL..

She is saying she does NOT need a man, moran. If you are so concerned about women being parasitic then don't be with one. What's your deal anyway? You are the most bitter, hateful jerk on this forum.

I'm sure this has already been addressed, but here I go again.

Females VERY often judge a man on his wallet. As such, nearly every relationship I've seen where the woman makes more money, the man is either her slave, or she ends up cheating on him. Actually, let me rephrase that. EVERY time I've seen that, that happens.

Since men are more likely to judge on looks than women, and women are more likely to judge on wallets than men, then you add in societal norms --- you have a situation where men don't like women making more money, and women get paranoid when their men are very attractive.

This isn't always the case, just the way I've observed it happening.

Listen, you want to be an asshole about this, that's just fine...
Obviously you haven't heard a fuckin' word I've said, or posted, or you'd KNOW I DON'T NEED MEN TO SUPPORT ME!!!
In the majority of my relationships...the assholes have quit their jobs...thinking because I had money and a home, that I would TAKE CARE OF THEM !!!!!
The only thing I demand of anyone I'm involved with is Respect, and return of the LOVE I give them, Honesty...period!
You're living in a warped World if you believe ALL WOMEN NEED a MAN to support them...
Matter of fact, you sound like you come from 1 of those women hatin' religions....that still opress women, and treat them badly.

I'm sure this has already been addressed, but here I go again.

Females VERY often judge a man on his wallet. As such, nearly every relationship I've seen where the woman makes more money, the man is either her slave, or she ends up cheating on him. Actually, let me rephrase that. EVERY time I've seen that, that happens.

Since men are more likely to judge on looks than women, and women are more likely to judge on wallets than men, then you add in societal norms --- you have a situation where men don't like women making more money, and women get paranoid when their men are very attractive.

This isn't always the case, just the way I've observed it happening.

I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.

and women do not cheat unless they feel emotionally neglected, not because they make more money

...up front, on the line...taking care of business...like I always do!..I'm sure...:P
LOL..

I can honestly say...I've never cheated on anyone I've been in a committed relationship with... no matter how much money they had or didn't.
And, I've never had a man be 'a slave' to me.
It's usually the other way around..they try and 'enslave me' because they are so insecure.
To me, the relationships you described...sound like both people are just too insecure..

What a messed up World we're living in these days.....:(

I'm sorry but I do not see that at all. I've known many women who made more money than their husbands and never were on a power trip about it, and women do not cheat unless they feel emotionally neglected, not because they make more money. You guys have some weird observations and ideas. You and Brazilian mysogynist sound very insecure. For most men, these things are not even issues.

I read a very nice post by a male on here a bit ago, talking about Male Egos, and how women today don't 'stroke' it enough, therfore, men don't ask women out.

I felt the need to add a side bar to his thread, because while he may be speaking for some men, there are others that need to be adressed.

I'm talking about the men that get intimidated/jealous of a strong, independant woman.
I've had the problem with pretty much every man I've ever been with....no matter how much I 'stroke their ego" to make them feel good.
They just can't handle a woman that makes more money than they do...or is blessed with a gift that generates income without having to slave away at a job you hate.
My independance is threatning to them....because I do not 'need' them.

Personally, this bums me out to no end.......because when I'm in love with someone, I want to 'shine' for them...so they can be proud to be my partner...be able to tell their friends 'Yeah, that's MY GIRL!"
I know that personally, I'd much rather want to be in someone's life that 'wanted' me there, not because they 'needed" me to be there.

Are there no men out there that can appreciate a smart, talented , attractive, independant woman out there these days?

Why should we have to "pretend' that we 'need' you?
Why isn't it good enough that we love you , and want you in our lives?
Why do you get all threatened when we 'succeed', and are shining for you, so you will be proud to have us on your arm?!
Do you really want some woman that depends on you for EVERYTHING?
Emotional fulfilment, financial support, emotional support?
Seems to me it would get old pretty quick having to be EVERYTHING to another person, have them lean on you for it all.

Because of these things, is why I really don't date anymore.
I'm sick of having to fight to be me, to be 'allowed' to create...
Sick of men that get pissed off and leave because I made more money in 4 days, than they did in a month...
Sick of men that get all upset, because I don't need them in my life, I just 'want' them to be in it...

A woman's life does not have to revolve around a man, and I'm sick and tired of having to tip-toe around their so easily bruised egos.
Partnerships should be an equal exchange of love,respect, and support for one another...not some competition, or some deadly game of having to constantly prop up your partner's ego, or it all comes crashing down.

Women are opressed? Only in your warped mind, cunt. You receive special rights and have zero responsibilities. You are just spoiled bitches who can think only about yourselves.

I'm sorry but I do not see that at all. I've known many women who made more money than their husbands and never were on a power trip about it, and women do not cheat unless they feel emotionally neglected, not because they make more money. You guys have some weird observations and ideas. You and Brazilian mysogynist sound very insecure. For most men, these things are not even issues.

Yeah, the kind of women you spoke of...to me they are 'gold diggers'...they give ALL WOMEN a bad wrap...:(
We aren't ALL like that...
Some of us actually don't give a damn how much money you make, because we have our own money...we don't NEED YOUR STUFF...we have our own.

I can honestly say...I've never cheated on anyone I've been in a committed relationship with... no matter how much money they had or didn't.
And, I've never had a man be 'a slave' to me.
It's usually the other way around..they try and 'enslave me' because they are so insecure.
To me, the relationships you described...sound like both people are just too insecure..

What a messed up World we're living in these days.....:(

I'm looking for a REAL woman...not a girly bitch who needs her fake glittery shit to make her feel pretty.

Honestly...strip a woman from her make up and they fucking suck yo dick.

It's all that fucking garbage that they produce that makes woman such bitches as they are today.

Look back before the reneissance age,were women EVER such bitches as they are today?

Maybe the queens in monarchy yes...but if a man and a woman saw each other,they instantly knew they got to hook up.

Without fucking bullshit.

Now it's just all the senses and idealogys are so diversified people don't even have any personalities anymore...

Most people are products of the society,walking in someone elses steps or idolizing someone else,because that's how it goes.

If you don't have money to promote yourself as a reasonable human people will laugh at you because you are different.

You have to be part of the mass hypnotized morons because that's how this SHIT WORKS.

You think TPTB only brainwash you from media? FUCK NO

They have EVERYTHING under control...believe it or not.

Why do you see justin biebers and some gay ass shit on TV?

Lady GAGA????

Cmon...express your gayness,you know you want to.

Everybodys doing it...no wonder all men are insecure...FUCK OFF

The root of all evil on this planet is the leadership of it,stop blaming each other.