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Woodsprite  (OP)

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Dez Bryant picks up $55,000 dinner tab for Cowboys' teammates
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Deacadent...
1. characterized by decadence, esp. culturally or morally: a decadent life of excessive money and no sense of responsibility.

Pretty much sums it up....


Yeah, on $55,000 I could pay all my bills and eat steak at least once a week feeding a family of 5 for a year.

I manage to do the same for around $25,000 a year! Says ALOT about the society we find ourselves living in!
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True enough!
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We have nothing like a meat markdown bin here. But when my cash runs low, I focus on more nutritious low-cost foods, like beans, on-sales cheeses, veggies from the low-end veggie market in the next town. The special from the meat market in the other next town over.

I still always see people here filling carts with non-food, diet soda, frozen dinners, bagged snack foods, cookies and boxed pastries, the stuff that cannot keep you alive. People buy this stuff actually believing it is food!! and necessary to their lives. It is no wonder why most of us are overweight and sick. Feed us junk, make us sick, and keep the medical industry going strong. Why can't people smarten up?

...end of rant.
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Nothing wrong with eating all that stuff.its food it does the job and it tastes great too.Chips you buy at the store are actual potatos just cooked different.Whats wrong with drinking soda.i feel good after i drink a soda.chocolate bars are nutrious they have milk eggs nuts and stuff.cookies are made withflour eggs oatmeal,nuts,etc,same with cakes and pastries are really good for your body.
i dont think you know what you are talking about.
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South Jersey checking in here..my local Shoprite is always crammed with food and other things, and it's a very good deal IF you shop the sales which i always do! Aldi's is good too, but you can get meat and some groceries much cheaper at Shoprite when it's on sale. Aldi's is great for banannas (always 39 cents a lb.), fancy european chocolates and cookies etc., and staples such as trash bags, food storage bags and so forth.Also frozen food. For the rest of what the Jersey lady said, she's pretty much on target, but i only recently started shopping at walmart, so i'll have to investigate what folks are saying about it. (EDIT)


I might assume you were referring to my post, however, the major thing to realize is that I am not a female poster, rather, a recently let-go senior level healthcare executive (male).

This should not be construed into some warped male/female issue, as what I am about to say has nothing to do with genger.

My reporting in NJ, has to do with my personal interactions with many people, male and female alike, as I am used to talking to complete strangers with ease.

The one fact I reported was that what appeared to be a high influx of male shoppers doing their homework and figuring out how to almost "make money" shopping by doing diligent research on their coupons. Not sure if these folks were bankers, investers, etc, but certainly, they were keen on their math. The only reason likely that they were so frank and open with me is because I was ONE OF THEM. Just another DAD shopping and trying to find a good deal. Just as I am sure many multitudes of Moms do every day.

I will also add this, now that another has posted it, that checking expiration dates on meats, dairy and canned items is imperative. More than a few times, in major food suppliers, I had to report out of date items. I thought little of it then, as it is likely easy to have outdated items pop up as I am sure there are no "date checkers" for each and every item in every supermarket. However, I am willing to bet that this is not an anomaly, rather, a way to sell outdated goods without the public knowing.

Now, I look at each and every item. If I buy 20 of the same thing (such as canned tomatoes, etc) you bet I am looking at the dates on each can as well as for dents, etc.

For those "survivalists" out there.... here's a little tip:

1. Whole grain products like "real" brown rice and whole wheat pasta are usually a good deal if you know where to look. And, as unpleasant as one might think, you can chow down on the stuff uncooked in the even water becomes an issue. The good news: You will be fuller longer, the carbohydrates in these complex starches will burn off slower and keep a steady blood-glucose level, and, even better, the by-product of the human body burning CHO3 (Carbohydrates) is H20 (water).

2. You will need to invest in canned nuts... no joke. Or bottled.. either way, you will need a complete protein source, and nuts will do it, along with the "good" fats as well. They will also trigger your hunger-center to register as full pretty quick, so, a few ounces of nuts go a long way and will give you the nutrients you need.

3. Cheap Multivitamins: Buy em now.... don't wait. You can easily go to Dollar General and get generic multivitamins to last you 4 years for less than $20.00

4. Canned Beans: Another complete protein... stock up... they are generally cheap, filling and will give you all you need without the need for cooking should that be the case.

5. Bleach. It's cheap... it kills nearly everything, and with the proper research, you can sterilize nearly everything with it and make it edible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1113792


Jersey, I really do appreciate the info you've brought to the thread.
It's very good, and you have covered all the bases for us, given us a good view of what I was asking about in the initial post.
You're right, it is very telling that there are more men shoppers, doing the 'bargain hunting' thing.
That used to be reserved for the main shopper of the houshold,which used to be mostly women.
The nutritional advice is awesome too...great stuff there!
Hope others read it, and take your advice, because it's good stuff... :)
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We have nothing like a meat markdown bin here. But when my cash runs low, I focus on more nutritious low-cost foods, like beans, on-sales cheeses, veggies from the low-end veggie market in the next town. The special from the meat market in the other next town over.

I still always see people here filling carts with non-food, diet soda, frozen dinners, bagged snack foods, cookies and boxed pastries, the stuff that cannot keep you alive. People buy this stuff actually believing it is food!! and necessary to their lives. It is no wonder why most of us are overweight and sick. Feed us junk, make us sick, and keep the medical industry going strong. Why can't people smarten up?

...end of rant.

Nothing wrong with eating all that stuff.its food it does the job and it tastes great too.Chips you buy at the store are actual potatos just cooked different.Whats wrong with drinking soda.i feel good after i drink a soda.chocolate bars are nutrious they have milk eggs nuts and stuff.cookies are made withflour eggs oatmeal,nuts,etc,same with cakes and pastries are really good for your body.
i dont think you know what you are talking about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 975204

LOL..you sound like my 21 yr. old Son...he views food the way you do too.
It's bad for you, because of the 'processing'...all kinds of chemical preservatives in them, high sugar/high fructose corn syrup level, high fat levels....salt...
All that 'crap' makes your body have to work harder in the end...because it has to process all that stuff, and do something with all those chemicals.
The actual 'nutrition' in them is very low..no fiber, or real vitamin content, just high doses of fat, sugar, salt, preservatives, artifical colors.
It's like eating 'fake food'...because you body gets so very little out of what you are consuming, beside thousands of calories at a time, that end up being stored as 'fat' in your body.
There was a study done some years ago, that showed just what a differance your diet makes.
It found that people that consume "junk food', do not live as long as people that ate real food, prepared at home.
It said that many that ate the 'cheap junk food' did so, because they couldn't afford the 'good food' like other folks, and in the end, it shortened their life span/ quality of life.
I guess it'd be alright if you don't want to live to be an old person, and don't care if you are plagued by health problems the entire time you are alive.
People are always free to choose their own path....
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Have not read all the post but just wanted to put my two cents in. Live in small town USA. About 2500 people. We have a wal mart and one other grocery store. For the last two years and especially this last year our wal mart is not being stocked the way it used to be. Many items they do not carry anymore and only a few cans on the shelves. We have to drive at least 30-50 miles to get to a larger town to shop, so I really don't understand why they would not keep ours full.

Also hiring freeze at our wal mart and the isles are a mile wide now. Saw an older gentlemen with a cart and the only thing he had in it was dry beans, different kinds, and corn bread mix packs, eggs and milk and two breads. No meats, no frills, I know he must be hurting for food. So sad.

I think it is just another sign that we are not doing as well as they want us to think. Keep the illusion as long as possible. My kids don't listen to me so one day they may wind up at my house just for food. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1084748

Thanks for the 'Small Town USA' update...:)
Nice to hear from you guys out there.

From what I'm reading on here...it sounds likeyour area is like many others.
Seems like it's hit the more Rural areas harder than many of the more populated areas around big cities.
I agree...it is a huge sign, and nope, we sure aren't...no matter how much Bullshit they spew...the evidence is in our lives, every day...it isn't getting better...it's getting much, much worse.
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Walmart hasn't ran a "weekly ad flyer" in two weeks....this morning I checked and read this...

"Come back on October 10 to see the new Local Ad."
[link to www.walmart.com]

I live in Arkansas and WEEKLY FLYERS have never DISAPPEARED?
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hmm...that is bizarre.
Wonder what's going on?
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OP, Southeast PA here. I have recently taken a part time job because I was laid off last month. The job entails taking pictures of homes going in to foreclosure.

I am seeing homes in foreclosure from shacks to mansions. There is an equal amount of homes in all ranges. No one is omitted from this economic crisis.

There is one difference that I am seeing that makes me say hmmm. The million dollar homes still occupied by owners are being cared for regardless that they are going to foreclosure. The lawns and shrubs are beautifully maintained and the home looks impeccable. However, the mid to lower range homes are being let to rot 50% of the time, even though the homeowner is still living in the house. It seems like the mid to lower range income families are loosing their pride. It is very sad to see.

My son's ex-wife recently dumped their home in my son's lap. She was 12 months back on the payments and the mortgage company was starting foreclosure procedures. My son was able to work out a deal with them to stop the process and they were very agreeable, of course. They don't want it back - they have too many. He paid all the fees for the arrears and they put the 12 payments on the end of the mortgage.

I hope that people who are loosing their homes can learn to have hope. A new job is always possible and if that happens, the mortgage company will be ever so happy to work things out. Unfortunately, many people want to let their homes go and are sticking it to the mortgage company by letting the houses go to the dogs and living there without paying for as long as possible. Have they given up hope or do they just not care? I really want to understand. I do know that many people are giving up because their homes value has decreased below the amount of their mortgage and that is understandable. However, there are people giving up who have houses that still have some equity....
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I have noticed that at my grocery too. I don't live in an affluent part of town but I was shocked to take a can of baked beans off the shelf and, with the exception of a row of cans across the front of the shelf, there was nothing behind them! The shelves all looked perfectly stocked until you take one from the row. After I saw this I went around and pulled several items and discovered this alarming practice! They have created a facade of abundance by pulling all items to the front and not restocking. Maybe it was at the end of the day (idk) or maybe the stock boy is just lazy. I will give them the benefit of the doubt but if it IS from lack of inventory on our FOOD SUPPLY, better start hedging our bets!
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............you are reading way too much into the 'one can in front'...this is common practice in all grocery stores; my uncle did it in his store back in the 1950's...nothing sinister about it; just a common things stores do!!! banana2
What you think about you bring about!!!
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WRONG! It has never been a "common" thing to do... until recently. Your Uncle simply didn't want to invest in a larger inventory than his revenue allowed.
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No, nothing new in my burb of Atlanta. They are out of stock with some regularity, but that's because they can't find the help to stock up before the next day (kids are back at school and adults don't want to work at Kroger). I'm there almost every day (I like my produce fresh) and the stock outs definitely follow a pattern: Sunday a.m., Friday & Sat night...
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I noticed how white foods can kill you a bunch quicker than all others
Holstein cows must be exterminated to save the world from cancers.
GMO Dairy products continue to be responsible for most all breast and uterine cancer.
Fish bones supply calcium.
Dairy also gets everyone lazy so they don't oppose TPTB.
Women eating yogurt are directly poisoned by hormones and extra specific chemicals.

I no dig dis Satan Mon de milk he is a sad thing
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Kansas here - our area seems to be holding up ok but we are starting to notice a few things. We shop on base at the commissary about 1 time a month. There prices have slowly started inching up on products but they do still have good sales. The odd thing is that in the entire time I have been shopping there they have never been out of anything - this past week they were out of pepper and out of the chopped garlic that you can buy in the jar. We go to the local Dillons store (owned by Kroger) in between and they seem to be ok - prices are higher and sales seem to not be as good as they once were. We also have been into Wal-mart - it seems the worst - the aisles have been widened and the shelves are bare a lot of times with the wal-mart brand being sold out alot of the time. Things they used to carry they no longer carry - we mostly only go there for liquid soap and trac phone cards now. My cousin was out of a technology job for almost 1 year and has found a job but the pay is almost 1/2 of what she was making and benefits are not very good. Both of my parents are working for a small company which is about to go under and my step son just worked his last day today as his company told them on Monday they were closing there doors. Overall it seems to us things are continuing to go down hill - for now we are hanging in.
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1116746:

Hang in there, KS... I'm also in Wichita and you're quite right, this area has been spared alot of the misery that has been plaguing our nation. Cosmopolitan wags have always said Kansas was three years behind everybody else.... so, in this case, perhaps that's helped us just a bit!

However: that is now changing [or soon will dramatically, if Hawker Beechcraft decides to pull out of town like they've threatened - this will be a deathknell for our local Wichita economy] and the national playing field is being steadily levelled.

As for myself: the one thing I gained from the entire Y2K debacle was the wisdom of keeping a well-stocked pantry, and I've done this ever since 1999. I even expanded it by 50% a couple of years ago when I noticed food prices starting their upward spiral with no end in sight. Keeping it stocked is a constant process, but buying 1 or 2 extra cans at a time is still manageable!

Tomorrow I'm taking my 85-yr old Mother to ALDI's to help her stock up her pantry a bit. She's told me horror stories of living in Abilene KS [a small farm community about 100 miles north of here] during the Great Depression of the 1930's and remembers clearly what those dismal past years were like.

ALWAYS look to the PAST for clues to what our FUTURE may hold!!!

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Thanks we will be hanging in - we have a small house so not a lot of space to stock but we do buy a couple of extra things every time we go shopping. You are right about the Hawker thing - if they leave then the city will really be in trouble - with all the aircraft we have already lost it seems like we may well be on our way to not being the air capital anymore - we do seem to be faring better than most places but as more aircraft leaves I think it will get harder. Glad you are helping your mom out to get prepared - if she lived through any of the depression then she knows what is coming. Good luck to both of you!




1116746:

Hang in there, KS... I'm also in Wichita and you're quite right, this area has been spared alot of the misery that has been plaguing our nation. Cosmopolitan wags have always said Kansas was three years behind everybody else.... so, in this case, perhaps that's helped us just a bit!

However: that is now changing [or soon will dramatically, if Hawker Beechcraft decides to pull out of town like they've threatened - this will be a deathknell for our local Wichita economy] and the national playing field is being steadily levelled.

As for myself: the one thing I gained from the entire Y2K debacle was the wisdom of keeping a well-stocked pantry, and I've done this ever since 1999. I even expanded it by 50% a couple of years ago when I noticed food prices starting their upward spiral with no end in sight. Keeping it stocked is a constant process, but buying 1 or 2 extra cans at a time is still manageable!

Tomorrow I'm taking my 85-yr old Mother to ALDI's to help her stock up her pantry a bit. She's told me horror stories of living in Abilene KS [a small farm community about 100 miles north of here] during the Great Depression of the 1930's and remembers clearly what those dismal past years were like.

ALWAYS look to the PAST for clues to what our FUTURE may hold!!!
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I have noticed that there doesn't seem to be as much inventory as there used to be. My local chain store used to be full to the brim on the shelves and the aisles were almost impassable with floor displays. Now it seems that there are limited numbers of items on the shelves and less choices and I can pass another cart just about anywhere that I please. Also prices have risen by 15-20% over the last year or so.
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I work as a Vendor and go from store to store... Albertsons, Ralphs, food4less, stater-bros etc... They have a 'new' system of "on-demand" ordering. Where once they had extra inventory in the back room/receiving, now it's essentially empty with just one extra load per week. This looks better on the books. Many items are now "faced" with only a single row--nothing in the back. Their computer system keeps track of inventory trends and thus will not automatically order items that are minimally in stock. They literally have NOTHING in the back to stock. Night crew merchandisers will now usually consist of only 4 employees for general merchandise with the rest of the stocking burden being placed on the manufacturers that BUY shelf space---which is almost everyone...
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Anyone else notice something like this happening in their area lately?


Actually, no. I've been surprised to see that the affluent people are still spending as foolishly luxurious as they always have. Then again, so am I.
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The amount of money you save by being thrifty is pointless as inflation will devour any paltry savings you achieve. The trouble is too many people in debt.
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Anyone else notice something like this happening in their area lately?


Actually, no. I've been surprised to see that the affluent people are still spending as foolishly luxurious as they always have. Then again, so am I.


The amount of money you save by being thrifty is pointless as inflation will devour any paltry savings you achieve. The trouble is too many people in debt.
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Yep...I've seen the grocery store inventory trend/price indexes and their retail prices have increased by 20-30% across the board in just the last four years.
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We have nothing like a meat markdown bin here. But when my cash runs low, I focus on more nutritious low-cost foods, like beans, on-sales cheeses, veggies from the low-end veggie market in the next town. The special from the meat market in the other next town over.

I still always see people here filling carts with non-food, diet soda, frozen dinners, bagged snack foods, cookies and boxed pastries, the stuff that cannot keep you alive. People buy this stuff actually believing it is food!! and necessary to their lives. It is no wonder why most of us are overweight and sick. Feed us junk, make us sick, and keep the medical industry going strong. Why can't people smarten up?

...end of rant.
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ok i understand your rant...but consider this my misunderstanding friend..

lets make believe....and take out alllll that "junk" that people call food from ALL stores...

lets pretend they stop making ALL processed food NOW..

so that leaves only the outer aisle to shop from..fruit, veggies, meat, milk..and thats all there would be for EVERYONE

now.. with that being said..if THAT happened ...we would have all starved a long time ago..

think about that...really think about it..
I am.. therefore I think
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There is a disconnect somewhere.

Something isnt adding up.

All i see is people spending money. Restaurants packed. Mall Packed, shopping centers packed.=====All the time!!!

I see new cars just bought with 30 days tags, frequently...

I hear about friends finding jobs, good ones....

everybody in my family is working. good paying jobs.


i dont know one person who is out of work anymore. And from what i gather, there is a lot of work to be done....

I think maybe business has beem cautious with hiring...but soon, maybe during the upcoming holdays and into next year were going to see a sruge of jobs being offered....


we are in recovery...no doubt about it. Its taken some time, but I see it and others do too. 2011 is going to be a good year for the economy.....

But, then I "read" everything here, and I listen to the self proclaimed "expert" analyst like schiff and celente and others and they just keep saying the same ole shit they were saying 5 years ago....

I honestly think they are making a killing selling FEAR. Sex sells , Voilence sells and so does FEAR.

99% Oof the MSM is bullshit. You guys even agree with that....so why would you believe that shit now? Because it is what you want to hear.....

when the MSM says things doomers like, they post all over the place as proof.....if doomers dont like it.....they say the MSM is bullshit and lying....

99% of the internet blogs, doom, is total bullshit.


go outside.....look and see for yourself.......

The doomers were wrong, control freaks like that guy at LATOC, Kunstler, tickerforum.org, zerohedge, sachiff, celetene , simmons, etc etc...

the gold bugs have made out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they have been making a killing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

selling FEAR. WIn 2011 it will be crytal clear that the recession is over, and when that happens.....just hope u had already sold your gold. because that is the new bubble.
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Kansas here - our area seems to be holding up ok but we are starting to notice a few things. We shop on base at the commissary about 1 time a month. There prices have slowly started inching up on products but they do still have good sales. The odd thing is that in the entire time I have been shopping there they have never been out of anything - this past week they were out of pepper and out of the chopped garlic that you can buy in the jar. We go to the local Dillons store (owned by Kroger) in between and they seem to be ok - prices are higher and sales seem to not be as good as they once were. We also have been into Wal-mart - it seems the worst - the aisles have been widened and the shelves are bare a lot of times with the wal-mart brand being sold out alot of the time. Things they used to carry they no longer carry - we mostly only go there for liquid soap and trac phone cards now. My cousin was out of a technology job for almost 1 year and has found a job but the pay is almost 1/2 of what she was making and benefits are not very good. Both of my parents are working for a small company which is about to go under and my step son just worked his last day today as his company told them on Monday they were closing there doors. Overall it seems to us things are continuing to go down hill - for now we are hanging in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1116746

Thanks for the info about Kansas...:)
I don't think we've had many Kansas peeps talking about their area on here.
I'm kinda surprised to hear that things are like that.
When my Nephew first moved from FL about a year and a half ago, he was in Kansas for several months before ending up in OK.
He said there were all kinds of jobs in Kansas and Ok...lots of roofing/construction type work.
Maybe it's the higher paying jobs that are harder to come by...which doesen't surprise me much.
Seems to be the new 'normal'...lower paying jobs.
Or, it is finally starting to hit you guys out there...starting to become like the other areas of the country that are suffering so much... :(
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1116746:

Hang in there, KS... I'm also in Wichita and you're quite right, this area has been spared alot of the misery that has been plaguing our nation. Cosmopolitan wags have always said Kansas was three years behind everybody else.... so, in this case, perhaps that's helped us just a bit!

However: that is now changing [or soon will dramatically, if Hawker Beechcraft decides to pull out of town like they've threatened - this will be a deathknell for our local Wichita economy] and the national playing field is being steadily levelled.

As for myself: the one thing I gained from the entire Y2K debacle was the wisdom of keeping a well-stocked pantry, and I've done this ever since 1999. I even expanded it by 50% a couple of years ago when I noticed food prices starting their upward spiral with no end in sight. Keeping it stocked is a constant process, but buying 1 or 2 extra cans at a time is still manageable!

Tomorrow I'm taking my 85-yr old Mother to ALDI's to help her stock up her pantry a bit. She's told me horror stories of living in Abilene KS [a small farm community about 100 miles north of here] during the Great Depression of the 1930's and remembers clearly what those dismal past years were like.

ALWAYS look to the PAST for clues to what our FUTURE may hold!!!
 Quoting: gsbltd

Thanks for the additional Kansas Info...:)
Yep...Mom sounds like she knows...good you have that kind of wisdom to learn from ,someone that's been thru this before.
Most of us don't have that....you have a treasure there... ;)

It sounds like you guys are getting ready to lose some of those 'Mini Giants' that I spoke of in the initial post.
I worry about losing them....I don't think it's good at all, because what remains of the Middle Class, is being held in place by these 'Mini Giants'.
If they go down, they are gonna take the remains of the Middle Class with them... :(
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I have noticed that there doesn't seem to be as much inventory as there used to be. My local chain store used to be full to the brim on the shelves and the aisles were almost impassable with floor displays. Now it seems that there are limited numbers of items on the shelves and less choices and I can pass another cart just about anywhere that I please. Also prices have risen by 15-20% over the last year or so.


I work as a Vendor and go from store to store... Albertsons, Ralphs, food4less, stater-bros etc... They have a 'new' system of "on-demand" ordering. Where once they had extra inventory in the back room/receiving, now it's essentially empty with just one extra load per week. This looks better on the books. Many items are now "faced" with only a single row--nothing in the back. Their computer system keeps track of inventory trends and thus will not automatically order items that are minimally in stock. They literally have NOTHING in the back to stock. Night crew merchandisers will now usually consist of only 4 employees for general merchandise with the rest of the stocking burden being placed on the manufacturers that BUY shelf space---which is almost everyone...
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Wow...thanks for clearing this issue up for us...it sounds like you know your stuff!
What you say makes sense too...why it is believable.
It is scarey that the stores are holding so little 'extra stock', compared to times past.
More and more, having an Emergency Supply at home sounds like a better idea.
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Re: Something I noticed while at the grocery store...
Anyone else notice something like this happening in their area lately?


Actually, no. I've been surprised to see that the affluent people are still spending as foolishly luxurious as they always have. Then again, so am I.


The amount of money you save by being thrifty is pointless as inflation will devour any paltry savings you achieve. The trouble is too many people in debt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 872433

Saving is never pointless.
The lack of people 'saving' is what has gotten us into many of these problems that are on our plates today.
If people had stuck with the old way of doing business...If you need something, you 'save' until you can afford it, then you go buy it....we wouldn't be having all the credit problems we are having.
Saving used to be 'common pratice'...how people managed to survive the Great Depression, living frugaly, and 'saving' what they could for even harder times that might happen.
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I have noticed that when in the shops, that the size of the net weight of goods keeps getting smaller, while the price continues to climb. So as time goes on, less and less on the shelves, while the population keeps growing; this will not end well if this continues.
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There is a disconnect somewhere.

Something isnt adding up.

All i see is people spending money. Restaurants packed. Mall Packed, shopping centers packed.=====All the time!!!

I see new cars just bought with 30 days tags, frequently...

I hear about friends finding jobs, good ones....

everybody in my family is working. good paying jobs.


i dont know one person who is out of work anymore. And from what i gather, there is a lot of work to be done....

I think maybe business has beem cautious with hiring...but soon, maybe during the upcoming holdays and into next year were going to see a sruge of jobs being offered....


we are in recovery...no doubt about it. Its taken some time, but I see it and others do too. 2011 is going to be a good year for the economy.....

But, then I "read" everything here, and I listen to the self proclaimed "expert" analyst like schiff and celente and others and they just keep saying the same ole shit they were saying 5 years ago....

I honestly think they are making a killing selling FEAR. Sex sells , Voilence sells and so does FEAR.

99% Oof the MSM is bullshit. You guys even agree with that....so why would you believe that shit now? Because it is what you want to hear.....

when the MSM says things doomers like, they post all over the place as proof.....if doomers dont like it.....they say the MSM is bullshit and lying....

99% of the internet blogs, doom, is total bullshit.


go outside.....look and see for yourself.......

The doomers were wrong, control freaks like that guy at LATOC, Kunstler, tickerforum.org, zerohedge, sachiff, celetene , simmons, etc etc...

the gold bugs have made out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they have been making a killing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

selling FEAR. WIn 2011 it will be crytal clear that the recession is over, and when that happens.....just hope u had already sold your gold. because that is the new bubble.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1110566

What area of the country are you in?
From what I've gathered from the posts on here, it looks like there are still some pockets where they haven't been hit as hard, Like Houston, NYC, parts of Detroit....seems to be the biggest cities are still managing to hold on , and the smaller towns and cities across the country have been hardest hit by all this.
It isn't any one area, like the Stock Market, that is the 'cause' of all this...it's like a cancer that has been sending out 'roots', spreading...it's in all areas of our lives today.

About what you said concerning the "Media", and us being in a 'Recovery"....they keep saying we are...and everywhere I turn around and look, I'm just not seeing it.
It's what made me start this thread in the first place.
The Media keeps saying that 'it's all good, we're coming out of this Recession'...and the evidence is saying something else.
When ya see 'old money' people shopping out of the meat mark down bin...there are serious problems within the system.
Personally, I feel like we are getting ready for another big crash.
It would fit with what's been happening.
Our Government has taken the same 'steps' that they did in the first Depression, to try and remedy the situation.
It didn't work then, there was a second crash a few years after the first one.
I think History is repeating it's self.
The only differance between what happened the first time, and what is happening now....is that in the first Depression, the money that was 'poured into the Stock Market' to keep it from crashing was put in by individual Millionaires, not the Government.
Many lost their entire fortune trying to keep the market from crashing....but it didn't do any good, it crashed anyway.
After the initial crash, they thought the 'worst was over' after a year or two...but then it happened again, another crash came...a bounce back kinda thing, from the first crash.
I've not seen any differance in the 2 events....and I've been watching for differances.
They just aren't there.
History is repeating it's self....
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Re: Something I noticed while at the grocery store...
I have noticed that when in the shops, that the size of the net weight of goods keeps getting smaller, while the price continues to climb. So as time goes on, less and less on the shelves, while the population keeps growing; this will not end well if this continues.
 Quoting: Matrix 1103195

No, it won't...:(
Others have noticed this too....paying more money, for less goods.
I guess the manuf. people are trying to be sneaky, think we won't notice that we aren't getting as much per package as we used to...but it isn't working.
We are noticing, and we aren't happy about it!
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OP, Southeast PA here. I have recently taken a part time job because I was laid off last month. The job entails taking pictures of homes going in to foreclosure.

I am seeing homes in foreclosure from shacks to mansions. There is an equal amount of homes in all ranges. No one is omitted from this economic crisis.

There is one difference that I am seeing that makes me say hmmm. The million dollar homes still occupied by owners are being cared for regardless that they are going to foreclosure. The lawns and shrubs are beautifully maintained and the home looks impeccable. However, the mid to lower range homes are being let to rot 50% of the time, even though the homeowner is still living in the house. It seems like the mid to lower range income families are loosing their pride. It is very sad to see.

My son's ex-wife recently dumped their home in my son's lap. She was 12 months back on the payments and the mortgage company was starting foreclosure procedures. My son was able to work out a deal with them to stop the process and they were very agreeable, of course. They don't want it back - they have too many. He paid all the fees for the arrears and they put the 12 payments on the end of the mortgage.

I hope that people who are loosing their homes can learn to have hope. A new job is always possible and if that happens, the mortgage company will be ever so happy to work things out. Unfortunately, many people want to let their homes go and are sticking it to the mortgage company by letting the houses go to the dogs and living there without paying for as long as possible. Have they given up hope or do they just not care? I really want to understand. I do know that many people are giving up because their homes value has decreased below the amount of their mortgage and that is understandable. However, there are people giving up who have houses that still have some equity....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1107224

Sorry it tok me a bit to reply PA, no offense....I appreciate your contribution to the thread...:)
Thanks also for your good insights into the housing market up your way.
We hear a lot about what is happening out west, but not much about other places.
It's an interesting observation about the forclosed homes, the differances between the Middle Class peeps, and the higher end ones.
I hope it isn't a pride thing like you said...I'm kinda hopeing it's more that they are really pissed off about losing their homes.
It seems like around here, the ones that have the bigger houses like you spoke of, have a bit more of an investment tied up in the property...made bigger down paymnets, or have been making payments for 10 years or so....
I think that might be why they are tending to take a lil better care of the properties...don't want to lose ALL of their investment....maybe hopeing that if the property is in good condition, it will sell for more than they owe, and they can recoup some of their investment.

About the ones that seem to have 'given up'...well, I do think there are people like that these days.
It's really depressing, watching it all happen.
I can see where people would become depressed, and just give up....thinking it's only 'a matter of time' before it's them that is hit by the troubles.
When you see it happening to everyone else around you, it's hard not to think that way.
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Re: Something I noticed while at the grocery store...
I have noticed that there doesn't seem to be as much inventory as there used to be. My local chain store used to be full to the brim on the shelves and the aisles were almost impassable with floor displays. Now it seems that there are limited numbers of items on the shelves and less choices and I can pass another cart just about anywhere that I please. Also prices have risen by 15-20% over the last year or so.


I work as a Vendor and go from store to store... Albertsons, Ralphs, food4less, stater-bros etc... They have a 'new' system of "on-demand" ordering. Where once they had extra inventory in the back room/receiving, now it's essentially empty with just one extra load per week. This looks better on the books. Many items are now "faced" with only a single row--nothing in the back. Their computer system keeps track of inventory trends and thus will not automatically order items that are minimally in stock. They literally have NOTHING in the back to stock. Night crew merchandisers will now usually consist of only 4 employees for general merchandise with the rest of the stocking burden being placed on the manufacturers that BUY shelf space---which is almost everyone...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1118740

Thanks AC this explains a lot.
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Re: Something I noticed while at the grocery store...
No, nothing new in my burb of Atlanta. They are out of stock with some regularity, but that's because they can't find the help to stock up before the next day (kids are back at school and adults don't want to work at Kroger). I'm there almost every day (I like my produce fresh) and the stock outs definitely follow a pattern: Sunday a.m., Friday & Sat night...
 Quoting: Faith

Thanks for filling us in on Atlanta, Faith.... :)
Sounds like another 'pocket' that hasn't been hit so hard yet.
It appears the areas around bigger cities are doing better than the smaller towns in more rural areas.





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