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The fire dept did the right thing.

The property owner had a free choice to be part of the fire district or not. No unfair across the board tax, with perhaps 0.20 cents on the dollar reaching the fire department.

This is exactly how it works where I live (rural america)- low taxes & you can choose to belong to the fire district or not. You can also choose to have a stone house with a metal roof & not feel the need to be part of the fire district.

This is how the American fire departments were established 250 years ago, and still the best way to run them -

Freedom of choice has responsability and consequence.
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Agreed. It used to be this way in the US. In fact people would put the fire shield on their door just so the fd would know they were good. You could always volunteer! That's how we do it out here, no volunteer would not help another volunteer.

Community is about to become waaay more important in America. All the people who lived under the old ways, where everything was taken care of for you is about to end, thankfully. Which will mean hell in the cities, but us rural folk should be fine, shit will just cost more. Those who get along with their neighbors will survive. Ignorant, prissy, modern urbanites will perish...
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What about all of the property taxes these people pay every year?



theres a city fire department..if you could call the small town a "city"...but theres no county fire dept and if you have a fire the fee has to be pre-paid

i say at the very least they should have went out and done their job..charged the homeowners the whopping $75 bucks and then maybe fined them a little more..

hell anyone would be happy to pay a fine with the fee to save their home...




NO. The fire dept. wanted to make an example out of the old folks. That way fewer people will decide not to pay. Kinda like how mobsters run extortion rackets.
Gee whiz, I wonder who set that fire in the first place?

Don't look to hard or you might find out it was someone wearing a badge and boots.
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Plain and simple extortion of the masses..

Pay your MANDATORY fee (for a service) and we will do our job. Fuck that

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They probably won't get Insurance money either because they did not pay the fire fee.
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i dont understand.

98% of this site is against any form of socialism, yet the fire department is a socialist system.

so when its changed to a capitalistic system, and people can not pay, then you get mad??!?

is this not what we want?
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I totally agree with you. This is basically a separate tax that should have ve been paid. They were expecting all the others who had paid to carry them. Sounds like they voted for Obamy.

That being said - the fire dept should have come out - put out the fire - and fined them heavily.
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Soooo sad. Why is it coming down to this?


because $$$ is the real God of the populace

many will kill for it and sell their bodies for it

hence, mercenaries/hitmans carrying out assassinations because the $$$ was good

your daughters dancing nude in a strip club or selling their bodies in escort services because $$$ is good
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So bloody true,........ they could've charged them to come out and put the fire out, a sad state of affairs
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WTF..... what do you want something for nothing?

You communists.....pay up it's the American way.
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Did i say socialism is sooooo bad our houses would be still staying.


What next? Police doing nothing cause you didnt pay some dollar?

Your right, The anti Gov. crowd are just sheep following the corp propaganda.
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Socialism is funded by the corporations.
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This story makes me sick! Why didn't they just make them pay a a higher fee (say 5 times the regular) to come out or something like that? It's heartless, and it's just plain stupid! What's next....If you property taxes are late no police or ambulance service?
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the mayor, fire chief and the city manager should be in jail for accessory to arson
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I agree with that. And to have the fire take two hours before it got to the house and not do anything--wtf those are not real fire-fighters--they dishonor the title.
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What about all of the property taxes these people pay every year?



theres a city fire department..if you could call the small town a "city"...but theres no county fire dept and if you have a fire the fee has to be pre-paid

i say at the very least they should have went out and done their job..charged the homeowners the whopping $75 bucks and then maybe fined them a little more..

hell anyone would be happy to pay a fine with the fee to save their home...




NO. The fire dept. wanted to make an example out of the old folks. That way fewer people will decide not to pay. Kinda like how mobsters run extortion rackets.

Gee whiz, I wonder who set that fire in the first place?

Don't look to hard or you might find out it was someone wearing a badge and boots.
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Isn't that called extortion?
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Video at newslink..

County residence are required to pay a $75 dollar fee each year if they want the fire dept to come out if they have a fire..this older couple hadnt paid..

the fire dept refused multipy times..and didnt come out until the neighbors house caught fire too because they had paid the yearly fee.

The local news media was told to leave after fire dept called police because of protesters.


sad sad story... glad there wasnt someone in the fire like grandchildren or anyone for that matter


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Since when did the fire department get taken over by the Mob??
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that's bullshit, isn't it.
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Soooo sad. Why is it coming down to this?


because $$$ is the real God of the populace

many will kill for it and sell their bodies for it

hence, mercenaries/hitmans carrying out assassinations because the $$$ was good

your daughters dancing nude in a strip club or selling their bodies in escort services because $$$ is good
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Your right there. Fiat money has replaced God. We spend nearly our entire lives chasing money that isn't even real. It is empowered by the great deceiver of man.
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Whats next? If you don't pay the fee for the doctor to deliver a baby, you deliver it yourself?
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bet a lot of $75 checks are in the mail today
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quti whining peak fossil fuels means no fire trucks at all for the plebina swine lol
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I'm glad I'm not stupid...or cheap...Just pay the $75/year and forget about it...That's like twenty cents a day, so if you have to, just give up one cup of coffee every morning and it's paid for...
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What about all of the property taxes these people pay every year?



theres a city fire department..if you could call the small town a "city"...but theres no county fire dept and if you have a fire the fee has to be pre-paid

i say at the very least they should have went out and done their job..charged the homeowners the whopping $75 bucks and then maybe fined them a little more..

hell anyone would be happy to pay a fine with the fee to save their home...
 Quoting: Indigo~Luna


I think your suggestion is the best to put out the fire and then charge them any arrears.

But the whole thing is, the homeowners KNEW there was a $75.00 fee to have firefighters fight a fire outside city limits.

from your link:

Each year, Obion County residents must pay $75 if they want fire protection from the city of South Fulton. But the Cranicks did not pay.

The mayor said if homeowners don't pay, they're out of luck.



I feel bad that the homeowners lost their house as firefighters stood back and watched it burn but perhaps there are way too many people in that county that do not pay for the fire protection. The firefighters are most likely paid through the taxes assessed on city residents not the rural residents. Maybe the mayor did this to get the rural/county residents to help pay for firefighter services that most likely many do not pay.

I still think it is unethical to not help someone in need but I can, to a slight degree, understand the reason behind that decision. Sort of a message/blackmail by the mayor to the rural residents to pay the $75.00 yearly fee or this could happen to you. 1dunno1
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I'm glad I'm not stupid...or cheap...Just pay the $75/year and forget about it...That's like twenty cents a day, so if you have to, just give up one cup of coffee every morning and it's paid for...
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it's not about being cheap. taxes should be covering this. the fire dept shouldn't be a run as a business, it's supposed to be a community service
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This out of control house fire could have become a wildfire burning down 1000s of acres and hundreds of homes killing a dozen elderly, children, pets, and wild animals. Even if they didn't put out the fire, they should have remained on the scene preventing it from spreading to any adjacent structures or wooded areas. I find them highly negligent.
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It took 2 hours for the fire to spread from the barrels to an out building then to the house. The fire department was called way way before the house caught fire. The resident offered to pay ANY fee regardless how high for them to respond and was told it was too late. It is obvious they wanted to make an example out of these people. They should have responded to the fire and charged them a huge fee, but still respond to save life and limb and prevent this fire from spreading to adjacent property no matter what!
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I'm glad I'm not stupid...or cheap...Just pay the $75/year and forget about it...That's like twenty cents a day, so if you have to, just give up one cup of coffee every morning and it's paid for...


it's not about being cheap. taxes should be covering this. the fire dept shouldn't be a run as a business, it's supposed to be a community service
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It costs money...in a town next to mine they voted to not raise property taxes to save some schools...So, they closed the schools and teachers lost their jobs...the students were transferred to other schools...if there is no money there is nothing they can do...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

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It took 2 hours for the fire to spread from the barrels to an out building then to the house. The fire department was called way way before the house caught fire. The resident offered to pay ANY fee regardless how high for them to respond and was told it was too late. It is obvious they wanted to make an example out of these people. They should have responded to the fire and charged them a huge fee, but still respond to save life and limb and prevent this fire from spreading to adjacent property no matter what!
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Yeah, maybe but they sent a strong message to anyone who refuses to pay...just think of it as insurance, if you don't buy auto insurance and then have a wreck you don't tell the insurance company to cover the damage and then you'll pay...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

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They shouldn't have let the house burn down.

But this is typical of so many whiners in this country. They want government services but start screaming "socialism" when they have to pay.

Local firefighters are not a part of "government" services. They are paid through state and local taxes.
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I don't think you have a solid grasp of what "government" consists of.

As for the first bit that was quoted, iamwith
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Also, I believe there is reimbursement money off of your homeowners policy for fire/ambulance service so makes them not coming out even stranger. I think everyone reading this should send an email/letter to Obion County city officials.
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The fire dept did the right thing.

The property owner had a free choice to be part of the fire district or not. No unfair across the board tax, with perhaps 0.20 cents on the dollar reaching the fire department.

This is exactly how it works where I live (rural america)- low taxes & you can choose to belong to the fire district or not. You can also choose to have a stone house with a metal roof & not feel the need to be part of the fire district.

This is how the American fire departments were established 250 years ago, and still the best way to run them -

Freedom of choice has responsability and consequence.



Agreed. It used to be this way in the US. In fact people would put the fire shield on their door just so the fd would know they were good. You could always volunteer! That's how we do it out here, no volunteer would not help another volunteer.

Community is about to become waaay more important in America. All the people who lived under the old ways, where everything was taken care of for you is about to end, thankfully. Which will mean hell in the cities, but us rural folk should be fine, shit will just cost more. Those who get along with their neighbors will survive. Ignorant, prissy, modern urbanites will perish...
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I think this type of service should be included in the county taxes then, with the $75 fee remitted to the city from the county out of those taxes (say property taxes for example).
I've never heard of anything so backwards ass in my life, tbh. I've lived all over the country to.
Better yet, since the state authorizes all levels of govenment beneath it (Dillion's Law), make it mandatory for all counties in the state to handle fire protection and revoke all municipal licenses for cities and towns who deprive people of equal protection under the law. Yes, I think this was a violation of these people's civil rights as the government entity failed to protect the common good.
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What about all of the property taxes these people pay every year?
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Ahh well you see, people keep screaming for "tax cuts". Then they get them and guess what? The local government has to make cuts of their own because the money is not there. In this case apparently the cuts were to the local fire department.

Don't the libertarian types go on about "user fees" so that "no deadbeat is getting something for nothing on my dime?"

Well. That's EXACTLY what has gone on here.

But hey, I guess it's better than "socialism," eh?
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It took 2 hours for the fire to spread from the barrels to an out building then to the house. The fire department was called way way before the house caught fire. The resident offered to pay ANY fee regardless how high for them to respond and was told it was too late. It is obvious they wanted to make an example out of these people. They should have responded to the fire and charged them a huge fee, but still respond to save life and limb and prevent this fire from spreading to adjacent property no matter what!


Yeah, maybe but they sent a strong message to anyone who refuses to pay...just think of it as insurance, if you don't buy auto insurance and then have a wreck you don't tell the insurance company to cover the damage and then you'll pay...
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hi Brief!

Initially I thought of that as well, it is like insurance; but, then there is a moral/ethical issue as well as a safety issue. Morally/ethically it is wrong not help if you can; safety - well they did put out the fire on the neighbor's property who did pay.

It would be equivalent to an EMT watch you suffer and not offer to treat you because you didn't pay an EMS fee.

I agree with the whole "personal responsibility" and the homeowner gambled his home by not paying the $75.00 fee and lost; but, the ethical side of me doesn't agree with not offering assistance.
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It took 2 hours for the fire to spread from the barrels to an out building then to the house. The fire department was called way way before the house caught fire. The resident offered to pay ANY fee regardless how high for them to respond and was told it was too late. It is obvious they wanted to make an example out of these people. They should have responded to the fire and charged them a huge fee, but still respond to save life and limb and prevent this fire from spreading to adjacent property no matter what!


Yeah, maybe but they sent a strong message to anyone who refuses to pay...just think of it as insurance, if you don't buy auto insurance and then have a wreck you don't tell the insurance company to cover the damage and then you'll pay...
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT


That's not what he said... They should have put the fire out and then billed the homeowner for the FULL price of responding to the call, just like if you go to the ER (in the US at least) without insurance. You'd still get the "strong message" that if you don't pay the $75 you're gonna get reamed if there ever is a fire, but letting the house burn down was a bit much.

No-one is suggesting that they could have just paid the $75 afterwards.





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