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Section 9006 will ignite the TAX REVOLT!

 
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Johanns said in a prepared statement that Section 9006 “threatens to swamp as many as 40 million businesses, churches, non-profits and other entities with useless tax-reporting paperwork, consuming valuable resources and limiting their ability to grow and hire more workers.”

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Congress in their hubris to grab more money to fund ever more socialism has crossed an invisible line in the sand with Section 9006 in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Faced with unbearable overhead compliance costs combined with the market impact of having to track clients and/or issue them 1099 forms; the TAX REVOLT will start in 2012 among the thousands of Coin Dealers operating in the united States of America, unless legislators join Sen. Mike Johanns (R-Neb.) in a full repeal that new 1099 requirements.


HOW THE TAX REVOLT WILL START

Coin dealers and their customers are not your average dumbed down media lemmings.

This group is unique in that many among them have studied economic history and tax laws.

More than a few are keenly aware of the big income tax secret.

The secret that most income tax is collected by tricking gullible folks into a taxable act.

The IRS has bemoaned for eons about the non-filers who refuse to be tricked and owe no taxes.

Such non-filers are not ‘illegal tax evaders’ but rather ‘legal tax avoiders’.

The rub is that many gold and silver buffs know the tax laws and how to legally avoid taxes.

Some of these gold and silver buffs own and operate coin dealerships.

Two powerful forces are going to act to cause surviving coin dealers to let the tax trick out of the bag.

The first force is market share. The few dealers who offer their customers a choice of signing either a Form W-9 (the declaration of taxable income ‘opt in’ form) or a duel statement of citizenship (the income reporting ‘opt out’ form); are going to capture a lions share of the market as no client wants a 1099 at the end of the year.

The second force is market survival. The remaining dealers who wish to survive and stay in business will be forced to compete by learning about the income tax trick and offering their clients the ‘opt out’ form as well.


HOW THE TAX REVOLT WILL GAIN MOMENTUM

As more and more people wake up to the fact that they have been tricked into an onerous income tax system and discover how to ‘opt out’ of it.

The ‘self employed’ serfs will learn how to ‘opt out’ on trade income and become non-employed proprietors.

As more and more people are added to the ranks of legal non-filers word will spread like wildfire to regular private sector employees.


HOW THE TAX REVOLT WILL KILL THE U.S. DOLLAR

The U.S. Debt is backed by the interest paid by INCOME TAXES.

As more and more people learn how to legally ‘op out’ of the income tax system, tax revenues will drop like a stone.

U.S. creditors will smell the inevitable default and bail out of U.S. debt altogether, which will be the last nail in the coffin of the green back.


TIME FRAME

Unless Congress gets its head around these cause and effect realities and repeals Section 9006 before it becomes effective, the U.S. Dollar is likely to expire within three years as a globally traded monetary unit.
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Starts in 2012...anywhere a business pays over $600. for goods and/or services will have to be reported on a 1099; which requires a w-9 from the source of goods/services to supply the 1099 with the proper ID numbers...

Used to be business to business were exempt from this and only reported for individuals and or services..not goods..

Can you imagine a LARGE Corporation such as IBM reporting ALL vendor purchases of over $600 and acquiring the w-9 from each vendoe and then having the IRS digest all this info... BIG FFFFF INSANE..

.What the heck are they doing in Congress???? Some surmise this is the beginning to create an even more sinister tax structure called the VAT or value added tax. This is where they tax each stage of production/manufacture/value added; and not just the final sales tax at retail as it is now..

They are going to break the camels back..If Obamacare does not do that first...Is this their goal..Or are they really that desperate and are grasping at straws????
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Starts in 2012...anywhere a business pays over $600. for goods and/or services will have to be reported on a 1099; which requires a w-9 from the source of goods/services to supply the 1099 with the proper ID numbers...

Used to be business to business were exempt from this and only reported for individuals and or services..not goods..

Can you imagine a LARGE Corporation such as IBM reporting ALL vendor purchases of over $600 and acquiring the w-9 from each vendoe and then having the IRS digest all this info... BIG FFFFF INSANE..

.What the heck are they doing in Congress???? Some surmise this is the beginning to create an even more sinister tax structure called the VAT or value added tax. This is where they tax each stage of production/manufacture/value added; and not just the final sales tax at retail as it is now..

They are going to break the camels back..If Obamacare does not do that first...Is this their goal..Or are they really that desperate and are grasping at straws????
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I think they are totally disconnected from reality.

Physics is a bitch, a lesson that is soon to be learned.

Reference to: Action - Reaction principle.
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Starts in 2012...anywhere a business pays over $600. for goods and/or services will have to be reported on a 1099; which requires a w-9 from the source of goods/services to supply the 1099 with the proper ID numbers...

Used to be business to business were exempt from this and only reported for individuals and or services..not goods..

Can you imagine a LARGE Corporation such as IBM reporting ALL vendor purchases of over $600 and acquiring the w-9 from each vendoe and then having the IRS digest all this info... BIG FFFFF INSANE..

.What the heck are they doing in Congress???? Some surmise this is the beginning to create an even more sinister tax structure called the VAT or value added tax. This is where they tax each stage of production/manufacture/value added; and not just the final sales tax at retail as it is now..

They are going to break the camels back..If Obamacare does not do that first...Is this their goal..Or are they really that desperate and are grasping at straws????
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One other thing, the VAT has its own set of loopholes.

Loopholes that must be mastered to survive as the competitive advantage to avoiding VAT taxes will ensure that all non avoiders get driven out of business.

Hint: Intrastate transactions not within a Federal Area are exempt from VAT on jurisdictional grounds alone.

Bottom line: The current system is dying cause extreme socialism like communism is inherently unstable and won't last long term. The only hope to avoid a total collapse is for a return to constitutional principles and a reduction of the need for socialism through structural adjustments in the way our global economy operates. Given human nature, I won't hold my breath on this hope, as odds seem to heavily favor total collapse and a world wide currency system reset.
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Starts in 2012...anywhere a business pays over $600. for goods and/or services will have to be reported on a 1099; which requires a w-9 from the source of goods/services to supply the 1099 with the proper ID numbers...

Used to be business to business were exempt from this and only reported for individuals and or services..not goods..

Can you imagine a LARGE Corporation such as IBM reporting ALL vendor purchases of over $600 and acquiring the w-9 from each vendoe and then having the IRS digest all this info... BIG FFFFF INSANE..

.What the heck are they doing in Congress???? Some surmise this is the beginning to create an even more sinister tax structure called the VAT or value added tax. This is where they tax each stage of production/manufacture/value added; and not just the final sales tax at retail as it is now..

They are going to break the camels back..If Obamacare does not do that first...Is this their goal..Or are they really that desperate and are grasping at straws????
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If people don't know it, there is another law which goes into effect 2011 - 2012, that requires all merchant card payer systems to issue 1099s.

This means that every dollar collected by anyone who gets paid via PAYPAL, a credit card, or other merchant payment system will get a 1099 at the end of the year!

BIG SHOCK tax shock comming to all you eBay sellers, who buy stuff at garage sales and sell on-line. Guess what, the IRS is going to treat 100% of the money you collect as taxable income. It will be up to you to PROVE: your deductable expenses! Failure to keep accurate records could mean paying more in taxes than you made in profit!

Keeping such detailed records is very time consuming and beyond the skills of the average ebay seller. Too bad suckers... you'll just get to contribute that much more of your wealth to the social health system designed to give everyone but you FREE HEATH CARE!
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Silver coins will become very popular.
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Another angle is to exchange your labor for gold or silver coin. SCOTUS has already ruled that gold coins have the stated value in FRNs upon their face, $50. You could earn up to 6 gold coins and not have to report them on a 1099.

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so it appears the only hope for some to not pay the slave rate taxes is to either become dead, at least to TPTB or to live well below the poverty line and eat from garbage bins or hand outs...

ah yes, see the american dream is still going strong.... burnit

TPTB will have a hard time collecting 110% of your wages as taxes; but I expect TPTB will actually attempt to squeeze even more then that from your wallet!
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so it appears the only hope for some to not pay the slave rate taxes is to either become dead, at least to TPTB or to live well below the poverty line and eat from garbage bins or hand outs...

ah yes, see the american dream is still going strong.... burnit

TPTB will have a hard time collecting 110% of your wages as taxes; but I expect TPTB will actually attempt to squeeze even more then that from your wallet!
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More and more small business people are throwing in the towel and retiring.
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Never happen. They will be in jail, hung, or overseas by then.
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The only thing that would stat a revolt in America would be an object 4 inches in diameter, and 16 inches long shoved up there wazoo by the government. Even then maybe not.
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This will be repealed. This is the new political movement, the repealers coming to a local government near you. Government is binding the hands that feed it. Too much bureaucracy is impeding start ups with licensing and misc fees. Enough! Communist socialism doesn't work, ask Russia.

This election cycle, if there is a D or R in the column vote for I. Kick the bastards out and their two party paradigm. Repeal, repeal, repeal for freedom.
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This will be repealed. This is the new political movement, the repealers coming to a local government near you. Government is binding the hands that feed it. Too much bureaucracy is impeding start ups with licensing and misc fees. Enough! Communist socialism doesn't work, ask Russia.

This election cycle, if there is a D or R in the column vote for I. Kick the bastards out and their two party paradigm. Repeal, repeal, repeal for freedom.
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And, for survival.





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