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I was just looking up how to make one...there's some neat ideas out there. I think I will make that my next project.
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I was just looking up how to make one...there's some neat ideas out there. I think I will make that my next project.



What have you found? Do you want to get together for this project?
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I haven't looked anymore......been crazy busy!!! I think it would be neat to do together though.
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By the way, in Hebrew the word, Simcha, which means Joy can also spell two other very important Hebrew words that are inseparable to this day of Simchat Torah. Switch the letters of Simcha in Hebrew around and you get, Chamesh, meaning, Five, meaning the Five Books of Moshe, The Torah! Rearrange the words again and you get Moshiach, Messiah! So in other words you can’t have Joy without Torah, and without the Torah you can’t have the Messiah!


Simchat Torah is the culmination of the Fall Festivals of, Rosh HaShannah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkot. Let nothing stand in our way in celebration of the Torah.
Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami
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Well I'll be!!!

Did you guys know that Buddha prophesied about Yahoshua?!

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Well I'll be!!!

Did you guys know that Buddha prophesied about Yahoshua?!

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]
 Quoting: Rev. Stargazer


As did many of the demons who came before Solomon. [link to www.piney.com]


Did Buddha use the NAME Yahoshua? I doubt it.

Interesting to know though, thanks Nene!


**EDIT**

Upon clicking on the link you provided, I notice that is says this "Holy One" would lead people AWAY from the "old way" and into a "new way"...this does not sound like it speaks of the Messiah, but rather the spirit of anti-messiah.

Remember to test the spirits....if they cannot speak the Name of YHWH or Yahoshua Ha'Moshiach...they are fallen...liars...sent to deceive.

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Well I'll be!!!

Did you guys know that Buddha prophesied about Yahoshua?!

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]


As did many of the demons who came before Solomon. [link to www.piney.com]


Did Buddha use the NAME Yahoshua? I doubt it.

Interesting to know though, thanks Nene!
 Quoting: PalmOfDeborah



No, not by name but by description of crucifixion marks.

Check the link.
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Well I'll be!!!

Did you guys know that Buddha prophesied about Yahoshua?!

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]


As did many of the demons who came before Solomon. [link to www.piney.com]


Did Buddha use the NAME Yahoshua? I doubt it.

Interesting to know though, thanks Nene!


**EDIT**

Upon clicking on the link you provided, I notice that is says this "Holy One" would lead people AWAY from the "old way" and into a "new way"...this does not sound like it speaks of the Messiah, but rather the spirit of anti-messiah.

Remember to test the spirits....if they cannot speak the Name of YHWH or Yahoshua Ha'Moshiach...they are fallen...liars...sent to deceive.
 Quoting: PalmOfDeborah

Interesting, they can SAY the name, I'm not sure to what extent, but they CAN say the name, and use it in a deceptive manner. The name Jesus.....I have never heard the name Yahoshua used though.
Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami
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Well I'll be!!!

Did you guys know that Buddha prophesied about Yahoshua?!

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]


As did many of the demons who came before Solomon. [link to www.piney.com]


Did Buddha use the NAME Yahoshua? I doubt it.

Interesting to know though, thanks Nene!


**EDIT**

Upon clicking on the link you provided, I notice that is says this "Holy One" would lead people AWAY from the "old way" and into a "new way"...this does not sound like it speaks of the Messiah, but rather the spirit of anti-messiah.

Remember to test the spirits....if they cannot speak the Name of YHWH or Yahoshua Ha'Moshiach...they are fallen...liars...sent to deceive.
 Quoting: PalmOfDeborah



Wait a minute - perspective here

The person talking is Buddha - Siddartha and he's NOT talking to an Israelite.

BTW - Moshe prophesied about Yahoshua but never named his name.

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Well I'll be!!!

Did you guys know that Buddha prophesied about Yahoshua?!

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]


As did many of the demons who came before Solomon. [link to www.piney.com]


Did Buddha use the NAME Yahoshua? I doubt it.

Interesting to know though, thanks Nene!


**EDIT**

Upon clicking on the link you provided, I notice that is says this "Holy One" would lead people AWAY from the "old way" and into a "new way"...this does not sound like it speaks of the Messiah, but rather the spirit of anti-messiah.

Remember to test the spirits....if they cannot speak the Name of YHWH or Yahoshua Ha'Moshiach...they are fallen...liars...sent to deceive.



Wait a minute - perspective here

The person talking is Buddha - Siddartha and he's NOT talking to an Israelite.

BTW - Moshe prophesied about Yahoshua but never named his name.
 Quoting: Rev. Stargazer


But...when you put Moshe with Yahoshua...as in Moses and Joshua, you have Messiah Yahoshua...so, he/they kinda did prophecy his name...didn't they?

Same with the prophets Eli-yahu and Eli-shuah.

Not any excuses in the Law and the Prophets for not knowing who he was.

I love you Nene the Stargazer...you know that.

I just cannot accept the whole Buddha thing...but, that's just me.
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Well I'll be!!!

Did you guys know that Buddha prophesied about Yahoshua?!

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]


As did many of the demons who came before Solomon. [link to www.piney.com]


Did Buddha use the NAME Yahoshua? I doubt it.

Interesting to know though, thanks Nene!


**EDIT**

Upon clicking on the link you provided, I notice that is says this "Holy One" would lead people AWAY from the "old way" and into a "new way"...this does not sound like it speaks of the Messiah, but rather the spirit of anti-messiah.

Remember to test the spirits....if they cannot speak the Name of YHWH or Yahoshua Ha'Moshiach...they are fallen...liars...sent to deceive.



Wait a minute - perspective here

The person talking is Buddha - Siddartha and he's NOT talking to an Israelite.

BTW - Moshe prophesied about Yahoshua but never named his name.


But...when you put Moshe with Yahoshua...as in Moses and Joshua, you have Messiah Yahoshua...so, he/they kinda did prophecy his name...didn't they?

Same with the prophets Eli-yahu and Eli-shuah.

Not any excuses in the Law and the Prophets for not knowing who he was.

I love you Nene the Stargazer...you know that.

I just cannot accept the whole Buddha thing...but, that's just me.
 Quoting: PalmOfDeborah



'Tis cool!

When I first began my quest, I told YHWH I would accept whatever He revealed to me. Well, I came across that Buddha quote totally by accident as I also did when I discovered that John 1:1 was a direct quote from the Hindu Vedas. He has me looking at things differently than I did before.
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PalmOfDeborah  (OP)

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Question: Why would Jesus seem to go out of His way by drawing a distinction between the two? Why would He simply not say to keep HIS FATHER'S commandments as He had? What was the point if HIS commandments were the same as HIS FATHER'S commandments? This passage has always troubled me..


Don't forget John 13:34....

34"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.


Yes, again. Why is this a "new" commandment if it was always there?


Yohanan 13:34
And a renewed command I give to you. Love one another...

This is why I use ISR translation. All those little misunderstandings are actually cleared up when you go back to Hebrew. YHSWH never said "new." Because this WAS A QUOTE FROM LEVITICUS. Just because your Bible does not have a little footnote under it, does not mean it's not a quote. It just means the translators intentionally left it out for some reason...

There is no "New Testament." It is a Renewed Testament and a Renewed Covenant.

Why would the entire Old Testament talk about the reunification of Yishra'el after Solomon, and then we get to YHSWH and all those promises and covenants are just sort of replaced?

This is what happens when you take Scriptures and make it conform to your own beliefs. The Scriptures were written by Israelites for Israelites - not Americans, not Chinese, not Australians. Yes, there are many many Israelites living in those lands now, but you can't conform Hebrew prophecy and beliefs to the beliefs of the land you are living in.

You never see people in South Africa or Cuba taking Japanese prophecies and trying interpret them as if they will happen to the people of South Africa or Cuba. That is because the Japanese prophecies were not written for people in South Africa and Cuba. Likewise, you can't take Hebrew prophecies and think they refer to Kings of America. It just doesn't work that way.

P.S. Unfortunately this is how I talk in real life - loud. I'm a soft listener and a loud talker. Don't take it personally.


No worries...life has given me a tough skin;)

With regard to the highlighted part of your post. Wasn't the "reunification of Yishra'el" Israel? the promise of salvation through Jesus?? How can this than NOT be a new covenant. The old one failed the people of Israel miserably. Why hold onto a covenant that was not affective in saving them? (why poor old wine into new wine skins??) Jesus WAS the promised new covenant, (Issac the child of the promise was His ancestor) Jesus WAS the promised reunification that the entire Old Testament pointed to. Everything in those books, all the laws, the prophets, the ordinances, the statutes were ALL a "shadow of things to come" but the reality was in Christ.

And again, "I have not come to abolish but to fullfill

The new covenant/Testament could not be done away with until Christ fulfilled it.

Look at definition #4

ful·fill also ful·fil (fl-fl)
tr.v. ful·filled, ful·fill·ing, ful·fills also ful·fils
1. To bring into actuality; effect: fulfilled their promises.
2. To carry out (an order, for example).
3. To measure up to; satisfy. See Synonyms at perform, satisfy.
4. To bring to an end; complete.

At least that is how I see it;)
 Quoting: Lady Wolf



Hi LadyWolf. I think I must have missed this one. I understand where it may seem easier to believe that he brought the Torah to an end. However, YHWShA was and is the Torah made flesh. He was/is the perfect embodiment of all the Father, YHWH, instructed us in righteousness and holiness. In fulfilling Torah, YHWShA kept it perfectly. The Torah was and is the Perfect Law of Liberty.

From the definitions you listed, I highlighted #1. The word used in Matthew 5:17 is Strong's #G4137


G4137
Thayer Definition:
1) to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
1a) to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
1a1) I abound, I am liberally supplied
2) to render full, i.e. to complete
2a) to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
2b) to consummate: a number
2b1) to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
2b2) to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
2c) to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
2c1) of matters of duty: to perform, execute
2c2) of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
2c3) to fulfil, i.e. to cause God’s will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God’s promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment

Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4134
Citing in TDNT: 6:286, 867
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Furthermore, if you read all of Matthew chapter 5 in context, rather than pulling a verse out, you will see he is explaining Torah to us. He is reinforcing the commandments not ending them. I will post chapter 5 below in both KJV and The ISR Scriptures which include cross references. As time allows, I will follow up with references in the OT to which YHWShA is speaking.

KJV
Mat 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


ISR The Scriptures
Mat 5:1 But when He saw the crowds, He went up on a mountain. And when He was seated His taught ones came to Him.
Mat 5:2 And having opened His mouth, He was teaching them, saying,
Mat 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, because theirs is the reign of the heavens.
Mat 5:4 “Blessed are those who mourn, because they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 “Blessed are the meek, because they shall inherit the earth.(1) Footnote: (1)Ps. 37:9, 11, 22, 29, 34.
Mat 5:6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,(1) because they shall be filled. Footnote: (1)Isa. 55:1-2, Mt. 4:4, John 6:48-51.
Mat 5:7 “Blessed are the compassionate, because they shall obtain compassion.
Mat 5:8 “Blessed are the clean in heart,(1) because they shall see Elohim. Footnote: (1)Ps. 24:3-4.
Mat 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, because they shall be called sons of Elohim.
Mat 5:10 “Blessed are those persecuted for righteousness;(1) sake, because theirs is the reign of the heavens. Footnote: (1)1Pet. 3:14.
Mat 5:11 “Blessed are you when they reproach and persecute you, and falsely say every wicked word against you, for My sake.
Mat 5:12 “Rejoice and be glad, because your reward in the heavens is great. For in this way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Mat 5:13 “You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt becomes tasteless, how shall it be seasoned? For it is no longer of any use but to be thrown out and to be trodden down by men.
Mat 5:14 “You are the light of the world. It is impossible for a city to be hidden on a mountain.
Mat 5:15 “Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it shines to all those in the house.
Mat 5:16 “Let your light so shine before men, so that they see your good works and praise your Father who is in the heavens.
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets.1 I did not come to destroy but to complete. Footnote: 1The Law and the Prophets is a term used for the pre-Messianic Scriptures.
Mat 5:18 “For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.(1) Footnote: (1)Lk. 16:17.
Mat 5:19 “Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.
Mat 5:20 “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees,(1) you shall by no means enter into the reign of the heavens. Footnote: (1)Mt. 15:3-9, Mk. 7:7-13, John 7:19, Acts 7:53, Rom. 2:23-27, Gal. 6:13.
Mat 5:21 “You heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder,ʼ and whoever murders shall be liable to judgment.
Mat 5:22 “But I say to you that whoever is wroth with his brother without a cause shall be liable to judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raka!; shall be liable to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You fool!; shall be liable to fire of Gehenna.
Mat 5:23 “If, then, you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother holds whatever against you,
Mat 5:24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go, first make peace with your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
Mat 5:25 “Be well-minded with your opponent, promptly, while you are on the way with him, lest your opponent deliver you to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.
Mat 5:26 “Truly, I say to you, you shall by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
Mat 5:27 “You heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.
Mat 5:28 “But I say to you that everyone looking at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Mat 5:29 “And if your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it away from you. For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for your entire body to be thrown into Gehenna.
Mat 5:30 “And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you. For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for your entire body to be thrown into Gehenna.
Mat 5:31 “And it has been said, ‘Whoever puts away his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.
Mat 5:32 “But I say to you that whoever puts away his wife, except for the matter of whoring,(1) makes her commit adultery. And whoever marries a woman who has been put away commits adultery. Footnote: (1)Mt. 19:9, Dt. 24:1.
Mat 5:33 “Again, you heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to YHWH.'
Mat 5:34 “But I say to you, do not swear at all, neither by the heaven, because it is Elohimʼs throne;
Mat 5:35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Yerushalayim, for it is the city of the great Sovereign;
Mat 5:36 nor swear by your head, because you are not able to make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 “But let your word ‘Yea' be ‘Yea', and your ‘No' be ‘No'. And what goes beyond these is from the wicked one.
Mat 5:38 “You heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth,'
Mat 5:39 but I say to you, do not resist the wicked. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Mat 5:40 “And he who wishes to sue you and take away your inner garment, let him have your outer garment as well.
Mat 5:41 “And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.
Mat 5:42 “Give to him who asks of you, and from him who wishes to borrow from you, do not turn away.
Mat 5:43 “You heard that it was said,(1) ‘You shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy.' Footnote: (1)Hate your enemy was “said,” not “written.”
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and persecuting you,
Mat 5:45 so that you become sons of your Father in the heavens. Because He makes His sun rise on the wicked and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.(1) Footnote: (1) Lk. 6:35, Acts 14:16-17.
Mat 5:46 “For if you love those loving you, what reward have you? Are the tax collectors not doing the same too?
Mat 5:47 “And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others? Are the tax collectors not doing so too?
Mat 5:48 “Therefore, be perfect,(1) as your Father in the heavens is perfect. Footnote: (1)Ex. 17:1, Ps. 119:1, 1 John 2:5, Heb. 6:1.

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And for anyone interested in a deeper study of Matthew 5, please see the OJB version below. Pay particular attention to verses 18-20, then re-read the whole chapter in all three versions. You will begin to understand that he is teaching them the Torah of YHWH, not abolishing it. He is teaching them to not practice the RELIGION of the Pharisees/Perushim with all its doctrines and commandments of men. The Pharisees had (and still have) thousands of rules for how to obey Torah. These rules were not given by YHWH, but were man-made. Judaism, Catholicism, and Protestantism are all guilty of this very same thing today. Torah IS the Law of Liberty....Religion is Bondage. Come Out of Her, My People!


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Mat 5:1 When Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach saw the multitudes, he ALAH HAHAR (went up the mountain, SHEMOT 19:3) and when he sat down, his talmidim came to him.
Mat 5:2 Then Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach began to speak, and gave them this torah (teaching), saying,
Mat 5:3 Ashrey ANIYEI HARUACH (Blessed, Happy are the poor in spirit, YESHAYAH 66:2) for theirs is the Malchut HaShomayim.
Mat 5:4 Ashrey are the AVELIM (the ones mourning, YESHAYAH 61:2), for they will be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Ashrey are the ANAVIM (humble, YESHAYAH 29:19; ZEFANYAH 2:3), for YIRESHU ARETZ (they will inherit the land, TEHILLIM 37:11).
Mat 5:6 Ashrey are the ones hungering and thirsting for Tzidkat Hashem (Tzedek Olamim, Everlasting Righteousness, DANIEL 9:24), for they will be satisfied.
Mat 5:7 Ashrey are the merciful, for they will be shown rachamim (mercy).
Mat 5:8 Ashrey are those of LEV TAHOR (pure heart, TEHILLIM 51:12 [10]), for they will see Hashem.
Mat 5:9 Ashrey are the peacemakers, for they will be called bnei haElohim (sons of G-d).
Mat 5:10 Ashrey are the ones being persecuted because of Tzidkat Hashem (righteousness, DANIEL 9:24), for theirs is the Malchut HaShomayim.
Mat 5:11 Ashrey are you when they reproach you and persecute you and speak all kinds of lashon horah against you, speaking sheker (falsehood, lies) because of me [Moshiach].
Mat 5:12 Have simcha (joy) and lev sameach (glad heart), for your sachar (reward) is great in Shomayim, for thus they persecuted the Neviim before you.
Mat 5:13 You are the melach haaretz (salt of the earth), but if the salt becomes tasteless, in what way will it become salty again? It is no longer good for anything, but is thrown out and trampled by men.
Mat 5:14 You are the Ohr HaOlam (the Light of the World). A city lying on a mountaintop cannot be nistar (hidden).
Mat 5:15 No one, after lighting a menorah, places it under a measuring basket, but on the shulchan (table), and it gives ohr (light) to kol anshei habais (all in the house).
Mat 5:16 In like manner, let your light so shine before Bnei Adam, that they may see your maasim tovim (good works) and give kavod (glory) to your Av shbaShomayim (Father in Heaven).
Mat 5:17 Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Neviim. I did not come to abolish but to complete.
Mat 5:18 For, omein, truly I say to you, until Shomayim and haaretz pass away, not one yod, not one tag (ornamental flourish), will pass from the Torah until everything is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Therefore, whoever annuls one of the least of these mitzvot (divine commandments given by Hashem to Moshe Rebbenu) and so teaches Bnei Adam, shall be called katon (least) in the Malchut HaShomayim; but whoever practices and teaches them, this one will be called gadol (great) in the Malchut HaShomayim.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you that unless the Tzedek (Righteousness) of you exceeds that of the Sofrim and Perushim, you will certainly not enter the Malchut HaShomayim.
Mat 5:21 You have heard that it was said to the ancients, LO TIRTZACH (Do not murder, SHEMOT 20:13; DEVARIM 5:17), and every rotzeach (murderer) shall be liable before the Bet Din (Court).
Mat 5:22 But I say to you, that everyone who harbors kaas (anger) against his Ach [b’Moshiach], his chaver, shall be subject to mishpat (judgment); and whoever shall say to his Ach [b’Moshiach], Reyka! (Good for nothing!) will be subject to the Sanhedrin; and whoever shall say Shoteh! (Fool) shall be subject to Eish Gehinnom (Fire of Hell).
Mat 5:23 Therefore, if you bring your korban (sacrifice) to the Mizbeach (altar), and there you remember that your Ach [b’Moshiach] has something against you,
Mat 5:24 leave your korban there before the Mizbeach, and go and first be reconciled to your Ach [b’Moshiach]; and then come offer your korban.
Mat 5:25 Come to terms quickly with your ish riv (opponent in a lawsuit), while you are a fellow-traveler on the derech eretz, lest the ish riv might deliver you to the shofet (judge), and the shofet might deliver you to the shoter (law official), and the shoter might deliver you to the beit hasohar (prison house).
Mat 5:26 For, omein, truly I say to you, you may never come out from there until you repay the last peruta (small coin).
Mat 5:27 You have heard that it was said, LO TINAF (Do not commit adultery, SHEMOT 20:14).
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that everyone looking upon a woman with taavah (lust) for her has already committed niuf (adultery) with her in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if your right eye causes you to commit chet (sin), tear it out and throw it from you, for it is better for you that one of your evarim (members) be lost and not your whole basar (body, flesh) be thrown into Gehinnom.
Mat 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to commit chet, cut it off and throw it from you, for it is better for you that one of your evarim (members) be lost and not that your whole basar may go into Gehinnom.
Mat 5:31 It was also said, Whoever divorces his wife, let him give to her a “get,” a SEFER KERITUT (bill of divorce, DEVARIM 24:1).
Mat 5:32 But I say to you that everyone divorcing his wife, except for the DVAR (indecent thing, DEVARIM 24:1) of zenut (fornication), makes her become a noefet (adulteress), and whoever marries a gerusha (divorcee) commits niuf (adultery).
Mat 5:33 Again, you have heard that it was said to the ancients, You shall not break your nederim (vows), but you shall repay your vows to Hashem.[T.N.See VAYIKRA 19:12; BAMIDBAR 30:3; DEVARIM 23:22]
Mat 5:34 But I say to you, Do not swear shevuot (oaths) at all, neither by Shomayim, for it is the kes malchut of Hashem (throne of G-d),
Mat 5:35 nor by haaretz, for it is the hadom (footstool) of his feet, nor by Yerushalayim, for it is the kiryat melech rav (city of the great king, TEHILLIM 48:3[2]).
Mat 5:36 Neither are you to swear by your rosh, for you are not able to make one hair turn white or black.
Mat 5:37 But let your word be ken, ken (yes, yes) or lo, lo (no, no), but anything beyond this is lashon horah.
Mat 5:38 You have heard that it was said, AYIN TACHAT AYIN, SHEN TACHAT SHEN (An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth SHEMOT 21:24).
Mat 5:39 But I say to you, Do not set yourself against the rasha (evil person), but whoever hits you on your right cheek, turn to him also the other cheek.
Mat 5:40 And the one wishing to sue you and take your tunic, give to him also your kaftan.
Mat 5:41 And whoever will force you to go one mile, go with him two.
Mat 5:42 And the one asking you to give and the one wishing to borrow from you, from these do not turn away.
Mat 5:43 You have heard that it was said, VAHAVTAH LREIACHAH (You shall love your neighbor, VAYIKRA 19:18) and you shall hate your oyev (enemy).
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies, and offer tefillos (prayers) for the ones bringing redifah (persecution) upon you.
Mat 5:45 Do this so that you may become banim of your Av shbaShomayim, for His shemesh (sun) He makes to rise on the ra’im (evil ones) and the tovim (good ones), and He sends His geshem (rain) upon the tzaddikim (righteous ones) and the resha’im (unrighteous ones).
Mat 5:46 For if you have ahavah (love) for the ones who have ahavah for you, what sachar (reward) do you have? Even the mochesim (tax collectors) do that, don’t they?
Mat 5:47 And if you give Drishat Shalom (greetings) only to your Achim [b’Moshiach], what extraordinary thing are you doing? Don’t even the Goyim do the same?
Mat 5:48 Therefore, be shlemim (complete), even as is your Av shbaShomayim.
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Edit: weird - youtube video won't embed

Here's the link - regarding the Marks of YHWH and the Beast and Sabbath keeping.

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***I plan to guard the integrity of this thread and will moderate accordingly. I will delete all posts and or ban posters who try to derail the purpose of this thread.

The purpose is for genuine inquiries to myself and my brethren here on GLP regarding our rejection of the Religious System of Roman Catholicism and all it Protestant Daughters.

If you have heard the call to "Come Out of Her" and want to heed that call, we would love to discuss your questions with you.

If I do not have the answer to your questions, I will invite others to assist you in your search for the truth of the Word of YHWH and the true Testimony of Yahoshua.

Shalom uvRacha,
Deb
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If you truly beLIEve the sabbath is sunday
you're an uneducated biblical tool.


The sabbath is SATURDAY.
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***I plan to guard the integrity of this thread and will moderate accordingly. I will delete all posts and or ban posters who try to derail the purpose of this thread.

The purpose is for genuine inquiries to myself and my brethren here on GLP regarding our rejection of the Religious System of Roman Catholicism and all it Protestant Daughters.

If you have heard the call to "Come Out of Her" and want to heed that call, we would love to discuss your questions with you.

If I do not have the answer to your questions, I will invite others to assist you in your search for the truth of the Word of YHWH and the true Testimony of Yahoshua.

Shalom uvRacha,
Deb



If you truly beLIEve the sabbath is sunday
you're an uneducated biblical tool.


The sabbath is SATURDAY.
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Thanks for stopping by dink. Next time try reading the thread before making such a comment. Then you would have known that I do not think sunday is the sabbath.

I am guessing you just committed a drive by sh*t and split though.
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...

If you have heard the call to "Come Out of Her" and want to heed that call, we would love to discuss your questions with you.

...

Shalom uvRacha,
Deb


Hello Deb,

I was compelled to share the audio message found at the following link.

It begins at 22 minutes in....

[link to www.watchmanscry.com]

I hope someone might find this persons testimony a blessing, as I did.

peace,
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Wow, 576...somehow I missed this a month ago while i was trying to keep up with the thread. I listened to it today and really enjoyed the message. Thank you for sharing it here!

Peace & Blessings,
Deb
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Observe the Sabbath and Gods Holy Days........Reject all the Pagan holidays........and I grew up Catholic!
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Observe the Sabbath and Gods Holy Days........Reject all the Pagan holidays........and I grew up Catholic!
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Can you witness that God has Given you a New Heart of HIS Flesh? If not, what do you expect from keeping the days God Ordained the Jews keep holy?

Do these two verses from Ezekiel 36 depict and Witness what God Has Done In your life:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

You cannot study unto the approval of God.
If you are Truly Born-Again, God Enables ALL for you.
Walk In HIS Statutes (keep The LAW and Receive Witness should you have occasion to consider sinning)
Keep HIS Judgments and Do Them (Know and Do HIS Will)

You are HIS, Born-Again having given HIM dominion and control over every aspect of your life; or you are not.

No in-betweens.
No such thing as a carnal-hearted person Abiding With HIM.

Can't witness HIS Truth, what you have Seen and Know?
If you are Truly Born-Again, maybe you'd best pray on that.
Now is the time to give witness and encouragement to all that might grasp their need to be HIS.

Maranatha!!!

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Nice of Deborah to have removed the banning she put on me last month. Was nice to PM with you. Hope all is well.

God Bless you and yours...
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Nice of Deborah to have removed the banning she put on me last month. Was nice to PM with you. Hope all is well.

God Bless you and yours...
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Hope all is well with you and yours too.


Peace & Blessings
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Nice of Deborah to have removed the banning she put on me last month. Was nice to PM with you. Hope all is well.

God Bless you and yours...
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Why did she ban you?????and why are you back now?

Lots of questions you asked me But she didn't respond to me.
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...

If you have heard the call to "Come Out of Her" and want to heed that call, we would love to discuss your questions with you.

...

Shalom uvRacha,
Deb


Hello Deb,

I was compelled to share the audio message found at the following link.

It begins at 22 minutes in....

[link to www.watchmanscry.com]

I hope someone might find this persons testimony a blessing, as I did.

peace,


Wow, 576...somehow I missed this a month ago while i was trying to keep up with the thread. I listened to it today and really enjoyed the message. Thank you for sharing it here!

Peace & Blessings,
Deb
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hf
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bump


I stand with the OP....
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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Nice of Deborah to have removed the banning she put on me last month. Was nice to PM with you. Hope all is well.

God Bless you and yours...

Why did she ban you?????and why are you back now?

Lots of questions you asked me But she didn't respond to me.
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Well, if you asked lots of questions when the thread was first started, I apologize for not answering. I had a lot going on outside of GLP at the time.

Anyway, since the thread has been revived, would you like to re-ask your questions?

Why was Lester banned? Well, as I mentioned, I had a lot going on outside of GLP, we had some disagreement, I had requests to ban him, I did, I had a change of heart, we PM'd a bit, we play nice now. I think that sums it up. Of course, Lester can give you his answer too.

Peace
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Nice of Deborah to have removed the banning she put on me last month. Was nice to PM with you. Hope all is well.

God Bless you and yours...

Why did she ban you?????and why are you back now?

Lots of questions you asked me But she didn't respond to me.


Well, if you asked lots of questions when the thread was first started, I apologize for not answering. I had a lot going on outside of GLP at the time.

Anyway, since the thread has been revived, would you like to re-ask your questions?

Why was Lester banned? Well, as I mentioned, I had a lot going on outside of GLP, we had some disagreement, I had requests to ban him, I did, I had a change of heart, we PM'd a bit, we play nice now. I think that sums it up. Of course, Lester can give you his answer too.

Peace
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When you refer to "appointed times" please tell me what appointed times means to you......thanks
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Nice of Deborah to have removed the banning she put on me last month. Was nice to PM with you. Hope all is well.

God Bless you and yours...

Why did she ban you?????and why are you back now?

Lots of questions you asked me But she didn't respond to me.


Well, if you asked lots of questions when the thread was first started, I apologize for not answering. I had a lot going on outside of GLP at the time.

Anyway, since the thread has been revived, would you like to re-ask your questions?

Why was Lester banned? Well, as I mentioned, I had a lot going on outside of GLP, we had some disagreement, I had requests to ban him, I did, I had a change of heart, we PM'd a bit, we play nice now. I think that sums it up. Of course, Lester can give you his answer too.

Peace

When you refer to "appointed times" please tell me what appointed times means to you......thanks
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The short answer is in regards to the appointed times listed in Leviticus chapter 23 which are Prophecies of the first and second appearances of Moshiach. The spring appointed times have been fulfilled and the autumn appointed times will soon be.

I encourage everyone to learn about them and understand the relation of each to Moshiach. It's really quite beautiful that YHWH gave these to be celebrated and they are each a witness to the very testimony of Yahuwshuwah Ha'Moshiach!
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Lester, step back. Hold up.....How can one who claims Yeshua but denies a *word* (term) be *anti christ* ?



Deborah is not Born-Again, or she would present witness: what she KNOWS and Has Seen. She has only beliefs.

She is attempting to sway conviction or influence others, but without Knowing Christ and The Father, her perspective (no matter how well-intended), is carnal.


Anti-Christ and false-witness are characteristics of those who either do not KNOW, or do know but intentionally seek to guide others away from God. "Better not to have been born, than to cause one of my little ones to stumble"; isn't that what Jesus Says?

Men who cannot Trust God fully but write/preach/minister based on their own carnal-hearted expectations of what is "right" are well-intended but still living in alienation from God.


Seems right that someone ostensibly "holy" and purveying a good sermon or argument should be taken at face value? If they cannot embrace their identity as Christian?

Who does Jesus mean when HE Witnesses in John 17 that the world will hate us for having Loved HIM? HE means the world will hate Christians, not "followers of Jesus" or "followers of God"...

We are HIS if we are Born-Again. Surrendered and Fully Submitted. HIS. Why did Peter weep if denying HIM three times wasn't a big deal?


Unable to grasp that manifesting your heart Unto The Father is the ONLY THING that mattes in the scope of your life?

Well, soon you will understand why and know the remorse that alienation from Father brings. Yet you will not be lost or condemned so nothing is lost; aside from Knowing The Greatest Experiences life has to offer. I'm sure you don't want to Know HIS Victory and Confidence in your daily awareness....
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Lester, you just do not get it, do u? Christianity is a madeup word---a nickname given to those who followed the way ofYeshua Hamashiah. No follower of Yeshua called themself a christian in the first century. It is a greek term that has been made into a physolophy and sold as religion. Following Yehusa & YHWH has nothing to do with christianity. Yes, there are genuine christians who love him and do serve him, but in ignorance also practice a lot of pagan rituals like christmas, easter, good friday, lent, etc. A careful study of the word would reveal that Yeshua did not come to start a knew religion. Rather he came to straighten out Pharasiac Judaism and fulfill the Torah.

Yeshua NEVER suggested that anyone should break the law and even cautioned against it. So be careful with what you project as 'christian' as much of it is unbiblical and mixed with paganism.

Drop the phylosophical veiws and study the Jewish culture and conept of God and alot of bible stuff will begin to make sense to you..

Just take my word... I did a few years ago and man am I happy I did. I'll tell you, the Jews are very stingy with their knowledge so you've got to seek after knoweledge to find it.
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Nice of Deborah to have removed the banning she put on me last month. Was nice to PM with you. Hope all is well.

God Bless you and yours...

Why did she ban you?????and why are you back now?

Lots of questions you asked me But she didn't respond to me.


Well, if you asked lots of questions when the thread was first started, I apologize for not answering. I had a lot going on outside of GLP at the time.

Anyway, since the thread has been revived, would you like to re-ask your questions?

Why was Lester banned? Well, as I mentioned, I had a lot going on outside of GLP, we had some disagreement, I had requests to ban him, I did, I had a change of heart, we PM'd a bit, we play nice now. I think that sums it up. Of course, Lester can give you his answer too.

Peace

When you refer to "appointed times" please tell me what appointed times means to you......thanks


The short answer is in regards to the appointed times listed in Leviticus chapter 23 which are Prophecies of the first and second appearances of Moshiach. The spring appointed times have been fulfilled and the autumn appointed times will soon be.

I encourage everyone to learn about them and understand the relation of each to Moshiach. It's really quite beautiful that YHWH gave these to be celebrated and they are each a witness to the very testimony of Yahuwshuwah Ha'Moshiach!
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Mr Spice, I haven't seen you back here. I hope the above answered your question. Please let me know if you have others.
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the sabbath is NOT set in stone where you worship on a sat. or sun. the sabbath is observed by the NEW MOON. the first FULL moon of the month. you can't go by the names of the week which are pagan in origin. also a sabbath is observed from sunrise to sunset. NOT sun down to sun down fri. evening. everything you were taught is a LIE!!!
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Please read the Torah. You will find your correction there. I am not interested in arguments in this thread.
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I thought to revisit this thread after a long absence from GLP.

In the time that I have been away, I have been studying Shabbat more closely...and can now say that I agree with this AC that shabbat is connected to the New Moon which determines shabbat, the feasts and the mo'edim of YHWH. However, I disagree with the limitation of sunrise to sunset. I see this as an excuse to work a "graveyard shift" and claim to be keeping shabbat. A day of rest is a day of rest...I cannot see the justification of limiting to only daylight hours the reference of work six days and rest on the 7th day. Nor do I believe that the Full Moon is the Rosh Chodesh or a singular shabbat in a month.

If this AC, or anyone with similar beliefs would like to comment further, I am open to discuss it more.

Shabbat Shalom to all who recognize this as the 1st shabbat of the 2nd moon cycle.

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