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How Did They Train Everyone To Want a Job?

 
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not EVERYONE can be an entrepreneur

every entrepreneur NEEDS people to produce the shit he thinks up.

very high handed attitude you are taking here ET!


sorry, bit of an anger misspell there! chuckle
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why are you angry? because you are one of the people producing the shit?

of course you could have a society of individually motivated people, each producing or providing what is needed/wanted by others, or some simply producing what they themselves need.

how big a society?

depends how many acyually wish to live like this.

maybe after the nwo wipes out 80/90% of us?

rumsfeld can weave baskets to swap with cheneys clay pots or something.
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Working for yourself requires too much effort for most people..



theres much more to it then that..

our education.school system is not even setup to make humans independant or teach them the skills to be independant.
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Then a lot of it is poor parenting. My parents, not the schools, set the example and taught me to be as independent as possible.
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I work for other people, while writing poetry to my heart's content. I don't expect to become wealthy anytime soon, but it's my passion.

Writing is something I HAVE to do, like masturbation. Ideas continue to build until I release all over my poetry blog.
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not EVERYONE can be an entrepreneur

every entrepreneur NEEDS people to produce the shit he thinks up.

very high handed attitude you are taking here ET!


sorry, bit of an anger misspell there! chuckle



why are you angry? because you are one of the people producing the shit?

of course you could have a society of individually motivated people, each producing or providing what is needed/wanted by others, or some simply producing what they themselves need.

how big a society?

depends how many acyually wish to live like this.

maybe after the nwo wipes out 80/90% of us?

rumsfeld can weave baskets to swap with cheneys clay pots or something.
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no, i'm self employed, but come on ffs.

do you think EVERYONE can be an entrepreneur?

it's a fucking ridiculous thought!
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Why are 90% of the people in the West perfectly content to be wage slaves?

What happened to the entrepreneur's spirit?

I've been self employed most of my life. I have taken employee positions a few times, briefly, when times were tight, but I hated every single minute of it.

I can't imagine being happy working for someone else my entire life.
 Quoting: Evil Twin

precisely why ET, after i ret'd from the govt, i created small biz/investments. the man sucks.

drews got it rough - hes lost so many jobs since 08 ive lost track.

i sent him back to college. hes going to work for me now. (god help him chuckle)
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10/09/2010 07:27 PM
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lots of people are under the impression there is a limited number of vacancies in the 'self-employed' category.

although ultimately there will still be those who will have to perform menial tasks if they are capable of nothing more?

a self employed toilet cleaner may write his/her own invoices, and require the services of an accountant, and even earn more than a person 'employed' in a far more glamorous or comfortable profession.

but they still clean toilets.
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Working for yourself requires too much effort for most people..



theres much more to it then that..

our education.school system is not even setup to make humans independant or teach them the skills to be independant.

Then a lot of it is poor parenting. My parents, not the schools, set the example and taught me to be as independent as possible.
 Quoting: Evil Twin


yeah yeah ET

tell me, did you enjoy your last meal out?

did you tip?

this is a fucking bullshit 'look at me aren't I fucking brilliant' thread, and you KNOW it!
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not EVERYONE can be an entrepreneur

every entrepreneur NEEDS people to produce the shit he thinks up.

very high handed attitude you are taking here ET!


sorry, bit of an anger misspell there! chuckle



why are you angry? because you are one of the people producing the shit?

of course you could have a society of individually motivated people, each producing or providing what is needed/wanted by others, or some simply producing what they themselves need.

how big a society?

depends how many acyually wish to live like this.

maybe after the nwo wipes out 80/90% of us?

rumsfeld can weave baskets to swap with cheneys clay pots or something.


no, i'm self employed, but come on ffs.

do you think EVERYONE can be an entrepreneur?

it's a fucking ridiculous thought!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1111128


it is ridiculous to me that you find this a ridiculous thought.

you are evidence that the attempt to convey such an impression is, unfortunately, working on some. somehow.
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Working for yourself requires too much effort for most people..



theres much more to it then that..

our education.school system is not even setup to make humans independant or teach them the skills to be independant.

Then a lot of it is poor parenting. My parents, not the schools, set the example and taught me to be as independent as possible.


yeah yeah ET

tell me, did you enjoy your last meal out?

did you tip?

this is a fucking bullshit 'look at me aren't I fucking brilliant' thread, and you KNOW it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1111128


Why are you being a dick? All he is saying is why are people content on being a slave when they can open up their own business and make good money doing it.

It is not easy but i much rather work for myself then someone else.
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10/09/2010 07:32 PM
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this is a fucking bullshit 'look at me aren't I fucking brilliant' thread, and you KNOW it!
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+1
lol. most people who own their own businesses work harder than the average Joe. hilarious.
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10/09/2010 07:33 PM
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BULLSHIT!

you are actually trying to tell me that EVERY worker on the planet should be self employed?

wtf

what sort of society would THAT lead to?

1rof1

you're deluded. all of you that think like this.

i'm sorry.
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Working for yourself requires too much effort for most people..



theres much more to it then that..

our education.school system is not even setup to make humans independant or teach them the skills to be independant.

Then a lot of it is poor parenting. My parents, not the schools, set the example and taught me to be as independent as possible.


yeah yeah ET

tell me, did you enjoy your last meal out?

did you tip?

this is a fucking bullshit 'look at me aren't I fucking brilliant' thread, and you KNOW it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1111128



but what does he do?

he may be a freelance colonic irrigator?

would you swap to doing something you disliked to feel free of direct authority in the workplace?

maybe you wish to only work 10 hours a week, value time above money, and will actually earn the same or less than a production line worker or postman or garbage collector?

your reaction to someone who chooses to be self employed seems strange.

is it something you wish to do? or maybe have tried to do, and failed?
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we'd all 'much rather work for ourselves' but IT JUST ISN'T FUCKING POSSIBLE!

sorry!

again.
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100+ years ago in the USA, everyone wanted to be self sufficient, whether it was owning your own farm, or a small business. Nobody wanted to depend on someone else to make a living.
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I'm pretty sure we were all brainwashed in public schools,
and by the cutesy TV programming after school.
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remember my thread ET?


For those unemployed/who asked: Ideas to supplement your income or start your own business.
Thread: For those unemployed/who asked: Ideas to supplement your income or start your own business.


ppl CAN start their own biz will little to no startup. they just gotta want to.
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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i AM self employed 981!

and a fucking REALIST!
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we'd all 'much rather work for ourselves' but IT JUST ISN'T FUCKING POSSIBLE!

sorry!

again.
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You are right.
In England it is not possible and has never been possible.
That's why people got on ships and came to America.
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Most people don't need training they simply accept what's there and on't question it.

Then the next layer understand that they will succeed better if they bend to the system and work with it.

The next layer feed off the system and use it to enhance their position acquiring capital and making the capital work.

One final layer remains those who sit stubbornly outside the system, motivated to change it somehow.
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Why are 90% of the people in the West perfectly content to be wage slaves?

What happened to the entrepreneur's spirit?

I've been self employed most of my life. I have taken employee positions a few times, briefly, when times were tight, but I hated every single minute of it.

I can't imagine being happy working for someone else my entire life.
 Quoting: Evil Twin

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BULLSHIT!

you are actually trying to tell me that EVERY worker on the planet should be self employed?

wtf

what sort of society would THAT lead to?

1rof1

you're deluded. all of you that think like this.

i'm sorry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1111128


why dont you think about that for a while.

actually think. or have you been embittered by financial slavery so long you have forgotton the noble art of independant thought.

let me help you.

start with a society of 100 people. you pick th eskill-sets, ages, abilities. (not 100 stephen hawkings)

now expand. and expand some more. getting there?
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Did you like getting an allowance from mommy and daddy. What if they were stingy or didn't have money to give you.

Anyhoo, your own money, your own place, your own car = your own life. It is a right of passage. You kick the birds out of the nest when they are able to fly.

Its the natural progression of things.
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yikes Rite of Passage, right?
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Why are 90% of the people in the West perfectly content to be wage slaves?

What happened to the entrepreneur's spirit?

I've been self employed most of my life. I have taken employee positions a few times, briefly, when times were tight, but I hated every single minute of it.

I can't imagine being happy working for someone else my entire life.
 Quoting: Evil Twin

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BULLSHIT!

you are actually trying to tell me that EVERY worker on the planet should be self employed?

wtf

what sort of society would THAT lead to?

1rof1

you're deluded. all of you that think like this.

i'm sorry.


why dont you think about that for a while.

actually think. or have you been embittered by financial slavery so long you have forgotton the noble art of independant thought.

let me help you.

start with a society of 100 people. you pick th eskill-sets, ages, abilities. (not 100 stephen hawkings)

now expand. and expand some more. getting there?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003981


what??

are you ACTUALLY saying that every single worker in the USA, or the UK, or wherever, can REALISTICALLY be a self employed, successful entrepreneur?

really?

i can expand. really, i can.
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Hunter gatherers worked an average of 14 hours per week.

It takes an external threat to make people work harder. Peer pressure, a real or imagined enemy, natural disaster, or the police to name a few. The desire to not have these things interfere with your happiness, is usually good enough. The threat being more powerful than it's execution.
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we'd all 'much rather work for ourselves' but IT JUST ISN'T FUCKING POSSIBLE!

sorry!

again.


You are right.
In England it is not possible and has never been possible.
That's why people got on ships and came to America.
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england was once known as a nation of shop-keepers, a parody later used: a nation of shelf-fillers.

this attitude to the possibility, or impossibility of freedom from the capatilist junta is very pitiful.
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there are too many people, on this fucking forum, with their heads well and truly stuck RIGHT up their fucking arses, and with that, I bid you good fucking night!
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BULLSHIT!

you are actually trying to tell me that EVERY worker on the planet should be self employed?

wtf

what sort of society would THAT lead to?

1rof1

you're deluded. all of you that think like this.

i'm sorry.


why dont you think about that for a while.

actually think. or have you been embittered by financial slavery so long you have forgotton the noble art of independant thought.

let me help you.

start with a society of 100 people. you pick th eskill-sets, ages, abilities. (not 100 stephen hawkings)

now expand. and expand some more. getting there?


what??

are you ACTUALLY saying that every single worker in the USA, or the UK, or wherever, can REALISTICALLY be a self employed, successful entrepreneur?

really?

i can expand. really, i can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1111128


you use the term entrepreneur. i deduce there fore your vison of self-employment to be one of glrious, quickly gained affluence.


it is attainable, desirable, for every person to work in a capacity that does not have them directly employed by, or subserviant to another.

it is massively unlikely, all the more so for every person who is as blinkered as yourself.
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there are too many people, on this fucking forum, with their heads well and truly stuck RIGHT up their fucking arses, and with that, I bid you good fucking night!
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cheers mate
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yeah yeah ET

tell me, did you enjoy your last meal out?

did you tip?

this is a fucking bullshit 'look at me aren't I fucking brilliant' thread, and you KNOW it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1111128

Yes, I thoroughly enjoyed my last meal out.

It was a little Mexican restaurant, owned by, guess who, an entrepreneur and his wife. I always tip 20%.

This wasn't meant to be a look at me thread, sorry if it comes across that way.

I am genuinely baffled by how our society has so completely changed in so little time.

I get that there are some people who are genuinely happy working for a paycheck and leaving all the other headaches to someone else. There just seems to be a whole lot more of them than there were a few decades ago.





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