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GLP Voice Chat topic "Free Speech" Saturday Night at 11:30 PM GLP time!

 
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GLP Voice Chat topic "Free Speech" Saturday Night at 11:30 PM GLP time!
I will host a discussion on free/freedom of speech Saturday night at 11:30 PM on GLP Voice Chat.
I set it up about a week ago, but I see that some current events are making it even more of hot topic right now.

What I would like to discuss is free speech/free expression and what exactly that is as per the established and non established definition(s). How it pertains to all of us as well as how different groups perceive it regarding them and the various protectionism concepts regarding some of the various groups.

I know this is a vast and virtually limitless topic so I have a loose outline as what I would like to cover...yeah I know that can be viewed as a curtailment of freedom of speech....lol...I knew you thought that...but I think there are some major bullet points which must be covered and in the spirit of the subject?...I have enlisted some members to speak on the topics which they have a far more tangible connection to than I do.

With that being said I made this thread a couple of days prior to the chat so that we can have input from the forum as to subject matter and.... if there is anyone who wishes to pontificate on a specific subject which they consider themselves an intimate part of? Well...if you can mic up in the voice chat and want to be heard, now is your chance to pipe up and I will include you as a key note speaker on that specific portion. Of course anyone and everyone is welcome and encouraged to interject their opinions on every and any subject covered.

So here is my general outline as to this free speech, freedom of speech, freedom of expression Voice chat discussion thus far:

1) What exactly IS free speech as it's defined as a right?

2) Regarding politics, Protests, political activism.

3) Regarding Religion, is religion free expression? Sensitivities from different religions..Christians, Jews, Muslims....
Guest speaker regarding the Jewish issues...Member "GAIA"
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4) Regarding sexual orientation and lifestyle and expression thereof, is this a protected form of expression?
Guest speaker Member "Nikki_LaVey"
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5) Regarding Race and what is considered racist commentary, public or personal and how these views may affect individuals.

6) Commercial venue free speech, is there such a thing? PACS, Lobbies, advertising, corporations as protected entities?

7) Hate crime laws, obscenity laws and laws limiting "free speech" Where to draw the line and should there be a line?

8) Wrap up as to what the discussion has wrought and where do we stand as what we think should be protected, how and what should not be always allowed if anything.


I think if we spend 10 minutes give or take a bit...ya know they may run over if things get hot...lol...on each of these 6 specific topics and about 20 minutes on defining and conclusion we will have a 2 hour discussion with some room to move as we go with the flow....easily.

If anyone wishes to take speaking on a specific topic than let me know...if anyone has something to add they want to hear discussed?...speak up.

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Well,


do you believe we have freedom of speech?


are you for it or against it?


do you practice it?


?
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Well,


do you believe we have freedom of speech?


are you for it or against it?


do you practice it?


?
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You're still here, right weenie? What is your conclusion....
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Well,


do you believe we have freedom of speech?


are you for it or against it?


do you practice it?


?

You're still here, right weenie? What is your conclusion....
 Quoting: SHR



weenie?


How can anyone draw a conclusion where there are unanswered questions?



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How can anyone draw a conclusion where there are unanswered questions?



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How can anyone expect all questions to be answered before they can come to their own conclusion?...everyone would be worm food waiting for all the answers.
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How can anyone draw a conclusion where there are unanswered questions?



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How can anyone expect all questions to be answered before they can come to their own conclusion?...everyone would be worm food waiting for all the answers.
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Why would you assume there was any expectation on my part of any questions being answered by you?


However; I think the questions I posed were very easy.


Are you uneasy answering them?
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Well,


do you believe we have freedom of speech?


are you for it or against it?


do you practice it?


?

You're still here, right weenie? What is your conclusion....
 Quoting: SHR



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Why would you assume there was any expectation on my part of any questions being answered by you?


However; I think the questions I posed were very easy.


Are you uneasy answering them?
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Don't ask any embarrassing questions, you might get banned.
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hay i got banned 3 times for saying that the fs word
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How can anyone draw a conclusion where there are unanswered questions?



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How can anyone expect all questions to be answered before they can come to their own conclusion?...everyone would be worm food waiting for all the answers.




Why would you assume there was any expectation on my part of any questions being answered by you?


However; I think the questions I posed were very easy.


Are you uneasy answering them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1137945

ummmm...because you asked them to me?...unless you were talking to yourself.

I have made my own opinions on free speech plain many times here, but this discussion is not about my opinions alone nor do I intend it to be.


I answered your questions in a manner which I am sure you understand...weenie...LOL! and unlike you?...I'm not going to be baited into some "Did you stop beating your wife?" fallacious premise regarding freedom of speech...sorry bout your luck, but it was a decent try!..;)
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carried out and tasered for expressing himself.
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That would be some crazy ass tech if GLP could do this virtually. Patentable and bankable for sure.






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Well,


do you believe we have freedom of speech?


are you for it or against it?


do you practice it?


?

You're still here, right weenie? What is your conclusion....



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carried out and tasered for expressing himself.
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Well...did he cross a line or not...what do you think?
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hay i got banned 3 times for saying that the fs word
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What the fuck is the "fs word"?...do you come from a land with no vowels?
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That would be some crazy ass tech if GLP could do this virtually. Patentable and bankable for sure.






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We got choo!

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How can anyone draw a conclusion where there are unanswered questions?



popcorn

How can anyone expect all questions to be answered before they can come to their own conclusion?...everyone would be worm food waiting for all the answers.




Why would you assume there was any expectation on my part of any questions being answered by you?


However; I think the questions I posed were very easy.


Are you uneasy answering them?

ummmm...because you asked them to me?...unless you were talking to yourself.

I have made my own opinions on free speech plain many times here, but this discussion is not about my opinions alone nor do I intend it to be.


I answered your questions in a manner which I am sure you understand...weenie...LOL! and unlike you?...I'm not going to be baited into some "Did you stop beating your wife?" fallacious premise regarding freedom of speech...sorry bout your luck, but it was a decent try!..;)
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ummmm....obviously you did not understand the question....I did not expect you to answer...weenie


and since you can not...answer these very easy questions...I can only assume there will be no open discussion....thanks


luck has little to do with logic...
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I answered your questions in a manner which I am sure you understand...weenie...LOL! and unlike you?...I'm not going to be baited into some "Did you stop beating your wife?" fallacious premise regarding freedom of speech...sorry bout your luck, but it was a decent try!..;)



ummmm....obviously you did not understand the question....I did not expect you to answer...weenie


and since you can not...answer these very easy questions...I can only assume there will be no open discussion....thanks


luck has little to do with logic...
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Logic has little to do with luck...and I didn't expect your pussy ass to be there anyway...seems like a valid assumption I made...
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However; I think the questions I posed were very easy.
Are you uneasy answering them?



this discussion is not about my opinions alone nor do I intend it to be.
 Quoting: SHR


I don't do voice chat but I think it's a fair question since your opinion as a mod determines when you punch the enter key. Other than the site disclaimer I've not seen much in the way of concrete forum rules here so that leaves what?
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How can anyone draw a conclusion where there are unanswered questions?



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How can anyone expect all questions to be answered before they can come to their own conclusion?...everyone would be worm food waiting for all the answers.




Why would you assume there was any expectation on my part of any questions being answered by you?


However; I think the questions I posed were very easy.


Are you uneasy answering them?
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you remind me of a three-year old who keeps asking "Why?" because they like the sound of their own voice.
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i have a question they tell me stop and i do so why is phoenix2012 calling me a shit in chat still righ t before he decides to ban me
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Logic has little to do with luck...and I didn't expect your pussy ass to be there anyway...seems like a valid assumption I made...
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just qualifying your intentions...and your intentions seem to have a one way conversation with yourself...again...with some willing listening audience...no open discussion is not my thing...but it looks to me that your pussy ass feathers got ruffled over nothing...LOL


no need to respond SHR
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you remind me of a three-year old who keeps asking "Why?" because they like the sound of their own voice.
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you obviously have never heard SHR speak...on...and...on


LOL
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i have a question they tell me stop and i do so why is phoenix2012 calling me a shit in chat still righ t before he decides to ban me
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Sofia, Phoenix did not ban you. I am sure you might have been kicked. I will check into it.
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However; I think the questions I posed were very easy.
Are you uneasy answering them?



this discussion is not about my opinions alone nor do I intend it to be.


I don't do voice chat but I think it's a fair question since your opinion as a mod determines when you punch the enter key. Other than the site disclaimer I've not seen much in the way of concrete forum rules here so that leaves what?
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There are only 2 rules here...
1) DO NOT BREAK THE FUCKIN LAW.
2) DON'T BE A DICK.

There used to be only one, but being a DICK being inclusive of breaking the fuckin law apparently was not clear enough, so we spawned this into 2 "rules" for clarification.

We don't really like rules here....we expect people to use their brains as to what completely subjective manner we may hit that enter key at any time...if anyone figures out a formula for that?...all is lost for we understand the nature of the beast we dwell in the belly of...

If that makes any sense whatsoever?...then I'm not doin my job properly...

You can tune in or listen to a podcast to hear my views on the subject without violating your "don't do" policy and there is a good chance you will learn some answers...or don't, up to you....
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Interesting, SHR, Did I read about a Court ruling this week in regards to Free Speech? I thought I saw a Pinned thread...on how the court ruled. Should be a great discussion, look forward to hearing from both Gaia and Nikkey....

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Logic has little to do with luck...and I didn't expect your pussy ass to be there anyway...seems like a valid assumption I made...




just qualifying your intentions...and your intentions seem to have a one way conversation with yourself...again...with some willing listening audience...no open discussion is not my thing...but it looks to me that your pussy ass feathers got ruffled over nothing...LOL


no need to respond SHR
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Since open discussion is not your thing, then you probably wouldn't care for it...as I said....I didn't expect you'd participate.
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What I would like to discuss is free speech/free expression and what exactly that is as per the established and non established definition(s). How it pertains to all of us as well as how different groups perceive it regarding them and the various protectionism concepts regarding some of the various groups.

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wonderful wonderful topic....

It is what I appreciate most about GLP....

GLP is a free speech haven....THANK YOU
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There are only 2 rules here...
1) DO NOT BREAK THE FUCKIN LAW.
2) DON'T BE A DICK.

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Nixon didn't have a chance....
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Re: GLP Voice Chat topic "Free Speech" Saturday Night at 11:30 PM GLP time!
Interesting, SHR, Did I read about a Court ruling this week in regards to Free Speech? I thought I saw a Pinned thread...on how the court ruled. Should be a great discussion, look forward to hearing from both Gaia and Nikkey....

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There has been much going on regarding this topic lately, some has been pretty main stream, some has not. Hopefully we will get some more speakers too, but both GAIA and Nikey will be great I am sure and as much contraversy as they both generate around here in their posts?...I'm sure there will be many people who want to hear and debate them on the fast personal level which IS voice chat...same goes for me...come talk to me...it's as close and as real as "face to face" as it gets.
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i have a question they tell me stop and i do so why is phoenix2012 calling me a shit in chat still righ t before he decides to ban me


Sofia, Phoenix did not ban you. I am sure you might have been kicked. I will check into it.
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him and tooooo many others were insulting me for no reason other than sticking up for only me!

tell me is it because she was playing victim...i don't get it why every time someone messes with me and once i say something back all hell breaks loose and i get banned!

and to all my glp haters remember when you attack me for no apparent reason the tables will turn...
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i have a question they tell me stop and i do so why is phoenix2012 calling me a shit in chat still righ t before he decides to ban me


Sofia, Phoenix did not ban you. I am sure you might have been kicked. I will check into it.



him and tooooo many others were insulting me for no reason other than sticking up for only me!

tell me is it because she was playing victim...i don't get it why every time someone messes with me and once i say something back all hell breaks loose and i get banned!

and to all my glp haters remember when you attack me for no apparent reason the tables will turn...
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Yeah that all sounds fuckin mahveluss...why don't you straighten your shit out with the people involved...just a suggestion on my part there.....
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Sounds great!
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