Panic Attacks - or what? Any ideas?

Biggest thing, is to get a correct diagnoses before trying any natural remedy.

Has the girl recently started menstrating? Hormonal changes can cause many disorders.

You just read my mind....I was just thinking that with her age, and the extreme hormone fluxuations, could it involve the thyroid? Thanks!

I was thinking that too. And you're right....diagnose BEFORE treating!

When I had these panic attacks I finally came to the conclusion the whole thing was in my own head and based on a subconscious fear of death suddenly revealing itself consciously. This causes the typical fight or flight chemical hormone reaction in the body without there being a clear danger present, adrenaline flows for no reason.

You could be right. She's at that age where emotions are out of control, etc. That's a tiny thought that is in the back of my mind about this. But, when it is happening, I know my friend feels utterly helpless and shocked. So, I'm not going to mention that until he's had her tested for every other possible thing. Thanks!

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Could she be sneaking diet pills?

Sounds like a reaction to caffeine.

Well, my friend said that when these attacks happen - as soon as she calms down, her head feels hot as a furnace.

I know that the "fight or flight" hormones can cause as many problems as they can help a person. Is that a medical fact, that panic attacks are caused by this hormone?

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has your friend been able to capture these episodes on video? If not she should keep a cam handy, this will make things easier for the doctor to discern

I don't know....I'll (gently) ask my friend....:)

That's not a bad idea....however, he has lately been having to hold her down, (with the help of bystanders), to keep her from hurting hurself, when they occur....hard to keep a cool head in that scenario.

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whew, ya definitely try to get them captured. if she is having to be held down, most probably is a seizure but its best to just let it finish and not hold her down.

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I had the same problem.

Asthma which led to "anxiety attacks" which led to full blown seizure type episodes.

I was exactly how you described the girl. Rolling around in pain.

For years I was on all sorts of anxiety meds. Nothing really helping.


I started doing allergy elimination diets.

When I tried eliminating MSG everything stopped.

No more asthma no more "panic attacks".

I have never felt better.

Could be anything, but worth a shot. Hope she gets better : (

Thank you all for your help and good advice......will google the ideas you've suggested, buy/borrow the books you recommended, etc. I appreciate all of your input! :)

OP, with them starting out 'like an asthma attack', I am wondering if it could be laryngeal spasms. This is how my panic attacks begin. I feel my throat tighten, and it feels like I cannot get air. My breathing is audible and has the sound of someone trying to breath through an attack, I literally have to fight to breathe. Its terrible.

The good news is, it is for the most part harmless. I did a lot of research on this after I discovered that it was happening to me. The worst that happens is the person passes out, and when they do, the spasms stop.

Having felt them before, I can understand why that feeling would cause a person to get on the ground, screaming and clawing. The feeling of not being able to breathe is terrifying.

Best of luck my friend!

Well, sometimes she is thrashing around on concrete..it's not that they pin her down, just try to keep her limbs and head from being hurt....

Thanks for the link...will check it out!

Thank you! I'll look into the possible allergy with my friend.

Yeah, when I went to the E.R. they immiediately checked my thyroid.

Wow - sounds kind of similar. I will investigate that....thank you!

understand. most tonic clonics start with a scream as air is being pushed from the longs. body becomes rigid and spasms or convulsions begin. Does she turn blue? Bite her tongue? urinate on herself?

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She is magnesium deficient---she should start taking 500-800 mg magnesium per day for a couple months, then about 500 mg per day after that......
Friend of mine had severe panic attacks,,,,after a few months they were gone.....
gotta' give it time though....

Alot of good advice people've been giving! Nice to see.

I'd check into a number of things, too--is she keeping hydrated sufficiently? Woo-woo, BUT, any indicators of her being an "alien abductee"? Is she suffering from agoraphobia? Are the seizures always out-of-doors? If so, this might be an indicator of agoraphobia. Lastly---does she have any old mercury-style fillings?

Good luck to her.

Honestly the first thing that came to mind is this may have started as a panic attack but she is using it to get attention or deflect from having to do something she doesn't want to do. I hope I am wrong but that's my gut feeling.

No - none of that....however, as I said, they have gotten progressively worse so, that my yet come.

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OP you could be describing my own daughter when she was 16. She would lay on the floor in the fetal position, wailing hysterically, and crying that she didn't want to live anymore. This was a beautiful, healthy, intelligent girl just a month before. I had to quit my job for fear of leaving her alone, I feared she was suicidal. Up till then an honor student, in the band, lots of friends, not into drugs or drinking, etc.

We went the doctor route and they claimed lots of the things people have suggested here: seizures, attention-seeking, food allergies, etc. All they could do was put her on Klonopin and Valium which knocked her out completely. She missed an entire semester of her junior year of high school. I was a total wreck.

Finally, in desperation I did research (this was 20 years ago, before computers in the home) and found the book "Toxic Metal Syndrome."

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My daughter's symptoms came on suddenly about 10 days after some major dental work. On further research, I found she had attended an elementary school that was close to a toxic waste dump and our house at that time used well water.

I found an alternative MD an hour's drive away who documented her on video; he tested and found her positive for 11 heavy metals. She spent 2 months going for intravenous EDTA chelation 3x a week and very very slowly got better. She was down to skin and bones, she frequently passed out during treatment, her blood pressure was dangerously low. But she made it. They supplemented the IVs with vitamin B complex, vitamin C and other things; it's best to do this through an MD. After that we took her to a wholistic dentist who removed all her amalgam fillings using a special protocol. It took a total of 6 months but she slowly came back to us. She is now happily married, a young mother, successful career woman with a Bachelor's degree. Back when she was going through this I seriously thought she was going to die.

I get a little pissy about people who quickly say "it's drugs" or "she's just looking for attention." Anyone who has witnessed something like this, and who knows their own child, will know if this is something serious or not.

Sadly, I tried to get the word out and wrote the local papers, wrote my elected officials, wrote to the schools. What happened? Nothing except the doctor got shut down for using unorthodox protocols and last I heard, he (quietly) moved to another state.

Don't give up, don't listen to all the so-called experts, have your friend listen to her own heart and do her own research because she knows her own child better than anyone else.

Godspeed to you and them.