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Well, I have PLENTY of debt for sale... CHEAP
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The Fed's big gamble: Here's what could go wrong

yorkie 3 minutes ago

this is just the beginning. Does the name Robert Mugabe mean anything to you? It should.[color=red] The United States is now instituting policies that Mugabe instituted in Zimbabwe. If you don't know what happened in Zimbabwe when Mugabe began monetizing debt, by all means do the the research yourself and find out exactly what occurred.

the Fed is a semi private central bank that illegally creates fiat currency that has no backing other than the coercive power of government. The Federal Reserve is also no more a Federal agency than Federal Express would be considered.

If you go to the Fed's own website, whether it be the Fed in Atlanta, New York, San Francisco or Dallas..it says right on its' monogram..Federal Reserve Bank Incorporated..established May 18, 1914. I don't know about you, but I don't know of any government agency that is incorporated.

The Fed is in place so the government can borrow an unlimited amount of money at any time to finance its reckless spending projects. Whether they be a war, social programs or bailouts like we witnessed in 2008. The government likes the fed because they can then spend far more than they take in from taxes on various programs that we can't afford as a country or on the expansion of the American Empire under the guise of spreading freedom and democracy around the globe. By being in place, we the people, then pay back for their reckless spending, thru the hidden tax of inflation. If you learn nothing else, understand that inflation is, in fact, a tax!

If the Fed did not exist. And the congress can end the fed at any time, they created it by passing the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. Then the government would have to "ask" the american people to pay for any project in the form of direct taxes. A certain amount per family per year. We also would no longer have to pay a semi private company interest in order to finance our own government.

I sincerely hope americans wake up and wake up soon. Unfortunately, time is running

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yorkie 3 minutes ago

this is just the beginning. Does the name Robert Mugabe mean anything to you? It should.[color=red] The United States is now instituting policies that Mugabe instituted in Zimbabwe. If you don't know what happened in Zimbabwe when Mugabe began monetizing debt, by all means do the the research yourself and find out exactly what occurred.

the Fed is a semi private central bank that illegally creates fiat currency that has no backing other than the coercive power of government. The Federal Reserve is also no more a Federal agency than Federal Express would be considered.

If you go to the Fed's own website, whether it be the Fed in Atlanta, New York, San Francisco or Dallas..it says right on its' monogram..Federal Reserve Bank Incorporated..established May 18, 1914. I don't know about you, but I don't know of any government agency that is incorporated.

The Fed is in place so the government can borrow an unlimited amount of money at any time to finance its reckless spending projects. Whether they be a war, social programs or bailouts like we witnessed in 2008. The government likes the fed because they can then spend far more than they take in from taxes on various programs that we can't afford as a country or on the expansion of the American Empire under the guise of spreading freedom and democracy around the globe. By being in place, we the people, then pay back for their reckless spending, thru the hidden tax of inflation. If you learn nothing else, understand that inflation is, in fact, a tax!

If the Fed did not exist. And the congress can end the fed at any time, they created it by passing the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. Then the government would have to "ask" the american people to pay for any project in the form of direct taxes. A certain amount per family per year. We also would no longer have to pay a semi private company interest in order to finance our own government.

I sincerely hope americans wake up and wake up soon. Unfortunately, time is running
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Yes I think our time is done. I am betting it will be about a trillion at 100 billion a month or more. The only reason I say this is cause yahoo has been pretty right here lately.
Not cause they are a great news site, but because they are controlled by the TPTB. Hope everyone has prepared.
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Well, I have PLENTY of debt for sale... CHEAP
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thats the problem ... we got to much debt and its overwhelming ... no one wants to buy it! that includes the bond brokers.

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They must have a lot of collateral.
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They must have a lot of collateral.
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yes they do...the tapped out tax payers of the U.S.
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50 cents to the dollah or wat?
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Oh joy!

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They must have a lot of collateral.


yes they do...the tapped out tax payers of the U.S.
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They're such generous folk.
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2:15 PM EDT watch closely!
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AWESOME BY FROM THE FED'S

The Fed is buying Bonds, US Government Bonds. It doesn't get any safer.

The interest return isn't much, but any profit earned is a profit saved.

And the thing of beauty is that at the end of the bond term the Feds get back the capital they used to purchase the bonds, so its really not a debt, its more like an asset.

The Federal Reserve turns National debts into National assets.

GO USA!

hf
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yorkie 3 minutes ago

this is just the beginning. Does the name Robert Mugabe mean anything to you? It should.[color=red] The United States is now instituting policies that Mugabe instituted in Zimbabwe. If you don't know what happened in Zimbabwe when Mugabe began monetizing debt, by all means do the the research yourself and find out exactly what occurred.

the Fed is a semi private central bank that illegally creates fiat currency that has no backing other than the coercive power of government. The Federal Reserve is also no more a Federal agency than Federal Express would be considered.....


The Fed is in place so the government can borrow an unlimited amount of money at any time to finance its reckless spending projects. Whether they be a war, social programs or bailouts like we witnessed in 2008. The government likes the fed because they can then spend far more than they take in from taxes on various programs that we can't afford as a country or on the expansion of the American Empire under the guise of spreading freedom and democracy around the globe. By being in place, we the people, then pay back for their reckless spending, thru the hidden tax of inflation. If you learn nothing else, understand that inflation is, in fact, a tax!

If the Fed did not exist. And the congress can end the fed at any time, they created it by passing the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. Then the government would have to "ask" the american people to pay for any project in the form of direct taxes. A certain amount per family per year. We also would no longer have to pay a semi private company interest in order to finance our own government.

I sincerely hope americans wake up and wake up soon. Unfortunately, time is running
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The Federal Reserve is selling the future of our grandkids to pay for today's ponzi scheme.
END THE FED!!!
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JoeNeubarth shut the fuck up.
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Well, I have PLENTY of debt for sale... CHEAP


thats the problem ... we got to much debt and its overwhelming ... no one wants to buy it! that includes the bond brokers.

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There is always a market for Bonds and Notes. It is called the FED. That is the reason why Congress created the FED.
If we did not have it, the interest rate would be forced up by the law of supply and demand. If there was little demand, then the interest rate to sell the bond would soar. Since the FED is there to buy, the interest rate can be held to a realistic value. God Bless the FED.
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Great investment, the Fed's are gonna make a small profit (interest) and the White House could use that profit to help pay for Public programs.

peace
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It's like the slaves are lending money to the fed so that they can buy their offspring for the next few generations.

Or am I missing something?
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JoeNeubarth shut the fuck up.
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Typical stupid shit stuff from a nincompoop. Hereditary insanity run in your family?
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It's like the slaves are lending money to the fed so that they can buy their offspring for the next few generations.

Or am I missing something?
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You do not have a clue.
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It's like the slaves are lending money to the fed so that they can buy their offspring for the next few generations.

Or am I missing something?

You do not have a clue.
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Thanks for the insightful response.

hf
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Well, I have PLENTY of debt for sale... CHEAP


thats the problem ... we got to much debt and its overwhelming ... no one wants to buy it! that includes the bond brokers.

[link to www.321gold.com] < its going down and is no accident...just a wreck

There is always a market for Bonds and Notes. It is called the FED. That is the reason why Congress created the FED.
If we did not have it, the interest rate would be forced up by the law of supply and demand. If there was little demand, then the interest rate to sell the bond would soar. Since the FED is there to buy, the interest rate can be held to a realistic value. God Bless the FED.
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realistic value? This would be about 4x the current rates... The FED is creating a dreamland since decades and awakening will be downright tough.
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I am watching the dollar, oil, gold and silver.

Here is some links for the dollar.
Anyone got better ones please post.

3Day
[link to quotes.ino.com]

1Day
[link to quotes.ino.com]

Be interesting to watch the next few days after the fed Announcement
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Great investment, the Fed's are gonna make a small profit (interest) and the White House could use that profit to help pay for Public programs.

peace
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You are sort of on track.

The FED takes the interest the the US Government pays on the bonds and notes and deposits it in the US Treasury. We are free next month to use it again to pay that month's interest.

Thus, you see, we really do not pay interest on the Bonds and Notes when the FED owns them. Best damn system in the world.
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Well, I have PLENTY of debt for sale... CHEAP


thats the problem ... we got to much debt and its overwhelming ... no one wants to buy it! that includes the bond brokers.

[link to www.321gold.com] < its going down and is no accident...just a wreck
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PEOPLE READ THIS ARTICLE AT THE LINK ITS AWESOME AND WAS POSTED IN 2009 ABOUT WHAT THE BOND TRADERS TOLD THE BIG BOYS WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR TRIPLE RATED TOILET PAPER!
PRESS THE GREEN BUTTON(PRINT PRESS) AND WE WILL TELL YOU WHEN TO STOP!!!!!!! [link to www.321gold.com] < A MUST READ

here is a tidbit
7. What's happening in bond land? The latest US govt bond auction was for $110 billion. Two years ago the average monthly bond auction total was $5 billion, $10 billion, numbers like that. The US govt finances its debt with bonds. A $2 trillion deficit means $2 trillion in new bonds needs to be issued. Approx. $200 billion a month.

8. I want to take you inside the mind of a primary dealer. These are the approx. 20 dealers that have contracts with the US govt to market their bonds. The way the deal works in the govt's mind is: "You buy our bonds and sell them. You can short t-bonds going into the auction and bag a nice profit for yourself. But if you don't sell the bonds to your clients, guess who owns them? You do! If you don't like it, no more primary dealing for you, got it? And maybe we aren't so keen to hand over anymore bailout money or allow fraud accounting of your OTC derivatives. So play ball, or we take you out."

9. I spent two hours yesterday meeting in person with a very good friend of mine who is retired as the largest govt bond trader in Canada for one of the primary dealers. He still manages $1.5 billion as a side gig. His minimum trade is $5 million. He looks like a pitbull and uses 4 letter words like Mr. Bernanke uses a greenback photocopier. He carefully detailed to me the horrors that began roaring thru the bond market, horrors that are growing, since the shocking $110 billion US govt bond auction was announced for this week.

10. The bottom line is: There isn't enough money to soak up all the govt paper screaming down the pipe. The $300 billion in total that Mr. Bernanke committed to buy the bonds over multiple auctions, is a drop in the bucket. It's not enough.

PEOPLE READ THIS ARTICLE AT THE LINK ITS AWESOME AND WAS POSTED IN 2009 ABOUT WHAT THE BOND TRADERS TOLD THE BIG BOYS WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR TRIPLE RATED TOILET PAPER!
PRESS THE GREEN BUTTON(PRINT PRESS) AND WE WILL TELL YOU WHEN TO STOP!!!!!!! [link to www.321gold.com] < A MUST READ..............................
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There is always a market for Bonds and Notes. It is called the FED. That is the reason why Congress created the FED.
If we did not have it, the interest rate would be forced up by the law of supply and demand. If there was little demand, then the interest rate to sell the bond would soar. Since the FED is there to buy, the interest rate can be held to a realistic value. God Bless the FED.

realistic value? This would be about 4x the current rates... The FED is creating a dreamland since decades and awakening will be downright tough.
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Remember when the FED owns the notes and bonds, we effectively do not pay interest. The FED will be buying the paper from Japan and China, and that decreases our financial support to those two countries. That is right, we have been financially supporting them for a great many years now. So now, our monstrous economy has decided to cut back on support for the lesser countries out there. That is a good thing.
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Well, I have PLENTY of debt for sale... CHEAP


thats the problem ... we got to much debt and its overwhelming ... no one wants to buy it! that includes the bond brokers.

[link to www.321gold.com] < its going down and is no accident...just a wreck


PEOPLE READ THIS ARTICLE AT THE LINK ITS AWESOME AND WAS POSTED IN 2009 ABOUT WHAT THE BOND TRADERS TOLD THE BIG BOYS WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR TRIPLE RATED TOILET PAPER!
PRESS THE GREEN BUTTON(PRINT PRESS) AND WE WILL TELL YOU WHEN TO STOP!!!!!!! [link to www.321gold.com] < A MUST READ

here is a tidbit
7. What's happening in bond land? The latest US govt bond auction was for $110 billion. Two years ago the average monthly bond auction total was $5 billion, $10 billion, numbers like that. The US govt finances its debt with bonds. A $2 trillion deficit means $2 trillion in new bonds needs to be issued. Approx. $200 billion a month.

8. I want to take you inside the mind of a primary dealer. These are the approx. 20 dealers that have contracts with the US govt to market their bonds. The way the deal works in the govt's mind is: "You buy our bonds and sell them. You can short t-bonds going into the auction and bag a nice profit for yourself. But if you don't sell the bonds to your clients, guess who owns them? You do! If you don't like it, no more primary dealing for you, got it? And maybe we aren't so keen to hand over anymore bailout money or allow fraud accounting of your OTC derivatives. So play ball, or we take you out."

9. I spent two hours yesterday meeting in person with a very good friend of mine who is retired as the largest govt bond trader in Canada for one of the primary dealers. He still manages $1.5 billion as a side gig. His minimum trade is $5 million. He looks like a pitbull and uses 4 letter words like Mr. Bernanke uses a greenback photocopier. He carefully detailed to me the horrors that began roaring thru the bond market, horrors that are growing, since the shocking $110 billion US govt bond auction was announced for this week.

10. The bottom line is: There isn't enough money to soak up all the govt paper screaming down the pipe. The $300 billion in total that Mr. Bernanke committed to buy the bonds over multiple auctions, is a drop in the bucket. It's not enough.

PEOPLE READ THIS ARTICLE AT THE LINK ITS AWESOME AND WAS POSTED IN 2009 ABOUT WHAT THE BOND TRADERS TOLD THE BIG BOYS WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR TRIPLE RATED TOILET PAPER!
PRESS THE GREEN BUTTON(PRINT PRESS) AND WE WILL TELL YOU WHEN TO STOP!!!!!!! [link to www.321gold.com] < A MUST READ..............................
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Again, gross stupidity! Damn, why don't you people read what the FED does for the United States instead of making all this crazy shit up? I mean, talk about gross stupidity to the max! Look at international economics to understand why the FED was the greatest thing since Chocolate Chip Ice Cream.
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The issue is that when (if) QE ever ends, the rush away from even the 5 year spot on the curve will result in a major shift in maturity lower, and the Treasury will have no choice but to refinance rolling debt with ultra-short term debt, until the entire curve is grossly skewed toward Bill holdings in an attempt to avoid an interest payment explosion.
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neubarth is an obvious jew that works at the fed
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Sell it to China lol yeahsure
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Why are central banks such as the fed needed again?
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Very simply, the FED is not like most central banks. Still there is the need to finance economic corrective matters to prevent Depressions in a country. The FED was born because the US was incapable of dealing with Depressions. Now that we have the FED independent of the US government (but pledged to support same), the US can deal with strong negative economic moves. It took the US a while to learn how to use the tools that the creation of the FED gave us, but now it appears to be working. We have managed to hold off the potentially greatest economic Depression in world history in the past three years because of FED action.

God Bless Bernanke!

The system works. It is not absolutely perfect, but it sure beats what we had before the FED was created just prior to WWI. Because of the FED we were able to finance our war expenditures in that war.

God bless the FED.

The pathological liars on this forum will repeatedly lie and say the FED prints money. It does not. The Treasury does. The Treasury also prints the Bonds and short term Notes that the government uses to fund deficit spending.

The FED buys those notes and bonds to keep the interest rate on them low. Any Note or Bond that the FED buys is essentially interest free to the US government. That is a damn good deal. DAMN GOOD!

How much money can the US government borrow if it is interest free borrowing??????

That is right. The amount is unlimited.

How soon do we have to pay the money back if we borrow from the FED?????

That is right, we really never have to pay it back if we borrow interest free from the FED. We can just roll over the debt.

And to think, there are stupid shits like RON PAUL who want to do away with the FED. That asshole is insane.

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