Debunking Bob Lazar ?

Yes, he is alive and well and still in Nevada I
think. He runs his own business from his house,
and has a new invention. Something about a new
power source engine or something. Anyway, he seems
to be doing well.

yup

this bloke that had security clearence at americas most top secret base , worked on ufos and broke every law in the official secrets act to show some friends of his ufo´s doing test runs and then babbles to the press

he wouldnt be wandering around now, he would be serving a few life sentences in millitary prison

Lazar´s straightforward explanations of his experiences, his skepticism of other UFO claims and his early willingness to submit to hypnosis and a polygraph test remain intriguing.

He was inside area 51. What he saw?

What is the idea of this new thread?

Anyway I will make my point again.

You have given me a secondary source rather than a primary source. This is not scientific OP.

he passed the lie detector tests as well!!!

Bob is currently trying to stay under the radar.
He no longer gives interviews. He did reveal some
highly controversial information, but had he been
imprisoned wouldn´t that add credibility to his
story? As it is, they just answer any questions
with "he is just another UFO nut, whacko, that
we no nothing about".

I have been to Area 51, have you? I think not. I can attest to the fact that large sections of the mountains have been excavated there. Mountains, miles long, have been built under. Lazar worked there, his W-4 tax form proves he did, and it is not fake.

The simplest theory to explain the Lazar story is that it is completely false and that he concocted it initally to fool John Lear, who had been telling extravagant aliens-at-Area-51 stories for a couple of years before Lazar arrived.

5745.

Then look for your self.

All I can say is, why are all records of his
schooling expunged? What he is working on now,
proves to me that he definitely has a scientific
background.

have you noticed that all the "in the know" people who have seen ufos/contact ets/flew in ufos etc all tell a different story ?

now maybe just maybe 1 of them is telling the truth but the chances are that if the rest of the ufo bandwagon crowd are full of shit then they all are full of shit

You gutless wonder ´Real Hazzard´. You are no scientist.

Is there a scientist here or not?

If not I take my avatar away from this forum.

The following is the transcript of a recorded telephone interview that took place on May 25, 1996, between Mark Farmer (MF) and an individual who knew Robert Lazar when he was at Los Alamos, New Mexico.

[link to www.serve.com]

"Is there a scientist here or not?
If not I take my avatar away from this forum."

Bye Bye.




Here is a good link for the rest of you.

[link to www.serve.com]

Someone who ´knew Bob Lazar´ is not a primary source.

Where is your primary source material?

Hahaha! I didn´t get from the initial post that
this was to be a "scientific discussion". Had it
been, I wouldn´t be here. Just told the recent
info I had about the man.

5745. whats with the crying?

Do I work for you or something?

Look for your self,or drop the attitude.

cosmic traveller - how can you have a scientific discussion about a man and a story ?

you either believe him or you dont

Check this out.

"As a particle physicist, I must say that I have NO IDEA what he is talking about here. Surmising particles that don´t exist?

I can´t think of a single particle whose existence has been postulated as a result of gravitational theories. Perhaps the graviton is one, but that’s about it."


[link to www.serve.com]

I think Cosmic Traveller is gone. Never mind.

Maybe he was asking the OP to judge what Lazar himself says.

I think it is telling that you debunkin are afraid to address the issues here.

1) Area 51 exist, an existance that the US government claimed for many year was false. Yet, there it is as is S4.

2) Official Tax records of Lazar"s employment.

1502.

Im not disputing any of that.

CHECK THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST.BRITS DISPLAYED ANTI GRAVITY SYSTEM BASED ON THEORIES HE SPOKE ABOUT.


::Yes, he is alive and well and still in Nevada I
think. ::
he is residing and working New Mexico


Bob Lazar: The Man Behind Element 115
May 23, 2005, 04:46 PM Email to a Friend Printer Friendly Version

Bob Lazar at his home in New Mexico


Also on klastv.com


How does this sound -- a conversion kit that would allow your car to run on clean, plentiful hydrogen? It´s in the works in New Mexico, and the name of the guy who is building it may ring a bell. He´s Bob Lazar, and 16 years ago he told the I-Team´s George Knapp about Area 51 and said scientists there were studying UFOs. He dropped out of sight, but George caught up with him.

As a teenager, Bob Lazar built a jet-powered bicycle, then a jet Honda, then a jet dragster. These day´s he´s focused on a different propulsion system. Bob Lazar, former government scientist, said, "Every vehicle we have here is powered by hydrogen."

At his new home in rural New Mexico, Lazar has been working on a conversion kit that will turn any car into a hydrogen hybrid. His two vehicles have already been converted and can travel up to 450 miles on hydrogen, then switch automatically back to gasoline. Lazar wants to take it a step further.

Lazar said, "Every major car company is working on a hydrogen system, but the only difference is, they want to sell you a new hydrogen car and sell you hydrogen gas at hydrogen gas stations. Basically, we´re making a conversion kit you can use in your own car and instead of buying hydrogen from someone else, you make it."

He makes hydrogen using water and a solar powered generator. But again, with a Lazar twist. "It´s the only particle accelerator on the block, I guarantee ya."

The small lab behind his home has a 30-foot long particle accelerator he built from scratch. He uses it to produce metal hydrides, which absorb hydrogen gas like a sponge and make it much safer to use as a fuel.

Lazar says, "You can do that with ordinary metal hydrides but we found a way to manipulate the atomic structure to change things. It´s worked fantastically."

George Knapp teases, "It almost sounds like you´re a real scientist."

Lazar replies, "That´s what they tell me."

It´s an inside joke based on the ridicule Lazar has faced ever since he went public in 1989 with his claims that he worked on flying saucers in the Nevada desert. The military refused to answer any questions about Lazar or his claims, nor could we verify much of anything about his life.

Lazar told us he previously worked at Los Alamos National Lab. The lab repeatedly denied it, even after we found Lazar´s name in the lab phone book. His critics say that since he can´t prove he ever earned a college degree, he can´t be a real scientist, even if he can build jet engines, hydrogen systems and particle accelerators.

Is there a way to prove any part of his story? Maybe. In 1989, Lazar claimed the ET saucers he worked on could produce their own gravity. This propulsion was made possible by a superheavy substance Lazar called Element 115. What is the problem with this story? Element 115 did not exist in 1989. Now, however, it does.

Scientists at the Lawrence Livermore Lab created a miniscule amount of 115 last year. A profound development, but the material decayed almost instantly. So where did the government get 500 pounds of the stuff, which is what Lazar claimed long ago?

Lazar says, "It has to come from some place where it´s natural, like from a super nova."

In other words, it comes from a solar system other than ours. Lazar´s critics say the fact that 115 as created in a lab is unstable and fleeting proves Lazar is a liar. Lazar says the first batch was only a starting point and that he will be proven right in the long run.

"I´d like to see them continue to work and produce different isotopes of 115 because they´re gonna come up with a handful of different varieties and they´re gonna come up with a stable isotope, and that´s what we´re interested," he countered.

By no means does he dwell on being proven right. He and his wife have left the UFO crowd far behind and could care less, they say. Lazar stands by his original story, but says, "I can´t say I would do it again. I would probably keep my mouth shut this time."

George Knapp inquired, "But you must get a twinge about the program."

Lazar said, "Oh sure. I mean, who wouldn´t like to go back and see what they´re doing now? But on the other hand, I´d rather be here."

Earlier this year, British scientists say they demonstrated an anti-gravity system that appears to be based on the theories revealed years ago by Lazar. Some scientists say it´s proof that what Lazar said about Element 115 is true after all.

The I-Team will let you know how it comes out.

He is essentially claiming that the nuclear force of element 115 extends beyond the limits of the "115-ium" atom.

(I´m tempted to call it Lazarium...and somewhat surprised that he doesn´t!!)

This is simply not possible, given the known properties of the nuclear force. The past 50 years of probing the nucleus have taught us that the range of the nuclear force is VERY short, and protons and neutrons only feel the pull of their nearest neighbors in a nucleus.

Because of this fact, the nuclear force extends out to about the same distance away from a nucleus NO MATTER HOW MASSIVE THE NUCLEUS IS. This fact is fundamental to the science of nuclear physics.


The presentation of the scenario by Lazar is troubling from a scientific standpoint.

Mr. Lazar on many occasions demonstrates an obvious lack of understanding of current physical theories. On no occasion does he acknowledge that his scenario violates physical laws as we understand them, and on no occasion does he offer up any hints of new theories which would make his mechanism possible.

Mr. Lazar has a propensity for re-defining scientific terms, and using scientific language in a confusing and careless way.

For these reasons, I don’t feel that Lazar´s pseudo-scientific ramblings are really worthy of any kind of serious consideration.

"On no occasion does he acknowledge that his scenario violates physical laws as we understand them"

So? Why should it matter that he did not bring up the obvious. Just because the sky is usually blue, do we bring up that fact when we orate about a beautiful sunset?

", and on no occasion does he offer up any hints of new theories which would make his mechanism possible."

What if he has plans to patent an application of this phenomenon? Why should offer up something he may not have even contemplated? I mean really, do you cover every base?

Even Stanton Friedman (an ardent UFO supporter) thinks that Bob Lazar is an out and out fraud.

"Not one shred of evidence has been put forth to support this story: No diplomas, no resumes, no transcripts, no memberships in professional organizations, no papers, no pages from MIT or Caltech yearbooks."

[link to www.v-j-enterprises.com]


So, if we acknowledge that he lied about his background, it is not unreasonable to assume that he lied about Area 51, since he does not, in fact, have the credentials claimed for the jobs claimed, even assuming the jobs claimed exist.

After all, you wouldn´t ask a fry cook at McDonald´s to reverse-engineer a space craft; you´d ask an engineer, right?

How the hell do you go from Stanton to Lazar lied? There is a huge leap of faith on a debunker´s part to in one hand dismiss Stanton´s work as a UFOlogist, and then use him as a source! But I still am wondering how Lazar becomes a liar because Stanton has never viewed any evidence that Lazar ever when to school. I have never seen any of your record Haz, so am I to conclude that you are an illiterate bastard?

Hes working on a Lazar Beam.
It makes his unwitting victoms think they are aerospace engineers.