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# DEBUNKING 10 Minute "Mystery Missile" Footage off Cali. Coast (Before it comes out..if it even does)

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DEBUNKING 10 Minute "Mystery Missile" Footage off Cali. Coast (Before it comes out..if it even does)
Theoretical formula for the distance of the horizon can easily be calculated using Euclidean geometry.

d = distance to the horizon = ?
h = height of the observer above sea level = 2,000ft
R = radius of the Earth = 6,378km = 3,963mi = 20,924,640ft

d = sqrtOF(h(2R+h)
d = sqrtOF(2,000(2*20,924,640)+2,000)
d = 28,9314 ft = 54.7 mi ~ 55 mi

We will get why we don't use the line of sight from the jetliner later.

Now

Suspected flight that made the unusually large contrail was U.S. Airways AWE808

Its stated that it was at cruising altitude in order to produce the contrail...so the velocity is more or less constant.

so

Speed = 450 kts = 517 mph = 8.6 mi per min
Altitude = 37,000 ft

d = distance
r = rate
t = time

d = r*t
d = 8.6*10
d = 86 mi

Now

The current explanation for the "mystery missile" off the California Coast is...

Flight U.S. Airways AWE808 from Honolulu to Phoenix was traveling directly towards the cameraman at its cruising altitude of 37,000 feet traveling at 450 kts or 517 mph and this is what produced the illusion of a missile/rocket traveling directly upwards.

This is fairly easy to debunk now...

The video images were captured by the KCBS news helicopter in L.A., where his height(h) above sea level is roughly 2,000 ft. (considering L.A. is fairly close to sea level and light/small helicopters should fly at altitudes no less than 1,000 feet AGL. For medium
helicopters, the recommended height is 2,000 feet AGL, and, for heavy/large helicopters,
4,000 ft AGL. helicopters should fly atand light/small helicopter at)
So, for the observer in L.A. the distance to the horizon = 55 mi and a flight (AWE808) traveling directly towards the observer at a constant velocity of 517 mph or 8.6 miles per minute it would've passed overhead and continued east for another 31 miles.

This was obviously not the case...

So, is the last 8 minutes or so of the video not being released because we would see this occur and find out the cameraman was intentionally reporting a bogus story?
or
because this object was unknown to the Pentagon, NORAD, NORTHCOM, and the DoD for over 2 days and still is...?
(link to altitude cruising heights of helicopters)

Finally

You do not use the "jetliners line of sight" at 37,000 because...
The most simple way I can explain this is, if you put the jetliners height(h) above sea level (about 37,000ft) into the equation you come up with about 236 mi. distance to the horizon.
Now saying that if the jetliners line of sight is in the range of the observer, the observer must be able to see it, right?
No
Here are two situation easily illustrating why...

1. If a severe storm system was moving from Austin, TX towards Dallas, TX with clouds exceeding 35,000 you would not be able to observe those storm clouds from Dallas.
Again, if you were in Columbus, OH and a severe storm was at the very westerly edge of the boarder of Ohio (which is only about 96 miles away) you cannot see this storm with your eyes.
2. Assuming you could see this airliner from 236 miles away traveling at 517 mph you would observe the airliner flying straight towards you for about 30 minutes...when was the last time you saw a commercial airliner on the horizon take roughly 30 minutes to travel directly above you?
Never, that is obviously much to long of a time.

Anyway you look at this the "10 min video" is still BS, simply because if you were to observe a commercial airliner traveling at that speed the moment it was in your line of sight at the horizon, it would surely travel a great enough distance to where you could see it was not a missile/rocket.
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Say all of that again, real slow.
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Say all of that again, real slow.
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Say all of that again, real slow.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1161669

In 10 minutes the cameraman would've been able to tell that it was just a plane and intentionally turned in just the first couple minutes pushing a bogus story for ratings...

OR

It was not a plane and they put out the "10 minute video" story so they could say, "No missile/rocket going straight up into space like an ICBM stays in view to videotape for 10 minutes...so its definitely the airliner"
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Re: DEBUNKING 10 Minute "Mystery Missile" Footage off Cali. Coast (Before it comes out..if it even does)
Please tell me how im a "shill"
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Re: DEBUNKING 10 Minute "Mystery Missile" Footage off Cali. Coast (Before it comes out..if it even does)
Please tell me how im a "shill"
Quoting: Milk.Man.

Because you are a liar your pathetic attempt to "debunk" as you call it failed before it started.
The Ex Air Force General saying planes do not con at sea level to 5000 feet has beaten you before you tried.
Do you think he might know a little more about jets and planes and missiles than you?
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Re: DEBUNKING 10 Minute "Mystery Missile" Footage off Cali. Coast (Before it comes out..if it even does)
Please tell me how im a "shill"

Because you are a liar your pathetic attempt to "debunk" as you call it failed before it started.
The Ex Air Force General saying planes do not con at sea level to 5000 feet has beaten you before you tried.
Do you think he might know a little more about jets and planes and missiles than you?
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"USAF retired General Tom McInerney - 100% Sure It Was a Missile"
This the guy you are talking about?
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Please tell me how im a "shill"

Because you are a liar your pathetic attempt to "debunk" as you call it failed before it started.
The Ex Air Force General saying planes do not con at sea level to 5000 feet has beaten you before you tried.
Do you think he might know a little more about jets and planes and missiles than you?

"USAF retired General Tom McInerney - 100% Sure It Was a Missile"
This the guy you are talking about?
Quoting: Milk.Man.

Yep off you go shill tell some more lies now.
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Re: DEBUNKING 10 Minute "Mystery Missile" Footage off Cali. Coast (Before it comes out..if it even does)
Please tell me how im a "shill"

Because you are a liar your pathetic attempt to "debunk" as you call it failed before it started.
The Ex Air Force General saying planes do not con at sea level to 5000 feet has beaten you before you tried.
Do you think he might know a little more about jets and planes and missiles than you?

"USAF retired General Tom McInerney - 100% Sure It Was a Missile"
This the guy you are talking about?
Quoting: Milk.Man.

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Please tell me how im a "shill"
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They are not showing the other part of the video, because it clearly shows the missile entering the upper atmosphere, and the contrail isn't obstructing the flame.
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Please tell me how im a "shill"

Because you are a liar your pathetic attempt to "debunk" as you call it failed before it started.
The Ex Air Force General saying planes do not con at sea level to 5000 feet has beaten you before you tried.
Do you think he might know a little more about jets and planes and missiles than you?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154135

"Thomas G. McInerney, Retired United States Air Force Lieutenant General: “That is a missile, it’s launched from a submarine… I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft...This is not an airplane because of the plume and the way you see that plume. Airplanes do not con at sea level or 5,000 feet like that."

So how the hell is this post not supporting his claim...?
Are you retarded?

This whole post is stating how their claims of videotaping the airliner for 10 minutes is total BS, and using the argument, "Since the helicopter pilot was able to videotape it for 10 minutes then it was obviously not a missile" doesn't hold water because theres no fucking way it was videotaped for 10 minutes.
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They are not showing the other part of the video, because it clearly shows the missile entering the upper atmosphere, and the contrail isn't obstructing the flame.
Quoting: Talison 1162764

This "Milk.Man" is a
Milk.Man.  (OP)

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They are not showing the other part of the video, because it clearly shows the missile entering the upper atmosphere, and the contrail isn't obstructing the flame.
Quoting: Talison 1162764

This is exactly wtf my whole post is about...im sorry it obviously went completely over some peoples heads...
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Please tell me how im a "shill"

Because you are a liar your pathetic attempt to "debunk" as you call it failed before it started.
The Ex Air Force General saying planes do not con at sea level to 5000 feet has beaten you before you tried.
Do you think he might know a little more about jets and planes and missiles than you?

"Thomas G. McInerney, Retired United States Air Force Lieutenant General: “That is a missile, it’s launched from a submarine… I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft...This is not an airplane because of the plume and the way you see that plume. Airplanes do not con at sea level or 5,000 feet like that."

So how the hell is this post not supporting his claim...?
Are you retarded?

This whole post is stating how their claims of videotaping the airliner for 10 minutes is total BS, and using the argument, "Since the helicopter pilot was able to videotape it for 10 minutes then it was obviously not a missile" doesn't hold water because theres no fucking way it was videotaped for 10 minutes.
Quoting: Milk.Man.

See here we go more lies his statements BEAT your uneducated inexperienced ass BEFORE you even started your pathetic little dis info campaign.
Back to CIA shill retard school for you son.
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They are not showing the other part of the video, because it clearly shows the missile entering the upper atmosphere, and the contrail isn't obstructing the flame.

This "Milk.Man" is a
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154135

Ok dude, you clearly need to re-read my post very slowly
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Re: DEBUNKING 10 Minute "Mystery Missile" Footage off Cali. Coast (Before it comes out..if it even does)
They are not showing the other part of the video, because it clearly shows the missile entering the upper atmosphere, and the contrail isn't obstructing the flame.

This "Milk.Man" is a

Ok dude, you clearly need to re-read my post very slowly
Quoting: Milk.Man.

Ill post it for you again

They are not showing the other part of the video, because it clearly shows the missile entering the upper atmosphere, and the contrail isn't obstructing the flame.

This is exactly wtf my whole post is about...im sorry it obviously went completely over some peoples heads...
Quoting: Milk.Man.
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OP is right and all "shill" callers should ...whatever.
OP good post.
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OP is right and all "shill" callers should ...whatever.
OP good post.
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Wow a Swedish shill probably the ones who tried to frame Assange
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OP is saying the plane theory is BS people, Jeeez
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OP is saying the plane theory is BS people, Jeeez
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THANK YOU SO MUCH
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+1000
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no wonder this site gets torn apart, those saying OP is a shill need to read his post. He is supporting the missile theory and not the plane theory???? Ok it went over my head but I picked up the main points here and there and realised this myself. The intelligence of some ppl here is astonishing. and I don't mean that in a good way
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no wonder this site gets torn apart, those saying OP is a shill need to read his post. He is supporting the missile theory and not the plane theory???? Ok it went over my head but I picked up the main points here and there and realised this myself. The intelligence of some ppl here is astonishing. and I don't mean that in a good way
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1162767

Yes, the plane theory is BS...explained by the calculations in my first post.

Last Edited by Milk.Man. on 11/13/2010 06:27 AM
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Small little blast hole in your Euclidean theorum - like they admitted to a missile launch..

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CONFIRMED: US NAVY WAS TESTING MISSILE LAUNCHES OFF THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA
« on: November 11, 2010, 02:57:51 PM »
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CONFIRMED: US NAVY WAS TESTING MISSILE LAUNCHES OFF THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA
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Source: WRH - Mike Rivero

From page 55.
"434/10(18).

EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.

1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
...

3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
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Ok, so you're saying it was a missile and not a plane...

ME TOO!!

holy hell...the fluoride is doing a wonderful job!

Last Edited by Milk.Man. on 11/13/2010 06:29 AM
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Small little blast hole in your Euclidean theorum - like they admitted to a missile launch..

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CONFIRMED: US NAVY WAS TESTING MISSILE LAUNCHES OFF THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA
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CONFIRMED: US NAVY WAS TESTING MISSILE LAUNCHES OFF THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA
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Source: WRH - Mike Rivero

From page 55.
"434/10(18).

EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.

1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
...

3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394580

From my original post...

The current explanation for the "mystery missile" off the California Coast is...

Flight U.S. Airways AWE808 from Honolulu to Phoenix was traveling directly towards the cameraman at its cruising altitude of 37,000 feet traveling at 450 kts or 517 mph and this is what produced the illusion of a missile/rocket traveling directly upwards.

This is fairly easy to debunk now...

The video images were captured by the KCBS news helicopter in L.A., where his height(h) above sea level is roughly 2,000 ft. (considering L.A. is fairly close to sea level and light/small helicopters should fly at altitudes no less than 1,000 feet AGL. For medium
helicopters, the recommended height is 2,000 feet AGL, and, for heavy/large helicopters,
4,000 ft AGL. helicopters should fly atand light/small helicopter at)
So, for the observer in L.A. the distance to the horizon = 55 mi and a flight (AWE808) traveling directly towards the observer at a constant velocity of 517 mph or 8.6 miles per minute it would've passed overhead and continued east for another 31 miles.
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