MARK OF THE BEAST RIDDLE SOLVED!----MUST READ!

The idea of a Mark, in itself, being so detrimental to one's relationship with God, makes no sense. I agree that the concept of the "Mark" would be one that involves a person's change in beliefs and ideals. After all, a Mark is just a Mark. If the "Mark" is acceptance of Islam, then it becomes far more than just a Mark and is something that one could not really fake.

There have always been a couple of things about the wording of Revelation 13:17-18 that I found interesting. First, it specifically says to "count" the number of his name. Some translations use the word "calculate" if I'm not mistaken. This to me implies that at least some kind of basic math will be required to arrive at 666. This to me implies that it can't just be a symbol that looks like 666, whether it's in English, Greek, Arabic, or whatever. There will have to be some kind of "counting" involved.

Also, when it says the number is 666, I've always taken that to mean specifically the number six hundred and sixty six. Not just three random sixes pulled from anywhere. For example, the night Obama won the election, people were calling him the antichrist because on that very night, the winning lottery numbers somewhere in the country were 6, 6, and 6. Well, those are just three individual sixes, not six hundred and sixty six. I think the mark would have to be that actual number, based on the wording of the text. Just my interpretation though, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

uuuhh,

So the antichrist is going to "force" everyone to get a spiritual mark on their "right hand" or "forhead"?

Im going to get my info from the Bible itself instead of man. And the Bible says the mark will be forced on the right hand of the forehead. If it was a spiritual mark, then it would say something different.



Do not be fooled, read the word to learn the truth.



Also, the argument about it not being practical to give the mark to all people who are in remote places is explainable in that the mark is forced upon people to conduct commerce, if those people in remote places dont contribute to commerce then they would be last on the list, but if everyone who is in the commercial world must take it to buy or sell it wouldnt take long to get them marked. The people in remote areas would be forced to take the mark at the time they need the mark to buy or sell in the world economy. So this wouldn't have to happen immediatly, the plan might be to get it done in X years or the plan may be to just wait until those people need to buy or sell something outside of their immediate village. There are many senarios to force the mark on people, it wouldn't be that difficult to accomplish.

ok....

I just don't see exactly what the 'mark' is in the 'plain language' of Revelation 14....

Revelation 14:12, tells of those who do not have the mark, because they "keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus". Thus those with the mark follow the beast not Jesus and his commandments. This can be a different Sabbath, or Christmas and Easter. These are babylonian traditions from the babylonian roman beast empire.

"Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth" (Daniel 7:23)

Ro.6:16 Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?

yes....the 'mark' is four....

all fore one:one four all

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count
the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and
his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
—Revelation 13:18


From the article.


"The first word,
“number,” is translated from the Greek word, arithmos. Arithmos may also be accurately translated as multitude (peoples and nations).

The second word, “count,” which originates from the Greek, psephizo, is also often translated as reckon, or decide.


Obviously, when this verse was originally translated it was
done so with the understanding that the original author, John, had written a number (Chi Xi Stigma) rather than a name (Arabic characters). It would then stand to reason that the translators, when choosing an equivalent for the Greek word, arithmos, would have chosen “number,” in lieu of multitude. From their perspective, the context of the verse would seem to validate this choice.

Likewise, the same reasoning would have been applied when
translating the Greek word, psephizo. The translators would have logically chosen “count,” instead of its alternate translation, decide or reckon, as it would seem to fit more with the reference to a number (Chi Xi Stigma)


In order to illustrate to what extent these translational issues can color the subtleties of a passage, we will insert the alternate translations of the original Greek words, arithmos and psephizo, into Revelation 13:18, and then compare the modified verse to the original. Below, we have two versions of verse 18. The first appears
exactly as it is found in the King James Version of the Bible:

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count
the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and
his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
—Revelation 13:18

Here, in the second version, we have replaced the words in
question with their alternate translations:

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding decide
the multitude of the beast: for it is the multitude of a man; and his multitude is “in the name of Allah.”
—Revelation 13:18 (alternate translation)

By simply replacing the key words with their equally accurate, and perhaps more appropriate, translations, the verse is transformed. The references to “the multitude of the beast.” and “the multitude of a man” clearly refer to the legions of Muslims who worship the “beast” (Islam), as well as the religion that was founded not by God, but by a “man” (Muhammed). The last line of the verse indicates that “his multitude is in the name of Allah,” further
describing the vast numbers of Muslims that worship Allah as
god."


[link to www.beastfromtheeast.org]

look at the arabic handwriting of “in the name of Allah"

and than open this link: [link to www.toxel.com]

scroll down to the Disney logo and take a good look and compair both...
there is a strange resemblance...!!



[link to www.toxel.com]

Lets just keep creating a greater division between people,hey

"Im right, your wrong, now Ill have to kill you all" is what starts wars

If there really was a god, do you seriously think it would create such a division and encourage you all to destroy each other

IF its true you would have to see the similarities, but you WONT

You lot make me HATE GOD

So I can't bring up what someone has found. This ex-muslim turns christian with a theory about translation of old Greek text that have to do with two major religions and because it might hurt someone's feelings I can't talk about it. Come on

When you live under Sharia law then you can really hate THEIR GOD.

This is the muslim's goal not mine. I don't care what you believe in, but they do. They are taught to spread globally. This subject will affect every person on this planet and their kids. If you are good with being muslim and living under Sharia law then you won't have a problem, but I am not living under that B.S. Therefor we have to expose these people for what they are and finally draw a line in the sand, along with many other lines on other evils that are affecting everyone!

Nice name for someone flying the flag.

Genesis 11:7

God speaking:


"Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."

I can't believe I am saying this, but Glen Beck had a show the other day about how this verse had to do with One World Government and it kind of made sense.

I know
I know
Glen Beck, fox news,
I know

But Islam does not fit the criteria for the 2nd beast (from out of the earth) that makes an image to the FIRST beast (that rose out of the sea) in Revelation 13.

If you devote the proper study, you can easily prove that the first beast is none other than the Roman Catholic church. The second beast (with two horns like a lamb) is the USA, which eventually speaks (makes laws) as a dragon, and causes all to worship the FIRST beast, via it's MARK.

And the Roman Catholic church refers to SUN-day observance, as it's "mark of authority". SUN-day is very much tied to sun worship, and has NOTHING to do with true Christianity. Research the history of how it was substituted for Gods Sabbath day, originally by Constantine in 321 AD, just as prophesied by Daniel, in Daniel 7:25.

Notice that in Revelation 17, the Harlot (riding and controlling the beast) is dressed in purple and scarlet, and is drunk with the blood of the saints. As you know, the RCC murdered anywhere from 50-200 million people from 538 AD, to 1798, when it received it's "deadly wound", which was healed in 1929, and the Vatican became a nation state.

The RCC, along with it's ultra subversive Jesuit Order, has been working behind the scenes ever since, to bring about their desired NWO. For those who are paying close attention, it is truly ASTOUNDING just how much control the Vatican has over the world, and the mostly "Protestant" USA.

As you can plainly see, our "government" is totally allowing the unbelievable influx of CATHOLIC third worlders to invade this country. And now, we have 6 (there's that number again) Catholic supreme court justices, and three Jews. And ZERO Protestants.

It's been known for a long time now that the popes title, "Vacarius Filii Dei" adds up to 666 in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Roman numerals. The present popew was a Hitler Brown shirt, and even the last pope, sold Zyklon B to the Nazi's. Do the research yourself. The only people denying this, are of course, Catholics, and the Catholic church.

The Nazi's were fully supported by the Vatican. Do the research. Type in the words Nazi + Catholic into your search engine. Watch the catholic Nazi connection videos. they're available on youtube, etc... Hitler, Himmler, and Jesuit trained Goebbels, and most of the major Nazi's were Catholic. All of this is EASILY researched, and historical fact.

Notice how Switzerland wasn't invaded in WW-II. Notice to this day, who guards the Vatican. The SWISS GUARD.




But, hey... if you wish to see how Islam fits into all of this, watch a video called, "The Islamic Connection". You can find it on Googlevideo.com

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth, but a sword (division)."

<The Messiah speaking>

Well maybe the "mark" is all of Islam forcing everyone to convert to Muslim?? Makes sense to me... if you don't accept their religion you die

Very interesting and much appreciated. This seems to be close to the truth.

Interesting thread OP. Have you seen/read this?

[link to ivarfjeld.wordpress.com]

huh....interesting....

not a Beck fan, but yes it does have to with with one world government....

Watching it but will take a while, over 1 hour long. Think I see the point and is interesting but will have to finish it to form opinion.

Christians promote the same 'idea', albeit your soul after you die....


and of course certain Christians have practiced the same philosophy in the past....Spanish Inquisition....


'course the original Muslims were very tolerant of other religions....Muslims were hailed as 'liberators' by the Jews of Palestine in the eighth century AD....

Read part. Think it is the same as the video above suggested by another user. Watching the vid and then read this site.

I think I know what both of you are saying or getting at and it is interesting. Will get back after read and watch video.

Shouldn't we have the short bus pulling up by now saying the Pope is the anti-Christ?

I see where the 'anti-Christ' is Jesus....

the person Jesus was before he became 'Christ' so-to-speak....

The POPE is AN anti-christ. He wants all the worship for himself. Have you not noticed how people bow before him? Kiss the ring on his finger? Why must Catholics confess their sins to him or the priests? He is but a mere human being.



Acts 14:15 "Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made heaven and earth and sea and everything in them.

At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

As Peter entered his home, Cornelius fell at his feet and worshiped him. Acts 10:25

But Peter raised him up, saying, "Stand up; I too am just a man." Acts 10:26

This is the video suggested to me earlier. If you have not seen it you might like it. I am not done with it yet, but interesting so far and goes with what you believe in.

vatican, rome, jerusaleum, christians, egyptians, cathars, jews, buddhists, muslims, etc bla bla bla, were not around, alive, invented until recent times, my guess is the mark of the beast is made up of recent and just another misinterpretation of the true old teachings/ beliefs.

There has been a period of time say 3-4000 years where modern man has grasped at new things in order to rule others or guide others under a set of guidlines / rules/ laws / etc, so things have got messy, complicated, distorted etc, go back further to the source of them all ?!
before things were written inbooks and then rewitten and interpreted to other languages and to work in changing environments, and to suit those that felt the need or desire to be seen to be better or more godlike than others, befor the ego of modern man came into the picture.

They call the pope "father" your not supposed to call anyone else "father" except our Father in heaven.

The mark to my understanding will still be putting your exercise of "free will" to the test, albeit you will either starve to death or be hunted down and killed for your belief.

Also ,the first murderer was "marked" (Cain) and sent into the wilderness.

Just my 2 cents,great post!

liking the thinking around free will, perhaps the wording mark of the beast has lost its true meaning due to translation and reinterpretation, interesting the vatican has / had a model of a gold type planet on display, wondering if they also have a secret copy of a kolbrin type book, one set of rules and teachings for the minions and one for the lords ?