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Gnosticism - an enemy of the truth?
They claim truth is embodied within their myths, for all to interpret as they wish..

"GNOSTICISM IS THE TEACHING based on Gnosis, the knowledge of transcendence arrived at by way of interior, intuitive means. Although Gnosticism thus rests on personal religious experience, it is a mistake to assume all such experience results in Gnostic recognitions. It is nearer the truth to say that Gnosticism expresses a specific religious experience, an experience that does not lend itself to the language of theology or philosophy, but which is instead closely affinitized to, and expresses itself through, the medium of myth. Indeed, one finds that most Gnostic scriptures take the forms of myths. The term “myth” should not here be taken to mean “stories that are not true”, but rather, that the truths embodied in these myths are of a different order from the dogmas of theology or the statements of philosophy."

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Gnosticim is where biblical truth is twisted into a lie such as the Catholics do to the Virgin Mary because Catholicm was founded by Simon Magus.

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No, Gnosticism is not the enemy of the Bible.

Clement of Alexandria wrote an entire book explaining Christian Gnosis, and what a Christian Gnostic is in the context of the apostolic Johannine writings.

The enemy of the New Testament Gnosis is anti-docetic, neo-Platonic Gnosticism.

The New Testament contains its own consciousness of Christian Gnosis. Apostle John wrote directly in address to the lie of Anti-docetic Gnosticism, while at the same time emphasizing Christian docetic Gnosticism sating "we know", "we know", "we know".

Modern new age, anti-docetic gnosticism is what John refers to as the Antichrist. Modern anti-docetic gnostics have set up a false dichotomy between Gnosticism and Christianity. That is not where the rub is. The issue is between docetic and anti-docetic Gnosticism.

So let's get the argument straight first of all. As a baptized believer in Jesus as the manifested Son of God, I am a docetic Gnostic. And I am not an anti-docetic Gnostic. I am a Christian, not an Antichristian.
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They claim truth is embodied within their myths, for all to interpret as they wish..

"GNOSTICISM IS THE TEACHING based on Gnosis, the knowledge of transcendence arrived at by way of interior, intuitive means. Although Gnosticism thus rests on personal religious experience, it is a mistake to assume all such experience results in Gnostic recognitions. It is nearer the truth to say that Gnosticism expresses a specific religious experience, an experience that does not lend itself to the language of theology or philosophy, but which is instead closely affinitized to, and expresses itself through, the medium of myth. Indeed, one finds that most Gnostic scriptures take the forms of myths. The term “myth” should not here be taken to mean “stories that are not true”, but rather, that the truths embodied in these myths are of a different order from the dogmas of theology or the statements of philosophy."

[link to www.gnosis.org]
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No, Gnosticism is not the enemy of the Bible.

Clement of Alexandria wrote an entire book explaining Christian Gnosis, and what a Christian Gnostic is in the context of the apostolic Johannine writings.

The enemy of the New Testament Gnosis is anti-docetic, neo-Platonic Gnosticism.

The New Testament contains its own consciousness of Christian Gnosis. Apostle John wrote directly in address to the lie of Anti-docetic Gnosticism, while at the same time emphasizing Christian docetic Gnosticism sating "we know", "we know", "we know".

Modern new age, anti-docetic gnosticism is what John refers to as the Antichrist. Modern anti-docetic gnostics have set up a false dichotomy between Gnosticism and Christianity. That is not where the rub is. The issue is between docetic and anti-docetic Gnosticism.

So let's get the argument straight first of all. As a baptized believer in Jesus as the manifested Son of God, I am a docetic Gnostic. And I am not an anti-docetic Gnostic. I am a Christian, not an Antichristian.
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Gnosticism is highly subjective?
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Gnosis is experiential knowledge, not a belief system.
Faith in Christ is not a belief, true faith is gained by experiencing the truth that lies in the practicality of following the teachings of Christ or any genuine religion for that matter, and then observing the benefits and changes within oneself.
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Gnosticism is highly subjective?
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Not the slightest, the only thing that is subjective is your mind.
Egos belong to the mind, to the adversary. All thought is subjective, and mortal (belongs to time).

Consciousness belongs to Christ, to Divinity. Consciousness is objective and infinite (outside of time), and is separate from the mind.
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Gnosis is experiential knowledge, not a belief system.
Faith in Christ is not a belief, true faith is gained by experiencing the truth that lies in the practicality of following the teachings of Christ or any genuine religion for that matter, and then observing the benefits and changes within oneself.
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Even if gnosis isn't an outright system, it nevertheless holds beliefs.
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Gnosticism is highly subjective?
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Not the slightest, the only thing that is subjective is your mind.
Egos belong to the mind, to the adversary. All thought is subjective, and mortal (belongs to time).

Consciousness belongs to Christ, to Divinity. Consciousness is objective and infinite (outside of time), and is separate from the mind.
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To me, experiential is subjective, it can lead to the truth, but isn't the truth itself.
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Thread: NOW THIS IS FUCKING EERIE... One Of The Revered Fathers Of Gnosticism said in 100 ad."ALL MATTER WILL BE DESTROYED FOR PEACE.. think CERN /Shiva
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Gnosticism is about revealing the TRUTH within the Mystery of God. Basically proving God exists. When a Mystery is solved Gods work is Revealed.
It's about KNOWING the Truth and UNDERSTANDING God.
Look for the 'One' that is to REVEAL ALL TRUTHS.
Wouldn't YOU like to KNOW the TRUTH. You've heard the Lies.
The Messenger of TRUTH is Coming Soon.

Thomas18:1
The Disciples said to Jesus...
"Tell us... How will our 'End' come?"
Jesus said..."Have you found 'The Beginning' then...
that you are looking for 'The End'?
You see... 'The End' will be... where 'The Beginning' is.
Congratulations.... to the 'One'... Who stands at 'The Beginning'...
that 'One' ... will Know 'The End' and will not taste death.

John14:15
"If you Love me, you will keep my Commandments.
And I will pray the 'Father'... and 'He' will give another Counselor to be with
You forever, even the 'Spirit of Truth'... Whom the World cannot receive.
Because... it neither sees 'Him' nor knows 'Him'.
You know 'Him'... for 'He' dwells with you and will be in you."

Luke7:27
"This is 'He' of whom it is written;
Behold I send My Messenger before your face.
'Who' will prepare your way before you?"

John16:7
"Nevertheless... I tell you the 'Truth'.
It is to 'your' advantage that 'I' go away: for if 'I' do not go away....
the 'Helper' will not come to 'you'... but if 'I' depart, 'I' will send 'Him' to 'you'.
And when 'He' comes...
'He' will convict the World of SIN... and of Righteousness... and of Judgment.
Of SIN... because they do not believe in 'ME'.
Of Righteous... because 'I' go to 'my Father' and you see me no more.
Of Judgement... because the 'Ruler' of this World... is Judged.
I still have many things to say to 'you'... but 'you' cannot bear them now.
However... when 'He'.... the 'Spirit of Truth' has come.
'He' will guide 'you' into all 'Truth'.





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"Gnosticism is about revealing the TRUTH within the Mystery of God. Basically proving God exists."

Lofty Elim, what is this truth?

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Gnosticism is highly subjective?
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Not the slightest, the only thing that is subjective is your mind.
Egos belong to the mind, to the adversary. All thought is subjective, and mortal (belongs to time).

Consciousness belongs to Christ, to Divinity. Consciousness is objective and infinite (outside of time), and is separate from the mind.
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To me, experiential is subjective, it can lead to the truth, but isn't the truth itself.
 Quoting: MrsO


That is because the mind is too dominant, and active. You need to activate and strengthen the consciousness.
The mind is completely subjective, but if we strengthen the consciousness and learn how to use it things become more and more objective.
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Gnosticism is highly subjective?
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Not the slightest, the only thing that is subjective is your mind.
Egos belong to the mind, to the adversary. All thought is subjective, and mortal (belongs to time).

Consciousness belongs to Christ, to Divinity. Consciousness is objective and infinite (outside of time), and is separate from the mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72192005


To me, experiential is subjective, it can lead to the truth, but isn't the truth itself.
 Quoting: MrsO


That is because the mind is too dominant, and active. You need to activate and strengthen the consciousness.
The mind is completely subjective, but if we strengthen the consciousness and learn how to use it things become more and more objective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75588828


If this really happens, isn't it a kind of subjective objectivity, since it is still experienced within the person?
So what is the truth that is discovered when in this objective consciousness?
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"Gnosticism is about revealing the TRUTH within the Mystery of God. Basically proving God exists."

Lofty Elim, what is this truth?
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Basically proving God Exists as 'One' of Us Today.
But who is He? Just look for someone who matches the signs to a T. That's Him.

Isaiah9:6
For unto us a child is born. Unto us a son is given.
And the government shall be upon his shoulders.
And His name shall be called... Wonderful Counsellor, the Mighty God,
the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.


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"Gnosticism is about revealing the TRUTH within the Mystery of God. Basically proving God exists."

Lofty Elim, what is this truth?
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Basically proving God Exists as 'One' of Us Today.
But who is He? Just look for someone who matches the signs to a T. That's Him.

Isaiah9:6
For unto us a child is born. Unto us a son is given.
And the government shall be upon his shoulders.
And His name shall be called... Wonderful Counsellor, the Mighty God,
the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.


[link to www.rocknrollhimbook.com]
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What are these signs?
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The Messenger will know the Truth.

Mal.3:1
"Behold... I will send 'my' Messenger...
and 'He' shall prepare the way for 'Me'.
And the Lord Ye seek... shall suddenly come to this temple.
Even the Messenger of the Covenant... Whom Ye delight in.
Behold... 'He' shall come"... saith the Lord of Hosts.

Because the Messenger is The Father of the New Christ.
Meet the New Boss same as the Old Boss.

Hebrews1:6
And Again when... 'He' bringeth in the 'Firstbegotten' into the World.
He saith, "And let all the Angels of God worship..."Him".


 Psalm33:3                              Sing unto 'Him' a 'New Song'. Play 'SKILLFULLY' with a 'LOUD NOISE'.  
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The Messenger will know the Truth.

Mal.3:1
"Behold... I will send 'my' Messenger...
and 'He' shall prepare the way for 'Me'.
And the Lord Ye seek... shall suddenly come to this temple.
Even the Messenger of the Covenant... Whom Ye delight in.
Behold... 'He' shall come"... saith the Lord of Hosts.

Because the Messenger is The Father of the New Christ.
Meet the New Boss same as the Old Boss.

Hebrews1:6
And Again when... 'He' bringeth in the 'Firstbegotten' into the World.
He saith, "And let all the Angels of God worship..."Him".


 Quoting: Lofty Elim


How will you know who the messenger is?
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What are these signs?

Ones like these.

John14:2
In my Fathers house... are many Mansions.
If it were not so... I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you.
(His father is a Carpenter)



Jerimiah31:8
Behold... I will bring Them from the North country.
(North America?)

John14:1
Thomas could not comprehend what Jesus meant when he said...
"I will come again, and take you to myself.
That where I am... YOU may be also,
and you know the Way where I am going."
(He will be with Thomas the Carpenter)

Catch the Witness, Catch the drift

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Go to [link to www.rocknrollhimbook.com] You'll find Truth there.
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What are these signs?

Ones like these.

John14:2
In my Fathers house... are many Mansions.
If it were not so... I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you.
(His father is a Carpenter)



Jerimiah31:8
Behold... I will bring Them from the North country.
(North America?)

John14:1
Thomas could not comprehend what Jesus meant when he said...
"I will come again, and take you to myself.
That where I am... YOU may be also,
and you know the Way where I am going."
(He will be with Thomas the Carpenter)

Catch the Witness, Catch the drift

 Quoting: Lofty Elim


So you're interpreting the Bible for yourself.
Just wondering how you can so sure it is the right interpretation?
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"Gnosticism is about revealing the TRUTH within the Mystery of God. Basically proving God exists."

Lofty Elim, what is this truth?
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hf


You will know Truth,because you are Truth, Bestowed as one of the Faithful's. Found Faithful. The name (Truth), sets you free, because the Mystery has been revealed within us (sanctuary).


Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place, and gave Him the name above all names,
Philippians 2:9

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As long as you serve Truth, Truth in turn will serve you.
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As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world.

For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the Truth.

I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message,…john 17:19

They may also will give birth to Truth.
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The earliest known disinformation is religius shit
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Not the slightest, the only thing that is subjective is your mind.
Egos belong to the mind, to the adversary. All thought is subjective, and mortal (belongs to time).

Consciousness belongs to Christ, to Divinity. Consciousness is objective and infinite (outside of time), and is separate from the mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72192005


To me, experiential is subjective, it can lead to the truth, but isn't the truth itself.
 Quoting: MrsO


That is because the mind is too dominant, and active. You need to activate and strengthen the consciousness.
The mind is completely subjective, but if we strengthen the consciousness and learn how to use it things become more and more objective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75588828


If this really happens, isn't it a kind of subjective objectivity, since it is still experienced within the person?
So what is the truth that is discovered when in this objective consciousness?
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Sure, if the point of observation is not 100 percent clear vision (clairvoyant). If the point of observation or perception is clear from the mind and any ego then it is 100% objective.
This is the meaning of "we are all ONE, in truth".
The truth discovered from this state of consciousness is that nothing else is real.
The truth is knowledge itself, of 'the self ',and 'God' or 'truth'.
The full truth is not transferable by words, only experience.
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"Gnosticism is about revealing the TRUTH within the Mystery of God. Basically proving God exists."

Lofty Elim, what is this truth?
 Quoting: MrsO


hf


You will know Truth,because you are Truth, Bestowed as one of the Faithful's. Found Faithful. The name (Truth), sets you free, because the Mystery has been revealed within us (sanctuary).


Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place, and gave Him the name above all names,
Philippians 2:9

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I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're saying, but I do agree that we all have the seed of knowing the truth within us, of longing for God, but it is all to easy to bury.
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To me, experiential is subjective, it can lead to the truth, but isn't the truth itself.
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That is because the mind is too dominant, and active. You need to activate and strengthen the consciousness.
The mind is completely subjective, but if we strengthen the consciousness and learn how to use it things become more and more objective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75588828


If this really happens, isn't it a kind of subjective objectivity, since it is still experienced within the person?
So what is the truth that is discovered when in this objective consciousness?
 Quoting: MrsO


Sure, if the point of observation is not 100 percent clear vision (clairvoyant). If the point of observation or perception is clear from the mind and any ego then it is 100% objective.
This is the meaning of "we are all ONE, in truth".
The truth discovered from this state of consciousness is that nothing else is real.
The truth is knowledge itself, of 'the self ',and 'God' or 'truth'.
The full truth is not transferable by words, only experience.
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Clear vision, and clairvoyance, I don't know, it sounds dubious, I'm sorry.
The truth to be found separated from the ego and the mind isn't the same truth as what has been intellectually grasped, but if the experience isn't interpreted by the mind, did it even really exist?

What knowledge of God have you gained?
I have both experiences which can be called 'supernatural' and are deeply moving. I also have the knowledge given me by Jesus through his church, for me trying to stick to just the experiential would make my spiritual life very impoverished.
Truth would remain a flotsam and jetsam thing, able to shape shift, which I don't believe is the case.

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Lofty Elim, I can't reply to pm's since I can't afford to pay for membership atm, but if you post it here, I'll reply.





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